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    From -hh@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 8 11:12:13 2022
    Well, Apple did finally deliver on an "xMac" -esque desktop:
    price points are $2K (M1 Max) and $4K (M1 Ultra).

    Performance-wise, the Max is 2.5X faster than faster (i9)
    based 27-inc iMac ; the Ultra comes in at 1.8x of the
    highest performing Mac Pro.

    For displays, the new one is a 27" 5K "Studio Display", at
    $1600 ... comes with VESA or a Tilt-adjustable stand; an
    "also available" Tilt & height adjustable stand is +$400.

    Looks pretty killer. Time to start saving the pennies.


    -hh

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Mar 8 11:21:18 2022
    On 2022-03-08 11:12 a.m., -hh wrote:

    Well, Apple did finally deliver on an "xMac" -esque desktop:
    price points are $2K (M1 Max) and $4K (M1 Ultra).

    Performance-wise, the Max is 2.5X faster than faster (i9)
    based 27-inc iMac ; the Ultra comes in at 1.8x of the
    highest performing Mac Pro.

    For displays, the new one is a 27" 5K "Studio Display", at
    $1600 ... comes with VESA or a Tilt-adjustable stand; an
    "also available" Tilt & height adjustable stand is +$400.

    Looks pretty killer. Time to start saving the pennies.

    Yup.

    It's got no impact on me personally, but I've got a few clients who will
    be very interested.

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  • From John@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Mar 8 13:45:38 2022
    On 3/8/22 11:12 AM, -hh wrote:

    Well, Apple did finally deliver on an "xMac" -esque desktop:
    price points are $2K (M1 Max) and $4K (M1 Ultra).

    Performance-wise, the Max is 2.5X faster than faster (i9)
    based 27-inc iMac ; the Ultra comes in at 1.8x of the
    highest performing Mac Pro.

    For displays, the new one is a 27" 5K "Studio Display", at
    $1600 ... comes with VESA or a Tilt-adjustable stand; an
    "also available" Tilt & height adjustable stand is +$400.

    Looks pretty killer. Time to start saving the pennies.


    -hh



    Was wanting a new 27 iMac. As of today they are gone forever. In
    reality though the Mac Studio is much better and the way to go.

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  • From MuahMan@21:1/5 to -hh on Wed Mar 23 14:06:41 2022
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:12:15 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    Well, Apple did finally deliver on an "xMac" -esque desktop:
    price points are $2K (M1 Max) and $4K (M1 Ultra).

    Performance-wise, the Max is 2.5X faster than faster (i9)
    based 27-inc iMac ; the Ultra comes in at 1.8x of the
    highest performing Mac Pro.

    For displays, the new one is a 27" 5K "Studio Display", at
    $1600 ... comes with VESA or a Tilt-adjustable stand; an
    "also available" Tilt & height adjustable stand is +$400.

    Looks pretty killer. Time to start saving the pennies.


    -hh
    It's a smart move since the Mac towers are so expensive. Still they would sell way more if them if they were $1500 instead of $2,000 and $4,000. Apple is now officially less evil than Google, but more evil than Microsoft.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to MuahMan on Wed Mar 23 15:44:24 2022
    On 2022-03-23 2:06 p.m., MuahMan wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:12:15 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    Well, Apple did finally deliver on an "xMac" -esque desktop:
    price points are $2K (M1 Max) and $4K (M1 Ultra).

    Performance-wise, the Max is 2.5X faster than faster (i9)
    based 27-inc iMac ; the Ultra comes in at 1.8x of the
    highest performing Mac Pro.

    For displays, the new one is a 27" 5K "Studio Display", at
    $1600 ... comes with VESA or a Tilt-adjustable stand; an
    "also available" Tilt & height adjustable stand is +$400.

    Looks pretty killer. Time to start saving the pennies.


    -hh
    It's a smart move since the Mac towers are so expensive. Still they would sell way more if them if they were $1500 instead of $2,000 and $4,000. Apple is now officially less evil than Google, but more evil than Microsoft.

    "Evil" for doing what, exactly?

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to MuahMan on Wed Mar 23 16:38:21 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 5:06:43 PM UTC-4, MuahMan wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:12:15 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    Well, Apple did finally deliver on an "xMac" -esque desktop:
    price points are $2K (M1 Max) and $4K (M1 Ultra).

    Performance-wise, the Max is 2.5X faster than faster (i9)
    based 27-inc iMac ; the Ultra comes in at 1.8x of the
    highest performing Mac Pro.

    For displays, the new one is a 27" 5K "Studio Display", at
    $1600 ... comes with VESA or a Tilt-adjustable stand; an
    "also available" Tilt & height adjustable stand is +$400.

    Looks pretty killer. Time to start saving the pennies.


    It's a smart move since the Mac towers are so expensive.

    This one is a third of the cost of the prior.

    Still they would sell way more if them if they were $1500 instead
    of $2,000 and $4,000.

    Porsche would sell more 911’s if they only cost $1500 too…but that doesn’t mean that they’re profitable for the company at that price.


    Apple is now officially less evil than Google, but more evil than Microsoft.

    Brian, you’re always finding a way to make sure that you say something stupid
    so that no one takes you seriously…and you’ve done just so once again.

    -hh

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  • From MuahMan@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Mar 23 17:21:15 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 6:44:26 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-23 2:06 p.m., MuahMan wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:12:15 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    Well, Apple did finally deliver on an "xMac" -esque desktop:
    price points are $2K (M1 Max) and $4K (M1 Ultra).

    Performance-wise, the Max is 2.5X faster than faster (i9)
    based 27-inc iMac ; the Ultra comes in at 1.8x of the
    highest performing Mac Pro.

    For displays, the new one is a 27" 5K "Studio Display", at
    $1600 ... comes with VESA or a Tilt-adjustable stand; an
    "also available" Tilt & height adjustable stand is +$400.

    Looks pretty killer. Time to start saving the pennies.


    -hh
    It's a smart move since the Mac towers are so expensive. Still they would sell way more if them if they were $1500 instead of $2,000 and $4,000. Apple is now officially less evil than Google, but more evil than Microsoft.
    "Evil" for doing what, exactly?
    Ahhh I dunno. Just old biases. Google is awful, Apple and MSFT have both taken steps to protect privacy while Google has gone the other direction. I wish their stuff was more reasonably priced and it's still harder to troubleshoot issues on it than a
    Windows box. With Windows 11, OS X and Windows act more alike than different now. I may try a Studio (the cheaper one). Does it run Adobe stuff natively?

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  • From MuahMan@21:1/5 to -hh on Wed Mar 23 17:34:20 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:38:23 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 5:06:43 PM UTC-4, MuahMan wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:12:15 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    Well, Apple did finally deliver on an "xMac" -esque desktop:
    price points are $2K (M1 Max) and $4K (M1 Ultra).

    Performance-wise, the Max is 2.5X faster than faster (i9)
    based 27-inc iMac ; the Ultra comes in at 1.8x of the
    highest performing Mac Pro.

    For displays, the new one is a 27" 5K "Studio Display", at
    $1600 ... comes with VESA or a Tilt-adjustable stand; an
    "also available" Tilt & height adjustable stand is +$400.

    Looks pretty killer. Time to start saving the pennies.


    It's a smart move since the Mac towers are so expensive.
    This one is a third of the cost of the prior.
    Still they would sell way more if them if they were $1500 instead
    of $2,000 and $4,000.
    Porsche would sell more 911’s if they only cost $1500 too…but that doesn’t mean that they’re profitable for the company at that price.
    Apple is now officially less evil than Google, but more evil than Microsoft.
    Brian, you’re always finding a way to make sure that you say something stupid
    so that no one takes you seriously…and you’ve done just so once again.

    -hh
    Not even trying to be argumentative. LOL I mean without knowing I'm guessing their margins on that are 50% or higher. I don't need the power of their $10-15K towers, those are highly specialized, but I do need the power of the Studio. The low-end
    one should be $1500 and the high-end one should be $2500, and I should get a 1TB drive in both. I'd buy one tomorrow at that price, but when you hit $3-$4k... Just seems too much and too much of a risk to try. Assuming they have some sort of assembly
    line why not just crank out more and sell two times as many.

    Porsche comparison is lame. Driving a Turbo - S would give me an orgasm. No computer will ever do that. :)

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  • From Williann T T@21:1/5 to MuahMan on Thu Mar 24 00:43:53 2022
    MuahMan <muahman@gmail.com> wrote in news:1b2ab653-1c92-47bc-8268-ed983fee1ea3n@googlegroups.com:

    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:38:23 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 5:06:43 PM UTC-4, MuahMan wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:12:15 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    Well, Apple did finally deliver on an "xMac" -esque desktop:
    price points are $2K (M1 Max) and $4K (M1 Ultra).

    Performance-wise, the Max is 2.5X faster than faster (i9)
    based 27-inc iMac ; the Ultra comes in at 1.8x of the
    highest performing Mac Pro.

    For displays, the new one is a 27" 5K "Studio Display", at
    $1600 ... comes with VESA or a Tilt-adjustable stand; an
    "also available" Tilt & height adjustable stand is +$400.

    Looks pretty killer. Time to start saving the pennies.


    It's a smart move since the Mac towers are so expensive.
    This one is a third of the cost of the prior.
    Still they would sell way more if them if they were $1500 instead
    of $2,000 and $4,000.
    Porsche would sell more 911’s if they only cost $1500 tooâ€
    ¦but that
    doesn’t mean that they’re profitable for the company at t
    hat price.
    Apple is now officially less evil than Google, but more evil than
    Micro
    soft.
    Brian, you’re always finding a way to make sure that you say some
    thing stupid
    so that no one takes you seriously…and you’ve done just s
    o once again.

    -hh
    Not even trying to be argumentative. LOL I mean without knowing I'm guessing their margins on that are 50% or higher. I don't need the
    power of their $10-15K towers, those are highly specialized, but I do
    need the power of the Studio. The low-end one should be $1500 and the high-end one should be $2500, and I should get a 1TB drive in both.
    I'd buy one tomorrow at that price, but when you hit $3-$4k... Just
    seems too much and too much of a risk to try. Assuming they have
    some sort of assembly line why not just crank out more and sell two
    times as many.

    Porsche comparison is lame. Driving a Turbo - S would give me an
    orgasm. No computer will ever do that. :)


    Don't waste your time replying to the hh troll. He will drive you crazy changing the topic, moving the goal posts and quoting pages of not
    applicable statistics.
    The hh is a waste of your time.
    Send him to the bozo bin and move on.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to MuahMan on Wed Mar 23 17:53:33 2022
    On 2022-03-23 5:21 p.m., MuahMan wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 6:44:26 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-23 2:06 p.m., MuahMan wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:12:15 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    Well, Apple did finally deliver on an "xMac" -esque desktop:
    price points are $2K (M1 Max) and $4K (M1 Ultra).

    Performance-wise, the Max is 2.5X faster than faster (i9) based
    27-inc iMac ; the Ultra comes in at 1.8x of the highest
    performing Mac Pro.

    For displays, the new one is a 27" 5K "Studio Display", at
    $1600 ... comes with VESA or a Tilt-adjustable stand; an "also
    available" Tilt & height adjustable stand is +$400.

    Looks pretty killer. Time to start saving the pennies.


    -hh
    It's a smart move since the Mac towers are so expensive. Still
    they would sell way more if them if they were $1500 instead of
    $2,000 and $4,000. Apple is now officially less evil than Google,
    but more evil than Microsoft.
    "Evil" for doing what, exactly?

    Ahhh I dunno. Just old biases. Google is awful, Apple and MSFT have
    both taken steps to protect privacy while Google has gone the other direction. I wish their stuff was more reasonably priced and it's
    still harder to troubleshoot issues on it than a Windows box.

    But based on my extensive experience support both Mac and Windows users,
    I can tell you that it almost never needs troubleshooting...

    ...at least by comparison.

    With
    Windows 11, OS X and Windows act more alike than different now.

    Riiiiiiiiiiight.

    I
    may try a Studio (the cheaper one). Does it run Adobe stuff
    natively?

    In this (at least), Google is your friend:

    <https://helpx.adobe.com/download-install/kb/apple-silicon-m1-chip.html>

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to MuahMan on Thu Mar 24 11:47:37 2022
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:34:21 PM UTC-4, MuahMan wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:38:23 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 5:06:43 PM UTC-4, MuahMan wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:12:15 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    Well, Apple did finally deliver on an "xMac" -esque desktop:
    price points are $2K (M1 Max) and $4K (M1 Ultra).

    Performance-wise, the Max is 2.5X faster than faster (i9)
    based 27-inc iMac ; the Ultra comes in at 1.8x of the
    highest performing Mac Pro.

    For displays, the new one is a 27" 5K "Studio Display", at
    $1600 ... comes with VESA or a Tilt-adjustable stand; an
    "also available" Tilt & height adjustable stand is +$400.

    Looks pretty killer. Time to start saving the pennies.


    It's a smart move since the Mac towers are so expensive.

    This one is a third of the cost of the prior.

    Still they would sell way more if them if they were $1500 instead
    of $2,000 and $4,000.

    Porsche would sell more 911’s if they only cost $1500 too…but that doesn’t mean that they’re profitable for the company at that price.

    Apple is now officially less evil than Google, but more evil than Microsoft.

    Brian, you’re always finding a way to make sure that you say something stupid
    so that no one takes you seriously…and you’ve done just so once again.

    Not even trying to be argumentative. LOL I mean without knowing I'm guessing
    their margins on that are 50% or higher. I don't need the power of their $10-15K
    towers, those are highly specialized, but I do need the power of the Studio.

    I'm probably going to pick one up too. I'm currently straddling the old Cheesegrater
    and a base M1 mini for desktops... the latter mostly to modernize and risk-reduction
    and I'm expecting to drop for an M1 Max Studio ... don't need the Ultra for my photo
    centric use case.

    The low-end one should be $1500 and the high-end one should be $2500, ...

    And it shouldn't cost $3K for a rebuild a 915 transmission, but as prices go up,
    one does have to pick your fights.

    ...and I should get a 1TB drive in both.

    1TB is the minimum I'd choose for a boot drive today. For 2TB, Apple's currently
    asking +$400 for the bump from 1TB which is almost tempting ... comes down
    to the question of if the base Studio will be good for today but you want to add
    some future-proofing, does one choose to spend more in cores, RAM or SSD?
    Case in point:
    24 GPU's to 32 GPU's = +$200
    32GB to 64GB RAM = +$400
    1TB SSD to 2TB SSD = +$400

    The 'scope creep' temptation/dilemma is that its +$1K to buy all three.


    I'd buy one tomorrow at that price, but when you hit $3-$4k... Just seems too much and too much of a risk to try.


    Assuming they have some sort of assembly line why not just crank out
    more and sell two times as many.

    Same applies for why there's no new cars available for sale for $1500 today either: its costs them more to make it than the price you're asking for.


    Porsche comparison is lame. Driving a Turbo - S would give me an orgasm.
    No computer will ever do that. :)

    The fun rides these days are in the electrics with gobs of torque.

    In any event, an old aircooled 911 is very much an "analog" pre-digital age experience and the resale prices have been strong Depending how cherry
    you want, one can easily figure $50K minimum for a "mundane" 3.2 Carrera
    and for a Turbo of similar era, figure triple that.

    Case in point, a Turbo active now on BaT:

    <https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-porsche-964-turbo-3-3/>
    Current Bid: $185,000

    Meantime, I got a chance to talk with Lake Underwood Jr last fall, and
    heard his story about driving in NYC in his father's '57 356 Speedster
    and had some GT4 youngin's pull up alongside and try to harass him
    for driving a "fake!" (replica). Here's a online pic of the car from awhile ago that shows off its color pretty well:

    <https://www.facebook.com/GreenwichConcours/photos/lake-underwoods-speedster/1802180486480630/>


    -hh

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