• Another M1 MacBook boot loop video found

    From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 25 10:11:20 2021
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/

    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Thu Nov 25 16:45:57 2021
    On 11/25/2021 10:11 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/

    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the components inside, it was a hardware fault."




    That was an earlier machine than yours.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to John on Thu Nov 25 18:34:01 2021
    On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 7:46:03 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
    On 11/25/2021 10:11 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/

    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    That was an earlier machine than yours.

    True, but the same issue and the same lack of any recovery options other than take in in for repair. It's also basically the same architecture scaled up. The new models have not been out there long enough for problems like this to show up unless they are
    rare.

    In my 30 years Windows experience and DOS back to 1983 I have never seen a computer fail to boot unless the hard drive had failed. Even then it got past the POST. One of my laptops was dropped, totally destroying the screen, but it would still boot to
    and external monitor. Another had a broken LCD cable, and it still booted. That experience spans IBM, Tandy, Dell, Compaq, HP, ASUS and Toshiba.

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Thu Nov 25 20:44:23 2021
    On 11/25/2021 6:34 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 7:46:03 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
    On 11/25/2021 10:11 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/ >>>
    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    That was an earlier machine than yours.

    True, but the same issue and the same lack of any recovery options other than take in in for repair. It's also basically the same architecture scaled up. The new models have not been out there long enough for problems like this to show up unless they
    are rare.

    In my 30 years Windows experience and DOS back to 1983 I have never seen a computer fail to boot unless the hard drive had failed. Even then it got past the POST. One of my laptops was dropped, totally destroying the screen, but it would still boot to
    and external monitor. Another had a broken LCD cable, and it still booted. That experience spans IBM, Tandy, Dell, Compaq, HP, ASUS and Toshiba.




    We will see how it works for me. I have one on order - expected in 3 weeks.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Fri Nov 26 15:38:07 2021
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/

    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the components inside, it was a hardware fault."


    A video which predates your claim that you had a problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Nov 27 05:49:59 2021
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/

    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you are wrong!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sat Nov 27 07:51:19 2021
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/ >>>
    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.

    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.


    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you are wrong!


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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Nov 28 19:57:15 2021
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/ >>>
    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you are wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery options if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sun Nov 28 20:06:03 2021
    On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/ >>>>>
    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you are wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery options if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.


    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Nov 30 11:13:43 2021
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:06:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/

    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you are wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery options if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?

    That a documented M1 MacBook bricking behavior has nothing to do with the M1 MacBook I bought.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Nov 30 11:19:02 2021
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:06:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/

    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you are wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery options if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?

    Read this: https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-bad-is-the-m1-macs-ssd-failure-problem/#:~:text=Your%20M1%20Mac%20may%20not%20boot%20at%20all,process%20requires%20a%20working%20SSD%20to%20boot%20macOS.

    "LOCKING DOWN THE BOOT
    To keep malware off Apple Silicon macOS (& iOS), Apple is locking down the macOS boot process. The M1 boot process requires a working SSD to boot macOS. The SSD contains a Signed System Volume that is cryptographically sealed by Apple. No seal, no
    bootable System."

    "So if the internal drive on your M1 Mac fails completely, even an external bootable drive won't boot. Yep, your Mac is bricked."

    "It's as if the hidden volumes were part of the firmware, except they aren't in firmware."

    As was pointed out earlier a system board failure is also unrecoverable from the boot menu. In any event, the M1 boot process is locked down tight.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue Nov 30 11:54:59 2021
    On 2021-11-30 11:13 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:06:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/

    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you are wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery options if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?

    That a documented M1 MacBook bricking behavior has nothing to do with the M1 MacBook I bought.


    I didn't claim that, Idiot.

    I said that a documented M1 MacBook bricking doesn't prove that yours
    did that.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue Nov 30 11:55:46 2021
    On 2021-11-30 11:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:06:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/



    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the
    components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a
    problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues that
    can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you are
    wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery options
    if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?

    Read this: https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-bad-is-the-m1-macs-ssd-failure-problem/#:~:text=Your%20M1%20Mac%20may%20not%20boot%20at%20all,process%20requires%20a%20working%20SSD%20to%20boot%20macOS.

    "LOCKING DOWN THE BOOT To keep malware off Apple Silicon macOS (&
    iOS), Apple is locking down the macOS boot process. The M1 boot
    process requires a working SSD to boot macOS. The SSD contains a
    Signed System Volume that is cryptographically sealed by Apple. No
    seal, no bootable System."

    "So if the internal drive on your M1 Mac fails completely, even an
    external bootable drive won't boot. Yep, your Mac is bricked."

    "It's as if the hidden volumes were part of the firmware, except they
    aren't in firmware."

    As was pointed out earlier a system board failure is also
    unrecoverable from the boot menu. In any event, the M1 boot process
    is locked down tight.



    None of which proves you were being honest when you claimed yours went
    into a boot loop.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Nov 30 12:10:16 2021
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:55:48 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-30 11:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:06:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/



    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the
    components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a
    problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues that
    can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you are
    wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery options
    if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?

    Read this: https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-bad-is-the-m1-macs-ssd-failure-problem/#:~:text=Your%20M1%20Mac%20may%20not%20boot%20at%20all,process%20requires%20a%20working%20SSD%20to%20boot%20macOS.

    "LOCKING DOWN THE BOOT To keep malware off Apple Silicon macOS (&
    iOS), Apple is locking down the macOS boot process. The M1 boot
    process requires a working SSD to boot macOS. The SSD contains a
    Signed System Volume that is cryptographically sealed by Apple. No
    seal, no bootable System."

    "So if the internal drive on your M1 Mac fails completely, even an
    external bootable drive won't boot. Yep, your Mac is bricked."

    "It's as if the hidden volumes were part of the firmware, except they aren't in firmware."

    As was pointed out earlier a system board failure is also
    unrecoverable from the boot menu. In any event, the M1 boot process
    is locked down tight.

    None of which proves you were being honest when you claimed yours went
    into a boot loop.

    Alan, you saw the boot loop video taken on my desk. You saw a photo of my desk with the MacBook removed. Apple took the product back outside their 14-day return policy. Explain how I could have faked all that.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue Nov 30 12:21:59 2021
    On 2021-11-30 12:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:55:48 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-30 11:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:06:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/





    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all
    the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a
    problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues
    that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you
    are wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery
    options if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?

    Read this:
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-bad-is-the-m1-macs-ssd-failure-problem/#:~:text=Your%20M1%20Mac%20may%20not%20boot%20at%20all,process%20requires%20a%20working%20SSD%20to%20boot%20macOS.



    "LOCKING DOWN THE BOOT To keep malware off Apple Silicon macOS (&
    iOS), Apple is locking down the macOS boot process. The M1 boot
    process requires a working SSD to boot macOS. The SSD contains a
    Signed System Volume that is cryptographically sealed by Apple.
    No seal, no bootable System."

    "So if the internal drive on your M1 Mac fails completely, even
    an external bootable drive won't boot. Yep, your Mac is
    bricked."

    "It's as if the hidden volumes were part of the firmware, except
    they aren't in firmware."

    As was pointed out earlier a system board failure is also
    unrecoverable from the boot menu. In any event, the M1 boot
    process is locked down tight.

    None of which proves you were being honest when you claimed yours
    went into a boot loop.

    Alan, you saw the boot loop video taken on my desk. You saw a photo
    of my desk with the MacBook removed. Apple took the product back
    outside their 14-day return policy. Explain how I could have faked
    all that.


    I saw a video you claim was taken by you.

    And Apple's return policy is 15 days, so you are continuing with your lie.

    The fact that you continue that lie explains why I don't trust a word
    you say.

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  • From Steve Carroll@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue Nov 30 18:36:38 2021
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 12:13:45 PM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:06:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/

    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you are wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery options if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?
    That a documented M1 MacBook bricking behavior has nothing to do with the M1 MacBook I bought.


    It is easy to exaggerate by bragging about hardly any special cases different from what is common. What a better tactic from an honest advocates standpoint are the expected events.

    chrisv's indictment is misplaced up front, and not true second of all.
    Is Michael Glasser AKA Snit destined to be just as much of a deceitful
    liar as chrisv is already known as being? Any horrendously wounded welfare receiver could easily do the same. Don't look now, but I think chrisv
    has a serious brocrush on Michael Glasser AKA Snit.

    Can you stop seeking for my attention?

    --
    Curious how these posts are made? https://youtu.be/hYQ4Tg0r0g0

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  • From Dustin who does stuff with miceless@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Dec 1 09:31:42 2021
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 12:55:48 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-30 11:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:06:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/



    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the
    components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a
    problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues that
    can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you are
    wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery options
    if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?

    Read this: https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-bad-is-the-m1-macs-ssd-failure-problem/#:~:text=Your%20M1%20Mac%20may%20not%20boot%20at%20all,process%20requires%20a%20working%20SSD%20to%20boot%20macOS.

    "LOCKING DOWN THE BOOT To keep malware off Apple Silicon macOS (&
    iOS), Apple is locking down the macOS boot process. The M1 boot
    process requires a working SSD to boot macOS. The SSD contains a
    Signed System Volume that is cryptographically sealed by Apple. No
    seal, no bootable System."

    "So if the internal drive on your M1 Mac fails completely, even an
    external bootable drive won't boot. Yep, your Mac is bricked."

    "It's as if the hidden volumes were part of the firmware, except they aren't in firmware."

    As was pointed out earlier a system board failure is also
    unrecoverable from the boot menu. In any event, the M1 boot process
    is locked down tight.

    None of which proves you were being honest when you claimed yours went
    into a boot loop.


    "Well, that wasn't hard" said Apd's boyfriend.

    Various individuals who have known Apd for quite a while, and also have
    a background with him highly advise ignoring him to get him to troll someplace else. As long as Snit and anyone else continues to tickle his belly, he
    will not seek an audience someplace else. Yup. Of course this is what
    we have to defeat. Jerks who have no reason for being here other than
    to attack Snit. Which do you think is the better troll? Snit or Apd?
    I vote for Apd; only because he sometimes does accept what he hears, even
    if, sadly, he forgets it sometimes moments later. Lines of text containing tells.

    --
    Puppy Videos! https://www.bing.com/search?q=dustin%20cook%20functionally%20illiterate%20fraud Dustin Cook: Functional Illiterate Fraud

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Dec 1 19:13:55 2021
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 3:22:01 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-30 12:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:55:48 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-30 11:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:06:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/





    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all
    the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a
    problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues
    that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you
    are wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery
    options if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?

    Read this:
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-bad-is-the-m1-macs-ssd-failure-problem/#:~:text=Your%20M1%20Mac%20may%20not%20boot%20at%20all,process%20requires%20a%20working%20SSD%20to%20boot%20macOS.



    "LOCKING DOWN THE BOOT To keep malware off Apple Silicon macOS (&
    iOS), Apple is locking down the macOS boot process. The M1 boot
    process requires a working SSD to boot macOS. The SSD contains a
    Signed System Volume that is cryptographically sealed by Apple.
    No seal, no bootable System."

    "So if the internal drive on your M1 Mac fails completely, even
    an external bootable drive won't boot. Yep, your Mac is
    bricked."

    "It's as if the hidden volumes were part of the firmware, except
    they aren't in firmware."

    As was pointed out earlier a system board failure is also
    unrecoverable from the boot menu. In any event, the M1 boot
    process is locked down tight.

    None of which proves you were being honest when you claimed yours
    went into a boot loop.

    Alan, you saw the boot loop video taken on my desk. You saw a photo
    of my desk with the MacBook removed. Apple took the product back
    outside their 14-day return policy. Explain how I could have faked
    all that.

    I saw a video you claim was taken by you.

    And Apple's return policy is 15 days, so you are continuing with your lie.

    The fact that you continue that lie explains why I don't trust a word
    you say.

    You are the one who lied. Apple's policy where I live is 14 days.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Wed Dec 1 19:49:50 2021
    On 2021-12-01 7:13 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 3:22:01 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-30 12:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:55:48 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-30 11:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:06:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/





    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all
    the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a
    problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues
    that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you
    are wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery
    options if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?

    Read this:
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-bad-is-the-m1-macs-ssd-failure-problem/#:~:text=Your%20M1%20Mac%20may%20not%20boot%20at%20all,process%20requires%20a%20working%20SSD%20to%20boot%20macOS.



    "LOCKING DOWN THE BOOT To keep malware off Apple Silicon macOS (&
    iOS), Apple is locking down the macOS boot process. The M1 boot
    process requires a working SSD to boot macOS. The SSD contains a
    Signed System Volume that is cryptographically sealed by Apple.
    No seal, no bootable System."

    "So if the internal drive on your M1 Mac fails completely, even
    an external bootable drive won't boot. Yep, your Mac is
    bricked."

    "It's as if the hidden volumes were part of the firmware, except
    they aren't in firmware."

    As was pointed out earlier a system board failure is also
    unrecoverable from the boot menu. In any event, the M1 boot
    process is locked down tight.

    None of which proves you were being honest when you claimed yours
    went into a boot loop.

    Alan, you saw the boot loop video taken on my desk. You saw a photo
    of my desk with the MacBook removed. Apple took the product back
    outside their 14-day return policy. Explain how I could have faked
    all that.

    I saw a video you claim was taken by you.

    And Apple's return policy is 15 days, so you are continuing with your lie. >>
    The fact that you continue that lie explains why I don't trust a word
    you say.

    You are the one who lied. Apple's policy where I live is 14 days.


    So then you're admitting you lied too...

    ...since you presented Apple's policy for online educational sales.

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  • From STALKING_TARGET_14@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 1 20:56:10 2021
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 7:36:40 PM UTC-7, STALKING_TARGET_14 wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 12:13:45 PM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:06:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/

    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you are wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery options if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?
    That a documented M1 MacBook bricking behavior has nothing to do with the M1 MacBook I bought.
    It is easy to exaggerate by bragging about hardly any special cases different from what is common. What a better tactic from an honest advocates standpoint are the expected events.

    chrisv's indictment is misplaced up front, and not true second of all.
    Is Michael Glasser AKA Snit destined to be just as much of a deceitful
    liar as chrisv is already known as being? Any horrendously wounded welfare receiver could easily do the same. Don't look now, but I think chrisv
    has a serious brocrush on Michael Glasser AKA Snit.

    Can you stop seeking for my attention?

    --
    Curious how these posts are made? https://youtu.be/hYQ4Tg0r0g0


    Having to suffer the use of AZ cryptology would just confuse the general
    user.

    His desire is to see me harmed by the spraying of the groups outside. And
    hey, that could kill this group. For the record, spending time potentially researching a problem isn't wasted time. Insisting you know more than everyone else and attempting to convince Snit that it's true, as FromTheRafters tries
    to do? That is a waste.

    Lying sack of shit AKA FromTheRafters does it every time. Then the deluge begins. Because the troll just has to run to other groups.

    I want FromTheRafters to support their spamming accusation. Let's see the quotes FromTheRafters. When I accused FromTheRafters of trolling as Snit
    I actually supported it with proof.

    --
    One Smart Penny! https://www.bing.com/search?q=Dustin%20Cook%20functional%20illiterate%20fraud Dustin Cook the functional illiterate fraud

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Dec 1 20:40:16 2021
    On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:49:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-01 7:13 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 3:22:01 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-30 12:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:55:48 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-30 11:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:06:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/





    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all
    the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a
    problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues
    that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you
    are wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery
    options if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?

    Read this:
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-bad-is-the-m1-macs-ssd-failure-problem/#:~:text=Your%20M1%20Mac%20may%20not%20boot%20at%20all,process%20requires%20a%20working%20SSD%20to%20boot%20macOS.



    "LOCKING DOWN THE BOOT To keep malware off Apple Silicon macOS (&
    iOS), Apple is locking down the macOS boot process. The M1 boot
    process requires a working SSD to boot macOS. The SSD contains a
    Signed System Volume that is cryptographically sealed by Apple.
    No seal, no bootable System."

    "So if the internal drive on your M1 Mac fails completely, even
    an external bootable drive won't boot. Yep, your Mac is
    bricked."

    "It's as if the hidden volumes were part of the firmware, except
    they aren't in firmware."

    As was pointed out earlier a system board failure is also
    unrecoverable from the boot menu. In any event, the M1 boot
    process is locked down tight.

    None of which proves you were being honest when you claimed yours
    went into a boot loop.

    Alan, you saw the boot loop video taken on my desk. You saw a photo
    of my desk with the MacBook removed. Apple took the product back
    outside their 14-day return policy. Explain how I could have faked
    all that.

    I saw a video you claim was taken by you.

    And Apple's return policy is 15 days, so you are continuing with your lie. >>
    The fact that you continue that lie explains why I don't trust a word
    you say.

    You are the one who lied. Apple's policy where I live is 14 days.

    So then you're admitting you lied too...

    ...since you presented Apple's policy for online educational sales.

    Which is exactly the same as the 14 days for all Apple U.S. sales, 14 days. Unlike you, who tried to pass off the 15 day Canadian policy as applying to my purchase.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Dec 1 20:38:40 2021
    On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:49:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-01 7:13 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 3:22:01 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-30 12:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:55:48 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-30 11:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:06:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/





    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all
    the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a
    problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues
    that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you
    are wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery
    options if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?

    Read this:
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-bad-is-the-m1-macs-ssd-failure-problem/#:~:text=Your%20M1%20Mac%20may%20not%20boot%20at%20all,process%20requires%20a%20working%20SSD%20to%20boot%20macOS.



    "LOCKING DOWN THE BOOT To keep malware off Apple Silicon macOS (&
    iOS), Apple is locking down the macOS boot process. The M1 boot
    process requires a working SSD to boot macOS. The SSD contains a
    Signed System Volume that is cryptographically sealed by Apple.
    No seal, no bootable System."

    "So if the internal drive on your M1 Mac fails completely, even
    an external bootable drive won't boot. Yep, your Mac is
    bricked."

    "It's as if the hidden volumes were part of the firmware, except
    they aren't in firmware."

    As was pointed out earlier a system board failure is also
    unrecoverable from the boot menu. In any event, the M1 boot
    process is locked down tight.

    None of which proves you were being honest when you claimed yours
    went into a boot loop.

    Alan, you saw the boot loop video taken on my desk. You saw a photo
    of my desk with the MacBook removed. Apple took the product back
    outside their 14-day return policy. Explain how I could have faked
    all that.

    I saw a video you claim was taken by you.

    And Apple's return policy is 15 days, so you are continuing with your lie. >>
    The fact that you continue that lie explains why I don't trust a word
    you say.

    You are the one who lied. Apple's policy where I live is 14 days.

    So then you're admitting you lied too...

    ...since you presented Apple's policy for online educational sales.

    Which it exactly the same as all other U.S. sales, 1

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Wed Dec 1 21:14:17 2021
    On 2021-12-01 8:38 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:49:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-01 7:13 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 3:22:01 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-30 12:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:55:48 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-30 11:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:06:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/





    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all
    the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a
    problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues
    that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer. >>>>>>>>>>>
    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you
    are wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery
    options if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?

    Read this:
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-bad-is-the-m1-macs-ssd-failure-problem/#:~:text=Your%20M1%20Mac%20may%20not%20boot%20at%20all,process%20requires%20a%20working%20SSD%20to%20boot%20macOS.



    "LOCKING DOWN THE BOOT To keep malware off Apple Silicon macOS (&
    iOS), Apple is locking down the macOS boot process. The M1 boot
    process requires a working SSD to boot macOS. The SSD contains a >>>>>>> Signed System Volume that is cryptographically sealed by Apple.
    No seal, no bootable System."

    "So if the internal drive on your M1 Mac fails completely, even
    an external bootable drive won't boot. Yep, your Mac is
    bricked."

    "It's as if the hidden volumes were part of the firmware, except >>>>>>> they aren't in firmware."

    As was pointed out earlier a system board failure is also
    unrecoverable from the boot menu. In any event, the M1 boot
    process is locked down tight.

    None of which proves you were being honest when you claimed yours
    went into a boot loop.

    Alan, you saw the boot loop video taken on my desk. You saw a photo
    of my desk with the MacBook removed. Apple took the product back
    outside their 14-day return policy. Explain how I could have faked
    all that.

    I saw a video you claim was taken by you.

    And Apple's return policy is 15 days, so you are continuing with your lie. >>>>
    The fact that you continue that lie explains why I don't trust a word
    you say.

    You are the one who lied. Apple's policy where I live is 14 days.

    So then you're admitting you lied too...

    ...since you presented Apple's policy for online educational sales.

    Which it exactly the same as all other U.S. sales, 1


    So when you read the wrong policy...

    (And don't pretend you knew it was the right policy)

    ...it's a mistake...

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  • From Stephen Carroll - frelwizen@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Dec 2 01:46:00 2021
    On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 8:49:52 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-01 7:13 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 3:22:01 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-30 12:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:55:48 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-30 11:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:06:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/





    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all
    the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a
    problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues
    that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you
    are wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery
    options if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?

    Read this:
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-bad-is-the-m1-macs-ssd-failure-problem/#:~:text=Your%20M1%20Mac%20may%20not%20boot%20at%20all,process%20requires%20a%20working%20SSD%20to%20boot%20macOS.



    "LOCKING DOWN THE BOOT To keep malware off Apple Silicon macOS (&
    iOS), Apple is locking down the macOS boot process. The M1 boot
    process requires a working SSD to boot macOS. The SSD contains a
    Signed System Volume that is cryptographically sealed by Apple.
    No seal, no bootable System."

    "So if the internal drive on your M1 Mac fails completely, even
    an external bootable drive won't boot. Yep, your Mac is
    bricked."

    "It's as if the hidden volumes were part of the firmware, except
    they aren't in firmware."

    As was pointed out earlier a system board failure is also
    unrecoverable from the boot menu. In any event, the M1 boot
    process is locked down tight.

    None of which proves you were being honest when you claimed yours
    went into a boot loop.

    Alan, you saw the boot loop video taken on my desk. You saw a photo
    of my desk with the MacBook removed. Apple took the product back
    outside their 14-day return policy. Explain how I could have faked
    all that.

    I saw a video you claim was taken by you.

    And Apple's return policy is 15 days, so you are continuing with your lie. >>
    The fact that you continue that lie explains why I don't trust a word
    you say.

    You are the one who lied. Apple's policy where I live is 14 days.

    So then you're admitting you lied too...

    ...since you presented Apple's policy for online educational sales.


    It was The Thing who got busted using untold numbers of socks over and
    over, and these are 'people' who come clearly out of the blue immediately
    into threads where he was being proved wrong... over and over for over
    a decade. Are you being like The Thing on purpose?

    I thought showing him a little generosity might help the situation. It
    did not.

    Ryan Sullivan conned The Thing as much as he deserves, big fscking deal.
    Why be a wailing prick about it?

    I just don't see the point in The Thing continuing to repeat that lie,
    when they know it's is insane. I will no longer bring up the saddest, so
    far, series of lies they've written about me in the past; because two honest experts did as I asked and told The Thing directly that they did, of course, lie about me when they talked about that event.

    Proof The Thing accuses everyone of being Snit http://sandman.net/files/snit_circus.png.

    --
    This Trick Gets Women Hot For You! <http://web.archive.org/web/20200911090855/https://www.usphonebook.com/423- 491-1448?Dustin-Cook=&Diesel=&Gremlin=> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=dustin%20cook%20functionally%20illiterate%20fraud Dustin Cook the functionally illiterate fraud

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  • From Stephen Carroll - frelwizen@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Dec 2 06:04:32 2021
    On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:14:20 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-01 8:38 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:49:52 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-01 7:13 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 3:22:01 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-30 12:10 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:55:48 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-30 11:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:06:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/





    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all >>>>>>>>>>>>> the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a
    problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues >>>>>>>>>>> that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer. >>>>>>>>>>>
    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you
    are wrong!

    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery
    options if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?

    Read this:
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-bad-is-the-m1-macs-ssd-failure-problem/#:~:text=Your%20M1%20Mac%20may%20not%20boot%20at%20all,process%20requires%20a%20working%20SSD%20to%20boot%20macOS.



    "LOCKING DOWN THE BOOT To keep malware off Apple Silicon macOS (& >>>>>>> iOS), Apple is locking down the macOS boot process. The M1 boot >>>>>>> process requires a working SSD to boot macOS. The SSD contains a >>>>>>> Signed System Volume that is cryptographically sealed by Apple. >>>>>>> No seal, no bootable System."

    "So if the internal drive on your M1 Mac fails completely, even >>>>>>> an external bootable drive won't boot. Yep, your Mac is
    bricked."

    "It's as if the hidden volumes were part of the firmware, except >>>>>>> they aren't in firmware."

    As was pointed out earlier a system board failure is also
    unrecoverable from the boot menu. In any event, the M1 boot
    process is locked down tight.

    None of which proves you were being honest when you claimed yours >>>>>> went into a boot loop.

    Alan, you saw the boot loop video taken on my desk. You saw a photo >>>>> of my desk with the MacBook removed. Apple took the product back
    outside their 14-day return policy. Explain how I could have faked >>>>> all that.

    I saw a video you claim was taken by you.

    And Apple's return policy is 15 days, so you are continuing with your lie.

    The fact that you continue that lie explains why I don't trust a word >>>> you say.

    You are the one who lied. Apple's policy where I live is 14 days.

    So then you're admitting you lied too...

    ...since you presented Apple's policy for online educational sales.

    Which it exactly the same as all other U.S. sales, 1


    So when you read the wrong policy...

    (And don't pretend you knew it was the right policy)

    ...it's a mistake...


    When will Carroll support the claim they've made multiple times recently
    about me being a Apd sock? Requesting Carroll to atone, as fruitless as it
    is, is different than quoting his duplicity. My argument was that honest
    people come here in order to attack trolls. It's not like most don't know
    what this forum is, Apd especially.

    Carroll is seven seconds away from being in Apd's kill file. Apd shared
    a specific series of pages several times now, and invited Carroll to show
    which ones aren't accurate and provide the testimony to back his assertion. Never has Carroll done so.


    -
    "You'll notice how quickly he loses interest when everything is about him.
    He clearly wants the attention"
    Steven Petruzzellis, making the dumbest comment ever uttered.

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  • From Diesel Crook@21:1/5 to Diesel Crook on Thu Dec 2 10:19:20 2021
    On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:56:11 PM UTC-7, Diesel Crook wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 7:36:40 PM UTC-7, STALKING_TARGET_14 wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 12:13:45 PM UTC-7, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:06:06 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-28 7:57 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:51:25 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-27 5:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:38:09 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-11-25 10:11 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-macbook-pro-in-boot-loop.2306909/

    Here was the solution

    "in the end Apple replaced the motherboard and all the components inside, it was a hardware fault."

    A video which predates your claim that you had a problem...

    ...so it proves nothing about your claims.

    You lie again! It proves that there are hardware issues that can make a M1 Mac boot loop. It's a precedent.
    I didn't lie, Idiot.

    It DOESN'T prove anything about your particular computer.

    You will do and say anything to not have to admit you are wrong! >>>
    Never said it did, but it's a M1 machine with no recovery options if it bricks. That's the point, idiot.

    Then what was I supposedly wrong about, Idiot?
    That a documented M1 MacBook bricking behavior has nothing to do with the M1 MacBook I bought.
    It is easy to exaggerate by bragging about hardly any special cases different
    from what is common. What a better tactic from an honest advocates standpoint
    are the expected events.

    chrisv's indictment is misplaced up front, and not true second of all.
    Is Michael Glasser AKA Snit destined to be just as much of a deceitful
    liar as chrisv is already known as being? Any horrendously wounded welfare receiver could easily do the same. Don't look now, but I think chrisv
    has a serious brocrush on Michael Glasser AKA Snit.

    Can you stop seeking for my attention?

    --
    Curious how these posts are made? https://youtu.be/hYQ4Tg0r0g0
    Having to suffer the use of AZ cryptology would just confuse the general user.

    His desire is to see me harmed by the spraying of the groups outside. And hey, that could kill this group. For the record, spending time potentially researching a problem isn't wasted time. Insisting you know more than everyone
    else and attempting to convince Snit that it's true, as FromTheRafters tries to do? That is a waste.

    Lying sack of shit AKA FromTheRafters does it every time. Then the deluge begins. Because the troll just has to run to other groups.

    I want FromTheRafters to support their spamming accusation. Let's see the quotes FromTheRafters. When I accused FromTheRafters of trolling as Snit
    I actually supported it with proof.

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    One Smart Penny! https://www.bing.com/search?q=Dustin%20Cook%20functional%20illiterate%20fraud Dustin Cook the functional illiterate fraud


    After the latest update I no longer want to gouge out my eyeballs from
    the flicker of the screen. Who doesn't know that this kind of hogwash
    is Commander Kinsey's approach, not the modus operandi of Vallor? It's
    all just nonsense... the endless posting, the sock puppets, the writing
    of drivel, the anger... the puffy red eyes and tendency to show how ashamed
    he is over being booted from the schoolyard for shitting in it again ;)
    I didn't even know Commander Kinsey already had a record of not only falsifying so called proof, but also having already been caught blatently doing it
    and trying to pass it off as like a moron. Which do you think is the
    better troll? Vallor or Commander Kinsey? I vote for Commander Kinsey;
    only because he occasionally does comprehend what he hears, even if, sadly,
    he forgets it sometimes seconds later.

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    Dustin Cook is a functional illiterate fraud

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