Do you want examples?
Try this for just one:
Hilarious Snit video purportedly detailing iOS showing Wi-Fi over time <https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> iKooks can't even see the fatal flaw!
'How to check Wi-Fi signal strength on an iPhone
Install the AirPort Utility from the App Store.
Open the Settings app and scroll down until you see Airport Utility. Tap
on it, then tap Wi-Fi Scanner to enable this feature.
How to check Wi-Fi signal strength
Now run AirPort Utility and you should see a blue Wi-Fi scan option at
the top-right. Tap Scan and you’ll see all the Wi-Fi networks in range
of your iPhone.
How to check Wi-Fi signal strength
As continuous scan is the default, the values will change over time. You
can adjust the Scan Duration slider so the results only update for the
period you set.
Look at the RSSI value of your own network (which may not be top of the
list) and check the value.'
<https://www.techadvisor.com/how-to/network-wifi/check-wi-fi-signal-strength-3803538/>
So that's built-in.
So that's built-in.
Works great.
On 2022-03-17 15:18:04 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
So that's built-in.
Works great.
How did you get running graphs for each nearby ap?
On 2022-03-16, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
'How to check Wi-Fi signal strength on an iPhone
Install the AirPort Utility from the App Store.
Open the Settings app and scroll down until you see Airport Utility. Tap
on it, then tap Wi-Fi Scanner to enable this feature.
How to check Wi-Fi signal strength
Now run AirPort Utility and you should see a blue Wi-Fi scan option at
the top-right. Tap Scan and you???ll see all the Wi-Fi networks in range
of your iPhone.
How to check Wi-Fi signal strength
As continuous scan is the default, the values will change over time. You can adjust the Scan Duration slider so the results only update for the period you set.
Look at the RSSI value of your own network (which may not be top of the list) and check the value.'
<https://www.techadvisor.com/how-to/network-wifi/check-wi-fi-signal-strength-3803538/>
So that's built-in.
Works great.
So that's built-in.
Works great.
How did you get running graphs for each nearby ap?
I think that's only in Android.
<https://www.techadvisor.com/how-to/network-wifi/check-wi-fi-signal-strength-3803538/>
So that's built-in.
What is infuriating is that apps for graphical representation of signal strength used to be available on the Apple App store but were removed
for some unknown reason. Even the Jailbreak tweaks are no longer
available
I detail this in #107a in the document
On 2022-03-18 21:28:32 +0000, Ant said:
So that's built-in.
Works great.
How did you get running graphs for each nearby ap?
I think that's only in Android.
How did the first two posters get the running graphs in iOS then?
On 2022-03-19 15:00:32 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
So that's built-in.
Works great.
How did you get running graphs for each nearby ap?
I think that's only in Android.
How did the first two posters get the running graphs in iOS then?
You mean with Wi-Fi Sweetspots?:
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wi-fi-sweetspots/id855457383?uo=4&at=11l6hc&app=itunes&ct=fnd>
Where's the running graph?
So that's built-in.
Works great.
How did you get running graphs for each nearby ap?
I think that's only in Android.
How did the first two posters get the running graphs in iOS then?
You mean with Wi-Fi Sweetspots?:
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wi-fi-sweetspots/id855457383?uo=4&at=11l6hc&app=itunes&ct=fnd>
'How to check Wi-Fi signal strength on an iPhone
Install the AirPort Utility from the App Store.
Open the Settings app and scroll down until you see Airport Utility. Tap >>> on it, then tap Wi-Fi Scanner to enable this feature.
How to check Wi-Fi signal strength
Now run AirPort Utility and you should see a blue Wi-Fi scan option at
the top-right. Tap Scan and you???ll see all the Wi-Fi networks in range >>> of your iPhone.
How to check Wi-Fi signal strength
As continuous scan is the default, the values will change over time. You >>> can adjust the Scan Duration slider so the results only update for the
period you set.
Look at the RSSI value of your own network (which may not be top of the
list) and check the value.'
<https://www.techadvisor.com/how-to/network-wifi/check-wi-fi-signal-strength-3803538/>
So that's built-in.
Works great.
Ditto even when Airport isn't needed.
It would be nice if there was one
for cellular since iPhone's Field Test Mode doesn't update in real time
in newer iOS versions. :(
the reasons are well known (apis changed) and the demand is
insufficient to bother writing new ones. this is particularly true with modern wifi base stations that can auto-configure themselves in a mesh configuration (or even solo).
that said, there's nothing preventing anyone from writing a super-fancy graphical display, other than there's no return on investment, making
it not particularly attractive.
On 2022-03-19 15:00:32 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
So that's built-in.
Works great.
How did you get running graphs for each nearby ap?
I think that's only in Android.
How did the first two posters get the running graphs in iOS then?
You mean with Wi-Fi Sweetspots?:
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wi-fi-sweetspots/id855457383?uo=4&at=11l6hc&app=itunes&ct=fnd>
Where's the running graph?
Where's the running graph?
The first and second screenshots show a running graph. It's also shown
in the video Arlen posted:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QaABa6DFIo&feature=youtu.be>
Does anyone else (like nospam maybe?) confirm what you are saying?
<https://www.techadvisor.com/how-to/network-wifi/check-wi-fi-signal-strength-3803538/>
So that's built-in.
If someone really needs to be configuring Wi-Fi networks for optimal performance (and few people have that need)
then they can just buy a
cheap Android device that supports ac, n, g, a, and b, and use the
Wi-Fi Analyzer App.
that video does show a running graph, however, it's not signal
strength.
Correct - it's throughput (bandwidth), but it's a running graph and as
you walk around your house, you cam see how it changes according to your distance from the router.
it's very easy for an app to show a graph of whatever data source it
wants, moving or static.
Of course.
The fuck? I downloaded Wi-Fi Sweetspots years ago and can confirm that
it shows a running graph from first-hand experience.
And so could you if
you othered to install the app yourself.
You don't need other people to
tell you anything about the app. It's a free app you can install in a
few seconds and run yourself.
On 2022-03-20 10:50:30 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
that video does show a running graph, however, it's not signal
strength.
Correct - it's throughput (bandwidth), but it's a running graph and
as you walk around your house, you cam see how it changes according
to your distance from the router.
Why did you say it showed a wifi signal strength graph if it didn't do
that?
it's very easy for an app to show a graph of whatever data source it
wants, moving or static.
Of course.
What app?
On 2022-03-20 07:48:59 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
The fuck? I downloaded Wi-Fi Sweetspots years ago and can confirm
that it shows a running graph from first-hand experience.
Why did you say it showed wifi signal strength when nospam said it
didn't?
And so could you if you othered to install the app yourself. You
don't need other people to tell you anything about the app. It's a
free app you can install in a few seconds and run yourself.
I read what the app does and the app doesn't do what you said it did.
supply and demand. developers have better and more lucrative things to
do than write an app few people need.
then they can just buy a
cheap Android device that supports ac, n, g, a, and b, and use the
Wi-Fi Analyzer App.
no need, since modern wifi access points self-configure themselves, in particular, the mesh units.
Why did you say it showed a wifi signal strength graph if it didn't do
that?
The real question is why you are claiming I said something I never said,
when anyone here can easily go back and look to see I never claimed the
app showed a signal strength graph? Stop with the lies, please.
it's very easy for an app to show a graph of whatever data source it
wants, moving or static.
Of course.
What app?
The WiFi Sweetspots app mentioned several times in this thread by others before I reminded you of it seems to show a graph of what it wants quite easily. It just happens to be a graph of network throughput rather than
raw signal strength, which I happen to think is just as (if not more)
useful.
Why did you say it showed wifi signal strength when nospam said it
didn't?
No, I didn't say that. You asked where people in this thread were
showing running graphs, and I pointed out the app that was showing
running graphs.
shows a running graph of network throughput as opposed to signal
strength afterward.
And so could you if you othered to install the app yourself. You
don't need other people to tell you anything about the app. It's a
free app you can install in a few seconds and run yourself.
I read what the app does and the app doesn't do what you said it did.
You must be confusing me with someone else, because I never said it
showed signal strength.
If it's "very easy for an app to show a graph of whatever data source it wants" then what app shows a running graph of ap's wifi signal strength?
On 2022-03-20 14:07:58 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
Why did you say it showed wifi signal strength when nospam said it
didn't?
No, I didn't say that. You asked where people in this thread were
showing running graphs, and I pointed out the app that was showing
running graphs.
Your running graph
shows a running graph of network throughput as opposed to signal
strength afterward.
Your running graph
And so could you if you othered to install the app yourself. You
don't need other people to tell you anything about the app. It's a
free app you can install in a few seconds and run yourself.
I read what the app does and the app doesn't do what you said it
did.
You must be confusing me with someone else, because I never said it
showed signal strength.
Your running graph
On 2022-03-20 14:12:46 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
Why did you say it showed a wifi signal strength graph if it didn't
do that?
The real question is why you are claiming I said something I never
said, when anyone here can easily go back and look to see I never
claimed the app showed a signal strength graph? Stop with the lies,
please.
Your running graph
was no more related to wifi signal strength
than a running graph of the iPhone storage capacity would have been.
On 2022-03-20 14:07:58 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
Why did you say it showed wifi signal strength when nospam said it
didn't?
No, I didn't say that. You asked where people in this thread were
showing running graphs, and I pointed out the app that was showing
running graphs.
Your running graph was no more related to wifi signal strength than a
running graph of the iPhone accelerometer values would have been.
shows a running graph of network throughput as opposed to signal
strength afterward.
Your running graph was no more related to wifi signal strength than a
running graph of the battery charge capacity would have been.
And so could you if you othered to install the app yourself. You
don't need other people to tell you anything about the app. It's a
free app you can install in a few seconds and run yourself.
I read what the app does and the app doesn't do what you said it did.
You must be confusing me with someone else, because I never said it
showed signal strength.
Your running graph was no more related to wifi signal strength than a
running graph of the temperature of the iPhone would have been.
On 2022-03-20, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
On 2022-03-20 14:07:58 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
Why did you say it showed wifi signal strength when nospam said it
didn't?
No, I didn't say that. You asked where people in this thread were
showing running graphs, and I pointed out the app that was showing
running graphs.
Your running graph
As I pointed out in my very first post about it, the graph is from an
app that was previously mentioned in this thread and is not written by
me and is no way "mine". Sorry if you are easily confused, but that's
the truth..
shows a running graph of network throughput as opposed to signal
strength afterward.
Your running graph
It ain't mine, and it was previously mentioned by someone else in the
thread - not me.
And so could you if you othered to install the app yourself. You
don't need other people to tell you anything about the app. It's a
free app you can install in a few seconds and run yourself.
I read what the app does and the app doesn't do what you said it
did.
You must be confusing me with someone else, because I never said it
showed signal strength.
Your running graph
*YAWN*
You're just trolling at this point. Boring. Feel free to continue on
your own. I'm sure you'll gleefully throw a petty, little Last Word
party in my honor, and you should definitely do whatever makes you feel better. Laterz.
On 2022-03-20, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
On 2022-03-20 14:12:46 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
Why did you say it showed a wifi signal strength graph if it didn't
do that?
The real question is why you are claiming I said something I never
said, when anyone here can easily go back and look to see I never
claimed the app showed a signal strength graph? Stop with the lies,
please.
Your running graph
It ain't mine, nor was I the first to mention it in this thread, bone
head.
was no more related to wifi signal strength
As nospam mentioned, throughput is definitely correlated to signal
strength.
than a running graph of the iPhone storage capacity would have been.
It's definitely more related than that. You're not too bright, are you?
On Mar 20, 2022 at 4:47:53 PM PDT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-20, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
On 2022-03-20 14:07:58 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
Why did you say it showed wifi signal strength when nospam said it
didn't?
No, I didn't say that. You asked where people in this thread were
showing running graphs, and I pointed out the app that was showing
running graphs.
Your running graph
As I pointed out in my very first post about it, the graph is from an
app that was previously mentioned in this thread and is not written by
me and is no way "mine". Sorry if you are easily confused, but that's
the truth..
shows a running graph of network throughput as opposed to signal
strength afterward.
Your running graph
It ain't mine, and it was previously mentioned by someone else in the
thread - not me.
And so could you if you othered to install the app yourself. You
don't need other people to tell you anything about the app. It's a >>>>>> free app you can install in a few seconds and run yourself.
I read what the app does and the app doesn't do what you said it
did.
You must be confusing me with someone else, because I never said it
showed signal strength.
Your running graph
*YAWN*
You're just trolling at this point. Boring. Feel free to continue on
your own. I'm sure you'll gleefully throw a petty, little Last Word
party in my honor, and you should definitely do whatever makes you feel
better. Laterz.
Yes, trolling under a false ID. What a dipshit.
On 2022-03-21, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
Yes, trolling under a false ID. What a dipshit.
The writing style has "Arlen" written all over it.
Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2022-03-16, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
'How to check Wi-Fi signal strength on an iPhone
Install the AirPort Utility from the App Store.
Open the Settings app and scroll down until you see Airport Utility.
Tap on it, then tap Wi-Fi Scanner to enable this feature.
How to check Wi-Fi signal strength
Now run AirPort Utility and you should see a blue Wi-Fi scan option
at the top-right. Tap Scan and you�ll see all the Wi-Fi networks in
range of your iPhone.
How to check Wi-Fi signal strength
As continuous scan is the default, the values will change over time.
You can adjust the Scan Duration slider so the results only update
for the period you set.
Look at the RSSI value of your own network (which may not be top of
the list) and check the value.'
<https://www.techadvisor.com/how-to/network-wifi/check-wi-fi-signal-strength-3803538/>
So that's built-in.
Works great.
On the original topic of wifi scanners, it's telling that the dumbest iOS iKooks (Snit, Alan Baker & Jolly Roger) _still_ don't know the difference between a megabit and a decibel (even after all these years).
On 2022-03-16, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
'How to check Wi-Fi signal strength on an iPhone
Install the AirPort Utility from the App Store.
Open the Settings app and scroll down until you see Airport Utility. Tap
on it, then tap Wi-Fi Scanner to enable this feature.
How to check Wi-Fi signal strength
Now run AirPort Utility and you should see a blue Wi-Fi scan option at
the top-right. Tap Scan and you¢ll see all the Wi-Fi networks in range
of your iPhone.
How to check Wi-Fi signal strength
As continuous scan is the default, the values will change over time. You
can adjust the Scan Duration slider so the results only update for the
period you set.
Look at the RSSI value of your own network (which may not be top of the
list) and check the value.'
<https://www.techadvisor.com/how-to/network-wifi/check-wi-fi-signal-strength-3803538/>
So that's built-in.
Works great.
If it's "very easy for an app to show a graph of whatever data source it
wants" then what app shows a running graph of ap's wifi signal strength?
the usual trolls have claimed that such an app is impossible on ios
because apple prohibits it. that claim is false.
On 2022-03-20, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
On 2022-03-20 10:50:30 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
that video does show a running graph, however, it's not signal
strength.
Correct - it's throughput (bandwidth), but it's a running graph and
as you walk around your house, you cam see how it changes according
to your distance from the router.
Why did you say it showed a wifi signal strength graph if it didn't do
that?
The real question is why you are claiming I said something I never said,
when anyone here can easily go back and look to see I never claimed the
app showed a signal strength graph? Stop with the lies, please.
it's very easy for an app to show a graph of whatever data source it
wants, moving or static.
Of course.
What app?
The WiFi Sweetspots app mentioned several times in this thread by others before I reminded you of it seems to show a graph of what it wants quite easily. It just happens to be a graph of network throughput rather than
raw signal strength, which I happen to think is just as (if not more)
useful.
On the original topic of wifi scanners, it's telling that the dumbest iOS iKooks (Snit, Alan Baker & Jolly Roger) _still_ don't know the difference between a megabit and a decibel (even after all these years).
We do know that megabits per second is the actual metric that matters...
We do know that megabits per second is the actual metric that matters...
Mb/s is not the proper metric to use when you're setting up a Wi-Fi
network in large facility like a hotel, convention center, airport,
big-box store, etc., or even a house.
Someone with a big house (or with a large lot if the want outdoor Wi-Fi coverage) may want to use a Wi-Fi analyzer app in order to best
position, and to minimize the number of wireless routers needed to cover
the property.
We do know that megabits per second is the actual metric that matters...
not necessarily. it depends what the goal is.
but there isn't a need to manually scan and measure anything since
modern wifi access points can auto-configure, notably mesh units, doing
a much better job than humans can because they can continually adapt as conditions change, such as a new neighbor adding a new access point.
Mb/s is not the proper metric to use when you're setting up a Wi-Fi
network in large facility like a hotel, convention center, airport,
big-box store, etc., or even a house.
anyone doing that won't be using a phone. they'll have professional equipment, or they'll use modern hardware that auto-configures.
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