Has anyone any idea of where to get modern printer drivers from?
I have been trying to get RISC OS 5.28 (on the Rasberry 4) to print
direct via USB to a HP Envy 4500 printer.
In article <7ae827a459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
Has anyone any idea of where to get modern printer drivers from?
I have been trying to get RISC OS 5.28 (on the Rasberry 4) to print
direct via USB to a HP Envy 4500 printer.
Is that ink jet or Laser?
I'm trying to remember how I did it.
Can the Pi "see" the printer? Use Paul Reuvers' !USBinfo to check.
If not, use Ian Hamilton's !PrtSet2USB to set/check the connection.
In message <59a477991acvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <7ae827a459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
Has anyone any idea of where to get modern printer drivers from?
I have been trying to get RISC OS 5.28 (on the Rasberry 4) to print
direct via USB to a HP Envy 4500 printer.
Is that ink jet or Laser?
I'm trying to remember how I did it.
Can the Pi "see" the printer? Use Paul Reuvers' !USBinfo to check.
If not, use Ian Hamilton's !PrtSet2USB to set/check the connection.
Hi, it is an inkjet all in one wireless and or USB.
I have tried the above programs and they do show the printer is
connected from the Raspberry and when I drop a file on the printer icon
it does send it as the printer window shows "Now printing" but nothing
is actually printed which is why I think I need a specific printer
driver.
I have tried various combinations from the HP !Printdef list but non
have worked so far.
In article <55538aa459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
In message <59a477991acvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <7ae827a459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
Has anyone any idea of where to get modern printer drivers from? I
have been trying to get RISC OS 5.28 (on the Rasberry 4) to print direct via USB to a HP Envy 4500 printer.
Is that ink jet or Laser?
I'm trying to remember how I did it.
Can the Pi "see" the printer? Use Paul Reuvers' !USBinfo to check.
If not, use Ian Hamilton's !PrtSet2USB to set/check the connection.
Hi, it is an inkjet all in one wireless and or USB.
I have tried the above programs and they do show the printer is
connected from the Raspberry and when I drop a file on the printer icon
it does send it as the printer window shows "Now printing" but nothing
is actually printed which is why I think I need a specific printer
driver.
I have tried various combinations from the HP !Printdef list but non
have worked so far.
Just sent you all my HP defs privately in case I have one you don't.
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <55538aa459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,I just checked the HP website and they quote the language used as PCL3 GUI.
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
In message <59a477991acvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <7ae827a459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
Has anyone any idea of where to get modern printer drivers from? I
have been trying to get RISC OS 5.28 (on the Rasberry 4) to print
direct via USB to a HP Envy 4500 printer.
Is that ink jet or Laser?
I'm trying to remember how I did it.
Can the Pi "see" the printer? Use Paul Reuvers' !USBinfo to check.
If not, use Ian Hamilton's !PrtSet2USB to set/check the connection.
Hi, it is an inkjet all in one wireless and or USB.
I have tried the above programs and they do show the printer is
connected from the Raspberry and when I drop a file on the printer icon
it does send it as the printer window shows "Now printing" but nothing
is actually printed which is why I think I need a specific printer
driver.
I have tried various combinations from the HP !Printdef list but non
have worked so far.
Just sent you all my HP defs privately in case I have one you don't.
Looking on RISC OS Open >https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/11/topics/9285 there is a statement >from 2017 that "Gutenprint has a PCL3GUI driver, so that should work. " >although later people have trouble using it as it is slow.
On the same page CJEmicros offer a possible driver at >http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/micros/individual/newprodpages/prodinfo.php?prodcode=4D-HP9X0ROD
There is a test file you can download to try before you buy.
Hope this helps,
Ian
In article <55538aa459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
In message <59a477991acvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <7ae827a459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
Has anyone any idea of where to get modern printer drivers from?
I have been trying to get RISC OS 5.28 (on the Rasberry 4) to print
direct via USB to a HP Envy 4500 printer.
Is that ink jet or Laser?
I'm trying to remember how I did it.
Can the Pi "see" the printer? Use Paul Reuvers' !USBinfo to check.
If not, use Ian Hamilton's !PrtSet2USB to set/check the connection.
Hi, it is an inkjet all in one wireless and or USB.
I have tried the above programs and they do show the printer is
connected from the Raspberry and when I drop a file on the printer icon
it does send it as the printer window shows "Now printing" but nothing
is actually printed which is why I think I need a specific printer
driver.
I have tried various combinations from the HP !Printdef list but non
have worked so far.
Just sent you all my HP defs privately in case I have one you don't.
In article <55538aa459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
In message <59a477991acvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <7ae827a459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
Has anyone any idea of where to get modern printer drivers from?
I have been trying to get RISC OS 5.28 (on the Rasberry 4) to print
direct via USB to a HP Envy 4500 printer.
Is that ink jet or Laser?
I'm trying to remember how I did it.
Can the Pi "see" the printer? Use Paul Reuvers' !USBinfo to check.
If not, use Ian Hamilton's !PrtSet2USB to set/check the connection.
Hi, it is an inkjet all in one wireless and or USB.
I have tried the above programs and they do show the printer is
connected from the Raspberry and when I drop a file on the printer icon
it does send it as the printer window shows "Now printing" but nothing
is actually printed which is why I think I need a specific printer
driver.
I have tried various combinations from the HP !Printdef list but non
have worked so far.
Just sent you all my HP defs privately in case I have one you don't.
On 02 Jan, cvjazz@waitrose.com wrote:
In article <55538aa459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
In message <59a477991acvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <7ae827a459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
Has anyone any idea of where to get modern printer drivers from?
I have been trying to get RISC OS 5.28 (on the Rasberry 4) to print
direct via USB to a HP Envy 4500 printer.
Is that ink jet or Laser?
I'm trying to remember how I did it.
Can the Pi "see" the printer? Use Paul Reuvers' !USBinfo to check.
If not, use Ian Hamilton's !PrtSet2USB to set/check the connection.
Hi, it is an inkjet all in one wireless and or USB.
I have tried the above programs and they do show the printer is
connected from the Raspberry and when I drop a file on the printer icon
it does send it as the printer window shows "Now printing" but nothing
is actually printed which is why I think I need a specific printer
driver.
I have tried various combinations from the HP !Printdef list but non
have worked so far.
Just sent you all my HP defs privately in case I have one you don't.
Having said that, I haven't got my HP Deskjet 5610 working from RISC OS.
I used to use Uniprint through the Windows machine until it ceased to >function several Windows updates ago. I now use a laser printer from R5
on the Pi.
In message <59a5002dcccvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
On 02 Jan, cvjazz@waitrose.com wrote:
In article <55538aa459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
In message <59a477991acvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <7ae827a459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
Has anyone any idea of where to get modern printer drivers from?
I have been trying to get RISC OS 5.28 (on the Rasberry 4) to print >>>>>> direct via USB to a HP Envy 4500 printer.
Is that ink jet or Laser?
I'm trying to remember how I did it.
Can the Pi "see" the printer? Use Paul Reuvers' !USBinfo to check.
If not, use Ian Hamilton's !PrtSet2USB to set/check the connection.
Hi, it is an inkjet all in one wireless and or USB.
I have tried the above programs and they do show the printer is
connected from the Raspberry and when I drop a file on the printer icon >>>> it does send it as the printer window shows "Now printing" but nothing >>>> is actually printed which is why I think I need a specific printer
driver.
I have tried various combinations from the HP !Printdef list but non
have worked so far.
Just sent you all my HP defs privately in case I have one you don't.
Having said that, I haven't got my HP Deskjet 5610 working from RISC OS.
I used to use Uniprint through the Windows machine until it ceased to >>function several Windows updates ago. I now use a laser printer from R5
on the Pi.
I thought that at least one of the HP drivers might have worked even partially, seems to be the drivers are too old and printers too new.
I can still use uniprint on ViruallAcorn but would love to get printing
from the Raspberry, sort of hoped to use the Raspberry Pi instead but it doesn't look like that is going to happen sadly.
Anyway thanks for all your help, I think the only way is to purchase an
all in one printer that is known to work with RISC OS 5 and even if I
tried with Wi-Fi I would still end up with the same connection problem.
Regards
Stephen
On 02 Jan, cvjazz@waitrose.com wrote:
In article <55538aa459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
In message <59a477991acvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <7ae827a459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
Has anyone any idea of where to get modern printer drivers from?
I have been trying to get RISC OS 5.28 (on the Rasberry 4) to print
direct via USB to a HP Envy 4500 printer.
Is that ink jet or Laser?
I'm trying to remember how I did it.
Can the Pi "see" the printer? Use Paul Reuvers' !USBinfo to check.
If not, use Ian Hamilton's !PrtSet2USB to set/check the connection.
Hi, it is an inkjet all in one wireless and or USB.
I have tried the above programs and they do show the printer is
connected from the Raspberry and when I drop a file on the printer icon
it does send it as the printer window shows "Now printing" but nothing
is actually printed which is why I think I need a specific printer
driver.
I have tried various combinations from the HP !Printdef list but non
have worked so far.
Just sent you all my HP defs privately in case I have one you don't.
Having said that, I haven't got my HP Deskjet 5610 working from RISC OS.
I used to use Uniprint through the Windows machine until it ceased to function several Windows updates ago. I now use a laser printer from R5
on the Pi.
Re Uniprint, I still have mine working most days, from RO5 to Win10
usually without issues.
Are you on the current versions of Uniprint 4.10a, and the
corresponding module on the Win10 side?
In article <2be703a559.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>, Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
Re Uniprint, I still have mine working most days, from RO5 to Win10
usually without issues.
Are you on the current versions of Uniprint 4.10a, and the
corresponding module on the Win10 side?
Ah! I have UniControl 4.10 (24 Apr 2014) sans the "a" suffix.
Whence cometh the new version?
In article <59a5105d4bcvjazz@waitrose.com>,
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <2be703a559.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>, Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
Re Uniprint, I still have mine working most days, from RO5 to Win10 usually without issues.
Are you on the current versions of Uniprint 4.10a, and the
corresponding module on the Win10 side?
Ah! I have UniControl 4.10 (24 Apr 2014) sans the "a" suffix.
Whence cometh the new version?
Just found it on 't !Store for £79. As I already have a copy I presume
here is an update price or something. Perhaps I never registered my
original copy. I shall investigate as soon as time permits.
Problem with all-in-one inkjet printers for RISC OS is you will probably
only get the printing side working directly.
In article <2be703a559.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>, Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
Re Uniprint, I still have mine working most days, from RO5 to Win10
usually without issues.
Are you on the current versions of Uniprint 4.10a, and the
corresponding module on the Win10 side?
Ah! I have UniControl 4.10 (24 Apr 2014) sans the "a" suffix.
Whence cometh the new version?
In article <59a510b43ccvjazz@waitrose.com>,
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <59a5105d4bcvjazz@waitrose.com>,
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <2be703a559.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>, Chris Hughes
<news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
Re Uniprint, I still have mine working most days, from RO5 to Win10
usually without issues.
Are you on the current versions of Uniprint 4.10a, and the
corresponding module on the Win10 side?
Ah! I have UniControl 4.10 (24 Apr 2014) sans the "a" suffix.
Whence cometh the new version?
Just found it on 't !Store for £79. As I already have a copy I presume
here is an update price or something. Perhaps I never registered my
original copy. I shall investigate as soon as time permits.
Time having permitted, I see it's in my software and already have it in
my stored downloads so....
a) Have I applied the update?
b) Does the Info box on the icon bar reflect that?
Has anyone any idea of where to get modern printer drivers from?
I have been trying to get RISC OS 5.28 (on the Rasberry 4) to print
direct via USB to a HP Envy 4500 printer.
I tried various drivers within the PrintDefs to no avail.
Stephen
I downloaded the manual for this printer to see what form of emulation it understood. According to the manual on p89 it supports PCL3 GUI. I'm not sure what GUI means in this context as it usually means 'Graphical user interface' however PCL is HP's 'Printer Control Language' so it should respond to one of the 16 desk Jet definitions available.
About 15 years ago I needed a Printer definition for an HP DeskJet 920c
and found that Jonathan Briggs had produced a number of Definition files
for the 900 series printers and some others in around 2002. He was
initially charging a nominal amount for these but I think he left the RISC
OS scene around 2008 and made these printer definitions freely available.
Unfortunately I have not been able to find them on the web, so if anyone knows where they can be obtained perhaps they could let us know.
Jonathan put all his printer drivers in to the "public domain" in around 2008.
I happen to have archives of them, which includes some Epson drivers as
well, and totals some 30+ plus drivers but I'm not sure if putting them
in to the "Public Domain" includes distributing them as all it says in the archive is this:
"All my printer drivers are released into the public domain
'as is'. I can offer no further support for these drivers.
Jonathan Briggs
March 2008"
In message <59a5002dcccvjazz@waitrose.com>
I thought that at least one of the HP drivers might have worked even partially, seems to be the drivers are too old and printers too new.
I can still use uniprint on ViruallAcorn but would love to get printing
from the Raspberry, sort of hoped to use the Raspberry Pi instead but it doesn't look like that is going to happen sadly.
I happen to have archives of them, which includes some Epson drivers as
well, and totals some 30+ plus drivers but I'm not sure if putting them
in to the "Public Domain" includes distributing them as all it says in the archive is this:
In article <59a510b43ccvjazz@waitrose.com>, Chris Newman
<cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <59a5105d4bcvjazz@waitrose.com>, Chris Newman
<cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <2be703a559.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>, Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
Re Uniprint, I still have mine working most days, from RO5 to
Win10 usually without issues.
Are you on the current versions of Uniprint 4.10a, and the corresponding module on the Win10 side?
Ah! I have UniControl 4.10 (24 Apr 2014) sans the "a" suffix.
Whence cometh the new version?
Just found it on 't !Store for £79. As I already have a copy I
presume here is an update price or something. Perhaps I never
registered my original copy. I shall investigate as soon as time
permits.
Time having permitted, I see it's in my software and already have
it in my stored downloads so....
a) Have I applied the update? b) Does the Info box on the icon bar
reflect that?
In article <7ae827a459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
Has anyone any idea of where to get modern printer drivers from?
I have been trying to get RISC OS 5.28 (on the Rasberry 4) to print
direct via USB to a HP Envy 4500 printer.
I tried various drivers within the PrintDefs to no avail.
Stephen
I downloaded the manual for this printer to see what form of emulation it >understood. According to the manual on p89 it supports PCL3 GUI. I'm not >sure what GUI means in this context as it usually means 'Graphical user >interface' however PCL is HP's 'Printer Control Language' so it should >respond to one of the 16 desk Jet definitions available.
About 15 years ago I needed a Printer definition for an HP DeskJet 920c
and found that Jonathan Briggs had produced a number of Definition files
for the 900 series printers and some others in around 2002. He was
initially charging a nominal amount for these but I think he left the RISC
OS scene around 2008 and made these printer definitions freely available.
Unfortunately I have not been able to find them on the web, so if anyone >knows where they can be obtained perhaps they could let us know.
As something you might try, I have a duplex PCL printer driver available
on my website www.rjdarby.co.uk/riscos
You might try installing this to see if it will work with your printer. >Although it has duplex capability it will also print on one side of the
paper and you don't need to use the duplex settings.
Richard Darby.
In message <d8b406a559.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
Problem with all-in-one inkjet printers for RISC OS is you will probably
only get the printing side working directly.
In the past I have found that if the all in one device has a slot for a >memory card, the card itself was accessible from RISC OS, assuming printer
is connected via USB. You can then just scan to the memory card and then >pickup from RISC OS.
In message <603d05a559.Steve@btopenworld.com>
stephen.hull@btinternet.com wrote:
In message <59a5002dcccvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
On 02 Jan, cvjazz@waitrose.com wrote:
In article <55538aa459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
In message <59a477991acvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
In article <7ae827a459.Steve@btopenworld.com>,
<stephen.hull@btinternet.com> wrote:
Has anyone any idea of where to get modern printer drivers from? >>>>>>> I have been trying to get RISC OS 5.28 (on the Rasberry 4) to print >>>>>>> direct via USB to a HP Envy 4500 printer.
Is that ink jet or Laser?
I'm trying to remember how I did it.
Can the Pi "see" the printer? Use Paul Reuvers' !USBinfo to check. >>>>>>
If not, use Ian Hamilton's !PrtSet2USB to set/check the connection. >>>>>>
Hi, it is an inkjet all in one wireless and or USB.
I have tried the above programs and they do show the printer is
connected from the Raspberry and when I drop a file on the printer icon >>>>> it does send it as the printer window shows "Now printing" but nothing >>>>> is actually printed which is why I think I need a specific printer
driver.
I have tried various combinations from the HP !Printdef list but non >>>>> have worked so far.
Just sent you all my HP defs privately in case I have one you don't.
Having said that, I haven't got my HP Deskjet 5610 working from RISC OS. >>>I used to use Uniprint through the Windows machine until it ceased to >>>function several Windows updates ago. I now use a laser printer from R5 >>>on the Pi.
I thought that at least one of the HP drivers might have worked even
partially, seems to be the drivers are too old and printers too new.
You could ask CJE Micros if they might get their driver to work with that >printer.
I can still use uniprint on ViruallAcorn but would love to get printing
from the Raspberry, sort of hoped to use the Raspberry Pi instead but it
doesn't look like that is going to happen sadly.
UniPrint will work happily from a Raspberry Pi with RISC OS 5 on it.
Anyway thanks for all your help, I think the only way is to purchase an
all in one printer that is known to work with RISC OS 5 and even if I
tried with Wi-Fi I would still end up with the same connection problem.
If wanting help with a printer purchase I suggest either R-Comp or CJE >Micro's should be able to help.
Problem with all-in-one inkjet printers for RISC OS is you will probably
only get the printing side working directly.
There are a few Inkjets that support Postscript, but tend to be expensive.
I lot of Laser Printers support either PCL 5/6 or Postscript so more
easily supported from RISCOS but still have the issue of scanning/copying, >not being available.
Regards
Stephen
About 15 years ago I needed a Printer definition for an HP DeskJet 920c
and found that Jonathan Briggs had produced a number of Definition files
for the 900 series printers and some others in around 2002. He was
initially charging a nominal amount for these but I think he left the RISC
OS scene around 2008 and made these printer definitions freely available.
Unfortunately I have not been able to find them on the web, so if anyone knows where they can be obtained perhaps they could let us know.
On 3 Jan, "Richard Darby (news)" wrote in message
<59a527ac4dnews@rjdarby.co.uk>:
About 15 years ago I needed a Printer definition for an HP DeskJet 920c
and found that Jonathan Briggs had produced a number of Definition files
for the 900 series printers and some others in around 2002.
So I suspect
that, unless they were included in another collection, they're lost forever.
He should then download David Pillings SPrinter and install that as per
the instructions.
He can then print the document to the SPrinter and save the resultant jpeg
and then he can send it directly to the printer using something similar to the commands below:
Start a task window:
*SammyPrint -colour -file "File location i.e "RAM::RamDisc0.$.myjepg/jpg"
NB the location needs to be enclosed in speech marks" -ip <printers Ip address> -verbose
I think Andrew from Rcomp is back from his Christmas holidays on Monday so I'll ask him if he is aware of a solution for me on my setup. I was hoping
to use the Raspberry Pi to print from but looks like I'll have to stick
with VirtualAcorn on the lapop for main printing,
I've no idea how to get Uniprint to work from the Pi perhaps Andrew can
help with that but I didn't purchase the Pi from him so he might be
reluctant to help.
In message <eb48cda759.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>
Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote:
He can then print the document to the SPrinter and save the resultant jpeg
Sorry forgot to say SPrinter produces a Sprite and you drop that Sprite on
to ChangeFSI , which is set up to convert to JPEG, and save that resultant jpeg.
Surely printing a document as a JPEG would result in pixelation and inevitable loss of quality? (Like those text adverts you see in
magazines which have clearly been produced from a very lossy image
indeed.)
On 8 Jan, stephen.hull@btinternet.com wrote in message
<0ea896a759.Steve@btopenworld.com>:
[Please snip your quoted text appropriately!]
I think Andrew from Rcomp is back from his Christmas holidays on
Monday so I'll ask him if he is aware of a solution for me on my
setup. I was hoping to use the Raspberry Pi to print from but looks
like I'll have to stick with VirtualAcorn on the lapop for main
printing,
Why? As others have said, UniPrint will work fine on modern RISC OS 5 systems, so long as you have a current version of it.
In article <mpro.r5fub100rr1hg02ro.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
On 8 Jan, stephen.hull@btinternet.com wrote in message
<0ea896a759.Steve@btopenworld.com>:
[Please snip your quoted text appropriately!]
I think Andrew from Rcomp is back from his Christmas holidays on
Monday so I'll ask him if he is aware of a solution for me on my
setup. I was hoping to use the Raspberry Pi to print from but looks
like I'll have to stick with VirtualAcorn on the lapop for main
printing,
Why? As others have said, UniPrint will work fine on modern RISC OS 5
systems, so long as you have a current version of it.
Tat is not entirely true. There are several people who have reported on various RISCOS fora that they cannot get UniPrint to work on W10 (Me
being one of them) and there seems to be no logic to whether it works for
you or not.
Tat is not entirely true. There are several people who have reported on various RISCOS fora that they cannot get UniPrint to work on W10 (Me being one of them) and there seems to be no logic to whether it works for you or not.
On 9 Jan, Chris Newman wrote in message
<59a83250c0cvjazz@waitrose.com>:
Tat is not entirely true. There are several people who have reported
on various RISCOS fora that they cannot get UniPrint to work on W10
(Me being one of them) and there seems to be no logic to whether it
works for you or not.
But that's not a RISC OS 5 problem, though. The OP was concerned that UniPrint would stop working on the Pi, not that it would stop working
with Win 10.
If UniPrint works with the OP's Windows set-up, I'm not aware of any
reason why it would be any different on that same setup with a RISC OS 5
box compared to a RISC OS 3, 4 or Six box?
In article <mpro.r5gs7p05sn32002ro.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
On 9 Jan, Chris Newman wrote in message
<59a83250c0cvjazz@waitrose.com>:
Tat is not entirely true. There are several people who have reported
on various RISCOS fora that they cannot get UniPrint to work on W10
(Me being one of them) and there seems to be no logic to whether it
works for you or not.
But that's not a RISC OS 5 problem, though. The OP was concerned that UniPrint would stop working on the Pi, not that it would stop working
with Win 10.
If UniPrint works with the OP's Windows set-up, I'm not aware of any
reason why it would be any different on that same setup with a RISC OS 5 box compared to a RISC OS 3, 4 or Six box?
Mmnn.. The problem I found in the past and still do with Uniprint is the unreliability of service.
Yesterday RPCemu and RISC OS 5.28, no problem printing over the LAN to the Epson Expression XP-760.
Today not one print will pass from RISC OS to the Epson.
I've not changed anything...
LAN is active.
IP scanner shows it is the correct address for the printer
UniPrint driver is active... As it was yesterday.
The Epson Printer can be pinged.
The Epson is selected in the UniPrint Hosts config window.
Win side, The Epson is selected in the UniServer.exe Properties, Printer
tab.
RISC OS will not print to it.
Same with the RPCEmu RISC OS 6.20 install.
Uniserver will not Print to the Epson.
Go Windows side and send a document to the Epson over the LAN and it, as
per usual prints okay.
Rebooting either the RISC OS installs or even the Win computer doesn't
sort the problem.
This unreliability causes one to say (Some expletive) and just forget
about UniPrint as a printing tool and just take everything Win side for printing.
Dave
UniLaunch has the same bad manners, one day it'll work perfectly okay, another day it moans and fails all the time.
D.
In article <59a8819418dave@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
In article <mpro.r5gs7p05sn32002ro.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
On 9 Jan, Chris Newman wrote in message
<59a83250c0cvjazz@waitrose.com>:
Tat is not entirely true. There are several people who have
reported on various RISCOS fora that they cannot get UniPrint to
work on W10 (Me being one of them) and there seems to be no logic
to whether it works for you or not.
But that's not a RISC OS 5 problem, though. The OP was concerned
that UniPrint would stop working on the Pi, not that it would stop working with Win 10.
If UniPrint works with the OP's Windows set-up, I'm not aware of any reason why it would be any different on that same setup with a RISC
OS 5 box compared to a RISC OS 3, 4 or Six box?
Mmnn.. The problem I found in the past and still do with Uniprint is
the unreliability of service.
Yesterday RPCemu and RISC OS 5.28, no problem printing over the LAN to
the Epson Expression XP-760.
Today not one print will pass from RISC OS to the Epson. I've not
changed anything...
LAN is active. IP scanner shows it is the correct address for the
printer UniPrint driver is active... As it was yesterday. The Epson
Printer can be pinged. The Epson is selected in the UniPrint Hosts
config window. Win side, The Epson is selected in the UniServer.exe Properties, Printer tab.
RISC OS will not print to it.
Same with the RPCEmu RISC OS 6.20 install.
Uniserver will not Print to the Epson.
Go Windows side and send a document to the Epson over the LAN and it,
as per usual prints okay.
Rebooting either the RISC OS installs or even the Win computer doesn't
sort the problem.
This unreliability causes one to say (Some expletive) and just forget
about UniPrint as a printing tool and just take everything Win side for printing.
Dave
UniLaunch has the same bad manners, one day it'll work perfectly okay, another day it moans and fails all the time.
D.
Has UniPrint/UniControl got the correct address for the Windows machine?
If you turn the Windows machine off at night, it might not be allocated
the same address as before. That has certainly happened to me.
In article <59a8819418dave@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
UniLaunch has the same bad manners, one day it'll work perfectly okay, another day it moans and fails all the time.
D.
Has UniPrint/UniControl got the correct address for the Windows machine?
If you turn the Windows machine off at night, it might not be allocated
the same address as before. That has certainly happened to me.
In article <59a888518echarles@candehope.me.uk>,
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <59a8819418dave@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
[Snip]
UniLaunch has the same bad manners, one day it'll work perfectly okay, another day it moans and fails all the time.
D.
Has UniPrint/UniControl got the correct address for the Windows machine?
If you turn the Windows machine off at night, it might not be allocated
the same address as before. That has certainly happened to me.
All the computers in this house are connected to the LAN and all have reserved/fixed addresses in the router.
While today Uniprint won't connect, there's no problem with UniLaunch
sending things Windows side.
In article <59a8949ea3dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk>
wrote:
In article <59a888518echarles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <59a8819418dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave
<dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
[Snip]
UniLaunch has the same bad manners, one day it'll work perfectly
okay, another day it moans and fails all the time.
D.
Has UniPrint/UniControl got the correct address for the Windows
machine? If you turn the Windows machine off at night, it might not
be allocated the same address as before. That has certainly
happened to me.
All the computers in this house are connected to the LAN and all have reserved/fixed addresses in the router.
While today Uniprint won't connect, there's no problem with UniLaunch sending things Windows side.
That happened to me in October - but it had cured itself by December.
In article <59a8a27bbccharles@candehope.me.uk>, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <59a8949ea3dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk>
wrote:
In article <59a888518echarles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <59a8819418dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave
<dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
[Snip]
UniLaunch has the same bad manners, one day it'll work perfectly okay, another day it moans and fails all the time.
D.
Has UniPrint/UniControl got the correct address for the Windows machine? If you turn the Windows machine off at night, it might not
be allocated the same address as before. That has certainly
happened to me.
All the computers in this house are connected to the LAN and all have reserved/fixed addresses in the router.
While today Uniprint won't connect, there's no problem with UniLaunch sending things Windows side.
That happened to me in October - but it had cured itself by December.
To be fair, Microsoft has many, many software engineers who can keep
changing (messing up) Windows ad infinitum while we have one (Alan
Wrigley, I think) to try and play catch up.
In article <59a888518echarles@candehope.me.uk>,
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <59a8819418dave@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
[Snip]
UniLaunch has the same bad manners, one day it'll work perfectly okay,
another day it moans and fails all the time.
D.
Has UniPrint/UniControl got the correct address for the Windows machine?
If you turn the Windows machine off at night, it might not be allocated
the same address as before. That has certainly happened to me.
All the computers in this house are connected to the LAN and all have reserved/fixed addresses in the router.
While today Uniprint won't connect, there's no problem with UniLaunch
sending things Windows side.
Do check your Windows Firewall or Internet security suite firewall is actually configure to let Uniprint through.
Oh do remember that Microsoft have been spending the last few months
trying to fix the windows printing system patches they messed up, don't
think its fully fixed yet! IIRC if it printed to the printer using
Postscript it was fine but using say a PCL driver, it was not always
working. I think that put of issue now fixed.
The printing subsystem on Windows is a mess and has been for quite a few years.
It is a pity that we have no modern updates.
Some of the higher priced HP inkjets all in ones going back 3 or 4 years
ago, like the HP 5520/B110, had the ability to use PCL6/Postscript like
the Laserjets but they seem to have dropped that from their range and even some laserjets they sell have dropped it.
I guess it comes back to costs.
I think a modern approach would be to implement something like Apple AirPrint. Because printing from an iPhone or iPad is such a big thing, a
lot of modern printers support it. Since the printer just accepts a bitmap ('Apple Raster' or 'PWG raster' formats) there's no need for drivers, although printers can optionally support PDF or Postscript in the usual way.
In article <ab29b2a859.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]
Do check your Windows Firewall or Internet security suite firewall is actually configure to let Uniprint through.
Oh do remember that Microsoft have been spending the last few months
trying to fix the windows printing system patches they messed up,
don't think its fully fixed yet! IIRC if it printed to the printer
using Postscript it was fine but using say a PCL driver, it was not
always working. I think that put of issue now fixed.
The printing subsystem on Windows is a mess and has been for quite a
few years.
Yesterday it worked okay, so obviously the firewall was allowing it.
Early today, and later in the morning when I tried again it did not
work...
This evening I've just printed out of RISC OS 5.28 through Uniprint to
the Epson okay. (Exactly the same file I was using earlier).
And Unilaunch is also working.
I have not changed anything.
Dave
In message <ABe*xI1Dy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
I think a modern approach would be to implement something like Apple AirPrint. Because printing from an iPhone or iPad is such a big thing, a lot of modern printers support it. Since the printer just accepts a
bitmap ('Apple Raster' or 'PWG raster' formats) there's no need for drivers, although printers can optionally support PDF or Postscript in
the usual way.
Agree and thats why Rick Murray's SammyPrint and the work that Dave Higton
is doing on IPP plus the work on Ghostscript/IPPTool/MuTool etc that Chris Gransden amongst others is doing really is the way to go and makes sure
most printers will then be available again.
There really does seem to be a lot of things coming forward to make using RISC OS even easier to use.
Is your antivirus software set to automatically update itself? Some years
ago I stupidly installed a free trial of Mcafee on my PC which coincided
with intermittant problems connecting to my RiscPC. Removing Mcafee (it
was difficult to remove it completely!) solved the problem - I concluded
that there were bugs in the regular virus updates which were then
corrected with the next one! I've not had the same problem with AVG.
Can you confirm that AirPrint does indeed use UniRaster; print to file
would have "UNIRAST\0" inthe first 8 bytes?
Have you tried sending a Unirast file to an Airprint printer?
It appears that I can run Wireshark on my wifi, but it can only see
traffic destined for the machine running Wireshark - it can't see the chat between my phone and the printer. To do that I'd need to put both the phone and printer on an open wifi network that I can sniff. That will be a task for another day...
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
Can you confirm that AirPrint does indeed use UniRaster; print to file would have "UNIRAST\0" inthe first 8 bytes?
I'm not sure how I find out - my iPhone won't print to file, only to something that advertises itself as a printer (the only thing I have being
an actual printer). On MacOS there's CUPS in the way - you can print to
PDF, which is presumably the input format to CUPS, but I'm not sure how to print to file of the output destined for a specific printer. The spool
file (/var/spool/cups/dNNNNNN-NNN) is a PDF.
Have you tried sending a Unirast file to an Airprint printer?
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
It appears that I can run Wireshark on my wifi, but it can only see
traffic destined for the machine running Wireshark - it can't see the
chat between my phone and the printer. To do that I'd need to put both
the phone and printer on an open wifi network that I can sniff. That
will be a task for another day...
Somebody already did this: https://weberblog.net/a-little-printing-please-packet-capture/
According to the pcap (in Wireshark filter on 'ipp'):
MDNS says:
HP LaserJet 200 colorMFP M276n (025A4D)_ipp_tcplocal)Â ;
IPP says:
POST /ipp/print HTTP/1.1
Content-Length: 823
Content-Type: application/ipp
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 10:36:43 GMT
Host: NPI025A4D.local:631
User-Agent: CUPS/2.3.0 (iOS 13.6.1; iPhone10,4) IPP/2.0
Expect: 100-continue
(a lot of IPP chitchat about media sizes etc)
document-format-supported:
image/urf
application/pdf
application/postscript
application/vnd.hp-PCL
application/vnd.hp-PCLXL
application/PCLm
application/octet-stream
and a PDF is sent.
So it appears iOS won't necessarily send PWG or URF if there's another option.
I may have missed it, but I didn't see what type of file he printed.
If it was a PDF, I would expect the computer's printing system to take
the line of least resistance and ship it out direct because the printer
can handle it directly.
The above list of formats: is it complete? Didn't it include PWG-Raster?
HP seems to be its biggest supporter.
I have some reverse engineered documentation of Unirast, and it seems reasonable to guess that "image/urf" is Unirast. What I don't know
for sure is whether the information I have is up to date. We all know
how much protocols are subject to change in the IT industry.
I don't have access to an Airprint printer.
It appears that I can run Wireshark on my wifi, but it can only see
traffic destined for the machine running Wireshark - it can't see the chat between my phone and the printer. To do that I'd need to put both the phone and printer on an open wifi network that I can sniff. That will be a task for another day...
On 12/01/2022 22:46, Theo wrote:
It appears that I can run Wireshark on my wifi, but it can only see
traffic destined for the machine running Wireshark - it can't see the chat between my phone and the printer. To do that I'd need to put both the phone
and printer on an open wifi network that I can sniff. That will be a task for another day...
You need to put your WiFi card in promiscuous mode.
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