Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared entirely.
Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has died.
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has died.I would say that’s because no one cares about Macs or Windows PCs anymore. That is last century’s debate.
Hop over to comp.mobile.ipad or misc.phone.mobile.iphone, etc. LOTS of serious “advocacy” going on there.
...
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything here. Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost trolls. Why so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts on that subject.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared entirely.
Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has died.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, but what's the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the approach that if you are not going to vaccinate then good luck with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity from Pfizer et al or COVID, your choice. End of story.
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta spreads, but still are going to outdoor events as often as possible.
We now have several close relatives who have acquired immunity via COVID since vaccines came out. None were vaccinated and none have had severe
cases or died. My in-laws had an elderly anti-vax friend die from COVID a few months ago. Now two more like him from that same church group are in the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known breakthrough cases in
our circle of friends and relatives.
Finally, a rainy day with nothing on the calendar. Well, there was a
Mission Pilot checkride to give at noon, but that's scrubbed by said
rainy weather. It required good VFR.
So, here we go.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything here.
Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost trolls. Why
so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts on that
subject.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared entirely.
Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has died.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, but what's
the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the approach that if
you are not going to vaccinate then good luck with COVID, and in too
many cases, adios. Get immunity from Pfizer et al or COVID, your
choice. End of story.
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta spreads, but
still are going to outdoor events as often as possible. We now have
several close relatives who have acquired immunity via COVID since
vaccines came out. None were vaccinated and none have had severe
cases or died. My in-laws had an elderly anti-vax friend die from
COVID a few months ago. Now two more like him from that same church
group are in the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known breakthrough cases in our circle of friends and relatives.
The indoor symphony season has started. Proof of vaccination is
required for attendance. The opening gala is Friday, and we will be
there!
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E.
wrote:
...Not too much Apple-centric news for the trolls to troll with.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything here.
Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost trolls.
Why so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts on thatI've been quite busy on all fronts, despite no vacations. Just not
subject.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared
entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has died.
stuff that's been all that Mac-centric newsworthy.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, butPretty much, although there's more to that narrative from a
what's the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the
approach that if you are not going to vaccinate then good luck
with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity from
Pfizer et al or COVID, your choice. End of story.
political slant. What's upsetting the Red's narratives has been
that the south has been clobbered so bad with Delta that their
all-time per capita mortality rates have been overtaking spots long
held by the Northeast which got hit very early. For example,
Mississippi passed NJ in total per capita deaths last week.
The ramifications of this has been that those partisan attempts
that tried to claim that shutdowns/masking/etc were unnecessary are
coming home to roost in the morgues of the MAGA South.
Naturally, the latest spin that's underway is to try to downplay
deaths per capita as a valid metric, despite how these same parties
used it for months against blindsided Blue States such as NJ (who
just relinquished the #1 spot to MS).
The fly in that ointment is that the alternatives are even worse
for their narrative, for when one re-baselines to deaths per capita
after general vaccine availability (call it 1 March 2021 to
present), these Red MAGA States are revealing themselves to be even
worse off, and very clearly doing a very poor job managing the
risks for their citizens.
Case in point, CoVid-19 mortality by State on a Per-Capita basis,
even using the massaged data from States who are trying to
underreport:
State - All-Time --> just those since 3/1/21:
MS 3,115 --> 844 (27% of all deaths have been since 1 March 2021)
NJ 3,061 --> 442 LA 2,886 --> 819 NY 2,850 --> 390 AL 2,694 -->
670 MA 2,676 --> 337 RI 2,654 --> 292 AR 2,467 --> 734 SD 2,374 -->
240 CT 2,369 --> 231 FL 2,366 --> 929 GA 2,315 --> 687 ... TX 2,155
635 ... KY 1,847 --> 677
Taking the above and re-ranking by highest per cap mortality since
vaccine availability, the top "10" are:
FL 929 --> 40% of all deaths are since 1 March 2021 MS 844 --> 27%
LA 819 --> 28% AR 734 --> 30% GA 687 --> 30% KY 677 --> 37% AL 670
25% TX 635 --> 30% NV 613 --> 30% SC 605 --> 27%
For completeness, here's all the rest:
MI 549 OK 548 DE 511 WV 508 MO 496 MT 486 AZ 484 NM 457 NJ 442 -->
FYI, just 14% were since 3/1/21 VA 436 TN 431 WY 427 NC 419 ID 418
CA 390 NY 390 --> also just 14% KS 383 PA 376 IN 373 OH 357 IL 350
MA 337 --> 13% OR 323 MD 319 CO 303 IA 295 WA 294 RI 292 --> 11% MN
270 UT 266 SD 240 CT 231 --> 10% DC 213 NH 211 ME 209 WI 206 HI
194 ND 185 AK 174 VT 151 NE 149
We're choosing to skip larger (crowded) outdoor events. We had
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta spreads,
but still are going to outdoor events as often as possible.
tickets for an indoor event this past weekend that we skipped on,
as I'm in self-imposed quarantine having just been out to Texas
last week on business.
We now have several close relatives who have acquired immunityWe have friends who've come down with CoVid for now a *third* time
via COVID since vaccines came out. None were vaccinated and none
have had severe cases or died. My in-laws had an elderly anti-vax
friend die from COVID a few months ago. Now two more like him
from that same church group are in the hospital today with
serious cases. So far no known breakthrough cases in our circle
of friends and relatives.
.. and yes, they did get vaccinated (between case #2 and #3)., so
it counts as a breakthrough .
Plus I've had a manager die last month of it. And a neighbor's
older brother (50s) too.
-hh
I have a different take. The Red states have high percentage of
population who have chosen by their own free will to ignore science
and overwhelming statistics. Government cannot continue to coddle
those who will not help themselves. I have no sympathy for the
unvaccinated who get sick and die. If they get COVID after
vaccination at least they tried to do something to protect themselves
and their families.
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
...
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything here. Over thatNot too much Apple-centric news for the trolls to troll with.
month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost trolls. Why so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts on that subject.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has died.I've been quite busy on all fronts, despite no vacations. Just not stuff that's been all that Mac-centric newsworthy.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, but what's the use?Pretty much, although there's more to that narrative from a political slant. What's upsetting the Red's narratives has been that the south has been clobbered so bad with Delta that their all-time per capita mortality rates have been overtaking spots long held by the Northeast which got hit very early. For example, Mississippi passed NJ in total per capita deaths last week.
Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the approach that if you are not going
to vaccinate then good luck with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity from Pfizer et al or COVID, your choice. End of story.
The ramifications of this has been that those partisan attempts that tried to claim that shutdowns/masking/etc were unnecessary are coming home
to roost in the morgues of the MAGA South.
Naturally, the latest spin that's underway is to try to downplay deaths per capita
as a valid metric, despite how these same parties used it for months against blindsided Blue States such as NJ (who just relinquished the #1 spot to MS).
The fly in that ointment is that the alternatives are even worse for their narrative,
for when one re-baselines to deaths per capita after general vaccine availability
(call it 1 March 2021 to present), these Red MAGA States are revealing themselves
to be even worse off, and very clearly doing a very poor job managing the risks
for their citizens.
Case in point, CoVid-19 mortality by State on a Per-Capita basis, even using the massaged data from States who are trying to underreport:
State - All-Time --> just those since 3/1/21:
MS 3,115 --> 844 (27% of all deaths have been since 1 March 2021)
NJ 3,061 --> 442
LA 2,886 --> 819
NY 2,850 --> 390
AL 2,694 --> 670
MA 2,676 --> 337
RI 2,654 --> 292
AR 2,467 --> 734
SD 2,374 --> 240
CT 2,369 --> 231
FL 2,366 --> 929
GA 2,315 --> 687
...
TX 2,155 --> 635
...
KY 1,847 --> 677
Taking the above and re-ranking by highest per cap mortality since vaccine availability,
the top "10" are:
FL 929 --> 40% of all deaths are since 1 March 2021
MS 844 --> 27%
LA 819 --> 28%
AR 734 --> 30%
GA 687 --> 30%
KY 677 --> 37%
AL 670 --> 25%
TX 635 --> 30%
NV 613 --> 30%
SC 605 --> 27%
For completeness, here's all the rest:
MI 549
OK 548
DE 511
WV 508
MO 496
MT 486
AZ 484
NM 457
NJ 442 --> FYI, just 14% were since 3/1/21
VA 436
TN 431
WY 427
NC 419
ID 418
CA 390
NY 390 --> also just 14%
KS 383
PA 376
IN 373
OH 357
IL 350
MA 337 --> 13%
OR 323
MD 319
CO 303
IA 295
WA 294
RI 292 --> 11%
MN 270
UT 266
SD 240
CT 231 --> 10%
DC 213
NH 211
ME 209
WI 206
HI 194
ND 185
AK 174
VT 151
NE 149
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta spreads, but still areWe're choosing to skip larger (crowded) outdoor events. We had tickets for an indoor event this past weekend that we skipped on, as I'm in self-imposed quarantine having just been out to Texas last week on business.
going to outdoor events as often as possible.
We now have several close relatives who have acquired immunity via COVID since vaccines came out. None were vaccinated and none have had severe cases or died. My in-laws had an elderly anti-vax friend die from COVID a fewWe have friends who've come down with CoVid for now a *third* time .. and yes, they did get vaccinated (between case #2 and #3)., so it counts as a breakthrough .
months ago. Now two more like him from that same church group are in the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known breakthrough cases in our circle of friends and relatives.
Plus I've had a manager die last month of it. And a neighbor's older brother (50s) too.
-hh
On 2021-09-20 5:38 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
Finally, a rainy day with nothing on the calendar. Well, there was a Mission Pilot checkride to give at noon, but that's scrubbed by said
rainy weather. It required good VFR.
So, here we go.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything here.
Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost trolls. Why
so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts on thatI've had a terrible year that has basically prevented me from racing...
subject.
...and I've never boasted.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared entirely.
Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has died.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, but what'sAnd ignore the fact that Republican-run states have taken active steps
the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the approach that if
you are not going to vaccinate then good luck with COVID, and in too
many cases, adios. Get immunity from Pfizer et al or COVID, your
choice. End of story.
to prevent people from following the best available medical advice.
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta spreads, butI'm happy for you on that.
still are going to outdoor events as often as possible. We now have
several close relatives who have acquired immunity via COVID since
vaccines came out. None were vaccinated and none have had severe
cases or died. My in-laws had an elderly anti-vax friend die from
COVID a few months ago. Now two more like him from that same church
group are in the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known breakthrough cases in our circle of friends and relatives.
The indoor symphony season has started. Proof of vaccination isAnd no acknowledgement that the unfettered opening that your state had
required for attendance. The opening gala is Friday, and we will be
there!
played any role at all.
On 2021-09-20 5:38 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
Finally, a rainy day with nothing on the calendar. Well, there was a Mission Pilot checkride to give at noon, but that's scrubbed by said
rainy weather. It required good VFR.
So, here we go.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything here.
Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost trolls. Why
so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts on thatI've had a terrible year that has basically prevented me from racing...
subject.
...and I've never boasted.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared entirely.
Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has died.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, but what'sAnd ignore the fact that Republican-run states have taken active steps
the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the approach that if
you are not going to vaccinate then good luck with COVID, and in too
many cases, adios. Get immunity from Pfizer et al or COVID, your
choice. End of story.
to prevent people from following the best available medical advice.
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta spreads, butI'm happy for you on that.
still are going to outdoor events as often as possible. We now have
several close relatives who have acquired immunity via COVID since
vaccines came out. None were vaccinated and none have had severe
cases or died. My in-laws had an elderly anti-vax friend die from
COVID a few months ago. Now two more like him from that same church
group are in the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known breakthrough cases in our circle of friends and relatives.
The indoor symphony season has started. Proof of vaccination isAnd no acknowledgement that the unfettered opening that your state had
required for attendance. The opening gala is Friday, and we will be
there!
played any role at all.
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:06:28 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-20 3:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:And you seriously believe that the stances of Republican
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E.
wrote:
...Not too much Apple-centric news for the trolls to troll with.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything
here. Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost
trolls. Why so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts onI've been quite busy on all fronts, despite no vacations. Just
that subject.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared
entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has
died.
not stuff that's been all that Mac-centric newsworthy.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, butPretty much, although there's more to that narrative from a
what's the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the
approach that if you are not going to vaccinate then good
luck with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity
from Pfizer et al or COVID, your choice. End of story.
political slant. What's upsetting the Red's narratives has
been that the south has been clobbered so bad with Delta that
their all-time per capita mortality rates have been overtaking
spots long held by the Northeast which got hit very early. For
example, Mississippi passed NJ in total per capita deaths last
week.
The ramifications of this has been that those partisan
attempts that tried to claim that shutdowns/masking/etc were
unnecessary are coming home to roost in the morgues of the MAGA
South.
Naturally, the latest spin that's underway is to try to
downplay deaths per capita as a valid metric, despite how these
same parties used it for months against blindsided Blue States
such as NJ (who just relinquished the #1 spot to MS).
The fly in that ointment is that the alternatives are even
worse for their narrative, for when one re-baselines to deaths
per capita after general vaccine availability (call it 1 March
2021 to present), these Red MAGA States are revealing
themselves to be even worse off, and very clearly doing a very
poor job managing the risks for their citizens.
Case in point, CoVid-19 mortality by State on a Per-Capita
basis, even using the massaged data from States who are trying
to underreport:
State - All-Time --> just those since 3/1/21:
MS 3,115 --> 844 (27% of all deaths have been since 1 March
2021) NJ 3,061 --> 442 LA 2,886 --> 819 NY 2,850 --> 390 AL
2,694 --> 670 MA 2,676 --> 337 RI 2,654 --> 292 AR 2,467 -->
734 SD 2,374 --> 240 CT 2,369 --> 231 FL 2,366 --> 929 GA 2,315
687 ... TX 2,155 --> 635 ... KY 1,847 --> 677
Taking the above and re-ranking by highest per cap mortality
since vaccine availability, the top "10" are:
FL 929 --> 40% of all deaths are since 1 March 2021 MS 844 -->
27% LA 819 --> 28% AR 734 --> 30% GA 687 --> 30% KY 677 --> 37%
AL 670 --> 25% TX 635 --> 30% NV 613 --> 30% SC 605 --> 27%
For completeness, here's all the rest:
MI 549 OK 548 DE 511 WV 508 MO 496 MT 486 AZ 484 NM 457 NJ 442
FYI, just 14% were since 3/1/21 VA 436 TN 431 WY 427 NC 419ID 418 CA 390 NY 390 --> also just 14% KS 383 PA 376 IN 373 OH
357 IL 350 MA 337 --> 13% OR 323 MD 319 CO 303 IA 295 WA 294 RI
292 --> 11% MN 270 UT 266 SD 240 CT 231 --> 10% DC 213 NH 211
ME 209 WI 206 HI 194 ND 185 AK 174 VT 151 NE 149
We're choosing to skip larger (crowded) outdoor events. We had
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta
spreads, but still are going to outdoor events as often as
possible.
tickets for an indoor event this past weekend that we skipped
on, as I'm in self-imposed quarantine having just been out to
Texas last week on business.
We now have several close relatives who have acquiredWe have friends who've come down with CoVid for now a *third*
immunity via COVID since vaccines came out. None were
vaccinated and none have had severe cases or died. My in-laws
had an elderly anti-vax friend die from COVID a few months
ago. Now two more like him from that same church group are in
the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known
breakthrough cases in our circle of friends and relatives.
time .. and yes, they did get vaccinated (between case #2 and
#3)., so it counts as a breakthrough .
Plus I've had a manager die last month of it. And a neighbor's
older brother (50s) too.
-hh
I have a different take. The Red states have high percentage of
population who have chosen by their own free will to ignore
science and overwhelming statistics. Government cannot continue
to coddle those who will not help themselves. I have no sympathy
for the unvaccinated who get sick and die. If they get COVID
after vaccination at least they tried to do something to protect
themselves and their families.
administrations have played no role in forming people's opinions,
Liarboy?
Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions of
taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?
Do you
seriously think that people’s stance on individual freedoms have no
impact on their elected political leadership? You get the government
of the majority.
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:05:16 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-20 5:38 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
Finally, a rainy day with nothing on the calendar. Well, there was aI've had a terrible year that has basically prevented me from racing...
Mission Pilot checkride to give at noon, but that's scrubbed by said
rainy weather. It required good VFR.
So, here we go.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything here.
Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost trolls. Why
so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts on that
subject.
...and I've never boasted.
And ignore the fact that Republican-run states have taken active steps
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared entirely.
Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has died.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, but what's
the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the approach that if
you are not going to vaccinate then good luck with COVID, and in too
many cases, adios. Get immunity from Pfizer et al or COVID, your
choice. End of story.
to prevent people from following the best available medical advice.
I'm happy for you on that.
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta spreads, but
still are going to outdoor events as often as possible. We now have
several close relatives who have acquired immunity via COVID since
vaccines came out. None were vaccinated and none have had severe
cases or died. My in-laws had an elderly anti-vax friend die from
COVID a few months ago. Now two more like him from that same church
group are in the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known
breakthrough cases in our circle of friends and relatives.
And no acknowledgement that the unfettered opening that your state had
The indoor symphony season has started. Proof of vaccination is
required for attendance. The opening gala is Friday, and we will be
there!
played any role at all.
Is your nose 2 feet long yet Pinocchio?
On 2021-09-20 3:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E.
wrote:
...Not too much Apple-centric news for the trolls to troll with.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything here.
Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost trolls.
Why so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts on thatI've been quite busy on all fronts, despite no vacations. Just not
subject.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared
entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has died.
stuff that's been all that Mac-centric newsworthy.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, butPretty much, although there's more to that narrative from a
what's the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the
approach that if you are not going to vaccinate then good luck
with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity from
Pfizer et al or COVID, your choice. End of story.
political slant. What's upsetting the Red's narratives has been
that the south has been clobbered so bad with Delta that their
all-time per capita mortality rates have been overtaking spots long
held by the Northeast which got hit very early. For example,
Mississippi passed NJ in total per capita deaths last week.
The ramifications of this has been that those partisan attempts
that tried to claim that shutdowns/masking/etc were unnecessary are
coming home to roost in the morgues of the MAGA South.
Naturally, the latest spin that's underway is to try to downplay
deaths per capita as a valid metric, despite how these same parties
used it for months against blindsided Blue States such as NJ (who
just relinquished the #1 spot to MS).
The fly in that ointment is that the alternatives are even worse
for their narrative, for when one re-baselines to deaths per capita
after general vaccine availability (call it 1 March 2021 to
present), these Red MAGA States are revealing themselves to be even
worse off, and very clearly doing a very poor job managing the
risks for their citizens.
Case in point, CoVid-19 mortality by State on a Per-Capita basis,
even using the massaged data from States who are trying to
underreport:
State - All-Time --> just those since 3/1/21:
MS 3,115 --> 844 (27% of all deaths have been since 1 March 2021)
NJ 3,061 --> 442 LA 2,886 --> 819 NY 2,850 --> 390 AL 2,694 -->
670 MA 2,676 --> 337 RI 2,654 --> 292 AR 2,467 --> 734 SD 2,374 -->
240 CT 2,369 --> 231 FL 2,366 --> 929 GA 2,315 --> 687 ... TX 2,155
635 ... KY 1,847 --> 677
Taking the above and re-ranking by highest per cap mortality since
vaccine availability, the top "10" are:
FL 929 --> 40% of all deaths are since 1 March 2021 MS 844 --> 27%
LA 819 --> 28% AR 734 --> 30% GA 687 --> 30% KY 677 --> 37% AL 670
25% TX 635 --> 30% NV 613 --> 30% SC 605 --> 27%
For completeness, here's all the rest:
MI 549 OK 548 DE 511 WV 508 MO 496 MT 486 AZ 484 NM 457 NJ 442 -->
FYI, just 14% were since 3/1/21 VA 436 TN 431 WY 427 NC 419 ID 418
CA 390 NY 390 --> also just 14% KS 383 PA 376 IN 373 OH 357 IL 350
MA 337 --> 13% OR 323 MD 319 CO 303 IA 295 WA 294 RI 292 --> 11% MN
270 UT 266 SD 240 CT 231 --> 10% DC 213 NH 211 ME 209 WI 206 HI
194 ND 185 AK 174 VT 151 NE 149
We're choosing to skip larger (crowded) outdoor events. We had
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta spreads,
but still are going to outdoor events as often as possible.
tickets for an indoor event this past weekend that we skipped on,
as I'm in self-imposed quarantine having just been out to Texas
last week on business.
We now have several close relatives who have acquired immunityWe have friends who've come down with CoVid for now a *third* time
via COVID since vaccines came out. None were vaccinated and none
have had severe cases or died. My in-laws had an elderly anti-vax
friend die from COVID a few months ago. Now two more like him
from that same church group are in the hospital today with
serious cases. So far no known breakthrough cases in our circle
of friends and relatives.
.. and yes, they did get vaccinated (between case #2 and #3)., so
it counts as a breakthrough .
Plus I've had a manager die last month of it. And a neighbor's
older brother (50s) too.
-hh
I have a different take. The Red states have high percentage of
population who have chosen by their own free will to ignore science
and overwhelming statistics. Government cannot continue to coddle
those who will not help themselves. I have no sympathy for the unvaccinated who get sick and die. If they get COVID after
vaccination at least they tried to do something to protect themselves
and their families.
And you seriously believe that the stances of Republican administrations have played no role in forming people's opinions, Liarboy?
Finally, a rainy day with nothing on the calendar. Well, there was a Mission Pilot checkride to give at noon, but that's scrubbed by said rainy weather. It required good VFR.al or COVID, your choice. End of story.
So, here we go.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything here. Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost trolls. Why so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts on that subject.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has died.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, but what's the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the approach that if you are not going to vaccinate then good luck with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity from Pfizer et
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta spreads, but still are going to outdoor events as often as possible. We now have several close relatives who have acquired immunity via COVID since vaccines came out. None were vaccinated and nonehave had severe cases or died. My in-laws had an elderly anti-vax friend die from COVID a few months ago. Now two more like him from that same church group are in the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known breakthrough cases in our circle of
The indoor symphony season has started. Proof of vaccination is required for attendance. The opening gala is Friday, and we will be there!After 3 or 4 trips to the dealer and replacing the entire infotainment system I can fix dropped audio by cycling the offending app pause/play instead of unplugging the USB cord. Progress at least, I suppose.
I do have some on-topic news. Apple Car Play continues to be a minor bother. Not just for me, but across auto platforms. Android Auto seems to be in the same boat. Here are a few articles I ran across and saved for the day I had some time to post:
Android Auto and CarPlay Errors Are Too Much of a Headache, Study Finds
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/android-auto-and-carplay-errors-are-too-much-of-a-headache-study-finds-168444.html
Linking smartphones’ Apple CarPlay, Android Auto to cars frustrates vehicle owners most, J.D. Power survey fi…
https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/2021/8/31/22650617/apple-carplay-android-auto-jd-power-survey-vehicle-owners-frustration-smartphone-pairing-ram-trucks
https://www.axios.com/car-owners-complain-wireless-failed-smartphone-connection-097fb0d6-a406-4aff-964d-1d0d5c0fd79a.html
In my Honda I get frequent Car Play disconnects about 10 minutes into a trip. It's a wired connection that requires unplugging the cord to reset. Once reset it seems to be OK for hours. Audio is still getting randomly dropped in multiple iOS apps.
Otherwise, life goes on. No recent computer, mobile or tablet changes. My aging HP inkjet AIO printer died a while back, so I bought an AIO HP Envy Photo 7855. It works fine for my purposes.
The wife's 98 year old mom finally sold her 1998 Pontiac last week. That was hard for her, but she really needed to give up driving.
My high school aviation class is going very well. Not surprisingly it's a good review for me as well as interesting for the students. We are getting into the physics of lift and control this week.
Peace, out
Finally, a rainy day with nothing on the calendar. Well, there was a Mission Pilot checkride to give at noon, but that's scrubbed by said rainy weather. It required good VFR.al or COVID, your choice. End of story.
So, here we go.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything here. Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost trolls. Why so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts on that subject.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has died.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, but what's the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the approach that if you are not going to vaccinate then good luck with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity from Pfizer et
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta spreads, but still are going to outdoor events as often as possible. We now have several close relatives who have acquired immunity via COVID since vaccines came out. None were vaccinated and nonehave had severe cases or died. My in-laws had an elderly anti-vax friend die from COVID a few months ago. Now two more like him from that same church group are in the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known breakthrough cases in our circle of
The indoor symphony season has started. Proof of vaccination is required for attendance. The opening gala is Friday, and we will be there!After 3 or 4 trips to the dealer and replacing the entire infotainment system I can fix dropped audio by cycling the offending app pause/play instead of unplugging the USB cord. Progress at least, I suppose.
I do have some on-topic news. Apple Car Play continues to be a minor bother. Not just for me, but across auto platforms. Android Auto seems to be in the same boat. Here are a few articles I ran across and saved for the day I had some time to post:
Android Auto and CarPlay Errors Are Too Much of a Headache, Study Finds
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/android-auto-and-carplay-errors-are-too-much-of-a-headache-study-finds-168444.html
Linking smartphones’ Apple CarPlay, Android Auto to cars frustrates vehicle owners most, J.D. Power survey fi…
https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/2021/8/31/22650617/apple-carplay-android-auto-jd-power-survey-vehicle-owners-frustration-smartphone-pairing-ram-trucks
https://www.axios.com/car-owners-complain-wireless-failed-smartphone-connection-097fb0d6-a406-4aff-964d-1d0d5c0fd79a.html
In my Honda I get frequent Car Play disconnects about 10 minutes into a trip. It's a wired connection that requires unplugging the cord to reset. Once reset it seems to be OK for hours. Audio is still getting randomly dropped in multiple iOS apps.
Otherwise, life goes on. No recent computer, mobile or tablet changes. My aging HP inkjet AIO printer died a while back, so I bought an AIO HP Envy Photo 7855. It works fine for my purposes.
The wife's 98 year old mom finally sold her 1998 Pontiac last week. That was hard for her, but she really needed to give up driving.
My high school aviation class is going very well. Not surprisingly it's a good review for me as well as interesting for the students. We are getting into the physics of lift and control this week.
Peace, out
On 2021-09-20 6:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:06:28 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-20 3:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:And you seriously believe that the stances of Republican
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E.
wrote:
...Not too much Apple-centric news for the trolls to troll with.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything
here. Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost
trolls. Why so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts onI've been quite busy on all fronts, despite no vacations. Just
that subject.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared
entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has
died.
not stuff that's been all that Mac-centric newsworthy.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, butPretty much, although there's more to that narrative from a
what's the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the
approach that if you are not going to vaccinate then good
luck with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity
from Pfizer et al or COVID, your choice. End of story.
political slant. What's upsetting the Red's narratives has
been that the south has been clobbered so bad with Delta that
their all-time per capita mortality rates have been overtaking
spots long held by the Northeast which got hit very early. For
example, Mississippi passed NJ in total per capita deaths last
week.
The ramifications of this has been that those partisan
attempts that tried to claim that shutdowns/masking/etc were
unnecessary are coming home to roost in the morgues of the MAGA
South.
Naturally, the latest spin that's underway is to try to
downplay deaths per capita as a valid metric, despite how these
same parties used it for months against blindsided Blue States
such as NJ (who just relinquished the #1 spot to MS).
The fly in that ointment is that the alternatives are even
worse for their narrative, for when one re-baselines to deaths
per capita after general vaccine availability (call it 1 March
2021 to present), these Red MAGA States are revealing
themselves to be even worse off, and very clearly doing a very
poor job managing the risks for their citizens.
Case in point, CoVid-19 mortality by State on a Per-Capita
basis, even using the massaged data from States who are trying
to underreport:
State - All-Time --> just those since 3/1/21:
MS 3,115 --> 844 (27% of all deaths have been since 1 March
2021) NJ 3,061 --> 442 LA 2,886 --> 819 NY 2,850 --> 390 AL
2,694 --> 670 MA 2,676 --> 337 RI 2,654 --> 292 AR 2,467 -->
734 SD 2,374 --> 240 CT 2,369 --> 231 FL 2,366 --> 929 GA 2,315
687 ... TX 2,155 --> 635 ... KY 1,847 --> 677
Taking the above and re-ranking by highest per cap mortality
since vaccine availability, the top "10" are:
FL 929 --> 40% of all deaths are since 1 March 2021 MS 844 -->
27% LA 819 --> 28% AR 734 --> 30% GA 687 --> 30% KY 677 --> 37%
AL 670 --> 25% TX 635 --> 30% NV 613 --> 30% SC 605 --> 27%
For completeness, here's all the rest:
MI 549 OK 548 DE 511 WV 508 MO 496 MT 486 AZ 484 NM 457 NJ 442
FYI, just 14% were since 3/1/21 VA 436 TN 431 WY 427 NC 419ID 418 CA 390 NY 390 --> also just 14% KS 383 PA 376 IN 373 OH
357 IL 350 MA 337 --> 13% OR 323 MD 319 CO 303 IA 295 WA 294 RI
292 --> 11% MN 270 UT 266 SD 240 CT 231 --> 10% DC 213 NH 211
ME 209 WI 206 HI 194 ND 185 AK 174 VT 151 NE 149
We're choosing to skip larger (crowded) outdoor events. We had
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta
spreads, but still are going to outdoor events as often as
possible.
tickets for an indoor event this past weekend that we skipped
on, as I'm in self-imposed quarantine having just been out to
Texas last week on business.
We now have several close relatives who have acquiredWe have friends who've come down with CoVid for now a *third*
immunity via COVID since vaccines came out. None were
vaccinated and none have had severe cases or died. My in-laws
had an elderly anti-vax friend die from COVID a few months
ago. Now two more like him from that same church group are in
the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known
breakthrough cases in our circle of friends and relatives.
time .. and yes, they did get vaccinated (between case #2 and
#3)., so it counts as a breakthrough .
Plus I've had a manager die last month of it. And a neighbor's
older brother (50s) too.
-hh
I have a different take. The Red states have high percentage of
population who have chosen by their own free will to ignore
science and overwhelming statistics. Government cannot continue
to coddle those who will not help themselves. I have no sympathy
for the unvaccinated who get sick and die. If they get COVID
after vaccination at least they tried to do something to protect
themselves and their families.
administrations have played no role in forming people's opinions,
Liarboy?
Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions ofQuote please.. ...and a source.
taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?
Do youAnd when your elected officials play on your fears--actively PREVENT
seriously think that people’s stance on individual freedoms have no impact on their elected political leadership? You get the government
of the majority.
smaller jurisdictions over which they have power from making their own choices?
On 2021-09-20 6:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:06:28 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-20 3:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:And you seriously believe that the stances of Republican
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E.
wrote:
...Not too much Apple-centric news for the trolls to troll with.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything
here. Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost
trolls. Why so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts onI've been quite busy on all fronts, despite no vacations. Just
that subject.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared
entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has
died.
not stuff that's been all that Mac-centric newsworthy.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, butPretty much, although there's more to that narrative from a
what's the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the
approach that if you are not going to vaccinate then good
luck with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity
from Pfizer et al or COVID, your choice. End of story.
political slant. What's upsetting the Red's narratives has
been that the south has been clobbered so bad with Delta that
their all-time per capita mortality rates have been overtaking
spots long held by the Northeast which got hit very early. For
example, Mississippi passed NJ in total per capita deaths last
week.
The ramifications of this has been that those partisan
attempts that tried to claim that shutdowns/masking/etc were
unnecessary are coming home to roost in the morgues of the MAGA
South.
Naturally, the latest spin that's underway is to try to
downplay deaths per capita as a valid metric, despite how these
same parties used it for months against blindsided Blue States
such as NJ (who just relinquished the #1 spot to MS).
The fly in that ointment is that the alternatives are even
worse for their narrative, for when one re-baselines to deaths
per capita after general vaccine availability (call it 1 March
2021 to present), these Red MAGA States are revealing
themselves to be even worse off, and very clearly doing a very
poor job managing the risks for their citizens.
Case in point, CoVid-19 mortality by State on a Per-Capita
basis, even using the massaged data from States who are trying
to underreport:
State - All-Time --> just those since 3/1/21:
MS 3,115 --> 844 (27% of all deaths have been since 1 March
2021) NJ 3,061 --> 442 LA 2,886 --> 819 NY 2,850 --> 390 AL
2,694 --> 670 MA 2,676 --> 337 RI 2,654 --> 292 AR 2,467 -->
734 SD 2,374 --> 240 CT 2,369 --> 231 FL 2,366 --> 929 GA 2,315
687 ... TX 2,155 --> 635 ... KY 1,847 --> 677
Taking the above and re-ranking by highest per cap mortality
since vaccine availability, the top "10" are:
FL 929 --> 40% of all deaths are since 1 March 2021 MS 844 -->
27% LA 819 --> 28% AR 734 --> 30% GA 687 --> 30% KY 677 --> 37%
AL 670 --> 25% TX 635 --> 30% NV 613 --> 30% SC 605 --> 27%
For completeness, here's all the rest:
MI 549 OK 548 DE 511 WV 508 MO 496 MT 486 AZ 484 NM 457 NJ 442
FYI, just 14% were since 3/1/21 VA 436 TN 431 WY 427 NC 419ID 418 CA 390 NY 390 --> also just 14% KS 383 PA 376 IN 373 OH
357 IL 350 MA 337 --> 13% OR 323 MD 319 CO 303 IA 295 WA 294 RI
292 --> 11% MN 270 UT 266 SD 240 CT 231 --> 10% DC 213 NH 211
ME 209 WI 206 HI 194 ND 185 AK 174 VT 151 NE 149
We're choosing to skip larger (crowded) outdoor events. We had
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta
spreads, but still are going to outdoor events as often as
possible.
tickets for an indoor event this past weekend that we skipped
on, as I'm in self-imposed quarantine having just been out to
Texas last week on business.
We now have several close relatives who have acquiredWe have friends who've come down with CoVid for now a *third*
immunity via COVID since vaccines came out. None were
vaccinated and none have had severe cases or died. My in-laws
had an elderly anti-vax friend die from COVID a few months
ago. Now two more like him from that same church group are in
the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known
breakthrough cases in our circle of friends and relatives.
time .. and yes, they did get vaccinated (between case #2 and
#3)., so it counts as a breakthrough .
Plus I've had a manager die last month of it. And a neighbor's
older brother (50s) too.
-hh
I have a different take. The Red states have high percentage of
population who have chosen by their own free will to ignore
science and overwhelming statistics. Government cannot continue
to coddle those who will not help themselves. I have no sympathy
for the unvaccinated who get sick and die. If they get COVID
after vaccination at least they tried to do something to protect
themselves and their families.
administrations have played no role in forming people's opinions,
Liarboy?
Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions ofQuote please.. ...and a source.
taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?
Do youAnd when your elected officials play on your fears--actively PREVENT
seriously think that people’s stance on individual freedoms have no impact on their elected political leadership? You get the government
of the majority.
smaller jurisdictions over which they have power from making their own choices?
On 2021-09-20 6:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:06:28 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-20 3:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E.
wrote:
...Not too much Apple-centric news for the trolls to troll with.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything
here. Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost
trolls. Why so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts onI've been quite busy on all fronts, despite no vacations. Just
that subject.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared
entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has
died.
not stuff that's been all that Mac-centric newsworthy.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, butPretty much, although there's more to that narrative from a
what's the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the
approach that if you are not going to vaccinate then good
luck with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity
from Pfizer et al or COVID, your choice. End of story.
political slant. What's upsetting the Red's narratives has
been that the south has been clobbered so bad with Delta that
their all-time per capita mortality rates have been overtaking
spots long held by the Northeast which got hit very early. For
example, Mississippi passed NJ in total per capita deaths last
week.
The ramifications of this has been that those partisan
attempts that tried to claim that shutdowns/masking/etc were
unnecessary are coming home to roost in the morgues of the MAGA
South.
Naturally, the latest spin that's underway is to try to
downplay deaths per capita as a valid metric, despite how these
same parties used it for months against blindsided Blue States
such as NJ (who just relinquished the #1 spot to MS).
The fly in that ointment is that the alternatives are even
worse for their narrative, for when one re-baselines to deaths
per capita after general vaccine availability (call it 1 March
2021 to present), these Red MAGA States are revealing
themselves to be even worse off, and very clearly doing a very
poor job managing the risks for their citizens.
Case in point, CoVid-19 mortality by State on a Per-Capita
basis, even using the massaged data from States who are trying
to underreport:
State - All-Time --> just those since 3/1/21:
MS 3,115 --> 844 (27% of all deaths have been since 1 March
2021) NJ 3,061 --> 442 LA 2,886 --> 819 NY 2,850 --> 390 AL
2,694 --> 670 MA 2,676 --> 337 RI 2,654 --> 292 AR 2,467 -->
734 SD 2,374 --> 240 CT 2,369 --> 231 FL 2,366 --> 929 GA 2,315
687 ... TX 2,155 --> 635 ... KY 1,847 --> 677
Taking the above and re-ranking by highest per cap mortality
since vaccine availability, the top "10" are:
FL 929 --> 40% of all deaths are since 1 March 2021 MS 844 -->
27% LA 819 --> 28% AR 734 --> 30% GA 687 --> 30% KY 677 --> 37%
AL 670 --> 25% TX 635 --> 30% NV 613 --> 30% SC 605 --> 27%
For completeness, here's all the rest:
MI 549 OK 548 DE 511 WV 508 MO 496 MT 486 AZ 484 NM 457 NJ 442
FYI, just 14% were since 3/1/21 VA 436 TN 431 WY 427 NC 419ID 418 CA 390 NY 390 --> also just 14% KS 383 PA 376 IN 373 OH
357 IL 350 MA 337 --> 13% OR 323 MD 319 CO 303 IA 295 WA 294 RI
292 --> 11% MN 270 UT 266 SD 240 CT 231 --> 10% DC 213 NH 211
ME 209 WI 206 HI 194 ND 185 AK 174 VT 151 NE 149
We're choosing to skip larger (crowded) outdoor events. We had
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta
spreads, but still are going to outdoor events as often as
possible.
tickets for an indoor event this past weekend that we skipped
on, as I'm in self-imposed quarantine having just been out to
Texas last week on business.
We now have several close relatives who have acquiredWe have friends who've come down with CoVid for now a *third*
immunity via COVID since vaccines came out. None were
vaccinated and none have had severe cases or died. My in-laws
had an elderly anti-vax friend die from COVID a few months
ago. Now two more like him from that same church group are in
the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known
breakthrough cases in our circle of friends and relatives.
time .. and yes, they did get vaccinated (between case #2 and
#3)., so it counts as a breakthrough .
Plus I've had a manager die last month of it. And a neighbor's
older brother (50s) too.
I have a different take. The Red states have high percentage of
population who have chosen by their own free will to ignore
science and overwhelming statistics.
Government cannot continue
to coddle those who will not help themselves.
I have no sympathy for the unvaccinated who get sick and die.
If they get COVID after vaccination at least they tried to do something >>> to protect themselves and their families.
And you seriously believe that the stances of Republican
administrations have played no role in forming people's opinions,
Liarboy?
Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions of
taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?
Quote please.. ...and a source.
Do you seriously think that people’s stance on individual freedoms have no impact on their elected political leadership? You get the government
of the majority.
And when your elected officials play on your fears--actively PREVENT
smaller jurisdictions over which they have power from making their own choices?
Tom is parroting a misquote.Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions ofQuote please.. ...and a source.
taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?
Back when Trump was claiming that he'd have a vaccine as an election surprise,
Kamala Harris said that Trump's word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine
was inadequate:
"I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be a credible source
of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about,"
she continued in the clip from an exclusive interview airing Sunday on CNN's "State of the
Union" at 9 a.m. ET. "I will not take his word for it."
<https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html>
Given how we've since now seen how Trump denied the legitimacy of the election,
as well as attempted a coup on Jan 6th ... her posture that he's a liar was correct.
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 11:31:51 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:Macintosh is the BEST, FUCK the rest!
On 2021-09-21 3:49 a.m., -hh wrote:
And no surprise that our liar worships him.Tom is parroting a misquote.Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions ofQuote please.. ...and a source.
taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?
Back when Trump was claiming that he'd have a vaccine as an election surprise,
Kamala Harris said that Trump's word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine
was inadequate:
"I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be a credible source
of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about,"
she continued in the clip from an exclusive interview airing Sunday on CNN's "State of the
Union" at 9 a.m. ET. "I will not take his word for it."
<https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html>
Given how we've since now seen how Trump denied the legitimacy of the election,
as well as attempted a coup on Jan 6th ... her posture that he's a liar was correct.
Because I criticize Biden's administration does not imply that I "worship" Trump. Quite the contrary I don't like the man at all.
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 11:31:51 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-21 3:49 a.m., -hh wrote:
Tom is parroting a misquote.Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions ofQuote please.. ...and a source.
taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?
Back when Trump was claiming that he'd have a vaccine as an election surprise,
Kamala Harris said that Trump's word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine
was inadequate:
"I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be a credible source
of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about,"
she continued in the clip from an exclusive interview airing Sunday on CNN's "State of the
Union" at 9 a.m. ET. "I will not take his word for it."
<https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html>
Given how we've since now seen how Trump denied the legitimacy of the election,
as well as attempted a coup on Jan 6th ... her posture that he's a liar was correct.
And no surprise that our liar worships him.
Because I criticize Biden's administration does not imply that I "worship" Trump. Quite the contrary I don't like the man at all.
On 2021-09-21 3:49 a.m., -hh wrote:
Tom is parroting a misquote.Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions ofQuote please.. ...and a source.
taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?
Back when Trump was claiming that he'd have a vaccine as an election surprise,
Kamala Harris said that Trump's word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine
was inadequate:
"I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be a credible source
of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about,"
she continued in the clip from an exclusive interview airing Sunday on CNN's "State of the
Union" at 9 a.m. ET. "I will not take his word for it."
<https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html>
Given how we've since now seen how Trump denied the legitimacy of the election,
as well as attempted a coup on Jan 6th ... her posture that he's a liar was correct.
And no surprise that our liar worships him.
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 9:35:38 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-20 6:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:In which the Republican party and media outlets like Fox have been very knowingly actively 'Aiding & Abetting' that attitude for their own gain; classical "Party before Country".
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:06:28 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-20 3:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E.
wrote:
...Not too much Apple-centric news for the trolls to troll with.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything
here. Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost
trolls. Why so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts onI've been quite busy on all fronts, despite no vacations. Just
that subject.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared
entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has
died.
not stuff that's been all that Mac-centric newsworthy.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, butPretty much, although there's more to that narrative from a
what's the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the
approach that if you are not going to vaccinate then good
luck with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity
from Pfizer et al or COVID, your choice. End of story.
political slant. What's upsetting the Red's narratives has
been that the south has been clobbered so bad with Delta that
their all-time per capita mortality rates have been overtaking
spots long held by the Northeast which got hit very early. For
example, Mississippi passed NJ in total per capita deaths last
week.
The ramifications of this has been that those partisan
attempts that tried to claim that shutdowns/masking/etc were
unnecessary are coming home to roost in the morgues of the MAGA
South.
Naturally, the latest spin that's underway is to try to
downplay deaths per capita as a valid metric, despite how these
same parties used it for months against blindsided Blue States
such as NJ (who just relinquished the #1 spot to MS).
The fly in that ointment is that the alternatives are even
worse for their narrative, for when one re-baselines to deaths
per capita after general vaccine availability (call it 1 March
2021 to present), these Red MAGA States are revealing
themselves to be even worse off, and very clearly doing a very
poor job managing the risks for their citizens.
Case in point, CoVid-19 mortality by State on a Per-Capita
basis, even using the massaged data from States who are trying
to underreport:
State - All-Time --> just those since 3/1/21:
MS 3,115 --> 844 (27% of all deaths have been since 1 March
2021) NJ 3,061 --> 442 LA 2,886 --> 819 NY 2,850 --> 390 AL
2,694 --> 670 MA 2,676 --> 337 RI 2,654 --> 292 AR 2,467 -->
734 SD 2,374 --> 240 CT 2,369 --> 231 FL 2,366 --> 929 GA 2,315
687 ... TX 2,155 --> 635 ... KY 1,847 --> 677
Taking the above and re-ranking by highest per cap mortality
since vaccine availability, the top "10" are:
FL 929 --> 40% of all deaths are since 1 March 2021 MS 844 -->
27% LA 819 --> 28% AR 734 --> 30% GA 687 --> 30% KY 677 --> 37%
AL 670 --> 25% TX 635 --> 30% NV 613 --> 30% SC 605 --> 27%
For completeness, here's all the rest:
MI 549 OK 548 DE 511 WV 508 MO 496 MT 486 AZ 484 NM 457 NJ 442
FYI, just 14% were since 3/1/21 VA 436 TN 431 WY 427 NC 419ID 418 CA 390 NY 390 --> also just 14% KS 383 PA 376 IN 373 OH
357 IL 350 MA 337 --> 13% OR 323 MD 319 CO 303 IA 295 WA 294 RI
292 --> 11% MN 270 UT 266 SD 240 CT 231 --> 10% DC 213 NH 211
ME 209 WI 206 HI 194 ND 185 AK 174 VT 151 NE 149
We're choosing to skip larger (crowded) outdoor events. We had
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta
spreads, but still are going to outdoor events as often as
possible.
tickets for an indoor event this past weekend that we skipped
on, as I'm in self-imposed quarantine having just been out to
Texas last week on business.
We now have several close relatives who have acquiredWe have friends who've come down with CoVid for now a *third*
immunity via COVID since vaccines came out. None were
vaccinated and none have had severe cases or died. My in-laws
had an elderly anti-vax friend die from COVID a few months
ago. Now two more like him from that same church group are in
the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known
breakthrough cases in our circle of friends and relatives.
time .. and yes, they did get vaccinated (between case #2 and
#3)., so it counts as a breakthrough .
Plus I've had a manager die last month of it. And a neighbor's
older brother (50s) too.
I have a different take. The Red states have high percentage of
population who have chosen by their own free will to ignore
science and overwhelming statistics.
There's always been a few people like this; in WW2, there were businessmen in shore towns that didn't want to turn off their lights because it would hurt
their business tourism ... until the U-Boats using those lights sank merchant
ships right off their beaches (which got covered in oil & dead bodies).
When the Carrot stops working, one goes next to the Stick...and the petulant scream about 'mandates'. They just don't know (or care) about the USA's long history of the State issuing mandates for the benefit of Society ... such as byGovernment cannot continue
to coddle those who will not help themselves.
mandating public schools for kids, forcibly locking up murderers in jails, and
even OSHA and Banking Regulations.
It depends on if they have a valid medical contra-indicator, or if they're just being a dumbass by believing the Fox Propaganda that it containsI have no sympathy for the unvaccinated who get sick and die.
a 5G tracking chip/etc.
Precisely. Likewise, for them to take other protective measures such as social distancing and masking when merited: because each layer is stochastic, not deterministic, one needs to work the odds to be in one's favor. As such, when mutations cause the vaccine alone to drop fromIf they get COVID after vaccination at least they tried to do something
to protect themselves and their families.
90% to 70% (or whatever), it is appropriate to incorporate another ~50% effectiveness mitigator in the plan to get the net number back up.
And you seriously believe that the stances of Republican
administrations have played no role in forming people's opinions,
Liarboy?
Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions of
taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?
Quote please.. ...and a source.Tom is parroting a misquote.
Back when Trump was claiming that he'd have a vaccine as an election surprise,
Kamala Harris said that Trump's word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine
was inadequate:
"I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be a credible source
of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about,"
she continued in the clip from an exclusive interview airing Sunday on CNN's "State of the
Union" at 9 a.m. ET. "I will not take his word for it."
<https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html>
Given how we've since now seen how Trump denied the legitimacy of the election,
as well as attempted a coup on Jan 6th ... her posture that he's a liar was correct.
Do you seriously think that people’s stance on individual freedoms have
no impact on their elected political leadership? You get the government of the majority.
And when your elected officials play on your fears--actively PREVENT smaller jurisdictions over which they have power from making their own choices?DeSantis should go to jail for killing his constituents.
-hh
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 6:49:04 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 9:35:38 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-20 6:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:In which the Republican party and media outlets like Fox have been very knowingly actively 'Aiding & Abetting' that attitude for their own gain; classical "Party before Country".
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:06:28 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-20 3:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E.
wrote:
...Not too much Apple-centric news for the trolls to troll with.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything
here. Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost >>>>> trolls. Why so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts onI've been quite busy on all fronts, despite no vacations. Just
that subject.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared
entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has
died.
not stuff that's been all that Mac-centric newsworthy.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, butPretty much, although there's more to that narrative from a
what's the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the
approach that if you are not going to vaccinate then good
luck with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity
from Pfizer et al or COVID, your choice. End of story.
political slant. What's upsetting the Red's narratives has
been that the south has been clobbered so bad with Delta that
their all-time per capita mortality rates have been overtaking
spots long held by the Northeast which got hit very early. For
example, Mississippi passed NJ in total per capita deaths last
week.
The ramifications of this has been that those partisan
attempts that tried to claim that shutdowns/masking/etc were
unnecessary are coming home to roost in the morgues of the MAGA >>>> South.
Naturally, the latest spin that's underway is to try to
downplay deaths per capita as a valid metric, despite how these >>>> same parties used it for months against blindsided Blue States
such as NJ (who just relinquished the #1 spot to MS).
The fly in that ointment is that the alternatives are even
worse for their narrative, for when one re-baselines to deaths
per capita after general vaccine availability (call it 1 March
2021 to present), these Red MAGA States are revealing
themselves to be even worse off, and very clearly doing a very
poor job managing the risks for their citizens.
Case in point, CoVid-19 mortality by State on a Per-Capita
basis, even using the massaged data from States who are trying
to underreport:
State - All-Time --> just those since 3/1/21:
MS 3,115 --> 844 (27% of all deaths have been since 1 March
2021) NJ 3,061 --> 442 LA 2,886 --> 819 NY 2,850 --> 390 AL
2,694 --> 670 MA 2,676 --> 337 RI 2,654 --> 292 AR 2,467 -->
734 SD 2,374 --> 240 CT 2,369 --> 231 FL 2,366 --> 929 GA 2,315 >>>> --> 687 ... TX 2,155 --> 635 ... KY 1,847 --> 677
Taking the above and re-ranking by highest per cap mortality
since vaccine availability, the top "10" are:
FL 929 --> 40% of all deaths are since 1 March 2021 MS 844 -->
27% LA 819 --> 28% AR 734 --> 30% GA 687 --> 30% KY 677 --> 37% >>>> AL 670 --> 25% TX 635 --> 30% NV 613 --> 30% SC 605 --> 27%
For completeness, here's all the rest:
MI 549 OK 548 DE 511 WV 508 MO 496 MT 486 AZ 484 NM 457 NJ 442
FYI, just 14% were since 3/1/21 VA 436 TN 431 WY 427 NC 419 >>>> ID 418 CA 390 NY 390 --> also just 14% KS 383 PA 376 IN 373 OH357 IL 350 MA 337 --> 13% OR 323 MD 319 CO 303 IA 295 WA 294 RI >>>> 292 --> 11% MN 270 UT 266 SD 240 CT 231 --> 10% DC 213 NH 211
ME 209 WI 206 HI 194 ND 185 AK 174 VT 151 NE 149
We're choosing to skip larger (crowded) outdoor events. We had
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta
spreads, but still are going to outdoor events as often as
possible.
tickets for an indoor event this past weekend that we skipped
on, as I'm in self-imposed quarantine having just been out to
Texas last week on business.
We now have several close relatives who have acquiredWe have friends who've come down with CoVid for now a *third*
immunity via COVID since vaccines came out. None were
vaccinated and none have had severe cases or died. My in-laws >>>>> had an elderly anti-vax friend die from COVID a few months
ago. Now two more like him from that same church group are in >>>>> the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known
breakthrough cases in our circle of friends and relatives.
time .. and yes, they did get vaccinated (between case #2 and
#3)., so it counts as a breakthrough .
Plus I've had a manager die last month of it. And a neighbor's
older brother (50s) too.
I have a different take. The Red states have high percentage of
population who have chosen by their own free will to ignore
science and overwhelming statistics.
There's always been a few people like this; in WW2, there were businessmen in shore towns that didn't want to turn off their lights because it would hurt
their business tourism ... until the U-Boats using those lights sank merchant
ships right off their beaches (which got covered in oil & dead bodies).
When the Carrot stops working, one goes next to the Stick...and the petulantGovernment cannot continue
to coddle those who will not help themselves.
scream about 'mandates'. They just don't know (or care) about the USA's long
history of the State issuing mandates for the benefit of Society ... such as by
mandating public schools for kids, forcibly locking up murderers in jails, and
even OSHA and Banking Regulations.
It depends on if they have a valid medical contra-indicator, or if they're just being a dumbass by believing the Fox Propaganda that it containsI have no sympathy for the unvaccinated who get sick and die.
a 5G tracking chip/etc.
Precisely. Likewise, for them to take other protective measures such as social distancing and masking when merited: because each layer is stochastic, not deterministic, one needs to work the odds to be in one's favor. As such, when mutations cause the vaccine alone to drop fromIf they get COVID after vaccination at least they tried to do something
to protect themselves and their families.
90% to 70% (or whatever), it is appropriate to incorporate another ~50% effectiveness mitigator in the plan to get the net number back up.
And you seriously believe that the stances of Republican
administrations have played no role in forming people's opinions,
Liarboy?
Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions of taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?
Quote please.. ...and a source.Tom is parroting a misquote.
Back when Trump was claiming that he'd have a vaccine as an election surprise,
Kamala Harris said that Trump's word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine
was inadequate:
"I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be a credible source
of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about,"
she continued in the clip from an exclusive interview airing Sunday on CNN's "State of the
Union" at 9 a.m. ET. "I will not take his word for it."
<https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html>
Given how we've since now seen how Trump denied the legitimacy of the election,
as well as attempted a coup on Jan 6th ... her posture that he's a liar was correct.
Do you seriously think that people’s stance on individual freedoms have
no impact on their elected political leadership? You get the government
of the majority.
And when your elected officials play on your fears--actively PREVENT smaller jurisdictions over which they have power from making their own choices?DeSantis should go to jail for killing his constituents.
-hhWould it surprise you to know that I strongly support vaccine mandates?
I do not support mask mandates, and here is why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFCYv0X4kf4&t=21s
They are not effective, but can create a false image of protection.
Regardless of the nuances of Harris' statement, she gave the radical right a message
they could later twist to discourage vaccination.
Simply put, my views are not those of the radical side, left or right. I follow the
science, as we know it.
I'll be first in line to get the Pfizer booster when it becomes available here! If people
are not willing to get vaccinated I'm quite happy to have them get natural COVID
immunity. A few more deaths now can prevent even more later.
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 9:41:50 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 6:49:04 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 9:35:38 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-20 6:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:In which the Republican party and media outlets like Fox have been very knowingly actively 'Aiding & Abetting' that attitude for their own gain; classical "Party before Country".
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:06:28 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-20 3:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E.
wrote:
...Not too much Apple-centric news for the trolls to troll with. >>>>> Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts on
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything >>>>> here. Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost >>>>> trolls. Why so quiet?
that subject.I've been quite busy on all fronts, despite no vacations. Just >>>> not stuff that's been all that Mac-centric newsworthy.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared
entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has
died.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, but >>>>> what's the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken thePretty much, although there's more to that narrative from a
approach that if you are not going to vaccinate then good
luck with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity >>>>> from Pfizer et al or COVID, your choice. End of story.
political slant. What's upsetting the Red's narratives has
been that the south has been clobbered so bad with Delta that >>>> their all-time per capita mortality rates have been overtaking >>>> spots long held by the Northeast which got hit very early. For >>>> example, Mississippi passed NJ in total per capita deaths last >>>> week.
The ramifications of this has been that those partisan
attempts that tried to claim that shutdowns/masking/etc were
unnecessary are coming home to roost in the morgues of the MAGA >>>> South.
Naturally, the latest spin that's underway is to try to
downplay deaths per capita as a valid metric, despite how these >>>> same parties used it for months against blindsided Blue States >>>> such as NJ (who just relinquished the #1 spot to MS).
The fly in that ointment is that the alternatives are even
worse for their narrative, for when one re-baselines to deaths >>>> per capita after general vaccine availability (call it 1 March >>>> 2021 to present), these Red MAGA States are revealing
themselves to be even worse off, and very clearly doing a very >>>> poor job managing the risks for their citizens.
Case in point, CoVid-19 mortality by State on a Per-Capita
basis, even using the massaged data from States who are trying >>>> to underreport:
State - All-Time --> just those since 3/1/21:
MS 3,115 --> 844 (27% of all deaths have been since 1 March
2021) NJ 3,061 --> 442 LA 2,886 --> 819 NY 2,850 --> 390 AL
2,694 --> 670 MA 2,676 --> 337 RI 2,654 --> 292 AR 2,467 -->
734 SD 2,374 --> 240 CT 2,369 --> 231 FL 2,366 --> 929 GA 2,315 >>>> --> 687 ... TX 2,155 --> 635 ... KY 1,847 --> 677
Taking the above and re-ranking by highest per cap mortality
since vaccine availability, the top "10" are:
FL 929 --> 40% of all deaths are since 1 March 2021 MS 844 --> >>>> 27% LA 819 --> 28% AR 734 --> 30% GA 687 --> 30% KY 677 --> 37% >>>> AL 670 --> 25% TX 635 --> 30% NV 613 --> 30% SC 605 --> 27%
For completeness, here's all the rest:
MI 549 OK 548 DE 511 WV 508 MO 496 MT 486 AZ 484 NM 457 NJ 442 >>>> --> FYI, just 14% were since 3/1/21 VA 436 TN 431 WY 427 NC 419 >>>> ID 418 CA 390 NY 390 --> also just 14% KS 383 PA 376 IN 373 OH >>>> 357 IL 350 MA 337 --> 13% OR 323 MD 319 CO 303 IA 295 WA 294 RI >>>> 292 --> 11% MN 270 UT 266 SD 240 CT 231 --> 10% DC 213 NH 211 >>>> ME 209 WI 206 HI 194 ND 185 AK 174 VT 151 NE 149
We're choosing to skip larger (crowded) outdoor events. We had >>>> tickets for an indoor event this past weekend that we skipped >>>> on, as I'm in self-imposed quarantine having just been out to >>>> Texas last week on business.
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta
spreads, but still are going to outdoor events as often as
possible.
We now have several close relatives who have acquiredWe have friends who've come down with CoVid for now a *third* >>>> time .. and yes, they did get vaccinated (between case #2 and >>>> #3)., so it counts as a breakthrough .
immunity via COVID since vaccines came out. None were
vaccinated and none have had severe cases or died. My in-laws >>>>> had an elderly anti-vax friend die from COVID a few months
ago. Now two more like him from that same church group are in >>>>> the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known
breakthrough cases in our circle of friends and relatives.
Plus I've had a manager die last month of it. And a neighbor's >>>> older brother (50s) too.
I have a different take. The Red states have high percentage of >>> population who have chosen by their own free will to ignore
science and overwhelming statistics.
There's always been a few people like this; in WW2, there were businessmen
in shore towns that didn't want to turn off their lights because it would hurt
their business tourism ... until the U-Boats using those lights sank merchant
ships right off their beaches (which got covered in oil & dead bodies).
When the Carrot stops working, one goes next to the Stick...and the petulantGovernment cannot continue
to coddle those who will not help themselves.
scream about 'mandates'. They just don't know (or care) about the USA's long
history of the State issuing mandates for the benefit of Society ... such as by
mandating public schools for kids, forcibly locking up murderers in jails, and
even OSHA and Banking Regulations.
It depends on if they have a valid medical contra-indicator, or if they'reI have no sympathy for the unvaccinated who get sick and die.
just being a dumbass by believing the Fox Propaganda that it contains
a 5G tracking chip/etc.
Precisely. Likewise, for them to take other protective measures such as social distancing and masking when merited: because each layer is stochastic, not deterministic, one needs to work the odds to be in one's favor. As such, when mutations cause the vaccine alone to drop fromIf they get COVID after vaccination at least they tried to do something
to protect themselves and their families.
90% to 70% (or whatever), it is appropriate to incorporate another ~50% effectiveness mitigator in the plan to get the net number back up.
And you seriously believe that the stances of Republican
administrations have played no role in forming people's opinions, >> Liarboy?
Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions of taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?
Quote please.. ...and a source.Tom is parroting a misquote.
Back when Trump was claiming that he'd have a vaccine as an election surprise,
Kamala Harris said that Trump's word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine
was inadequate:
"I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be a credible source
of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about,"
she continued in the clip from an exclusive interview airing Sunday on CNN's "State of the
Union" at 9 a.m. ET. "I will not take his word for it."
<https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html>
Given how we've since now seen how Trump denied the legitimacy of the election,
as well as attempted a coup on Jan 6th ... her posture that he's a liar was correct.
Do you seriously think that people’s stance on individual freedoms have
no impact on their elected political leadership? You get the government
of the majority.
And when your elected officials play on your fears--actively PREVENT smaller jurisdictions over which they have power from making their own choices?DeSantis should go to jail for killing his constituents.
Yes, I'm surprised.-hhWould it surprise you to know that I strongly support vaccine mandates?
I do not support mask mandates, and here is why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFCYv0X4kf4&t=21s
They are not effective, but can create a false image of protection.The problems with the "not effective" mask claims is that they're incomplete.
Regardless of the nuances of Harris' statement, she gave the radical right a messageThe radical right twists everything, so that's not an adequate reason to try to nitpick.
they could later twist to discourage vaccination.
Simply put, my views are not those of the radical side, left or right. I follow theWhere your said "as you know it" isn't holistically complete, as you illustrated above
science, as we know it.
with your personal conclusion on mask efficacy.
I'll be first in line to get the Pfizer booster when it becomes available here! If peopleSo what's the trade-off benefit provided by choosing to not avoid these otherwise avoidable deaths?
are not willing to get vaccinated I'm quite happy to have them get natural COVID
immunity. A few more deaths now can prevent even more later.
-hh
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 6:49:04 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:have them get natural COVID immunity. A few more deaths now can prevent even more later.
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 9:35:38 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-20 6:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:In which the Republican party and media outlets like Fox have been very knowingly actively 'Aiding & Abetting' that attitude for their own gain; classical "Party before Country".
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:06:28 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-20 3:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E.
wrote:
...Not too much Apple-centric news for the trolls to troll with.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything
here. Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost >>>>> trolls. Why so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts onI've been quite busy on all fronts, despite no vacations. Just
that subject.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared
entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has
died.
not stuff that's been all that Mac-centric newsworthy.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, butPretty much, although there's more to that narrative from a
what's the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the
approach that if you are not going to vaccinate then good
luck with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity
from Pfizer et al or COVID, your choice. End of story.
political slant. What's upsetting the Red's narratives has
been that the south has been clobbered so bad with Delta that
their all-time per capita mortality rates have been overtaking
spots long held by the Northeast which got hit very early. For
example, Mississippi passed NJ in total per capita deaths last
week.
The ramifications of this has been that those partisan
attempts that tried to claim that shutdowns/masking/etc were
unnecessary are coming home to roost in the morgues of the MAGA >>>> South.
Naturally, the latest spin that's underway is to try to
downplay deaths per capita as a valid metric, despite how these >>>> same parties used it for months against blindsided Blue States
such as NJ (who just relinquished the #1 spot to MS).
The fly in that ointment is that the alternatives are even
worse for their narrative, for when one re-baselines to deaths
per capita after general vaccine availability (call it 1 March
2021 to present), these Red MAGA States are revealing
themselves to be even worse off, and very clearly doing a very
poor job managing the risks for their citizens.
Case in point, CoVid-19 mortality by State on a Per-Capita
basis, even using the massaged data from States who are trying
to underreport:
State - All-Time --> just those since 3/1/21:
MS 3,115 --> 844 (27% of all deaths have been since 1 March
2021) NJ 3,061 --> 442 LA 2,886 --> 819 NY 2,850 --> 390 AL
2,694 --> 670 MA 2,676 --> 337 RI 2,654 --> 292 AR 2,467 -->
734 SD 2,374 --> 240 CT 2,369 --> 231 FL 2,366 --> 929 GA 2,315 >>>> --> 687 ... TX 2,155 --> 635 ... KY 1,847 --> 677
Taking the above and re-ranking by highest per cap mortality
since vaccine availability, the top "10" are:
FL 929 --> 40% of all deaths are since 1 March 2021 MS 844 -->
27% LA 819 --> 28% AR 734 --> 30% GA 687 --> 30% KY 677 --> 37% >>>> AL 670 --> 25% TX 635 --> 30% NV 613 --> 30% SC 605 --> 27%
For completeness, here's all the rest:
MI 549 OK 548 DE 511 WV 508 MO 496 MT 486 AZ 484 NM 457 NJ 442
FYI, just 14% were since 3/1/21 VA 436 TN 431 WY 427 NC 419 >>>> ID 418 CA 390 NY 390 --> also just 14% KS 383 PA 376 IN 373 OH357 IL 350 MA 337 --> 13% OR 323 MD 319 CO 303 IA 295 WA 294 RI >>>> 292 --> 11% MN 270 UT 266 SD 240 CT 231 --> 10% DC 213 NH 211
ME 209 WI 206 HI 194 ND 185 AK 174 VT 151 NE 149
We're choosing to skip larger (crowded) outdoor events. We had
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta
spreads, but still are going to outdoor events as often as
possible.
tickets for an indoor event this past weekend that we skipped
on, as I'm in self-imposed quarantine having just been out to
Texas last week on business.
We now have several close relatives who have acquiredWe have friends who've come down with CoVid for now a *third*
immunity via COVID since vaccines came out. None were
vaccinated and none have had severe cases or died. My in-laws >>>>> had an elderly anti-vax friend die from COVID a few months
ago. Now two more like him from that same church group are in >>>>> the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known
breakthrough cases in our circle of friends and relatives.
time .. and yes, they did get vaccinated (between case #2 and
#3)., so it counts as a breakthrough .
Plus I've had a manager die last month of it. And a neighbor's
older brother (50s) too.
I have a different take. The Red states have high percentage of
population who have chosen by their own free will to ignore
science and overwhelming statistics.
There's always been a few people like this; in WW2, there were businessmen in shore towns that didn't want to turn off their lights because it would hurt
their business tourism ... until the U-Boats using those lights sank merchant
ships right off their beaches (which got covered in oil & dead bodies).
When the Carrot stops working, one goes next to the Stick...and the petulantGovernment cannot continue
to coddle those who will not help themselves.
scream about 'mandates'. They just don't know (or care) about the USA's long
history of the State issuing mandates for the benefit of Society ... such as by
mandating public schools for kids, forcibly locking up murderers in jails, and
even OSHA and Banking Regulations.
It depends on if they have a valid medical contra-indicator, or if they're just being a dumbass by believing the Fox Propaganda that it containsI have no sympathy for the unvaccinated who get sick and die.
a 5G tracking chip/etc.
Precisely. Likewise, for them to take other protective measures such as social distancing and masking when merited: because each layer is stochastic, not deterministic, one needs to work the odds to be in one's favor. As such, when mutations cause the vaccine alone to drop fromIf they get COVID after vaccination at least they tried to do something
to protect themselves and their families.
90% to 70% (or whatever), it is appropriate to incorporate another ~50% effectiveness mitigator in the plan to get the net number back up.
And you seriously believe that the stances of Republican
administrations have played no role in forming people's opinions,
Liarboy?
Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions of taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?
Quote please.. ...and a source.Tom is parroting a misquote.
Back when Trump was claiming that he'd have a vaccine as an election surprise,
Kamala Harris said that Trump's word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine
was inadequate:
"I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be a credible source
of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about,"
she continued in the clip from an exclusive interview airing Sunday on CNN's "State of the
Union" at 9 a.m. ET. "I will not take his word for it."
<https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html>
Given how we've since now seen how Trump denied the legitimacy of the election,
as well as attempted a coup on Jan 6th ... her posture that he's a liar was correct.
Do you seriously think that people’s stance on individual freedoms have
no impact on their elected political leadership? You get the government
of the majority.
And when your elected officials play on your fears--actively PREVENT smaller jurisdictions over which they have power from making their own choices?DeSantis should go to jail for killing his constituents.
-hhWould it surprise you to know that I strongly support vaccine mandates? I do not support mask mandates, and here is why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFCYv0X4kf4&t=21s
They are not effective, but can create a false image of protection.
Regardless of the nuances of Harris' statement, she gave the radical right a message they could later twist to discourage vaccination.
Simply put, my views are not those of the radical side, left or right. I follow the science, as we know it. I'll be first in line to get the Pfizer booster when it becomes available here! If people are not willing to get vaccinated I'm quite happy to
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 8:46:44 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 11:31:51 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-21 3:49 a.m., -hh wrote:
Tom is parroting a misquote.Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions ofQuote please.. ...and a source.
taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?
Back when Trump was claiming that he'd have a vaccine as an election surprise,
Kamala Harris said that Trump's word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine
was inadequate:
"I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be a credible source
of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about,"
she continued in the clip from an exclusive interview airing Sunday on CNN's "State of the
Union" at 9 a.m. ET. "I will not take his word for it."
<https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html>
Given how we've since now seen how Trump denied the legitimacy of the election,
as well as attempted a coup on Jan 6th ... her posture that he's a liar was correct.
And no surprise that our liar worships him.
Because I criticize Biden's administration does not imply that I "worship" Trump. Quite the contrary I don't like the man at all.Gosh, its been quite odd then at how you're mysteriously silent when outright fraud
is found.
Case in point:
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/09/21/trump-campaign-knew-dominion-fraud-claims-were-false-memo-reportedly-shows-but-giuliani-still-pushed-them/?sh=57d08737364a>
Those documents prove deliberate libel/slander perpetuated by Trump's organization
against Dominion. How large should the financial penalty imposed on Trump & his toadies be?
$1B? $2B? More? Why shouldn't Dominion receive every dime that they're suing for?
-hh
On 9/20/2021 5:38 AM, Thomas E. wrote:et al or COVID, your choice. End of story.
Finally, a rainy day with nothing on the calendar. Well, there was a Mission Pilot checkride to give at noon, but that's scrubbed by said rainy weather. It required good VFR.
So, here we go.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything here. Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost trolls. Why so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts on that subject.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has died.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, but what's the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the approach that if you are not going to vaccinate then good luck with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity from Pfizer
none have had severe cases or died. My in-laws had an elderly anti-vax friend die from COVID a few months ago. Now two more like him from that same church group are in the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known breakthrough cases in ourThe wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta spreads, but still are going to outdoor events as often as possible. We now have several close relatives who have acquired immunity via COVID since vaccines came out. None were vaccinated and
After 3 or 4 trips to the dealer and replacing the entire infotainment system I can fix dropped audio by cycling the offending app pause/play instead of unplugging the USB cord. Progress at least, I suppose.The indoor symphony season has started. Proof of vaccination is required for attendance. The opening gala is Friday, and we will be there!
I do have some on-topic news. Apple Car Play continues to be a minor bother. Not just for me, but across auto platforms. Android Auto seems to be in the same boat. Here are a few articles I ran across and saved for the day I had some time to post:
Android Auto and CarPlay Errors Are Too Much of a Headache, Study Finds
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/android-auto-and-carplay-errors-are-too-much-of-a-headache-study-finds-168444.html
Linking smartphones’ Apple CarPlay, Android Auto to cars frustrates vehicle owners most, J.D. Power survey fi…
https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/2021/8/31/22650617/apple-carplay-android-auto-jd-power-survey-vehicle-owners-frustration-smartphone-pairing-ram-trucks
https://www.axios.com/car-owners-complain-wireless-failed-smartphone-connection-097fb0d6-a406-4aff-964d-1d0d5c0fd79a.html
In my Honda I get frequent Car Play disconnects about 10 minutes into a trip. It's a wired connection that requires unplugging the cord to reset. Once reset it seems to be OK for hours. Audio is still getting randomly dropped in multiple iOS apps.
Otherwise, life goes on. No recent computer, mobile or tablet changes. My aging HP inkjet AIO printer died a while back, so I bought an AIO HP Envy Photo 7855. It works fine for my purposes.
The wife's 98 year old mom finally sold her 1998 Pontiac last week. That was hard for her, but she really needed to give up driving.
My high school aviation class is going very well. Not surprisingly it's a good review for me as well as interesting for the students. We are getting into the physics of lift and control this week.
Peace, out
Here in California we defeated the right wing recall. Gavin Newsom is
here to stay. He owes it to the anti-mask/anti-vax philosophy of Republicans. Two thirds of California believes in masks and vaccine mandates. He ran on it and easily won as a result. Did you hear
California has the lowest Covid rates in the country?
Today I upgraded my iPhone and iPad to IOS 15. As usual no upgrade
problems at all and performance is fabulous. Also upgraded an Apple TV. Every thing just works so nice. Hope my upgrade to Windows 11 goes
as smooth on Oct 6. Somehow I doubt it.
I am enjoying retirement. After 35 years as an engineer it was time.
Its fun to play with computers, ham radio, electronics projects and all.
Sure would be nice to get this newsgroup going again, rather than all
the trolling going on.
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 1:21:27 AM UTC-4, John wrote:
On 9/20/2021 5:38 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
Finally, a rainy day with nothing on the calendar. Well, there was a
Mission Pilot checkride to give at noon, but that's scrubbed by said rainy >> > weather. It required good VFR.
So, here we go.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything here. Over
that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost trolls. Why so quiet? >> >
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts on that subject.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared entirely.
Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has died.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, but what's the
use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the approach that if you are >> > not going to vaccinate then good luck with COVID, and in too many cases,
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 9:41:50 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 6:49:04 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 9:35:38 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-20 6:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:In which the Republican party and media outlets like Fox have been very knowingly actively 'Aiding & Abetting' that attitude for their own gain; classical "Party before Country".
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:06:28 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-20 3:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E.
wrote:
...Not too much Apple-centric news for the trolls to troll with. >>>>> Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts on
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything >>>>> here. Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost >>>>> trolls. Why so quiet?
that subject.I've been quite busy on all fronts, despite no vacations. Just >>>> not stuff that's been all that Mac-centric newsworthy.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared
entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has
died.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, but >>>>> what's the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken thePretty much, although there's more to that narrative from a
approach that if you are not going to vaccinate then good
luck with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity >>>>> from Pfizer et al or COVID, your choice. End of story.
political slant. What's upsetting the Red's narratives has
been that the south has been clobbered so bad with Delta that >>>> their all-time per capita mortality rates have been overtaking >>>> spots long held by the Northeast which got hit very early. For >>>> example, Mississippi passed NJ in total per capita deaths last >>>> week.
The ramifications of this has been that those partisan
attempts that tried to claim that shutdowns/masking/etc were
unnecessary are coming home to roost in the morgues of the MAGA >>>> South.
Naturally, the latest spin that's underway is to try to
downplay deaths per capita as a valid metric, despite how these >>>> same parties used it for months against blindsided Blue States >>>> such as NJ (who just relinquished the #1 spot to MS).
The fly in that ointment is that the alternatives are even
worse for their narrative, for when one re-baselines to deaths >>>> per capita after general vaccine availability (call it 1 March >>>> 2021 to present), these Red MAGA States are revealing
themselves to be even worse off, and very clearly doing a very >>>> poor job managing the risks for their citizens.
Case in point, CoVid-19 mortality by State on a Per-Capita
basis, even using the massaged data from States who are trying >>>> to underreport:
State - All-Time --> just those since 3/1/21:
MS 3,115 --> 844 (27% of all deaths have been since 1 March
2021) NJ 3,061 --> 442 LA 2,886 --> 819 NY 2,850 --> 390 AL
2,694 --> 670 MA 2,676 --> 337 RI 2,654 --> 292 AR 2,467 -->
734 SD 2,374 --> 240 CT 2,369 --> 231 FL 2,366 --> 929 GA 2,315 >>>> --> 687 ... TX 2,155 --> 635 ... KY 1,847 --> 677
Taking the above and re-ranking by highest per cap mortality
since vaccine availability, the top "10" are:
FL 929 --> 40% of all deaths are since 1 March 2021 MS 844 --> >>>> 27% LA 819 --> 28% AR 734 --> 30% GA 687 --> 30% KY 677 --> 37% >>>> AL 670 --> 25% TX 635 --> 30% NV 613 --> 30% SC 605 --> 27%
For completeness, here's all the rest:
MI 549 OK 548 DE 511 WV 508 MO 496 MT 486 AZ 484 NM 457 NJ 442 >>>> --> FYI, just 14% were since 3/1/21 VA 436 TN 431 WY 427 NC 419 >>>> ID 418 CA 390 NY 390 --> also just 14% KS 383 PA 376 IN 373 OH >>>> 357 IL 350 MA 337 --> 13% OR 323 MD 319 CO 303 IA 295 WA 294 RI >>>> 292 --> 11% MN 270 UT 266 SD 240 CT 231 --> 10% DC 213 NH 211 >>>> ME 209 WI 206 HI 194 ND 185 AK 174 VT 151 NE 149
We're choosing to skip larger (crowded) outdoor events. We had >>>> tickets for an indoor event this past weekend that we skipped >>>> on, as I'm in self-imposed quarantine having just been out to >>>> Texas last week on business.
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta
spreads, but still are going to outdoor events as often as
possible.
We now have several close relatives who have acquiredWe have friends who've come down with CoVid for now a *third* >>>> time .. and yes, they did get vaccinated (between case #2 and >>>> #3)., so it counts as a breakthrough .
immunity via COVID since vaccines came out. None were
vaccinated and none have had severe cases or died. My in-laws >>>>> had an elderly anti-vax friend die from COVID a few months
ago. Now two more like him from that same church group are in >>>>> the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known
breakthrough cases in our circle of friends and relatives.
Plus I've had a manager die last month of it. And a neighbor's >>>> older brother (50s) too.
I have a different take. The Red states have high percentage of >>> population who have chosen by their own free will to ignore
science and overwhelming statistics.
There's always been a few people like this; in WW2, there were businessmen
in shore towns that didn't want to turn off their lights because it would hurt
their business tourism ... until the U-Boats using those lights sank merchant
ships right off their beaches (which got covered in oil & dead bodies).
When the Carrot stops working, one goes next to the Stick...and the petulantGovernment cannot continue
to coddle those who will not help themselves.
scream about 'mandates'. They just don't know (or care) about the USA's long
history of the State issuing mandates for the benefit of Society ... such as by
mandating public schools for kids, forcibly locking up murderers in jails, and
even OSHA and Banking Regulations.
It depends on if they have a valid medical contra-indicator, or if they'reI have no sympathy for the unvaccinated who get sick and die.
just being a dumbass by believing the Fox Propaganda that it contains
a 5G tracking chip/etc.
Precisely. Likewise, for them to take other protective measures such as social distancing and masking when merited: because each layer is stochastic, not deterministic, one needs to work the odds to be in one's favor. As such, when mutations cause the vaccine alone to drop fromIf they get COVID after vaccination at least they tried to do something
to protect themselves and their families.
90% to 70% (or whatever), it is appropriate to incorporate another ~50% effectiveness mitigator in the plan to get the net number back up.
And you seriously believe that the stances of Republican
administrations have played no role in forming people's opinions, >> Liarboy?
Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions of taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?
Quote please.. ...and a source.Tom is parroting a misquote.
Back when Trump was claiming that he'd have a vaccine as an election surprise,
Kamala Harris said that Trump's word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine
was inadequate:
"I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be a credible source
of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about,"
she continued in the clip from an exclusive interview airing Sunday on CNN's "State of the
Union" at 9 a.m. ET. "I will not take his word for it."
<https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html>
Given how we've since now seen how Trump denied the legitimacy of the election,
as well as attempted a coup on Jan 6th ... her posture that he's a liar was correct.
Do you seriously think that people’s stance on individual freedoms have
no impact on their elected political leadership? You get the government
of the majority.
And when your elected officials play on your fears--actively PREVENT smaller jurisdictions over which they have power from making their own choices?DeSantis should go to jail for killing his constituents.
Yes, I'm surprised.-hhWould it surprise you to know that I strongly support vaccine mandates?
I do not support mask mandates, and here is why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFCYv0X4kf4&t=21s
They are not effective, but can create a false image of protection.The problems with the "not effective" mask claims is that they're incomplete.
Regardless of the nuances of Harris' statement, she gave the radical right a messageThe radical right twists everything, so that's not an adequate reason to try to nitpick.
they could later twist to discourage vaccination.
Simply put, my views are not those of the radical side, left or right. I follow theWhere your said "as you know it" isn't holistically complete, as you illustrated above
science, as we know it.
with your personal conclusion on mask efficacy.
I'll be first in line to get the Pfizer booster when it becomes available here! If peopleSo what's the trade-off benefit provided by choosing to not avoid these otherwise avoidable deaths?
are not willing to get vaccinated I'm quite happy to have them get natural COVID
immunity. A few more deaths now can prevent even more later.
-hh
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 10:47:11 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 9:41:50 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 6:49:04 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:Yes, I'm surprised.
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 9:35:38 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:Would it surprise you to know that I strongly support vaccine mandates?
On 2021-09-20 6:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:In which the Republican party and media outlets like Fox have been very >> > > knowingly actively 'Aiding & Abetting' that attitude for their own gain; >> > > classical "Party before Country".
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:06:28 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote: >> > > > >> On 2021-09-20 3:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E.
wrote:
...Not too much Apple-centric news for the trolls to troll with.
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything
here. Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost
trolls. Why so quiet?
Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts on thatnot stuff that's been all that Mac-centric newsworthy.
subject.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared
entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has died. >> > > > >>>> I've been quite busy on all fronts, despite no vacations. Just
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, butPretty much, although there's more to that narrative from a
what's the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the
approach that if you are not going to vaccinate then good luck >> > > > >>>>> with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity from
Pfizer et al or COVID, your choice. End of story.
political slant. What's upsetting the Red's narratives has been >> > > > >>>> that the south has been clobbered so bad with Delta that their
all-time per capita mortality rates have been overtaking spots
long held by the Northeast which got hit very early. For example, >> > > > >>>> Mississippi passed NJ in total per capita deaths last week.
The ramifications of this has been that those partisan attempts >> > > > >>>> that tried to claim that shutdowns/masking/etc were unnecessary >> > > > >>>> are coming home to roost in the morgues of the MAGA South.
Naturally, the latest spin that's underway is to try to downplay >> > > > >>>> deaths per capita as a valid metric, despite how these same
parties used it for months against blindsided Blue States such as >> > > > >>>> NJ (who just relinquished the #1 spot to MS).
The fly in that ointment is that the alternatives are even worse >> > > > >>>> for their narrative, for when one re-baselines to deaths per
capita after general vaccine availability (call it 1 March 2021 >> > > > >>>> to present), these Red MAGA States are revealing themselves to be >> > > > >>>> even worse off, and very clearly doing a very poor job managing >> > > > >>>> the risks for their citizens.
Case in point, CoVid-19 mortality by State on a Per-Capita basis, >> > > > >>>> even using the massaged data from States who are trying to
underreport:
State - All-Time --> just those since 3/1/21:
MS 3,115 --> 844 (27% of all deaths have been since 1 March 2021) >> > > > >>>> NJ 3,061 --> 442 LA 2,886 --> 819 NY 2,850 --> 390 AL 2,694 --> >> > > > >>>> 670 MA 2,676 --> 337 RI 2,654 --> 292 AR 2,467 --> 734 SD 2,374 >> > > > >>>> --> 240 CT 2,369 --> 231 FL 2,366 --> 929 GA 2,315 --> 687 ... TX >> > > > >>>> 2,155 --> 635 ... KY 1,847 --> 677
Taking the above and re-ranking by highest per cap mortality
since vaccine availability, the top "10" are:
FL 929 --> 40% of all deaths are since 1 March 2021 MS 844 -->
27% LA 819 --> 28% AR 734 --> 30% GA 687 --> 30% KY 677 --> 37% >> > > > >>>> AL 670 --> 25% TX 635 --> 30% NV 613 --> 30% SC 605 --> 27%
For completeness, here's all the rest:
MI 549 OK 548 DE 511 WV 508 MO 496 MT 486 AZ 484 NM 457 NJ 442
FYI, just 14% were since 3/1/21 VA 436 TN 431 WY 427 NC 419 >> > > > >>>> ID 418 CA 390 NY 390 --> also just 14% KS 383 PA 376 IN 373 OH357 IL 350 MA 337 --> 13% OR 323 MD 319 CO 303 IA 295 WA 294 RI >> > > > >>>> 292 --> 11% MN 270 UT 266 SD 240 CT 231 --> 10% DC 213 NH 211 ME >> > > > >>>> 209 WI 206 HI 194 ND 185 AK 174 VT 151 NE 149
We're choosing to skip larger (crowded) outdoor events. We had
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta spreads, >> > > > >>>>> but still are going to outdoor events as often as possible.
tickets for an indoor event this past weekend that we skipped on, >> > > > >>>> as I'm in self-imposed quarantine having just been out to Texas >> > > > >>>> last week on business.
We now have several close relatives who have acquired immunity >> > > > >>>>> via COVID since vaccines came out. None were vaccinated and none >> > > > >>>>> have had severe cases or died. My in-laws had an elderlyWe have friends who've come down with CoVid for now a *third*
anti-vax friend die from COVID a few months ago. Now two more
like him from that same church group are in the hospital today >> > > > >>>>> with serious cases. So far no known breakthrough cases in our
circle of friends and relatives.
time .. and yes, they did get vaccinated (between case #2 and
#3)., so it counts as a breakthrough .
Plus I've had a manager die last month of it. And a neighbor's
older brother (50s) too.
I have a different take. The Red states have high percentage of
population who have chosen by their own free will to ignore
science and overwhelming statistics.
There's always been a few people like this; in WW2, there were
businessmen in shore towns that didn't want to turn off their lights
because it would hurt their business tourism ... until the U-Boats using >> > > those lights sank merchant ships right off their beaches (which got
covered in oil & dead bodies).
When the Carrot stops working, one goes next to the Stick...and theGovernment cannot continue to coddle those who will not help
themselves.
petulant scream about 'mandates'. They just don't know (or care) about >> > > the USA's long history of the State issuing mandates for the benefit of >> > > Society ... such as by mandating public schools for kids, forcibly
locking up murderers in jails, and even OSHA and Banking Regulations.
It depends on if they have a valid medical contra-indicator, or ifI have no sympathy for the unvaccinated who get sick and die.
they're just being a dumbass by believing the Fox Propaganda that it
contains a 5G tracking chip/etc.
Precisely. Likewise, for them to take other protective measures such as >> > > social distancing and masking when merited: because each layer isIf they get COVID after vaccination at least they tried to do
something to protect themselves and their families.
stochastic, not deterministic, one needs to work the odds to be in one's >> > > favor. As such, when mutations cause the vaccine alone to drop from 90% >> > > to 70% (or whatever), it is appropriate to incorporate another ~50%
effectiveness mitigator in the plan to get the net number back up.
Tom is parroting a misquote.And you seriously believe that the stances of Republican
administrations have played no role in forming people's opinions, >> > > > >> Liarboy?
Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions of
taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?
Quote please.. ...and a source.
Back when Trump was claiming that he'd have a vaccine as an election
surprise, Kamala Harris said that Trump's word alone on any potential
coronavirus vaccine was inadequate:
"I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be >> > > a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the >> > > reliability of whatever he's talking about," she continued in the clip >> > > from an exclusive interview airing Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union" >> > > at 9 a.m. ET. "I will not take his word for it."
<https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html>
Given how we've since now seen how Trump denied the legitimacy of the
election, as well as attempted a coup on Jan 6th ... her posture that
he's a liar was correct.
DeSantis should go to jail for killing his constituents.Do you seriously think that people’s stance on individual freedoms >> > > > > have no impact on their elected political leadership? You get the
government of the majority.
And when your elected officials play on your fears--actively PREVENT >> > > > smaller jurisdictions over which they have power from making their own >> > > > choices?
-hh
I do not support mask mandates, and here is why:The problems with the "not effective" mask claims is that they're
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFCYv0X4kf4&t=21s
They are not effective, but can create a false image of protection.
incomplete.
Regardless of the nuances of Harris' statement, she gave the radical right >> > a message they could later twist to discourage vaccination.The radical right twists everything, so that's not an adequate reason to try >> to nitpick.
Simply put, my views are not those of the radical side, left or right. I >> > follow the science, as we know it.Where your said "as you know it" isn't holistically complete, as you
illustrated above with your personal conclusion on mask efficacy.
I'll be first in line to get the Pfizer booster when it becomes available >> > here! If people are not willing to get vaccinated I'm quite happy to have >> > them get natural COVID immunity. A few more deaths now can prevent evenSo what's the trade-off benefit provided by choosing to not avoid these
more later.
otherwise avoidable deaths?
-hh
Total BS HH. Not my opinion on masks, but science. Your hatred makes you blind to the science.
These deaths are not avoidable short of a draconian lockdown. Through our elected officials we have as a body politic chosen to go down the lockdown path. Get over it. We are not Canada.
Hopefully the vaccine mandates and acquired immunity will end this nightmare. Had more people chosen to protect themselves, their families and the rest of us we could be putting it behind us. I got banned from NextDoor for a few days for pointing out and irritating the heck out of a few nutcases. You don't need to convince me that a large portion of the U.S. population has been selfish and irrational.
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 9:07:07 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 8:46:44 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 11:31:51 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-21 3:49 a.m., -hh wrote:
Tom is parroting a misquote.Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions of >>> taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?Quote please.. ...and a source.
Back when Trump was claiming that he'd have a vaccine as an election surprise,
Kamala Harris said that Trump's word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine
was inadequate:
"I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be a credible source
of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about,"
she continued in the clip from an exclusive interview airing Sunday on CNN's "State of the
Union" at 9 a.m. ET. "I will not take his word for it."
<https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html>
Given how we've since now seen how Trump denied the legitimacy of the election,
as well as attempted a coup on Jan 6th ... her posture that he's a liar was correct.
Did I post about it here? No.And no surprise that our liar worships him.
Because I criticize Biden's administration does not imply that I "worship" Trump. Quite the contrary I don't like the man at all.Gosh, its been quite odd then at how you're mysteriously silent when outright fraud
is found.
Case in point:
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/09/21/trump-campaign-knew-dominion-fraud-claims-were-false-memo-reportedly-shows-but-giuliani-still-pushed-them/?sh=57d08737364a>
Those documents prove deliberate libel/slander perpetuated by Trump's organization
against Dominion. How large should the financial penalty imposed on Trump & his toadies be?
$1B? $2B? More? Why shouldn't Dominion receive every dime that they're suing for?
-hhIf I posted every negative thing that any politician did there would be no end to it. A friend of mine owns the company that makes the MicroVote voting machine. He assured me that Dominion has a solid case against the accusations. Yes, that upset me.
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 9:07:07 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 8:46:44 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 11:31:51 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-21 3:49 a.m., -hh wrote:
Tom is parroting a misquote.Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions of >>> taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?Quote please.. ...and a source.
Back when Trump was claiming that he'd have a vaccine as an election surprise,
Kamala Harris said that Trump's word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine
was inadequate:
"I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be a credible source
of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about,"
she continued in the clip from an exclusive interview airing Sunday on CNN's "State of the
Union" at 9 a.m. ET. "I will not take his word for it."
<https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html>
Given how we've since now seen how Trump denied the legitimacy of the election,
as well as attempted a coup on Jan 6th ... her posture that he's a liar was correct.
And no surprise that our liar worships him.
Because I criticize Biden's administration does not imply that I "worship" Trump. Quite
the contrary I don't like the man at all.
Gosh, its been quite odd then at how you're mysteriously silent when outright fraud
is found.
Case in point:
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/09/21/trump-campaign-knew-dominion-fraud-claims-were-false-memo-reportedly-shows-but-giuliani-still-pushed-them/?sh=57d08737364a>
Those documents prove deliberate libel/slander perpetuated by Trump's organization
against Dominion. How large should the financial penalty imposed on Trump & his toadies be?
$1B? $2B? More? Why shouldn't Dominion receive every dime that they're suing for?
If I posted every negative thing that any politician did there would be no end to it.
A friend of mine owns the company that makes the MicroVote voting machine. He assured me that Dominion has a solid case against the accusations.
Yes, that upset me.
Did I post about it here? No.
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 10:47:11 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 9:41:50 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 6:49:04 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 9:35:38 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-20 6:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:In which the Republican party and media outlets like Fox have been very
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 7:06:28 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-09-20 3:15 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote: >>>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. >>>> wrote:
...Not too much Apple-centric news for the trolls to troll with. >>>>> Alan is taking the year off from racing. So no boasts on
It's been a month since Alan Baker and I exchanged anything >>>>> here. Over that month the only CSMA posts I see are crosspost >>>>> trolls. Why so quiet?
that subject.I've been quite busy on all fronts, despite no vacations. Just >>>> not stuff that's been all that Mac-centric newsworthy.
Ed, HH and other Mac advocates seem to have disappeared
entirely. Basically CSMA as it existed a few years ago has >>>>> died.
I suppose we could re-ignite the COVID debate with Alan, but >>>>> what's the use? Here in the U.S. we seem to have taken the >>>>> approach that if you are not going to vaccinate then good >>>>> luck with COVID, and in too many cases, adios. Get immunity >>>>> from Pfizer et al or COVID, your choice. End of story.Pretty much, although there's more to that narrative from a >>>> political slant. What's upsetting the Red's narratives has
been that the south has been clobbered so bad with Delta that >>>> their all-time per capita mortality rates have been overtaking >>>> spots long held by the Northeast which got hit very early. For >>>> example, Mississippi passed NJ in total per capita deaths last >>>> week.
The ramifications of this has been that those partisan
attempts that tried to claim that shutdowns/masking/etc were >>>> unnecessary are coming home to roost in the morgues of the MAGA >>>> South.
Naturally, the latest spin that's underway is to try to
downplay deaths per capita as a valid metric, despite how these >>>> same parties used it for months against blindsided Blue States >>>> such as NJ (who just relinquished the #1 spot to MS).
The fly in that ointment is that the alternatives are even
worse for their narrative, for when one re-baselines to deaths >>>> per capita after general vaccine availability (call it 1 March >>>> 2021 to present), these Red MAGA States are revealing
themselves to be even worse off, and very clearly doing a very >>>> poor job managing the risks for their citizens.
Case in point, CoVid-19 mortality by State on a Per-Capita
basis, even using the massaged data from States who are trying >>>> to underreport:
State - All-Time --> just those since 3/1/21:
MS 3,115 --> 844 (27% of all deaths have been since 1 March >>>> 2021) NJ 3,061 --> 442 LA 2,886 --> 819 NY 2,850 --> 390 AL >>>> 2,694 --> 670 MA 2,676 --> 337 RI 2,654 --> 292 AR 2,467 --> >>>> 734 SD 2,374 --> 240 CT 2,369 --> 231 FL 2,366 --> 929 GA 2,315 >>>> --> 687 ... TX 2,155 --> 635 ... KY 1,847 --> 677
Taking the above and re-ranking by highest per cap mortality >>>> since vaccine availability, the top "10" are:
FL 929 --> 40% of all deaths are since 1 March 2021 MS 844 --> >>>> 27% LA 819 --> 28% AR 734 --> 30% GA 687 --> 30% KY 677 --> 37% >>>> AL 670 --> 25% TX 635 --> 30% NV 613 --> 30% SC 605 --> 27% >>>>
For completeness, here's all the rest:
MI 549 OK 548 DE 511 WV 508 MO 496 MT 486 AZ 484 NM 457 NJ 442 >>>> --> FYI, just 14% were since 3/1/21 VA 436 TN 431 WY 427 NC 419 >>>> ID 418 CA 390 NY 390 --> also just 14% KS 383 PA 376 IN 373 OH >>>> 357 IL 350 MA 337 --> 13% OR 323 MD 319 CO 303 IA 295 WA 294 RI >>>> 292 --> 11% MN 270 UT 266 SD 240 CT 231 --> 10% DC 213 NH 211 >>>> ME 209 WI 206 HI 194 ND 185 AK 174 VT 151 NE 149
We're choosing to skip larger (crowded) outdoor events. We had >>>> tickets for an indoor event this past weekend that we skipped >>>> on, as I'm in self-imposed quarantine having just been out to >>>> Texas last week on business.
The wife and I have hunkered down a bit again as Delta
spreads, but still are going to outdoor events as often as >>>>> possible.
We now have several close relatives who have acquired
immunity via COVID since vaccines came out. None were
vaccinated and none have had severe cases or died. My in-laws >>>>> had an elderly anti-vax friend die from COVID a few months >>>>> ago. Now two more like him from that same church group are in >>>>> the hospital today with serious cases. So far no known
breakthrough cases in our circle of friends and relatives. >>>> We have friends who've come down with CoVid for now a *third* >>>> time .. and yes, they did get vaccinated (between case #2 and >>>> #3)., so it counts as a breakthrough .
Plus I've had a manager die last month of it. And a neighbor's >>>> older brother (50s) too.
I have a different take. The Red states have high percentage of >>> population who have chosen by their own free will to ignore
science and overwhelming statistics.
knowingly actively 'Aiding & Abetting' that attitude for their own gain;
classical "Party before Country".
There's always been a few people like this; in WW2, there were businessmen
in shore towns that didn't want to turn off their lights because it would hurt
their business tourism ... until the U-Boats using those lights sank merchant
ships right off their beaches (which got covered in oil & dead bodies).
When the Carrot stops working, one goes next to the Stick...and the petulantGovernment cannot continue
to coddle those who will not help themselves.
scream about 'mandates'. They just don't know (or care) about the USA's long
history of the State issuing mandates for the benefit of Society ... such as by
mandating public schools for kids, forcibly locking up murderers in jails, and
even OSHA and Banking Regulations.
It depends on if they have a valid medical contra-indicator, or if they'reI have no sympathy for the unvaccinated who get sick and die.
just being a dumbass by believing the Fox Propaganda that it contains a 5G tracking chip/etc.
Precisely. Likewise, for them to take other protective measures such asIf they get COVID after vaccination at least they tried to do something
to protect themselves and their families.
social distancing and masking when merited: because each layer is stochastic, not deterministic, one needs to work the odds to be in one's
favor. As such, when mutations cause the vaccine alone to drop from 90% to 70% (or whatever), it is appropriate to incorporate another ~50%
effectiveness mitigator in the plan to get the net number back up.
And you seriously believe that the stances of Republican
administrations have played no role in forming people's opinions, >> Liarboy?
Do you seriously think VP Harris saying she has no intentions of taking the Trump vaccine had no impact on people’s opinions?
Quote please.. ...and a source.Tom is parroting a misquote.
Back when Trump was claiming that he'd have a vaccine as an election surprise,
Kamala Harris said that Trump's word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine
was inadequate:
"I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be a credible source
of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about,"
she continued in the clip from an exclusive interview airing Sunday on CNN's "State of the
Union" at 9 a.m. ET. "I will not take his word for it."
<https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/kamala-harris-not-trust-trump-vaccine-cnntv/index.html>
Given how we've since now seen how Trump denied the legitimacy of the election,
as well as attempted a coup on Jan 6th ... her posture that he's a liar was correct.
Do you seriously think that people’s stance on individual freedoms have
no impact on their elected political leadership? You get the government
of the majority.
And when your elected officials play on your fears--actively PREVENT smaller jurisdictions over which they have power from making their ownDeSantis should go to jail for killing his constituents.
choices?
Yes, I'm surprised.-hhWould it surprise you to know that I strongly support vaccine mandates?
I do not support mask mandates, and here is why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFCYv0X4kf4&t=21s
They are not effective, but can create a false image of protection.The problems with the "not effective" mask claims is that they're incomplete.
Regardless of the nuances of Harris' statement, she gave the radical right a messageThe radical right twists everything, so that's not an adequate reason to try to nitpick.
they could later twist to discourage vaccination.
Simply put, my views are not those of the radical side, left or right. I follow theWhere your said "as you know it" isn't holistically complete, as you illustrated above
science, as we know it.
with your personal conclusion on mask efficacy.
I'll be first in line to get the Pfizer booster when it becomes available here! If peopleSo what's the trade-off benefit provided by choosing to not avoid these otherwise avoidable deaths?
are not willing to get vaccinated I'm quite happy to have them get natural COVID
immunity. A few more deaths now can prevent even more later.
Total BS HH. Not my opinion on masks, but science. Your hatred makes you blind to the science.
These deaths are not avoidable short of a draconian lockdown.
Through our elected officials we have as a body politic chosen to go down the lockdown path. Get over it. We are not Canada.
Hopefully the vaccine mandates and acquired immunity will end this nightmare.
Had more people chosen to protect themselves, their families and the rest of us we could be putting it behind us. I got banned from NextDoor for a few days
for pointing out and irritating the heck out of a few nutcases. You don't need
to convince me that a large portion of the U.S. population has been selfish and irrational.
On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 7:24:09 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
Through our elected officials we have as a body politic chosen to go down
the lockdown path. Get over it. We are not Canada.
Once again, just what constitutes this so-called “lockdown” condition? I’ve never
been forcibly constrained like some Chinese had been.
Hopefully the vaccine mandates and acquired immunity will end this nightmare.
It’s high time to beat the dumbasses with the stick.
Had more people chosen to protect themselves, their families and the rest of >> us we could be putting it behind us. I got banned from NextDoor for a few days
for pointing out and irritating the heck out of a few nutcases. You don't need
to convince me that a large portion of the U.S. population has been selfish >> and irrational.
Oh, you mean like the ones who’ve been claiming that there’s currently “Draconian”
lockdowns and the like? /s
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