• BT Router USB facility

    From John Williams (News)@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 23 09:36:21 2020
    My BT router has a USB port (as did my old Orange one in France) into which
    one can plug a USB stick.

    My (Android) tablet can show this in its filer app, and contents can be
    read and written.

    Can RISC OS connect with this? Perhaps using LanMan or some other
    networking app?

    If so, it could be very useful for transferring files.

    John

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk on Thu Apr 23 14:35:23 2020
    In message <58659e09f7UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>
    "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


    My BT router has a USB port (as did my old Orange one in France) into which one can plug a USB stick.

    My (Android) tablet can show this in its filer app, and contents can be
    read and written.

    Can RISC OS connect with this? Perhaps using LanMan or some other
    networking app?

    If so, it could be very useful for transferring files.

    I connected an old spinning rust HDD into my SmartHub 6 (you don't say
    which model of router you have) and could see the directory contents
    via LanMan98, but transferring a large file resulted in malfunctions.
    There's something about it in the ROOL fora.

    I'd be very interested to know if it works for you any better than it
    worked for me. I've also got some more findings that I should make
    public, as it looks like there's some problem somewhere in the RO end
    of things.

    David

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  • From John Williams (News)@21:1/5 to David Higton on Thu Apr 23 20:06:59 2020
    In article <c26ab96558.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    connected an old spinning rust HDD into my SmartHub 6 (you don't say
    which model of router you have) and could see the directory contents
    via LanMan98, but transferring a large file resulted in malfunctions.
    There's something about it in the ROOL fora.

    I'd be very interested to know if it works for you

    The hub is: apparently BTHub6.

    So how do you access your disc?

    John

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  • From Doug Webb@21:1/5 to UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk on Thu Apr 23 20:50:11 2020
    In message <5865d7c6aeUCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>
    "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <c26ab96558.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    connected an old spinning rust HDD into my SmartHub 6 (you don't say
    which model of router you have) and could see the directory contents
    via LanMan98, but transferring a large file resulted in malfunctions.
    There's something about it in the ROOL fora.

    I'd be very interested to know if it works for you

    The hub is: apparently BTHub6.

    So how do you access your disc?

    John

    From the BT Forums

    "I just mapped a drive to \\192.168.1.254\usb1, and it worked fine"

    Be aware of power requirements of the drive and also it appears that the
    Hub only supports SMB1.

    "It appears the BT Hub 6 is using SMBv1 which is an obsolete and unsafe protocol which is disabled in modern versions of Windows."

    Now RISC OS I can understand but a product released in the last 5 years
    does make you question things but then again I suppose they supply a Hub
    not a NAS :-)



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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk on Thu Apr 23 20:50:44 2020
    In message <5865d7c6aeUCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>
    "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <c26ab96558.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    connected an old spinning rust HDD into my SmartHub 6 (you don't say
    which model of router you have) and could see the directory contents via LanMan98, but transferring a large file resulted in malfunctions. There's something about it in the ROOL fora.

    I'd be very interested to know if it works for you

    The hub is: apparently BTHub6.

    So how do you access your disc?

    LanMan98. The drive's name is "shared_disk" (thanks, BT, for not telling
    us /anywhere/ in the hub's web pages or Help). There is no user name or password.

    I had to find the drive name using Linux.

    I don't know what disc formats the hub understands. I formatted it as
    FAT32 to give what I thought was best portability.

    Do let us all know how you get on. I was able to get a directory
    listing, and to write a file to it, but reading anything using RISC OS
    just seems to result in errors. It's readable and writable just fine
    in Ubuntu, of course.

    David

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  • From Doug Webb@21:1/5 to David Higton on Thu Apr 23 20:55:19 2020
    In message <d2c7db6558.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:


    LanMan98. The drive's name is "shared_disk" (thanks, BT, for not telling
    us /anywhere/ in the hub's web pages or Help). There is no user name or password.

    That would be because it is not a supported feature.

    I had to find the drive name using Linux.

    I don't know what disc formats the hub understands. I formatted it as
    FAT32 to give what I thought was best portability.

    Do let us all know how you get on. I was able to get a directory
    listing, and to write a file to it, but reading anything using RISC OS
    just seems to result in errors. It's readable and writable just fine
    in Ubuntu, of course.

    You could try changing the following in LanMan98's !Run file:

    | The following line tells LanMan98 to use raw read requests for speed if
    the
    | server claims to support it. Some NAS, and Windows Vista claim to
    support
    | it, but actually fail to do so. If you have problems with your
    connections
    | comment the following line out to make LanMan98 avoid raw reads in all
    | cases.

    Set LanMan98$ReadRaw ""


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  • From Russell Hafter News@21:1/5 to UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk on Fri Apr 24 11:59:17 2020
    In article <58659e09f7UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
    John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

    My BT router has a USB port (as did my old Orange one in
    France) into which one can plug a USB stick.

    I have this facility in my Netgear router.

    My (Android) tablet can show this in its filer app, and
    contents can be read and written.

    I think I had to tweak settings in the router using Win 7
    Pro, but these days it just works.

    Can RISC OS connect with this? Perhaps using LanMan or
    some other networking app?

    I am still running LanMan98 1.21, and it can do read files,
    rename file, delete files. But not write files.

    That I have to do with FTPc (v1.44)

    I had a lot of difficulty with this at first, but ultimately
    some very kind person here (I forget who) spelled out
    exactly what I had to do.

    Host = the address of the router (which seems all wrong but
    it works. It was explained to me, but I never really
    understood it.)

    Path = shares/U/ At one time I assigned U as the drive
    letter under Windows. After a time something happened to the
    USB stick and I could no longer read it with Risc OS.

    Tried a different USB stick, and all was OK again, except
    that I had to change the drive letter in Windows - it is now
    V - but it is still U in FTPc...

    Without the U I have to work through the folder tree to get
    to the actual files.

    User=Russell
    Password + Account are both empty * blank.
    Security = "0 - none. Normal FTP"

    If so, it could be very useful for transferring files.

    Essential, in my case! Lanman98 worked fine with Win XP. No
    idea if newer versions of Lanman are any better with newer
    versions of Windows.

    HTH

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  • From Doug Webb@21:1/5 to Tim Hill on Fri Apr 24 13:07:55 2020
    In message <58662fa20etim@invalid.org.uk>
    Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:


    Perhaps this satisfaction of my curiosity also explains or reinforces why
    I avoid the routers provided by ISPs such as BT. It's as if they
    deliberately hide more esoteric features so as not to confuse users with complexity.

    Having been on a Technical Support line for Telecoms users then sometimes
    its best not to give too much access to anything in a lot of cases.

    As to features well there are supported ones and undocumented/not
    supported features and many manufactures have lots of "supported" features
    that when tested during product introduction testing just do not work as
    they should or at all and I have lost count of the times I was told well competitor A states it has it so we do as well but never really tested it
    that much!


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  • From Tim Hill@21:1/5 to dave@davehigton.me.uk on Fri Apr 24 12:06:37 2020
    In article <d2c7db6558.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    I don't know what disc formats the hub understands. I formatted it as
    FAT32 to give what I thought was best portability.

    That seem the usual best bet.

    Do let us all know how you get on. I was able to get a directory
    listing, and to write a file to it, but reading anything using RISC OS
    just seems to result in errors. It's readable and writable just fine
    in Ubuntu, of course.

    This made me curious because my five-year-old NetGear wireless router too
    has a USB socket which I have only ever accessed from a PC as I don't use LanMan98 so have never tried to access it from RISC OS until now. I
    wonder how it will compare to your experience with BT's router?

    Clicking on the "Readyshare" icon with a USB symbol on the router's own
    home page reveals its SMB name which, unsurprisingly, is '\\readyshare'.

    I have just fired up the !Omni which arrived with RISC OS Pi. It shows up
    the READYSHARE in LAN Manager which opens and USB_Storage, its only
    folder, parks itself on the iconbar and correctly types the items in its folder. An 800MB .mp4 file copied to this Pi from the router's USB in 4
    min 45 sec. Nine assorted files totalling 9.8 MB copied to the USB from
    RISC OS in a couple of seconds.

    The Readyshare page shows all the settings and I can also enable
    HTTP/HTTPS/FTP for local or internet access. FTP worked first time with
    !FTPc and the HTTP link let me examine the directory contents and
    download files (which all arrive typed as Data by NetSurf).

    Perhaps this satisfaction of my curiosity also explains or reinforces why
    I avoid the routers provided by ISPs such as BT. It's as if they
    deliberately hide more esoteric features so as not to confuse users with complexity.

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  • From Russell Hafter News@21:1/5 to tim@invalid.org.uk on Fri Apr 24 13:49:49 2020
    In article <58662fa20etim@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
    <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

    The Readyshare page shows all the settings and I can also
    enable HTTP/HTTPS/FTP for local or internet access. FTP
    worked first time with !FTPc and the HTTP link let me
    examine the directory contents and download files (which
    all arrive typed as Data by NetSurf).

    That will have been where I tweaked settings, as mentioned
    in my other post.

    Being also a Netgear router, though older that Tim's, the
    name is the same.

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to Doug Webb on Fri Apr 24 15:29:03 2020
    In message <6533dc6558.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>
    Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote:

    In message <d2c7db6558.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:


    LanMan98. The drive's name is "shared_disk" (thanks, BT, for not telling
    us /anywhere/ in the hub's web pages or Help). There is no user name or
    password.

    That would be because it is not a supported feature.

    I had to find the drive name using Linux.

    I don't know what disc formats the hub understands. I formatted it as
    FAT32 to give what I thought was best portability.

    Do let us all know how you get on. I was able to get a directory
    listing, and to write a file to it, but reading anything using RISC OS
    just seems to result in errors. It's readable and writable just fine
    in Ubuntu, of course.

    You could try changing the following in LanMan98's !Run file:

    | The following line tells LanMan98 to use raw read requests for speed if
    the
    | server claims to support it. Some NAS, and Windows Vista claim to
    support
    | it, but actually fail to do so. If you have problems with your
    connections
    | comment the following line out to make LanMan98 avoid raw reads in all
    | cases.

    Set LanMan98$ReadRaw ""

    Thank you for that nugget, Doug. It has taken mine from not working
    to working. I'd never have thought of looking there.

    David

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to Tim Hill on Fri Apr 24 15:30:37 2020
    In message <58662fa20etim@invalid.org.uk>
    Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

    Perhaps this satisfaction of my curiosity also explains or reinforces why I avoid the routers provided by ISPs such as BT. It's as if they deliberately hide more esoteric features so as not to confuse users with complexity.

    Dumbed down to the point of uselessness?

    David

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  • From John Williams (News)@21:1/5 to David Higton on Fri Apr 24 18:49:14 2020
    In article <792a426658.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    Set LanMan98$ReadRaw ""

    Thank you for that nugget, Doug.

    Doesn't seem to be present in Omni.

    John

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  • From druck@21:1/5 to Doug Webb on Fri Apr 24 19:48:22 2020
    On 23/04/2020 20:50, Doug Webb wrote:
    "It appears the BT Hub 6 is using SMBv1 which is an obsolete and unsafe protocol which is disabled in modern versions of Windows."

    Now RISC OS I can understand but a product released in the last 5 years
    does make you question things but then again I suppose they supply a Hub
    not a NAS :-)

    Any ISP supplied equipment will be set up in a way that minimises
    support calls, regardless of any security concerns.

    e.g. Hub supporting SMB v1 in case you've got an old Windows98 machine
    which needs to connect.

    Only when they start getting more calls from Windows 10 users who can't
    access it, as SMBv1 is turned off by default, will they configure it to
    use a later version.

    At which point you'll complain RISC OS doesn't work with it any more,
    and they will tell you fix it by rebooting Windows. :-)

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  • From Doug Webb@21:1/5 to UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk on Fri Apr 24 20:21:34 2020
    In message <5866547e69UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>
    "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <792a426658.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    Set LanMan98$ReadRaw ""

    Thank you for that nugget, Doug.

    Doesn't seem to be present in Omni.

    John

    Unfortunately only a LanMan98 option.

    Doug

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  • From John Williams (News)@21:1/5 to David Higton on Mon May 4 13:18:40 2020
    In article <d2c7db6558.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    Do let us all know how you get on.

    I have persevered, and persevered...

    and finally have a filer window to which I can drag files and perform
    normal filer actions such as delete, alter permissions etcetera!

    Reminder: I have been trying to connect my RISC OS RPi to the USB port on
    my BT Smart Hub, to which my Android tablet already has access, so that I
    can use a memory device plugged into it to transfer files between the two.

    Using Omni, I have a mount as such:

    LanMan,BTHub,O,BTHUB,SONY_8GB,(none),,

    That is copied directly from the Mounts file in Choices:Omni -
    so, to run through these items individually:

    Protocol: LanMan
    Alias: BTHub - what I want to appear under the share icon
    Flags: O - letter "O" for "OPEN"
    Server: BTHUB - all caps, what it must share itself as
    Mount path: SONY_8GB - The discname name of my USB stick - essential!
    User ID: (none) - GUEST works equally well!
    Password: - blank
    Authentication: - blank

    Reminder: This is a BT Smart Hub 6, firmware updated 28-Mar-2020

    So I guess the key things are: BTHUB is what the share is called by the
    SMB1 server in the Hub, and the memory device name is needed in the device path.

    I find LanMan very confusing - it seems to confuse sharename and server and generally be a bit inconsistent with its syntax and error reporting!

    Anyway, glad to have arrived at last, and thanks for all attempts to help
    along the way!

    John

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  • From John Williams (News)@21:1/5 to UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk on Tue May 5 06:55:06 2020
    In article <586b5c96daUCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
    John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

    So I guess the key things are: BTHUB is what the share is called by the
    SMB1 server in the Hub, and the memory device name is needed in the device path.

    I omitted to specify the line in my Hosts file:

    192.168.1.254 bthub BT_Hub router rtr

    which may or may not be relevant.

    John

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  • From John Williams (News)@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 5 22:16:02 2020
    A drawback, but only slight; I can't write to the stick from my Android
    tablet.

    It complains about "permissions".

    But at least I can put my recipes up there, and some MP3s - they work fine
    as files to share from RISC OS!

    John#

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  • From John Williams (News)@21:1/5 to David Higton on Wed May 6 18:41:01 2020
    In article <b1e37f6c58.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    A drawback, but only slight; I can't write to the stick from my Android tablet.

    It complains about "permissions".

    What Android app are you using to access the hub?

    I have a Huawei tablet, as does Mrs, and this is bundled with a Files app
    which lists "Network neighbourhood".

    It's this which gives me my Linux Pi smb shares, also accessible by Omni,
    and, now, BTHUB.

    The Linux Pi requires Anonymous log-in for access from the tablet - and I haven't investigated further.

    My main use is to prepare stuff on the RISC OS m/c, and then access it on
    the tablet to, say, WhatsApp it to someone. French homework, for example!

    But it would be nice to transfer back as well - for further work,
    corrections, or whatever!

    But I'm really pleased I can use it as is!

    Best wishes,

    John

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk on Wed May 6 18:20:27 2020
    In message <586c119f46UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>
    "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


    A drawback, but only slight; I can't write to the stick from my Android tablet.

    It complains about "permissions".

    What Android app are you using to access the hub? I use AndSMB, and I
    can't recall having had the error you mention, albeit I didn't try the
    tablet with the hub, just various NAS drives - Synology USBStation 2
    (now dead), WD MyCloud, and OpenMediaVault on a RasPi 3B.

    David

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  • From John Williams (News)@21:1/5 to UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk on Wed May 6 19:40:33 2020
    In article <586c81c593UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
    John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

    But it would be nice to transfer back as well - for further work, corrections, or whatever!

    So presumably, this built-in app errs on the side of caution, an is
    therefore read-only.

    This sounds extremely reasonable!

    But I have other means at my disposal for getting stuff back: e-mail, ftp wireless sharing - it's not a "biggy". But it would be nice!

    Just like I could have walked across the room with the USB stick before
    between machines - but we strive for transparent networking!

    Best wishes,

    John

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