The only thing remaining to sort out is the Phone.
I'm looking for a suitable ATA to connect to the Router and wondered if anyone here might have a suitable product in mind or even in use?
Looking online, there's a number of 'em about, but which one...?
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
The only thing remaining to sort out is the Phone.
I'm looking for a suitable ATA to connect to the Router and wondered if anyone here might have a suitable product in mind or even in use?
Looking online, there's a number of 'em about, but which one...?
What kind of phone do you want to connect?
Which service are you connecting to?
For wired phones I have a Sipura/Linksys/Cisco PAP2T which can provide
two separate phone lines/numbers via two analogue phone ports. I used
this for several years and it worked fine. As it happens I don't need
it so it's for sale for 25 pounds + postage, including the RJ11 to BT
socket adapters. (email address above works)
I think the web interface might work with a RISC OS browser, if you're interested I can check. Some of the settings can be done by dialling
numbers on a phone handset.
For DECT cordless I use a Gigaset N300A-IP base station and Gigaset
C430H handsets. This is a direct DECT to IP converter, ie there's no analogue signal path, although it can also plug into an analogue socket
as well and you can set a 'dialplan' to route calls a particular way (eg
to the cheapest for a particular number). The 'A' suffix means it has
an answering machine and works nicely with the Gigaset handsets. It can support up to 6 lines/numbers (and calls can be concurrent).
I use both with Andrews and Arnold. I also used to use the PAP2T with Sipgate.
Theo
Thanks Theo...
I think my brain just had a short circuit... ;-)
I know very little about using the/a network to connect with a phone.
I just assumed... Connect an ATA to the Router, plug in the phone, a bit
of configuration then it'd carry on as before.
Bog standard BT phone, account and line, and I'm thinking of something
simple like 'Grandstream HT801".
If BT is providing the phone and broadband service, it's locked down so
it'll only work with the phone port on their router (or via DECT cordless, if the router has DECT). You don't need a separate ATA, but on the other hand you can't change the router if you want to use the phone.
If the line has no broadband on it at all, I think BT will enable broadband and send you a router and it then proceeds as above.
If BT is providing the phone and somebody else (eg Orpheus) providing the broadband, then it depends whether BT will tell you the login credentials to enter into an ATA. From what I've heard they may send out an ATA preconfigured for your account, but you aren't allowed to find out the credentials to use a different one.
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
If BT is providing the phone and broadband service, it's locked down
so it'll only work with the phone port on their router (or via DECT cordless, if the router has DECT). You don't need a separate ATA, but
on the other hand you can't change the router if you want to use the
phone.
If the line has no broadband on it at all, I think BT will enable
broadband and send you a router and it then proceeds as above.
If BT is providing the phone and somebody else (eg Orpheus) providing
the broadband, then it depends whether BT will tell you the login credentials to enter into an ATA. From what I've heard they may send
out an ATA preconfigured for your account, but you aren't allowed to
find out the credentials to use a different one.
I forgot to mention a fourth case, where Orpheus provide both phone and internet. I can't see any mention on their site about phones.
What has been reported to be happening with other ISPs (eg IDnet) is
that they just subcontract the phone service to BT, and then all the
above restrictions apply. At Zen they previously let you find out the
SIP credentials so you could use an ATA, but now they don't so you have
to use their router.
It is possible Orpheus have their own SIP VOIP platform and will tell
you the credentials, in which case you can use your own ATA. If you pay Orpheus for your phone service I would start by asking them what the situation is.
Theo
In article <7vf*OFMnz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
If BT is providing the phone and broadband service, it's locked
down so it'll only work with the phone port on their router (or
via DECT cordless, if the router has DECT). You don't need a
separate ATA, but on the other hand you can't change the router
if you want to use the phone.
If the line has no broadband on it at all, I think BT will enable broadband and send you a router and it then proceeds as above.
If BT is providing the phone and somebody else (eg Orpheus)
providing the broadband, then it depends whether BT will tell you
the login credentials to enter into an ATA. From what I've heard
they may send out an ATA preconfigured for your account, but you
aren't allowed to find out the credentials to use a different
one.
I forgot to mention a fourth case, where Orpheus provide both phone
and internet. I can't see any mention on their site about phones.
What has been reported to be happening with other ISPs (eg IDnet) is
that they just subcontract the phone service to BT, and then all the
above restrictions apply. At Zen they previously let you find out
the SIP credentials so you could use an ATA, but now they don't so
you have to use their router.
It is possible Orpheus have their own SIP VOIP platform and will
tell you the credentials, in which case you can use your own ATA.
If you pay Orpheus for your phone service I would start by asking
them what the situation is.
Theo
The only things BT supply at the moment are the FTTC and the old
Copper wire from the cabinet pole to the house, plus the phone
account.
Orpheus supplies the Broadband and domain hosting.
Mnnn!
So it's not as simple as the BT support person I spoke to on the
phone a few days ago, suggested.
Thanks for the info and advice Theo, appreciated.
Thanks for the info and advice Theo, appreciated.
Dave
Made an executive decision a few moments ago. Ooer!
Having done more research online, the BT telephone change thing is an
awful mess...
I shall cease and desist... I'm going to forget about until it happens,
then they, BT can do the work.
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
Made an executive decision a few moments ago. Ooer!
Having done more research online, the BT telephone change thing is an
awful mess...
I shall cease and desist... I'm going to forget about until it happens,
then they, BT can do the work.
That's what I would do.
The main thing here is a switch from landline phone 'line rental' being the bedrock of your connection with broadband being run over the top, to broadband being the bedrock with phone being a service run over the top,
like email is today.
This change is relatively inconsequential for most people who take phone and broadband from the same company (the company can easily do the switch), but it's more complicated for those who take them from different - they can't swap one kind of bedrock for another as they're different companies.
In article <5ad3aaa352dave@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
Made an executive decision a few moments ago. Ooer!
Having done more research online, the BT telephone change thing is an
awful mess...
I shall cease and desist... I'm going to forget about until it
happens, then they, BT can do the work.
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