I have just released a new application !RingBind which displays a manual
as if it were a ring bound manual, open on the desk.
I have also got a utility to convert a PDF file into a 'Bound' manual
which !RingBind will open.
The RISC OS 5.28 User Guide has been converted into 'Bound' format.
This an the application are available from !Store.
Any idea what this means when I try to run it?
VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20 221Mbytes of Free memory.
08:59:13.99 ** WimpError ** from unknown task
Error : &000001C1
Message: 90800K of free memory is needed before the application will
start. Quit any unwanted applications or see the RISC OS User Guide for
ways to maximise memory.
In article <9a10ff6e-49a7-4b42-88a0-1389cc3914aen@googlegroups.com>,
svrsig <chris@svrsig.org> wrote:
I have just released a new application !RingBind which displays a
manual as if it were a ring bound manual, open on the desk.
I have also got a utility to convert a PDF file into a 'Bound'
manual which !RingBind will open.
The RISC OS 5.28 User Guide has been converted into 'Bound'
format.
This an the application are available from !Store.
Neat Idea....
Any idea what this means when I try to run it?
VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20 221Mbytes of Free memory.
08:59:13.99 ** WimpError ** from unknown task
Error : &000001C1
Message: 90800K of free memory is needed before the application
will start. Quit any unwanted applications or see the RISC OS User
Guide for ways to maximise memory.
Any idea what this means when I try to run it?
VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20 221Mbytes of Free memory.
08:59:13.99 ** WimpError ** from unknown task Error : &000001C1
Message: 90800K of free memory is needed before the application will
start. Quit any unwanted applications or see the RISC OS User Guide
for ways to maximise memory.
It means that it needs to load a 141Mbyte Draw file into memory and thus needs a WimpSlot of about 350Mbytes as (i) I have not yet optimised its
use of memory and (ii) it would run too slow under emulation anyway.
In article <599c2a7539dave@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
In article <9a10ff6e-49a7-4b42-88a0-1389cc3914aen@googlegroups.com>,
svrsig <chris@svrsig.org> wrote:
I have just released a new application !RingBind which displays a
manual as if it were a ring bound manual, open on the desk.
I have also got a utility to convert a PDF file into a 'Bound'
manual which !RingBind will open.
The RISC OS 5.28 User Guide has been converted into 'Bound'
format.
This an the application are available from !Store.
Neat Idea....
Any idea what this means when I try to run it?
VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20 221Mbytes of Free memory.
08:59:13.99 ** WimpError ** from unknown task
Error : &000001C1
Message: 90800K of free memory is needed before the application
will start. Quit any unwanted applications or see the RISC OS User
Guide for ways to maximise memory.
I had similar problems. I suspect the problem is the alias that is
set for Bound files ...
Set Alias$@RunType_1EB /<Obey$Dir>.!RunImage %%*0
... so when a Bound file is double-clicked, the !RunImage is run
directly without any WimpSlot settings. I think it should run the !Run
file, with some changes to pass through the file name.
So it may work or not, depending on your current settings.
Leaflet will probably work, but 528Guide probably not.
I fear it also tries to load the whole file into application memory
... which as 528Guide is 141MB will fail on any 26-bit system anyway!
I suspect the problem is the alias that is set for Bound files ...Set Alias$@RunType_1EB /<Obey$Dir>.!RunImage %%*0
Version 0.05 now runs on VRPC. The BASIC programme will now try toI suspect the problem is the alias that is set for Bound files ...Set Alias$@RunType_1EB /<Obey$Dir>.!RunImage %%*0
... so when a Bound file is double-clicked, the !RunImage is run
directly without any WimpSlot settings.
Thanks for spotting this - another version on the way....
Version 0.05 now runs on VRPC. The BASIC programme will now try to load
a double clicked manual if there is already a sufficient wimpslot - if
the wimpslot is too small then the message is ignored so that the
application will be restarted, exactly as if it had not been running. On entry a sufficient Wimpslot is requested (if a file was double-clicked)
and aborts if this is not available.
Hence will now run on VRPC but the 528 Manual is too large for VRPC.
I can confirm version 0.05 will now run on a VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20
I have just released a new application !RingBind which displays a manual
as if it were a ring bound manual, open on the desk.
I have also got a utility to convert a PDF file into a 'Bound' manual
which !RingBind will open.
The RISC OS 5.28 User Guide has been converted into 'Bound' format.
This an the application are available from !Store.
On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 6:08:23 AM UTC, Dave wrote:
I can confirm version 0.05 will now run on a VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20
Version 0.06 now gives a tidier error message on VRPC: 'Error during
loading 528Manual: Wimpslot of 3Mbytes extended to 29M but 156M
required. Aborting'
In article <b1782139-0621-4b1c-8f79-ea3fbbe13afen@googlegroups.com>,
svrsig <chris@svrsig.org> wrote:
On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 6:08:23 AM UTC, Dave wrote:
I can confirm version 0.05 will now run on a VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20
Version 0.06 now gives a tidier error message on VRPC: 'Error during loading 528Manual: Wimpslot of 3Mbytes extended to 29M but 156M
required. Aborting'
Yes indeedy it does just that.
Sorry, I need to ask this question as I have a penchant for messing up
folks new apps. :-)
RingBind runs to the icon bar okay, and I can double click "Leaflet" and
it displays.
But this being RISC OS...
I can't drop a RingBind file 'Bound (1eb)' on the icon bar icon and have
it open one of its own files?
Error : &00000000
Message: Unknown or missing variable (Internal error code 2760)
15:28:10.37 ** WimpError ** from RingBind
Sorry Guv' it just broke in me hands. ;-)
Dave
Sorry, I need to ask this question as I have a penchant for messing up folks new apps. :-)
RingBind runs to the icon bar okay, and I can double click "Leaflet" and
it displays.
But this being RISC OS...
I can't drop a RingBind file 'Bound (1eb)' on the icon bar icon and have
it open one of its own files?
How do you create your own 'Bound' book? You mention a utility to convert
a PDF to a 'Bound' file, but I can't see it.
My hope was that the resulting Draw files would be in total size about
the same as a PDF. However the 528 Manual is 11Mbytes as a PDF but
148Mbytes as a bunch of Draw files...
On 20 Dec 2021 as I do recall,My next step (now that !RingBind is working) is to do a bit more
svrsig wrote:
My hope was that the resulting Draw files would be in total size aboutUnsurprising, as PDF is a compressed graphic format and Drawfiles
the same as a PDF. However the 528 Manual is 11Mbytes as a PDF but 148Mbytes as a bunch of Draw files...
aren't!
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Nothing is foolproof - to a sufficiently talented fool
On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:56:56 PM UTC, Harriet Bazley wrote:
On 20 Dec 2021 as I do recall,
svrsig wrote:
My hope was that the resulting Draw files would be in total size about the same as a PDF. However the 528 Manual is 11Mbytes as a PDF but 148Mbytes as a bunch of Draw files...Unsurprising, as PDF is a compressed graphic format and Drawfiles
aren't!
My next step (now that !RingBind is working) is to do a bit more
processing when generating a 'Bound' file. It is easy to extract the
pages of a PDF as Draw files and the souce of most of the file size
is (I hope) uncompressed sprites.
In article <599c2a7539dave@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
Any idea what this means when I try to run it?
VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20 221Mbytes of Free memory.
08:59:13.99 ** WimpError ** from unknown task
Error : &000001C1
Message: 90800K of free memory is needed before the application
will start. Quit any unwanted applications or see the RISC OS User
Guide for ways to maximise memory.
I had similar problems. I suspect the problem is the alias that is
set for Bound files ...
Set Alias$@RunType_1EB /<Obey$Dir>.!RunImage %%*0
... so when a Bound file is double-clicked, the !RunImage is run
directly without any WimpSlot settings. I think it should run the !Run
file, with some changes to pass through the file name.
So it may work or not, depending on your current settings.
Leaflet will probably work, but 528Guide probably not.
I fear it also tries to load the whole file into application memory
... which as 528Guide is 141MB will fail on any 26-bit system anyway!
Chris, as your main requirement is for a big block of memory to load the file into, have you considered grabbing that yourself by manipulating END or using SYS"Wimp_SlotSize"?It does do this. If the double-click message is received via a Wimp message, it looks to see if it already has enough memory - if not it ignores the message and
There are various little libraries available to BASIC for efficient allocation of memory. One which I have used a few times is based on code
from RISC User magazine v. 9, issue 1, p. 17. It provides a shifting heap manager, which is a little more complicated than you need, but very efficient for memory use. You can see how I have used it in the !RunImage of DrawToSprite which is a free download from the Sine Nomine Software website.
Another thing to consider, before you go too far, is the design of the file format. Without documentation I have had to guess, so apologies if this is wrong. It looked to me like there were perhaps just a series of Draw files stuck end to end in the file. But if so, I am not sure where the navigation tabs come from.
A few style guide and feature thoughts...
At the moment Select and Adjust determine whether to use animate page turning or not. I think Adjust ought to turn the page backwards -- that's the
natural action you would expect. See Organizer for an example of this. Perhaps animation could become a Choice, or use a modifier like Ctrl or Shift, unless you're planning for Shift to move multiple pages and Ctrl to move to the next section!
It would be better for most of the things on the iconbar menu to appear instead in a menu over the main window. The iconbar menu should not have
much more than global choices, help, quit, info, etc.
Would be good if the main window could have the input focus so that Page Up/Down would work for page turning.
Animation was extremely slow on our Iyonix, and then there was a big redraw of the whole window after the page had turned which seemed unnecessary. I expect this is all better on a modern machine. Perhaps the application could detect the time taken to render and adjust the number of animation steps to keep it acceptable?
From scrolling through the example Leaflet file in a text editor, it looked like the Draw files had text rendered as paths. This will ensure it looks good, but it does mean you wouldn't be able to support a search facility. I guess this limitation may come from your source materials. If you are converting from PDF to Draw then you may find that the method you use to produce the PDF file makes a difference. Are you using the Tytgat/Wuerthner PostScript 3 drivers, for example?Yes.
Or perhaps rendering as paths is needed to support the animation? If so,
then sacrificing the ability to search the text is too high a price to pay, in my opinion.
It would be good if the application icon and the icon for the filetype could look more different from each other. Applications should have some transparency if they are not square, whereas file icons on RISC OS 5 should have a graduated grey background to fill out the square and a curling bottom right corner.
Sorry to bombard you with suggestions: they're just a few thoughts that occurred when exploring your application. It's always hard to know at what stage to feed these suggestions in! I don't want to discourage anyone from releasing applications before they are fully polished. The worst software of all is the software that hasn't been released yet because there are two or three minor things still to tidy up. I know I've got a few examples like
that lurking on my hard disc, so congratulations on getting the software out there for people to try.
All the best,
On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 9:32:57 AM UTC, Matthew Phillips wrote:
Chris, as your main requirement is for a big block of memory to load the file
into, have you considered grabbing that yourself by manipulating END or using
SYS"Wimp_SlotSize"?
Many thanks vor the comments.
On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 10:14:32 AM UTC, svrsig wrote:
Version 0.10 now runs in a 12Mbyte Wimpslot even when displaying a
140MByte RISC OS 5,28 User Manual. It now therefore runs on VRPC.
Chapter, Section and sub-section moves are now supported. Error
handling is improved.
Version 0.15 now detects errors from SpriteExtend if skewed JPEGs are rendered.
Resources to create your own 'Bound' files from a PDF are now included.
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