HI,
IIRC there is a way of finding out the IP addresses of devices connected
to a RISC OS m/c but for the life of me I can't remember what it was or
where I wrote it down. Can anyone help please?

--
Chris Newman

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Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

HI,
IIRC there is a way of finding out the IP addresses of devices connected
to a RISC OS m/c but for the life of me I can't remember what it was or
where I wrote it down. Can anyone help please?

Try *arp -a

Theo

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In article <huk*67XCy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

HI, IIRC there is a way of finding out the IP addresses of devices connected to a RISC OS m/c but for the life of me I can't remember
what it was or where I wrote it down. Can anyone help please?

Try *arp -a

Or possibly *inetstat

(*arp -a tells you the IP addresses of everything the machine knows
about, *inetstat tells you what has open TCP connections right now or
has recently closed, including their ports)

Thanks, Theo. That was exciting. Lots of stuff to look at. Now to see
what I recognize and what matches what. Much obliged.

--
Chris Newman

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Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

HI,
IIRC there is a way of finding out the IP addresses of devices connected
to a RISC OS m/c but for the life of me I can't remember what it was or where I wrote it down. Can anyone help please?

Try *arp -a

Or possibly *inetstat

(*arp -a tells you the IP addresses of everything the machine knows about, *inetstat tells you what has open TCP connections right now or has recently closed, including their ports)

Theo

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In article <59a27e6d5ccvjazz@waitrose.com>,
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

In article <huk*67XCy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

HI, IIRC there is a way of finding out the IP addresses of
devices connected to a RISC OS m/c but for the life of me I
can't remember what it was or where I wrote it down. Can
anyone help please?

Try *arp -a

Or possibly *inetstat

(*arp -a tells you the IP addresses of everything the machine
knows about, *inetstat tells you what has open TCP connections
right now or has recently closed, including their ports)

Thanks, Theo. That was exciting. Lots of stuff to look at. Now to
see what I recognize and what matches what. Much obliged.

The original question did not seem to clarify if you wanted the
- WAN Internet IP that RISC OS apps are connected to
*inetstat gives these
- LAN local IP that RISC OS knows about
*arp -a gives these
*fwshow gives discs and hosts connected using ShareFS
- LAN local IP that are connected to your network
If you have a phone or tablet then WiFiMan or one of the many
other similar apps can list all LAN devices. (iStuff may be more
restricted)

--
Martin Avison
Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
without notice if (when) any spam is received.

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On 29/12/2021 19:26, Dave wrote:

How confusing... RISC OS 6.20

Here *arp -a Displays "route-sysctl-estimate"

*inetstat Displays "kvm_nlist:"

I have no idea what either of those mean?

Try posting the full output.

---druck

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In article <59a27e6d5ccvjazz@waitrose.com>,
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

In article <huk*67XCy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

HI, IIRC there is a way of finding out the IP addresses of devices connected to a RISC OS m/c but for the life of me I can't remember
what it was or where I wrote it down. Can anyone help please?

Try *arp -a

Or possibly *inetstat

(*arp -a tells you the IP addresses of everything the machine knows
about, *inetstat tells you what has open TCP connections right now or
has recently closed, including their ports)

Thanks, Theo. That was exciting. Lots of stuff to look at. Now to see
what I recognize and what matches what. Much obliged.

How confusing... RISC OS 6.20

Here *arp -a Displays "route-sysctl-estimate"

*inetstat Displays "kvm_nlist:"

I have no idea what either of those mean?


Not confusing is...

*fwshow Displays

"No remote nets

Type 1: (Discs)
*Name=Public Holder=192.168.0.4
*Name=VRPCD-620BF Holder=192.168.0.4
*Name=DRamDisc Holder=192.168.0.4
Name=FVRPC Holder=192.168.0.3

Type 2: (Printers)

Type 5: (Hosts)
*Name=Blackfan Holder=192.168.0.4"

That is correct.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

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In article <sqids0$gfd$1@dont-email.me>,
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 29/12/2021 19:26, Dave wrote:

How confusing... RISC OS 6.20

Here *arp -a Displays "route-sysctl-estimate"

*inetstat Displays "kvm_nlist:"

I have no idea what either of those mean?

Try posting the full output.

---druck

That is all I get...

What else should I get?

Dave

Straight out of the Task window.

*arp -a
route-sysctl-estimate
*
*inetstat
InetStat: kvm_nlist:
*

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Dave Triffid

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Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

That is all I get...

What else should I get?

Dave

Straight out of the Task window.

*arp -a
route-sysctl-estimate
*
*inetstat
InetStat: kvm_nlist:
*

I think you're on VRPC? That doesn't have a RISC OS network stack, it just piggybacks on Windows'. Hence commands for talking to the RISC OS network stack don't work.

Theo

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In article <fuk*xwZCy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

That is all I get...

What else should I get?

Dave

Straight out of the Task window.

*arp -a
route-sysctl-estimate
*
*inetstat
InetStat: kvm_nlist:
*

I think you're on VRPC? That doesn't have a RISC OS network stack, it
just piggybacks on Windows'. Hence commands for talking to the RISC OS network stack don't work.

Theo

Yes indeed it is VRPC.

I've now just run my old hardware SARPC (RISC OS 6.20) and get a different result for *arp -a

*arp -a
router (192.168.0.1) at e8:48: Redacted.
faypc (192.168.0.3) at 94:de: Redacted.
blackfan (192.168.0.4) at 1c:1b: Redacted.
? (192.168.0.255) at (incomplete)
*
*inetstat
*
*fwshow
No remote nets

Type 1: (Discs)
*Name=Dave Holder=192.168.0.6
Name=Public Holder=192.168.0.4
Name=VRPCD-620BF Holder=192.168.0.4
Name=DRamDisc Holder=192.168.0.4

Type 2: (Printers)

Type 5: (Hosts)
*Name=dave Holder=192.168.0.6
Name=Blackfan Holder=192.168.0.4
*


Dave

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Dave Triffid

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In article <59a2d2d972dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk>
wrote:

In article <fuk*xwZCy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

That is all I get...

What else should I get?

Dave

Straight out of the Task window.

*arp -a route-sysctl-estimate * *inetstat InetStat: kvm_nlist: *

I think you're on VRPC? That doesn't have a RISC OS network stack,
it just piggybacks on Windows'. Hence commands for talking to the
RISC OS network stack don't work.

Theo

Yes indeed it is VRPC.

I've now just run my old hardware SARPC (RISC OS 6.20) and get a
different result for *arp -a

*arp -a router (192.168.0.1) at e8:48: Redacted. faypc (192.168.0.3) at 94:de: Redacted. blackfan (192.168.0.4) at 1c:1b: Redacted. ? (192.168.0.255) at (incomplete) * *inetstat * *fwshow No remote nets

Oooer! I seem to have opened a little thread for discussion (AKA minnie
can of worms).

What does redacted mean? Is there a big black line through it like
government documents?

I also got some marked "incomplete". What does that mean?

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Chris Newman

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Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

Oooer! I seem to have opened a little thread for discussion (AKA minnie
can of worms).

What does redacted mean? Is there a big black line through it like
government documents?

I think that just means Dave removed some of the information to avoid
posting the exact MAC addresses on his system (which aren't a major privacy risk in general, but fair enough)

I also got some marked "incomplete". What does that mean?

*arp -a just gives a dump of the ARP cache - the mappings of IPs to MACs
that the machine has used recently.

'Incomplete' means the system tried to do an ARP request for a particular IP but the ARP request failed. For example, you tried to talk to a machine
that is turned off - you wanted to talk to 192.168.1.33 so your machine
tried to work out what MAC address has that by issuing an ARP request. But
the machine was turned off, so your machine opened the entry in the ARP
table but nobody replied with a MAC address to fill it in. Similarly
broadcast addresses won't have anyone reply to the ARP request because there isn't a real machine at that address.

Theo

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In article <guk*ia3Cy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

Oooer! I seem to have opened a little thread for discussion (AKA minnie
can of worms).

What does redacted mean? Is there a big black line through it like government documents?

I think that just means Dave removed some of the information to avoid
posting the exact MAC addresses on his system (which aren't a major
privacy risk in general, but fair enough)

I also got some marked "incomplete". What does that mean?

*arp -a just gives a dump of the ARP cache - the mappings of IPs to MACs
that the machine has used recently.

'Incomplete' means the system tried to do an ARP request for a
particular IP but the ARP request failed. For example, you tried to
talk to a machine that is turned off - you wanted to talk to
192.168.1.33 so your machine tried to work out what MAC address has that
by issuing an ARP request. But the machine was turned off, so your
machine opened the entry in the ARP table but nobody replied with a MAC address to fill it in. Similarly broadcast addresses won't have anyone
reply to the ARP request because there isn't a real machine at that
address.

Theo

Thanks Theo the precise answers.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

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In article <59a2f5f274cvjazz@waitrose.com>,
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

In article <59a2d2d972dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk>
wrote:

In article <fuk*xwZCy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

That is all I get...

What else should I get?

Dave

Straight out of the Task window.

*arp -a route-sysctl-estimate * *inetstat InetStat: kvm_nlist: *

I think you're on VRPC? That doesn't have a RISC OS network stack,
it just piggybacks on Windows'. Hence commands for talking to the
RISC OS network stack don't work.

Theo

Yes indeed it is VRPC.

I've now just run my old hardware SARPC (RISC OS 6.20) and get a
different result for *arp -a

*arp -a router (192.168.0.1) at e8:48: Redacted.
faypc (192.168.0.3) at 94:de: Redacted.
blackfan (192.168.0.4) at 1c:1b: Redacted.
(192.168.0.255) at (incomplete)

Oooer! I seem to have opened a little thread for discussion (AKA minnie
can of worms).

What does redacted mean? Is there a big black line through it like
government documents?

I also got some marked "incomplete". What does that mean?

Chris, Theo has answered concisely... but one expansion...

It is somewhat difficult in an email to black line out some text/numerics,
so to indicate I had removed some of the MAC data for each device
(Security) I replaced the missing with "Redacted".

Dave

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Dave Triffid

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In article <59a2ffb984dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk>
wrote:

What does redacted mean? Is there a big black line through it like government documents?

I also got some marked "incomplete". What does that mean?

Chris, Theo has answered concisely... but one expansion...

It is somewhat difficult in an email to black line out some
text/numerics, so to indicate I had removed some of the MAC data for
each device (Security) I replaced the missing with "Redacted".

I did ask tongue in cheek. I should have added a smiley. ;-)

--
Chris Newman

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In article <59a281f9d7News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>, Martin <URL:mailto:News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

In article <59a27e6d5ccvjazz@waitrose.com>,
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

In article <huk*67XCy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

HI, IIRC there is a way of finding out the IP addresses of
devices connected to a RISC OS m/c but for the life of me I
can't remember what it was or where I wrote it down. Can
anyone help please?

Try *arp -a

Or possibly *inetstat

(*arp -a tells you the IP addresses of everything the machine
knows about, *inetstat tells you what has open TCP connections
right now or has recently closed, including their ports)

Thanks, Theo. That was exciting. Lots of stuff to look at. Now to
see what I recognize and what matches what. Much obliged.

The original question did not seem to clarify if you wanted the
- WAN Internet IP that RISC OS apps are connected to
*inetstat gives these
- LAN local IP that RISC OS knows about
*arp -a gives these
*fwshow gives discs and hosts connected using ShareFS
- LAN local IP that are connected to your network
If you have a phone or tablet then WiFiMan or one of the many
other similar apps can list all LAN devices. (iStuff may be more
restricted)

Also if you can get to the relevant page your router will give various information about what is connected to it.


Chris Evans

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