Hi,
There is a thread on the ROOL forum regarding Google withdrawing "Less
secure app" access. No firm conclusion seems to have been reached.
In days of yore when Gmail was simple I got several accounts for
different purposes.
I use Hermes within Netfetch to bring mail to my computer(s).
As I understand the Google help sheet, if I can find my app in their list (Hermes???), I can get a code to use instead of my current login in
password but I need 2-factor authentication to do that so presumably I
have to have my phone on but still go on line to enter the code.
Have I got this right?
Is Hermes likely to be updated in the near future so Google will be happy with it? I haven't seen any traffic on the Hermes mail list for ages.
What alternatives are there?
I have a Yahoo account on which I got their one time password when they
had a spat about insecure devices. That works OK without any other safeguards/identification. I wonder how long that will last.
My Hotmail account also still with a POP3 account and a Live.com server setting (fingers crossed) but the mem sahib has Outlook 2010 as part of Office and Hotmail have stopped that as it's insecure. Now she's waiting
for her Gmail accounts to stop working.
My John Lewis (was Waitrose) account hosted by PlusNet has no problems
So what alternatives are there? Get our own domain? That would be a bit
of a learning curve.
What other alternatives are there?
I can't be the only one in the same boat.
In message <59db47a2bbcvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
Hi,
There is a thread on the ROOL forum regarding Google withdrawing "Less secure app" access. No firm conclusion seems to have been reached.
I have two personal domains and of course the WROCC one I use. I use
20i.com for my personal domains now.
In article <5ffe8fdb59.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
In message <59db47a2bbcvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
Hi,
There is a thread on the ROOL forum regarding Google withdrawing
"Less secure app" access. No firm conclusion seems to have been
reached.
<Big snip>
I have two personal domains and of course the WROCC one I use. I use 20i.com for my personal domains now.
Thanks for the input Chris.
Next question. Which are the best domain companies to start looking at?
In article <5ffe8fdb59.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
In message <59db47a2bbcvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
Hi,
There is a thread on the ROOL forum regarding Google withdrawing "Less
secure app" access. No firm conclusion seems to have been reached.
<Big snip>
I have two personal domains and of course the WROCC one I use. I use
20i.com for my personal domains now.
Thanks for the input Chris.
Next question. Which are the best domain companies to start looking at?
In message <59dbaed9adcvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <5ffe8fdb59.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
In message <59db47a2bbcvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
Hi,
There is a thread on the ROOL forum regarding Google withdrawing
"Less secure app" access. No firm conclusion seems to have been
reached.
<Big snip>
I have two personal domains and of course the WROCC one I use. I use
20i.com for my personal domains now.
Thanks for the input Chris.
Next question. Which are the best domain companies to start looking at?
My suggestions is go for somewhere who can help you, especially if you
just want email hosting.
Orpheus Internet is an obvious one here, but I do suggest speaking to
Richard Brown - They will be at the Wakefield Show in May
XenCentric Hosting (formerly known as Purley Hosting and Spellings) run
by Neil Spellings - so knows about RISC OS as well.
Those would be my initial suggestions, you can always migrate them to
another hosting provider later.
In days of yore when Gmail was simple I got several
accounts for different purposes.
In article <59db47a2bbcvjazz@waitrose.com>, Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In days of yore when Gmail was simple I got several
accounts for different purposes.
I would dump Google after having got some other e-mail
addresses. And yes, getting your own domain, probably (as
others have suggested) via Orpheus or xenCentric (who I have
used for many years).
Once you have your own domain, even if you only have one
e-mail adress, you can set up an unlimited number of aliases
and Pluto can sort each alias into its own box.
If you feel that you need to keep the google e-mail
addresses, you can go into the Google settings and forward
all the e-mail to your new e-mail addresses.
It should also be perfectly straightforward to send your
e-mails to appear as if they have come from the google
e-mail address.
I have been doing all this for around a year now with e-mail
to/from myself @ a google-hosted domain.
In article <59db47a2bbcvjazz@waitrose.com>, Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In days of yore when Gmail was simple I got several
accounts for different purposes.
I would dump Google after having got some other e-mail
addresses. And yes, getting your own domain, probably (as
others have suggested) via Orpheus or xenCentric (who I have
used for many years).
In article <59dc073e4bsee.sig@russellhafter.me.invalid>,
Russell Hafter News <see.sig@russellhafter.me.invalid> wrote:
In article <59db47a2bbcvjazz@waitrose.com>, Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In days of yore when Gmail was simple I got several
accounts for different purposes.
I would dump Google after having got some other e-mail
addresses. And yes, getting your own domain, probably (as
others have suggested) via Orpheus or xenCentric (who I have
used for many years).
I looked at https://www.xencentrichosting.uk/ but when I went to "Our Solutions" -> "Domain Registration" there was a re-direct which I
couldn't get to work.
Orpheus site worked OK.
In article <59dd50e1c9cvjazz@waitrose.com>, Chris Newman
<cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <59dc073e4bsee.sig@russellhafter.me.invalid>, Russell
Hafter News <see.sig@russellhafter.me.invalid> wrote:
In article <59db47a2bbcvjazz@waitrose.com>, Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In days of yore when Gmail was simple I got several accounts for different purposes.
I would dump Google after having got some other e-mail addresses.
And yes, getting your own domain, probably (as others have
suggested) via Orpheus or xenCentric (who I have used for many
years).
I looked at https://www.xencentrichosting.uk/ but when I went to
"Our Solutions" -> "Domain Registration" there was a re-direct which
I couldn't get to work.
Orpheus site worked OK.
What browser were you using? You need to use a modern capable browser
on Xencentric site. For RISC OS anything less than Iris may give
problems.
In article <59dd520b99news@rjdarby.co.uk>, Richard Darby (news) <news@rjdarby.co.uk> wrote:
In article <59dd50e1c9cvjazz@waitrose.com>, Chris Newman
<cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <59dc073e4bsee.sig@russellhafter.me.invalid>, Russell
Hafter News <see.sig@russellhafter.me.invalid> wrote:
In article <59db47a2bbcvjazz@waitrose.com>, Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In days of yore when Gmail was simple I got several accounts for different purposes.
I would dump Google after having got some other e-mail addresses.
And yes, getting your own domain, probably (as others have
suggested) via Orpheus or xenCentric (who I have used for many
years).
I looked at https://www.xencentrichosting.uk/ but when I went to
"Our Solutions" -> "Domain Registration" there was a re-direct which
I couldn't get to work.
Orpheus site worked OK.
What browser were you using? You need to use a modern capable browser
on Xencentric site. For RISC OS anything less than Iris may give
problems.
Tried Iris on RISC OS and Opera on Windows.
In article <59dd52b640cvjazz@waitrose.com>, Chris Newman
<cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <59dd520b99news@rjdarby.co.uk>, Richard Darby (news) <news@rjdarby.co.uk> wrote:
In article <59dd50e1c9cvjazz@waitrose.com>, Chris Newman
<cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <59dc073e4bsee.sig@russellhafter.me.invalid>, Russell
Hafter News <see.sig@russellhafter.me.invalid> wrote:
In article <59db47a2bbcvjazz@waitrose.com>, Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In days of yore when Gmail was simple I got several accounts
for different purposes.
I would dump Google after having got some other e-mail
addresses. And yes, getting your own domain, probably (as
others have suggested) via Orpheus or xenCentric (who I have
used for many years).
I looked at https://www.xencentrichosting.uk/ but when I went to
"Our Solutions" -> "Domain Registration" there was a re-direct
which I couldn't get to work.
Orpheus site worked OK.
What browser were you using? You need to use a modern capable
browser on Xencentric site. For RISC OS anything less than Iris
may give problems.
Tried Iris on RISC OS and Opera on Windows.
Try it again today, it may have been a glitch. If no joy, email support@xencentrichosting.uk to report it to Neil.
Hi,
There is a thread on the ROOL forum regarding Google withdrawing "Less
secure app" access. No firm conclusion seems to have been reached.
In days of yore when Gmail was simple I got several accounts for
different purposes.
I use Hermes within Netfetch to bring mail to my computer(s).
As I understand the Google help sheet, if I can find my app in their list (Hermes???), I can get a code to use instead of my current login in
password but I need 2-factor authentication to do that so presumably I
have to have my phone on but still go on line to enter the code.
Have I got this right?
Is Hermes likely to be updated in the near future so Google will be happy with it? I haven't seen any traffic on the Hermes mail list for ages.
What alternatives are there?
I have a Yahoo account on which I got their one time password when they
had a spat about insecure devices. That works OK without any other safeguards/identification. I wonder how long that will last.
My Hotmail account also still with a POP3 account and a Live.com server setting (fingers crossed) but the mem sahib has Outlook 2010 as part of Office and Hotmail have stopped that as it's insecure. Now she's waiting
for her Gmail accounts to stop working.
My John Lewis (was Waitrose) account hosted by PlusNet has no problems
So what alternatives are there? Get our own domain? That would be a bit
of a learning curve.
What other alternatives are there?
I can't be the only one in the same boat.
On 19 Apr cvjazz@waitrose.com wrote:
There is a thread on the ROOL forum regarding Google withdrawing "Less secure app" access. No firm conclusion seems to have been reached.
I know this has been discussed here and elsewhere and I have that same problem, using Messenger and Netfetch with a Google email account.
What is the summary answer, please? Google are still pushing this as something
they will do imminently - like in a few weeks. So is this something a
change in RISCOS/ RComp software is planning to deal with?
a) If so, can we expect modified software to be made available soon?
b) Or, has a step by step alternative been produced?
On 30 Apr 2022 as I do recall, Chris Newman wrote:
[snip]
As I understand it, if you wish to keep accessing Google on older
(Less secure?) kit you will need to get a new password to put in to
your mail transport prog. This only needs to be done once unless you
have some sort of catastrophic failure of your set up. Presumably
even then, if you've saved it, you can re-insert. You can still log
in online with your original password. Then each time you connect
with said older kit, you will have to get a 2 factor code from them. Whether that arrives by phone, mail or what I know not.
Ouch. So *every single time* your mail transport tries to fetch fromSeemingly, its not as bad as I thought. You won't need to confirm every
your inbox, you will have to manually confirm your identity... i.e.
every twenty minutes or so?
Sign into your Google account.
Select "Security" in the left hand menu.
You may have to keep signing back into you account to verify it's you
during the process.
Follow instructions to enable 2-step verification.
You will need a phone for the set up as they send you a code. I had one listed with them as I have an Android phone which needs the ridiculously named "PlayStore."
On 19 Apr cvjazz@waitrose.com wrote:
Hi,
There is a thread on the ROOL forum regarding Google withdrawing "Less
secure app" access. No firm conclusion seems to have been reached.
In days of yore when Gmail was simple I got several accounts for
different purposes.
I use Hermes within Netfetch to bring mail to my computer(s).
As I understand the Google help sheet, if I can find my app in their list
(Hermes???), I can get a code to use instead of my current login in
password but I need 2-factor authentication to do that so presumably I
have to have my phone on but still go on line to enter the code.
Have I got this right?
Is Hermes likely to be updated in the near future so Google will be happy
with it? I haven't seen any traffic on the Hermes mail list for ages.
What alternatives are there?
I have a Yahoo account on which I got their one time password when they
had a spat about insecure devices. That works OK without any other
safeguards/identification. I wonder how long that will last.
My Hotmail account also still with a POP3 account and a Live.com server
setting (fingers crossed) but the mem sahib has Outlook 2010 as part of
Office and Hotmail have stopped that as it's insecure. Now she's waiting
for her Gmail accounts to stop working.
My John Lewis (was Waitrose) account hosted by PlusNet has no problems
So what alternatives are there? Get our own domain? That would be a bit
of a learning curve.
What other alternatives are there?
I can't be the only one in the same boat.
I know this has been discussed here and elsewhere and I have that same problem,
using Messenger and Netfetch with a Google email account.
What is the summary answer, please? Google are still pushing this as something
they will do imminently - like in a few weeks. So is this something a
change in
RISCOS/ RComp software is planning to deal with?
a) If so, can we expect modified software to be made available soon?
b) Or, has a step by step alternative been produced?
b) Do I have to drop gmail and have all the hassle that entails? I've used POP3
for so long and don't want webmail, because of being stuck with their appalling
email management software.
On 16 May 2022 as I do recall,[snip]
Barry Punchard wrote:
I know this has been discussed here and elsewhere and I have that same problem, using Messenger and Netfetch with a Google email account.[SNIP]
What is the summary answer, please? Google are still pushing this as something
they will do imminently - like in a few weeks. So is this something a
change in RISCOS/ RComp software is planning to deal with?
[SNIP]
b) Or, has a step by step alternative been produced?
Chris Newman posted a step-by-step alternative in
---------- Begin forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 00:20:12 +0100
From: Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.networking
Subject: Re: Google and the end of May
In article <6da978e159.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>, Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2022 as I do recall, Chris Newman wrote:
[snip]
As I understand it, if you wish to keep accessing Google on older
(Less secure?) kit you will need to get a new password to put in to
your mail transport prog. This only needs to be done once unless you
have some sort of catastrophic failure of your set up. Presumably
even then, if you've saved it, you can re-insert. You can still log
in online with your original password. Then each time you connect
with said older kit, you will have to get a 2 factor code from them. Whether that arrives by phone, mail or what I know not.
Ouch. So *every single time* your mail transport tries to fetch fromSeemingly, its not as bad as I thought. You won't need to confirm every
your inbox, you will have to manually confirm your identity... i.e.
every twenty minutes or so?
time.
Thanks to an article in Computer Active magazine, I've sorted the first
of my Google accounts.
I've tried to make an idiot's guide. Herewith....
2 factor authentication for "insecure" apps.
Sign into your Google account.
Select "Security" in the left hand menu.
You may have to keep signing back into you account to verify it's you
during the process.
Follow instructions to enable 2-step verification.
You will need a phone for the set up as they send you a code. I had one listed with them as I have an Android phone which needs the ridiculously named "PlayStore."
You can ignore the bits about further safety measures.
Go back to "Security" page.
With a bit of searching you should see a new option "App Passwords"
Select "Mail" in the "Select App" drop down menu no matter what app/client/transport you are using.
In the "Select device" menu, choose the device you want to access gmail
on. I chose other and when asked, called it Hermes.
Select "Generate" to get you 16 digit password which appears in a
yellowish box.
Enter this in your email/transport client in place of you old code.
You should only have to do this once but keep a copy of the code in case
of disasters. If the worst comes to the worst, you can get Google to
generate a new one.
You may have to do a capcha or get another code. I was so confused, I slightly disremember the order of events.
Then all should work.
When I accessed my Google account on-line it was my original password
that was needed. I had to get a code to log in the first time but there
is a "Don't ask again on this device" box to tick to prevent that each
time you login in future.
How does it know my device? IP address, MAC address?
In message <406d61e959.barry.punchard@barry.gmail.com>
Barry Punchard <barry.punchard@gmail.com> wrote:
On 19 Apr cvjazz@waitrose.com wrote:
Hi,
There is a thread on the ROOL forum regarding Google withdrawing "Less
secure app" access. No firm conclusion seems to have been reached.
In days of yore when Gmail was simple I got several accounts for
different purposes.
I use Hermes within Netfetch to bring mail to my computer(s).
As I understand the Google help sheet, if I can find my app in their list >> (Hermes???), I can get a code to use instead of my current login in
password but I need 2-factor authentication to do that so presumably I
have to have my phone on but still go on line to enter the code.
Have I got this right?
Is Hermes likely to be updated in the near future so Google will be happy >> with it? I haven't seen any traffic on the Hermes mail list for ages.
What alternatives are there?
I have a Yahoo account on which I got their one time password when they
had a spat about insecure devices. That works OK without any other
safeguards/identification. I wonder how long that will last.
My Hotmail account also still with a POP3 account and a Live.com server
setting (fingers crossed) but the mem sahib has Outlook 2010 as part of
Office and Hotmail have stopped that as it's insecure. Now she's waiting >> for her Gmail accounts to stop working.
My John Lewis (was Waitrose) account hosted by PlusNet has no problems
So what alternatives are there? Get our own domain? That would be a bit
of a learning curve.
What other alternatives are there?
I can't be the only one in the same boat.
I know this has been discussed here and elsewhere and I have that same problem,
using Messenger and Netfetch with a Google email account.
What is the summary answer, please? Google are still pushing this as something
they will do imminently - like in a few weeks. So is this something a change in
RISCOS/ RComp software is planning to deal with?
a) If so, can we expect modified software to be made available soon?
R-Comp are aware and looking at options, but it should still work
afterwards anyway by changing to an 'application password' generated by Google, rather then your own.
b) Or, has a step by step alternative been produced?
One has been published in these lists, and on ArchiveOnline
b) Do I have to drop gmail and have all the hassle that entails? I've used POP3
for so long and don't want webmail, because of being stuck with their appalling
email management software.
Although I do have a gmail account mainly as a backup. I have my own
domains so I control my email not Google or my ISP.
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