• Re: iPhone 15 may have satellite messaging capabilities (maybe even iPh

    From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to sms on Tue Apr 26 20:15:04 2022
    sms wrote:

    The expectation is that the 5G modem that Apple is developing will allow
    for GPS tracking, as well as messaging (not calls) using the Globalstar satellite network, similar to the SPOT devices <https://www.findmespot.com/en-us/>.

    This will be an _adult_ discussion, which, of course, iKooks won't
    understand as they are here merely to defend Apple - no matter what.

    First off, if someone posts a URL, I read it (and understand it) given I am well educated enough to easily & openly admit I'm ignorant of satellite tech
    as it applies to people using them for personal communication purposes.

    Skimming that web page <https://www.findmespot.com/en-us/>, it appears to be
    a product line catering, based on the marketing images & wording, to fear.

    Nothing wrong with catering to fear - Apple does it all the time - but
    that's what it appears to be catering to. Basically you buy the device, and
    you subscribe to the service, and all your fears instantly go away.

    The money is in the subscription, of course, where their cheapest plan is:
    BASIC = $11.95/MO. 12 Month Term Applies
    Messages = 20 CUSTOM MESSAGES (is that per year or per month or what?)
    Overages = 25¢ per msg
    S.O.S. = UNLIMITED
    CHECK IN MESSAGES = UNLIMITED
    PREDEFINED MESSAGES = UNLIMITED
    TRACKING = 10, 30, 60 minutes
    Tracking will have to be reset after 24-hours.
    MOVEMENT ALERT = Not Included
    ACTIVATION FEE = $29.95

    The ADVANCED plan ($20/month) & UNLIMITED plan ($30/month) differ mostly on
    the number of "custom messages" and halved tracking peruids and the addition
    of movement alerts.

    Hence, in ten years, with the lowest plan to allay your fears, it will cost
    you the device cost plus the activation plus at least $1,500 to allay fears.

    This was originally rumored for the iPhone 13 but did not materialize.
    It could even be in the iPhone 14, using a discrete chip. <https://www.nextpit.com/iphone-14-satellite-connectivity-emergency>.

    Again, if someone posts a URL, I will at least skim it, where I looked at
    *iPhone 14 could feature unique satellite connectivity for emergency
    alerts*
    <https://www.nextpit.com/iphone-14-satellite-connectivity-emergency>

    How much are your fears worth to you is what they seem to advertise
    (much like Apple does, by the way).

    The _adult_ concept here (which iKooks can't comprehend) is that, as
    expected, the "rumored service" would be designed to allay fears:
    "This feature will be used in sending emergency alerts
    and notifications to and from authorities"

    Any _adult_ could have predicted years ahead of time that Apple would be designing such a service to be sold to the most fearful people out there,
    and the article Steve points to alludes to that very observation indeed:
    "Apple will utilize satellite networks of Globalstar around the globe
    to send emergency alerts to authorities directly from your iPhone 14
    or Apple Watch Series 8. Your device would be able to send the user's
    remote locations to responders"

    Notice the important fact that the rumored service is simply a collection of existing hardware (both on the ground and in orbit) and a subscription to
    it, where the integration into the phone would most likely be using the existing circuitry which is _already_ in the aforementioned product line.

    In essence, it's a clever marketing move.
    It's all marketing and almost zero new R&D.
    And, it markets to people who are filled to the brim with fear.

    If it happens, of course.
    But there's really no barrier since globalstar already did the work (IMHO) although it may work differently than existing globalstar products (and the satellite workload could vastly increase if billions of iPhones start using them).

    All Apple needs to do, IMHO, is the (admittedly stellar) marketing.

    See <https://connectivitybusiness.com/news/ma-investments/globalstar-annual-report-provides-clues-that-key-client-is-apple/>.

    Yet another URL to skim and summarize for the _adults_ here to discuss.
    *Globalstar annual report provides clues that key client is Apple*

    <https://connectivitybusiness.com/news/ma-investments/globalstar-annual-report-provides-clues-that-key-client-is-apple/>.
    "Louisiana-based Globalstar (NYSE American: GSAT) has signed a
    $327 million terms agreement with a ´potential customer¡
    to launch 17 satellites. The unnamed counterparty to the terms agreement
    will reimburse 95% of capital expenditures as well as certain other costs"

    I guess Steve's insinuation is that Apple is that "unnamed" party.

    This capability would be a game changer for many users. Just last
    weekend my daughter was backpacking in Henry Coe State Park in
    southeastern Santa Clara County and someone in another group of
    backpackers was bitten by a rattlesnake.

    I hike in the Santa Cruz mountains all the time. A rattlesnake is something
    you just deal with (just like you would with a broken leg or a black widow spider, or a mountain lion, or just running out of cell phone signal).

    Cell phone coverage is spotty
    deep in the park, with no coverage on T-Mobile...

    Now how did I _know_ that line was coming up next when you sell fear?

    Note to adults: Steve is a consummate politician. He sells fear.
    He can't sell facts. But he _loves_ to sell fear.

    All his maps are doctored. And they never show their source.
    Just like all good consummate politicians would do.

    some limited coverage on
    AT&T, and more, but still limited coverage on Verizon (see <https://i.imgur.com/vpgVTEJ.png>).

    Now how did I _know_ that was coming up next when you point to highly
    doctored maps, which themselves are designed by you to sow fear?

    Someone in a Boy Scout group had a
    satellite device and they were able to summon help and a helicopter
    arrived to evacuate the victim.

    Whew. Thank God. You are consistent with your fear-based politics.

    I was beginning to wonder if you were gonna claim that the president of
    Verizon was in the group, thank God, and that's what saved his life.


    Decades ago I was backpacking east of Yosemite National Park (Lake
    Helen) and a small plane crashed in a box canyon about 200 meters from
    where we were camping. We rushed over and the pilot and passenger were
    shaken but had only minor injuries. Someone in our group ran out to get
    a ranger and they brought in a helicopter. Satellite capability would
    have been nice to have (no cell phones at that time either).

    I wonder if you (or the iKooks) realize all your messages are based on fear?
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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Apr 26 20:14:15 2022
    nospam wrote:

    It could even be in the iPhone 14, using a discrete chip.

    but you just said it was part of the 5g modem...

    Note this discussion is too adult for iKooks to even begin to understand.
    Below is simple basic adult sensible logic given the facts as we know them.

    FACTS: (yes, I know... all iKooks _hate_ well-known facts about Apple)

    1. *Apple has never designed & delivered a 5G modem IC* in its history
    2. *Apple has never even integrated* an existing 5G modem into an SOC
    3. *Apple is _many_ generations _behind_* those who do design & integrate
    4. *Apple is a marketing powerhouse* (there's likely nobody better!)

    Assessment:

    A. Apple will be leagues _behind_ if they ever do deliver a 5G modem IC
    B. However.... *Apple is a marketing powerhouse* par excellence indeed
    C. So Apple will find a way to _advertise_ that they did (somehow)

    The way Apple will pretend to have done it will be either completely meaningless advertising (as is with *TSMC Silicon*!!!!!!!!!! Woo hoo. Not).

    Or, more likely, Apple marketing will _bundle_ something (anything!) into
    their first 5G modem IC implementation such that Apple can spuriously claim
    to be the only ones who have that particular feature (whatever it may be).

    Is that feature related to satellite radios?
    Dunno.

    Does Apple have any history of designing such chips?
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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Lewis on Tue Apr 26 22:07:55 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Lewis wrote:

    satellite messaging is independent of 5g. how anyone could confuse the
    two is baffling.

    And Globalstar is not a GPS system at all.

    While I was completely ignorant of what Globalstar offers prior to this
    thread, based on what I read from Steve's links, Lewis appears to be wrong.

    Again... this discussion below is an _adult_ discussion, where I don't
    expect these uneducated low-IQ iKooks to comprehend a single sentence.

    What's this? <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalstar>
    "The SPOT Messenger is manufactured by Globalstar partner Axonn LLC
    and combines the company's simplex data technology with a Nemerix
    GPS chipset."

    And these? <https://www.telonics.com/products/gps4/gps-globalstar.php>
    "These collars collect GPS positions and transfer the data
    to the user through the Globalstar satellite system."

    And what about this iOS app?
    *Spot My Globalstar* by Globalstar Inc., rated 4+
    <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/spot-my-globalstar/id1468729486>
    "SPOT My Globalstar provides location-based enterprise solutions
    with a tailored array of Globalstar GPS tracking devices.
    Managers can interact with all devices and operators from a single,
    centralized, cloud-based platform that provides live or historical
    tracking of personnel, vehicles, and assets on-demand."

    Knowing Apple isn't an R&D powerhouse, but that Apple plays to people's
    fears, and given Apple's inept design history in 5G modem ICs, I suspect
    what Apple "might" do is make a big deal that they'll make you "feel safe".

    Just like Apple makes a big deal out of nothing, what with pretending to fab their own ICs which only iKooks believe they do), instead of spending all
    those advertising dollars on actually designing a competitive IC, what Apple may do is what Apple always does.

    Apple may come up with an ingeniously clever way for the iPhone to bilk
    people out of their money with an endless subscription that makes them "feel safe" by having their coordinates sent by way of SOS to local authorities.

    But how?

    I suspect Apple can simply cobble together something like this in an iPhone:
    <https://globafone.com/products/globalstar-for-sale/gsp-1700/>
    "Powered 100% by Globalstar's Satellite Network, users can make
    and receive phone calls, retrieve GPS location, and dial out directly
    to emergency services with locally based phone numbers."

    Their cheapest plan is $80/month for the rest of your life, which, for the typical Apple customer who is driven nearly insane by fear, is perfect!
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    Apple won't spend anything on R&D when marketing has so much better return.

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