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    From -hh@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 26 17:33:50 2021
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner,
    rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to -hh on Sun Dec 26 21:54:59 2021
    -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner,
    rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    If your existing monitors have DVI inputs and otherwise work fine, you can
    get an HDMI to DVI cable for $10 or less. I am doing this for my laptops
    and older monitors. It works fine.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Mon Dec 27 04:11:40 2021
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 10:55:06 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner,
    rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    If your existing monitors have DVI inputs and otherwise work fine, you can get an HDMI to DVI cable for $10 or less. I am doing this for my laptops
    and older monitors. It works fine.

    Hmm, that's a cheap short term option, as I have a loaner monitor that's DVI (will have to check another).

    The main challenge has been to find HDMI to Displayport (and then to mDP).


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to -hh on Mon Dec 27 05:47:24 2021
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 7:11:42 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 10:55:06 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner, rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    If your existing monitors have DVI inputs and otherwise work fine, you can get an HDMI to DVI cable for $10 or less. I am doing this for my laptops and older monitors. It works fine.

    Hmm, that's a cheap short term option, as I have a loaner monitor that's DVI (will have to check another).

    The main challenge has been to find HDMI to Displayport (and then to mDP).


    Wouldn’t hurt to got to a UPS/4K display anyway...

    What I’ve been finding so far:

    $300. Acer Nitro 28" Class UHD IPS Gaming Monitor …Model VG280K

    $360. Samsung 27" 16:9 4K/UHD IPS … model LS27A800UJNXGO
    $500. Samsung - LED monitor - 4K - 27" - HDR model: S27A804UJN

    $300. LG - 27" UHD IPS Monitor with FreeSync Model 27UK500-B
    $500. LG - 27” 4K UHD IPS LED Monitor Model LG 27BP85U-W

    $555 HP Z27k G3 - LED monitor - 4K - 27”. Model: 1B9T0AA#ABA


    Haven’t hit up any review sites yet, nor sorted out a lot of other specs… Looks like some are LED based, others aren’t.

    -hh

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  • From Stephen Carroll - fretwizzer@21:1/5 to -hh on Mon Dec 27 06:28:30 2021
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 5:11:42 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 10:55:06 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner, rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    If your existing monitors have DVI inputs and otherwise work fine, you can get an HDMI to DVI cable for $10 or less. I am doing this for my laptops and older monitors. It works fine.
    Hmm, that's a cheap short term option, as I have a loaner monitor that's DVI (will have to check another).

    The main challenge has been to find HDMI to Displayport (and then to mDP).


    -hh


    What's Mike Easter's poison for the flooding nonsense? SC? That is the only database he knows, and it is a joke. He must be abusing it to write these
    goofy "spam" idiotic threads. Best hypothesis, Mike Easter took Kelly Phillips's
    code that he stole and took credit for... he's feeding it data from the program, grabbing offensive paragraphs, then scrambling those using a Markv model and then he actively posts them because his mental health issues enables him to do that almost 24/7.

    Mike Easter calls it "trolling" him, even though he continues to elicit
    that precise retort.

    And given how often it seems that Mike Easter's .sig file is some distortion
    of a narrative Kelly Phillips shared which had been a beating on Mike Easter for something he did which was ill-considered/untrue/etc... its clearly
    a daily gesture of Mike Easter's ever-present embarrassment for having been
    so often crushed: Mike Easter is self-evidently incapable of being shown
    a mirror.

    --
    "You'll notice how quickly he loses interest when everything is about him.
    He clearly wants the attention"
    Steve Carroll, making the dumbest comment ever uttered.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to -hh on Mon Dec 27 12:16:27 2021
    On 2021-12-26 8:33 p.m., -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner,
    rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh


    What connections does your current monitor have, H?

    And remember that DVI actually comes in a variety of flavours:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface#Connector>

    As well as MiniDVI:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-DVI>

    And Micro-DVI

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro-DVI>

    But I think those two weren't found on any monitor ever.

    :-)

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Dec 27 10:06:09 2021
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 12:16:38 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-26 8:33 p.m., -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner,
    rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

    What connections does your current monitor have, H?

    Right now, the personal fleet just has two interfaces available,
    namely mDP, and VGA.

    The loaners from work can be used for testing/etc; the interfaces
    available there are: mDP, DP, & DVI--D dual link, so the only thing
    that's 'new' is the DVI-D (so a HDMI to DVI-D able would work)

    There's also HDMI available on the TVs. Been using them for some
    of the initial setup & troubleshooting ... an interesting element there
    is that one of them is small/old and IIRC limited to 720p, so the image
    from the computer looks really bad (blocky text, etc).

    And remember that DVI actually comes in a variety of flavours:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface#Connector>

    That had slipped my mind, so I had to go look it up ... DVI-D.

    Similarly, I'm aware that there's different revisions to DP and HDMI
    that I should go figure out what is/isn't important...looks like 4K/UHD
    will require at least HDMI 2.0 (w/accompanying 'Category 2' cables)
    for 60Hz, else 2.1 / Category 3 for higher refresh rates.


    -hh

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  • From Steve Carrolll@21:1/5 to -hh on Mon Dec 27 11:48:25 2021
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 11:06:11 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 12:16:38 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-26 8:33 p.m., -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner, rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

    What connections does your current monitor have, H?
    Right now, the personal fleet just has two interfaces available,
    namely mDP, and VGA.

    The loaners from work can be used for testing/etc; the interfaces
    available there are: mDP, DP, & DVI--D dual link, so the only thing
    that's 'new' is the DVI-D (so a HDMI to DVI-D able would work)

    There's also HDMI available on the TVs. Been using them for some
    of the initial setup & troubleshooting ... an interesting element there
    is that one of them is small/old and IIRC limited to 720p, so the image
    from the computer looks really bad (blocky text, etc).
    And remember that DVI actually comes in a variety of flavours:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface#Connector>
    That had slipped my mind, so I had to go look it up ... DVI-D.

    Similarly, I'm aware that there's different revisions to DP and HDMI
    that I should go figure out what is/isn't important...looks like 4K/UHD
    will require at least HDMI 2.0 (w/accompanying 'Category 2' cables)
    for 60Hz, else 2.1 / Category 3 for higher refresh rates.


    -hh


    Carroll is far too unintelligent to write a quality script. The only scripting he's ever shown he can do is automating mouse clicks. Dustin Cook: functionally illiterate fraud. Carroll is STILL fixated on exclusively himself, as
    I suggested, when it comes to the issue of puppetry. And he completely sidesteps the evidence that his "friend" has not only confessed to engaging
    in that against Snit (a real advocate) but he has said he deems it to
    be no real deal... a non-issue. No no. He never agreed to stop accusing
    good people of being like him. He lied about his trolling just as you
    would expect.


    --
    What Every Entrepreneur Must Know https://www.womply.com/biz/89a-dental-care-prescott-valley-AZ/ https://search.givewater.com/serp?q=%22narcissistic%20bigot%22
    Steve Carroll the Narcissistic Bigot

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to -hh on Mon Dec 27 17:13:18 2021
    On 2021-12-27 1:06 p.m., -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 12:16:38 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-26 8:33 p.m., -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner,
    rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

    What connections does your current monitor have, H?

    Right now, the personal fleet just has two interfaces available,
    namely mDP, and VGA.

    There's a cable for that...

    Get a $9 HDMI to Mini DisplayPort adapter:

    <https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Mini-DisplayPort-HDMI-Cable/dp/B0134V3KIA/>

    3ft, 6ft, 10ft.

    :-)


    The loaners from work can be used for testing/etc; the interfaces
    available there are: mDP, DP, & DVI--D dual link, so the only thing
    that's 'new' is the DVI-D (so a HDMI to DVI-D able would work)

    There's also HDMI available on the TVs. Been using them for some
    of the initial setup & troubleshooting ... an interesting element there
    is that one of them is small/old and IIRC limited to 720p, so the image
    from the computer looks really bad (blocky text, etc).

    And remember that DVI actually comes in a variety of flavours:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface#Connector>

    That had slipped my mind, so I had to go look it up ... DVI-D.

    Similarly, I'm aware that there's different revisions to DP and HDMI
    that I should go figure out what is/isn't important...looks like 4K/UHD
    will require at least HDMI 2.0 (w/accompanying 'Category 2' cables)
    for 60Hz, else 2.1 / Category 3 for higher refresh rates.

    I don't know what the AmazonBasics cable complies with, but it's plain
    that such things are available.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to -hh on Mon Dec 27 18:11:08 2021
    On 2021-12-27 8:47 a.m., -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 7:11:42 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 10:55:06 PM UTC-5, Bob Campbell wrote:
    -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner,
    rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    If your existing monitors have DVI inputs and otherwise work fine, you can >>> get an HDMI to DVI cable for $10 or less. I am doing this for my laptops >>> and older monitors. It works fine.

    Hmm, that's a cheap short term option, as I have a loaner monitor that's DVI >> (will have to check another).

    The main challenge has been to find HDMI to Displayport (and then to mDP). >>

    Wouldn’t hurt to got to a UPS/4K display anyway...

    What I’ve been finding so far:

    $300. Acer Nitro 28" Class UHD IPS Gaming Monitor …Model VG280K

    $360. Samsung 27" 16:9 4K/UHD IPS … model LS27A800UJNXGO
    $500. Samsung - LED monitor - 4K - 27" - HDR model: S27A804UJN

    $300. LG - 27" UHD IPS Monitor with FreeSync Model 27UK500-B
    $500. LG - 27” 4K UHD IPS LED Monitor Model LG 27BP85U-W

    $555 HP Z27k G3 - LED monitor - 4K - 27”. Model: 1B9T0AA#ABA


    Haven’t hit up any review sites yet, nor sorted out a lot of other specs… Looks like some are LED based, others aren’t.


    This article sums up what is available for Retina external displays:

    <https://www.caseyliss.com/2021/12/7/monitor-liss>

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  • From Dustin Kook@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Dec 27 15:18:41 2021
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 3:13:22 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-27 1:06 p.m., -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 12:16:38 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-26 8:33 p.m., -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner,
    rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

    What connections does your current monitor have, H?

    Right now, the personal fleet just has two interfaces available,
    namely mDP, and VGA.
    There's a cable for that...

    Get a $9 HDMI to Mini DisplayPort adapter:

    <https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Mini-DisplayPort-HDMI-Cable/dp/B0134V3KIA/>

    3ft, 6ft, 10ft.

    :-)

    The loaners from work can be used for testing/etc; the interfaces
    available there are: mDP, DP, & DVI--D dual link, so the only thing
    that's 'new' is the DVI-D (so a HDMI to DVI-D able would work)

    There's also HDMI available on the TVs. Been using them for some
    of the initial setup & troubleshooting ... an interesting element there
    is that one of them is small/old and IIRC limited to 720p, so the image from the computer looks really bad (blocky text, etc).

    And remember that DVI actually comes in a variety of flavours:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface#Connector>

    That had slipped my mind, so I had to go look it up ... DVI-D.

    Similarly, I'm aware that there's different revisions to DP and HDMI
    that I should go figure out what is/isn't important...looks like 4K/UHD will require at least HDMI 2.0 (w/accompanying 'Category 2' cables)
    for 60Hz, else 2.1 / Category 3 for higher refresh rates.
    I don't know what the AmazonBasics cable complies with, but it's plain
    that such things are available.


    You can say I am a monkey wrench for all I care. There's a few choices
    to choose from in so far as top bottom. We're all sorry Pothead's a paranoid, narcissistic, delusional liar but that's not gonna change anything <shrug>.

    Pothead is trying again to smear Trend Micro.

    Steve Carroll: Narcissistic Bigot.

    --
    Eight things to never feed your dog https://www.bing.com/search?q=Steve%20Petruzzellis%20narcissistic%20bigot Dustin Cook the functionally illiterate fraud

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  • From Stephen - frelwizzer@21:1/5 to - frelwizzer on Tue Dec 28 04:19:42 2021
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 12:48:26 PM UTC-7, Stephen - frelwizzer wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 11:06:11 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 12:16:38 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-26 8:33 p.m., -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner, rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

    What connections does your current monitor have, H?
    Right now, the personal fleet just has two interfaces available,
    namely mDP, and VGA.

    The loaners from work can be used for testing/etc; the interfaces
    available there are: mDP, DP, & DVI--D dual link, so the only thing
    that's 'new' is the DVI-D (so a HDMI to DVI-D able would work)

    There's also HDMI available on the TVs. Been using them for some
    of the initial setup & troubleshooting ... an interesting element there
    is that one of them is small/old and IIRC limited to 720p, so the image from the computer looks really bad (blocky text, etc).
    And remember that DVI actually comes in a variety of flavours:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface#Connector>
    That had slipped my mind, so I had to go look it up ... DVI-D.

    Similarly, I'm aware that there's different revisions to DP and HDMI
    that I should go figure out what is/isn't important...looks like 4K/UHD will require at least HDMI 2.0 (w/accompanying 'Category 2' cables)
    for 60Hz, else 2.1 / Category 3 for higher refresh rates.


    -hh
    Carroll is far too unintelligent to write a quality script. The only scripting
    he's ever shown he can do is automating mouse clicks. Dustin Cook: functionally
    illiterate fraud. Carroll is STILL fixated on exclusively himself, as
    I suggested, when it comes to the issue of puppetry. And he completely sidesteps the evidence that his "friend" has not only confessed to engaging in that against Snit (a real advocate) but he has said he deems it to
    be no real deal... a non-issue. No no. He never agreed to stop accusing
    good people of being like him. He lied about his trolling just as you
    would expect.


    --
    What Every Entrepreneur Must Know https://www.womply.com/biz/89a-dental-care-prescott-valley-AZ/ https://search.givewater.com/serp?q=%22narcissistic%20bigot%22
    Steve Carroll the Narcissistic Bigot


    It's trivial to cherrypick by focusing on hardly any exceptions unrepresentative
    from what is common. What a better tactic from an honest advocates standpoint are the regular usages. The most obvious answer: Alan B's consumed drugs
    since then, and 'disremembered'. Alan B is the effect of the fact that
    Liberals have been hired to be in charge of educating kids. It is not
    a coincidence that he is a foolish socialist. Alan B must know that Snit
    can go get Access, right, tweaker? And, of course, anyone can can get
    software to block his crap, which renders _his_ flooding useless, just
    like Alan B ;)

    Alan B never takes responsibility for his own words. Posts that are
    easily quoted and pointed out.


    --
    Top Six Ways Alan B Trolls!! https://www.bing.com/search?q=Steve%20Petruzzellis%20narcissistic%20bigot https://www.prescotthouse.com/professional-staff/ https://duckduckgo.com/?q=steve+carroll%3A+narcissistic+bigot
    Dustin Cook: Functionally Illiterate Fraud

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Steve Carrolll on Tue Dec 28 06:42:19 2021
    On 12/27/21 11:48 AM, Steve Carrolll wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 11:06:11 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 12:16:38 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-26 8:33 p.m., -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner,
    rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

    What connections does your current monitor have, H?
    Right now, the personal fleet just has two interfaces available,
    namely mDP, and VGA.

    The loaners from work can be used for testing/etc; the interfaces
    available there are: mDP, DP, & DVI--D dual link, so the only thing
    that's 'new' is the DVI-D (so a HDMI to DVI-D able would work)

    There's also HDMI available on the TVs. Been using them for some
    of the initial setup & troubleshooting ... an interesting element there
    is that one of them is small/old and IIRC limited to 720p, so the image
    from the computer looks really bad (blocky text, etc).
    And remember that DVI actually comes in a variety of flavours:

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface#Connector>
    That had slipped my mind, so I had to go look it up ... DVI-D.

    Similarly, I'm aware that there's different revisions to DP and HDMI
    that I should go figure out what is/isn't important...looks like 4K/UHD
    will require at least HDMI 2.0 (w/accompanying 'Category 2' cables)
    for 60Hz, else 2.1 / Category 3 for higher refresh rates.


    -hh


    Carroll is far too unintelligent to write a quality script. The only scripting
    he's ever shown he can do is automating mouse clicks. Dustin Cook: functionally
    illiterate fraud. Carroll is STILL fixated on exclusively himself, as
    I suggested, when it comes to the issue of puppetry. And he completely sidesteps the evidence that his "friend" has not only confessed to engaging in that against Snit (a real advocate) but he has said he deems it to
    be no real deal... a non-issue. No no. He never agreed to stop accusing
    good people of being like him. He lied about his trolling just as you
    would expect.


    Go away Snit.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Dec 28 17:33:52 2021
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner,
    rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

    I'm pretty happy with this one I originally bought for the MacBook:

    https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-4k-uhd-monitor-s2721q/apd/210-axlf/monitors-monitor-accessories#techspecs_section

    $375 and has 2 x HDMI and DisplayPort plus speakers. It is LCD tech.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue Dec 28 19:01:44 2021
    On 2021-12-28 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner,
    rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

    I'm pretty happy with this one I originally bought for the MacBook:

    https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-4k-uhd-monitor-s2721q/apd/210-axlf/monitors-monitor-accessories#techspecs_section

    $375 and has 2 x HDMI and DisplayPort plus speakers. It is LCD tech.

    You mean the one you were going to return...

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Dec 29 08:28:18 2021
    On 12/28/2021 7:01 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-28 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner,
    rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

    I'm pretty happy with this one I originally bought for the MacBook:

    https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-4k-uhd-monitor-s2721q/apd/210-axlf/monitors-monitor-accessories#techspecs_section


    $375 and has 2 x HDMI and DisplayPort plus speakers. It is LCD tech.

    You mean the one you were going to return...


    Interesting that my new Macbook Pro 16in has had no hardware or software problems at all. Seems to "just work".

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Dec 29 08:48:57 2021
    On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 10:01:47 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-28 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner,
    rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

    I'm pretty happy with this one I originally bought for the MacBook:

    https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-4k-uhd-monitor-s2721q/apd/210-axlf/monitors-monitor-accessories#techspecs_section

    $375 and has 2 x HDMI and DisplayPort plus speakers. It is LCD tech.
    You mean the one you were going to return...

    That was the intent until I was so enamored by the excellent MacBook HD display that I bought a Dell 9510 with the optional, and also excellent, OLED UHD display to go with the new monitor. It's just as good as the MacBook/Dell monitor combination.
    Better in some respects. At this point in life money is fading as a motive for buying stuff.

    I spent the better part of 4 days looking extensively at HP, LG, Lenovo, ASUS and Dell options. I looked at Vendor and YouTube reviews, customization options, port configuration, initial cost and warranty options. I ordered the Dell on Nov 19 and it was
    delivered on Dec 1. With it I bought the 4-year in-home warranty and kept the monitor. The monitor was ordered on November 13 and still well within the Dell 30-day no-questions-asked return window when the 9510 arrived.

    Here is a key review I watched before making the final purchase decision:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJSg38HQFxo

    Why do you seemingly have issues with someone changing their mind when confronted with new information?

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to John on Wed Dec 29 08:51:13 2021
    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 11:28:25 AM UTC-5, John wrote:
    On 12/28/2021 7:01 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-28 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor sooner,
    rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI inputs and
    it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

    I'm pretty happy with this one I originally bought for the MacBook:

    https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-4k-uhd-monitor-s2721q/apd/210-axlf/monitors-monitor-accessories#techspecs_section


    $375 and has 2 x HDMI and DisplayPort plus speakers. It is LCD tech.

    You mean the one you were going to return...
    Interesting that my new Macbook Pro 16in has had no hardware or software problems at all. Seems to "just work".

    So did mine for 15 days. Then it bricked for no apparent reason. I'm quite sure that is a very rare issue. Otherwise we would be hearing about QA/QC issues with the new M1 MacBooks.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Wed Dec 29 09:27:46 2021
    On 2021-12-29 8:48 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 10:01:47 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-28 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor
    sooner, rather than later, as none of my current ones have HDMI
    inputs and it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on startup
    to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

    I'm pretty happy with this one I originally bought for the
    MacBook:

    https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-4k-uhd-monitor-s2721q/apd/210-axlf/monitors-monitor-accessories#techspecs_section



    $375 and has 2 x HDMI and DisplayPort plus speakers. It is LCD tech.
    You mean the one you were going to return...

    That was the intent until I was so enamored by the excellent MacBook
    HD display that I bought a Dell 9510 with the optional, and also
    excellent, OLED UHD display to go with the new monitor. It's just as
    good as the MacBook/Dell monitor combination. Better in some
    respects. At this point in life money is fading as a motive for
    buying stuff.

    And you failed to realize that the external display would work with a PC
    just the way it did with a Mac.


    I spent the better part of 4 days looking extensively at HP, LG,
    Lenovo, ASUS and Dell options. I looked at Vendor and YouTube
    reviews, customization options, port configuration, initial cost and
    warranty options. I ordered the Dell on Nov 19 and it was delivered
    on Dec 1. With it I bought the 4-year in-home warranty and kept the
    monitor. The monitor was ordered on November 13 and still well within
    the Dell 30-day no-questions-asked return window when the 9510
    arrived.

    Here is a key review I watched before making the final purchase
    decision:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJSg38HQFxo

    Why do you seemingly have issues with someone changing their mind
    when confronted with new information?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Wed Dec 29 09:28:25 2021
    On 2021-12-29 8:51 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 11:28:25 AM UTC-5, John wrote:
    On 12/28/2021 7:01 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-28 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor
    sooner, rather than later, as none of my current ones have
    HDMI inputs and it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on
    startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

    I'm pretty happy with this one I originally bought for the
    MacBook:

    https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-4k-uhd-monitor-s2721q/apd/210-axlf/monitors-monitor-accessories#techspecs_section




    $375 and has 2 x HDMI and DisplayPort plus speakers. It is LCD tech.

    You mean the one you were going to return...
    Interesting that my new Macbook Pro 16in has had no hardware or
    software problems at all. Seems to "just work".

    So did mine for 15 days. Then it bricked for no apparent reason. I'm
    quite sure that is a very rare issue. Otherwise we would be hearing
    about QA/QC issues with the new M1 MacBooks.

    And rather than just get this rare issue fixed...


    ...you returned it.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Dec 29 15:20:02 2021
    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 12:28:28 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-29 8:51 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 11:28:25 AM UTC-5, John wrote:
    On 12/28/2021 7:01 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-28 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new monitor
    sooner, rather than later, as none of my current ones have
    HDMI inputs and it seems that an M1 mini is a bit fussy on
    startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

    I'm pretty happy with this one I originally bought for the
    MacBook:

    https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-4k-uhd-monitor-s2721q/apd/210-axlf/monitors-monitor-accessories#techspecs_section




    $375 and has 2 x HDMI and DisplayPort plus speakers. It is LCD tech.

    You mean the one you were going to return...
    Interesting that my new Macbook Pro 16in has had no hardware or
    software problems at all. Seems to "just work".

    So did mine for 15 days. Then it bricked for no apparent reason. I'm
    quite sure that is a very rare issue. Otherwise we would be hearing
    about QA/QC issues with the new M1 MacBooks.
    And rather than just get this rare issue fixed...


    ...you returned it.

    Due in part to another lesson or two learned. First, I've personally had some not-so-great results when major computer repairs were needed. Second, I was under the impression that the M1 Mac would run Windows 11. It would only run a crippled partially-
    functional development version. With no guaranteed path forward from that state. Together, the combination resulted in the return. Had the Mac not bricked I would be typing this reply on it anyway and hoping for a fully functional Windows 11.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Wed Dec 29 15:22:21 2021
    On 2021-12-29 3:20 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 12:28:28 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-29 8:51 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 11:28:25 AM UTC-5, John
    wrote:
    On 12/28/2021 7:01 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-28 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-5, -hh
    wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new
    monitor sooner, rather than later, as none of my current
    ones have HDMI inputs and it seems that an M1 mini is a
    bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

    I'm pretty happy with this one I originally bought for the
    MacBook:

    https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-4k-uhd-monitor-s2721q/apd/210-axlf/monitors-monitor-accessories#techspecs_section






    $375 and has 2 x HDMI and DisplayPort plus speakers. It is LCD tech.

    You mean the one you were going to return...
    Interesting that my new Macbook Pro 16in has had no hardware
    or software problems at all. Seems to "just work".

    So did mine for 15 days. Then it bricked for no apparent reason.
    I'm quite sure that is a very rare issue. Otherwise we would be
    hearing about QA/QC issues with the new M1 MacBooks.
    And rather than just get this rare issue fixed...


    ...you returned it.

    Due in part to another lesson or two learned. First, I've personally
    had some not-so-great results when major computer repairs were
    needed.

    Riiiiiiiiight.

    Second, I was under the impression that the M1 Mac would run
    Windows 11.

    So you didn't do your homework.

    Got it.

    It would only run a crippled partially-functional
    development version. With no guaranteed path forward from that state. Together, the combination resulted in the return. Had the Mac not
    bricked I would be typing this reply on it anyway and hoping for a
    fully functional Windows 11.

    So you say.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Dec 30 08:38:24 2021
    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 6:22:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-29 3:20 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 12:28:28 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-29 8:51 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 11:28:25 AM UTC-5, John
    wrote:
    On 12/28/2021 7:01 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-28 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-5, -hh
    wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new
    monitor sooner, rather than later, as none of my current
    ones have HDMI inputs and it seems that an M1 mini is a
    bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

    I'm pretty happy with this one I originally bought for the
    MacBook:

    https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-4k-uhd-monitor-s2721q/apd/210-axlf/monitors-monitor-accessories#techspecs_section






    $375 and has 2 x HDMI and DisplayPort plus speakers. It is LCD tech.

    You mean the one you were going to return...
    Interesting that my new Macbook Pro 16in has had no hardware
    or software problems at all. Seems to "just work".

    So did mine for 15 days. Then it bricked for no apparent reason.
    I'm quite sure that is a very rare issue. Otherwise we would be
    hearing about QA/QC issues with the new M1 MacBooks.
    And rather than just get this rare issue fixed...


    ...you returned it.

    Due in part to another lesson or two learned. First, I've personally
    had some not-so-great results when major computer repairs were
    needed.
    Riiiiiiiiight.
    Second, I was under the impression that the M1 Mac would run
    Windows 11.
    So you didn't do your homework.

    Got it.
    It would only run a crippled partially-functional
    development version. With no guaranteed path forward from that state. Together, the combination resulted in the return. Had the Mac not
    bricked I would be typing this reply on it anyway and hoping for a
    fully functional Windows 11.
    So you say.

    As evidence of the last part, I had ordered a UHD monitor specifically for the Mac that arrived after it bricked.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Jan 9 09:20:57 2022
    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 6:22:24 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-29 3:20 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 12:28:28 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-29 8:51 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 11:28:25 AM UTC-5, John
    wrote:
    On 12/28/2021 7:01 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-28 5:33 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 8:33:52 PM UTC-5, -hh
    wrote:
    Well, looks like I might be in the market for a new
    monitor sooner, rather than later, as none of my current
    ones have HDMI inputs and it seems that an M1 mini is a
    bit fussy on startup to prefer HDMI.

    Suggestions?

    -hh

    I'm pretty happy with this one I originally bought for the
    MacBook:

    https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-27-4k-uhd-monitor-s2721q/apd/210-axlf/monitors-monitor-accessories#techspecs_section






    $375 and has 2 x HDMI and DisplayPort plus speakers. It is LCD tech.

    You mean the one you were going to return...
    Interesting that my new Macbook Pro 16in has had no hardware
    or software problems at all. Seems to "just work".

    So did mine for 15 days. Then it bricked for no apparent reason.
    I'm quite sure that is a very rare issue. Otherwise we would be
    hearing about QA/QC issues with the new M1 MacBooks.
    And rather than just get this rare issue fixed...


    ...you returned it.

    Due in part to another lesson or two learned. First, I've personally
    had some not-so-great results when major computer repairs were
    needed.
    Riiiiiiiiight.
    Second, I was under the impression that the M1 Mac would run
    Windows 11.
    So you didn't do your homework.

    Got it.
    It would only run a crippled partially-functional
    development version. With no guaranteed path forward from that state. Together, the combination resulted in the return. Had the Mac not
    bricked I would be typing this reply on it anyway and hoping for a
    fully functional Windows 11.
    So you say.

    Lack of response to the fact that I ordered the UHD monitor for the MacBook before the MacBook failed is noted.

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