• LaBella

    From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 18 17:13:14 2021
    Hi,

    Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?

    I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put on
    the label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I think is
    the latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.

    Using Aemulor makes no difference.

    --
    Chris Newman

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Thu Nov 18 17:52:41 2021
    In article <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>,
    Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
    Hi,

    Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?

    I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put on
    the label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I think is
    the latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.

    Using Aemulor makes no difference.

    Looks OK here. ISTR, you get the address by loading a CSV file

    ROS 5.29 - LaBella 6.11

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Thu Nov 18 21:45:38 2021
    In message <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>
    Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

    Hi,

    Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?

    I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put on the label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I think is the latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.

    Works for me every Christmas :-)

    LaBella 6.43, many different versions of RO5, normally all quite recent
    at time of use of LaBella.

    David

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  • From J Peachey@21:1/5 to David Higton on Fri Nov 19 17:27:14 2021
    In message <1d21808d59.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    In message <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>
    Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

    Hi,

    Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?

    I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put on the >> label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I think is the
    latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.

    Works for me every Christmas :-)

    LaBella 6.43, many different versions of RO5, normally all quite recent
    at time of use of LaBella.

    David
    No Reason why it wouldn't work as it is written in basic.
    I didn't think you typed data in as such, but created a CSV file which you
    then loaded into Labella.

    Any way it is working on my Titanium.
    John

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  • From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to dave@davehigton.me.uk on Fri Nov 19 21:10:02 2021
    In article <1d21808d59.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com> Chris Newman
    <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

    Hi,

    Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?

    I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put
    on the label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I
    think is the latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.

    Works for me every Christmas :-)

    LaBella 6.43, many different versions of RO5, normally all quite recent
    at time of use of LaBella.

    Tanks, Dave. Encouraged me to look again. Found the problem.
    At the start it was loading a default label. Now I've set a favourite at startup it's working.

    --
    Chris Newman

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Fri Nov 19 23:37:41 2021
    In message <598e00b468cvjazz@waitrose.com>
    Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

    In article <1d21808d59.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com> Chris Newman
    <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

    Hi,

    Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?

    I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put on the label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I think is the latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.

    Works for me every Christmas :-)

    LaBella 6.43, many different versions of RO5, normally all quite recent
    at time of use of LaBella.

    Tanks, Dave. Encouraged me to look again. Found the problem. At the start
    it was loading a default label. Now I've set a favourite at startup it's working.

    Yeah, I had to add a definition for the Avery labels we use, since the definition wasn't in the distribution version.

    David

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  • From John Bryan@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Sat Nov 20 09:38:04 2021
    In message <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>
    Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

    Hi,

    Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?

    I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put on
    the label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I think is
    the latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.

    Using Aemulor makes no difference.

    Runs OK on RISCOS 5.28 version 6.43

    As an aside how do you set the label shape to square and keep it there?

    I have tried modifying one of the square supplied labels but changing the
    label name to something more useful but Labella reverts to a rounded label
    when reloaded.

    Looking in the label data directory at files LR-001 and LS-001 I cannot
    see the tag that sets the shape.
    A small point as I am printing to A4 card and then cutting.
    --
    John Bryan

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  • From J Peachey@21:1/5 to John Bryan on Sat Nov 20 13:12:35 2021
    In message <ce30458e59.John@jrb.5026.gmail.com>
    John Bryan <jrb.5026@gmail.com> wrote:

    In message <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>
    Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

    Hi,

    Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?

    I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put on
    the label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I think is
    the latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.

    Using Aemulor makes no difference.

    Runs OK on RISCOS 5.28 version 6.43

    As an aside how do you set the label shape to square and keep it there?

    I have tried modifying one of the square supplied labels but changing the label name to something more useful but Labella reverts to a rounded label when reloaded.

    Looking in the label data directory at files LR-001 and LS-001 I cannot
    see the tag that sets the shape.
    A small point as I am printing to A4 card and then cutting.


    From the manual

    "The automatic association of one of these basic shapes to a label
    definition file is effected via specific character sequences in the
    user-chosen label name, as follows:

    If a label definition has the case-sensitive character sequence ”Square• somewhere in its label name then the label shape will be a square-cornered rectangle."

    So in Labeldata.Ls001 I assume the title is "Avery J8414 (2×5)
    Square-corners"

    John


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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Sat Nov 20 15:15:32 2021
    In article <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>,
    Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
    Hi,

    Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?

    I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put
    on the label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I
    think is the latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.

    Using Aemulor makes no difference.

    Version 6.43 seems to be working here with OS 5.29 03-Nov-20.

    For decades I've used Impression to print christmas card labels and
    thought I'd give this a try in the hope it might provide a way around
    a printing problem.

    I understand that the printer cannot print right to the top or bottom
    edge but I can't work out how I'm supposed to deal with that. I hoped
    that something designed for labels would have some work around but
    not that I've found yet.

    How do people get around this? Don't use the top and or bottom
    labels?

    Within LaBella the labels I'm using are 105 x 37mm and 16 on a sheet
    and crucially there is no empty space between labels.

    I have the row pitch set to 37mm and I can move the whole printed
    page up and down using the label top inset. If set to 1.1 it equally
    chops a little from the top label and bottom label. I tried changing
    the label height but that seems to make no difference.

    I would have thought that there was a mechanism for dealing with
    print margins but so far I've not discovered it?

    Any advice appreciated.

    Bob.

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  • From John Bryan@21:1/5 to J Peachey on Sat Nov 20 16:07:41 2021
    In message <2cd4588e59.john@user.orpheusmail.co.uk>
    J Peachey <john@jpeachey.co.uk> wrote:

    In message <ce30458e59.John@jrb.5026.gmail.com>
    John Bryan <jrb.5026@gmail.com> wrote:

    In message <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>
    Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:


    [snip]



    Runs OK on RISCOS 5.28 version 6.43

    As an aside how do you set the label shape to square and keep it there?

    I have tried modifying one of the square supplied labels but changing the
    label name to something more useful but Labella reverts to a rounded label >> when reloaded.

    Looking in the label data directory at files LR-001 and LS-001 I cannot
    see the tag that sets the shape.
    A small point as I am printing to A4 card and then cutting.


    From the manual

    "The automatic association of one of these basic shapes to a label
    definition file is effected via specific character sequences in the user-chosen label name, as follows:

    If a label definition has the case-sensitive character sequence ?Square? somewhere in its label name then the label shape will be a square-cornered rectangle."

    So in Labeldata.Ls001 I assume the title is "Avery J8414 (2×5) Square-corners"

    John

    Thank you John, you are indeed correct.
    The label name in the control window has to include the word "Square" and
    as you say is case sensitive.
    I have modified the label name and all is now well.

    --
    John Bryan

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  • From Harriet Bazley@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sat Nov 20 16:19:14 2021
    On 20 Nov 2021 as I do recall,
    Bob Latham wrote:

    I understand that the printer cannot print right to the top or bottom
    edge but I can't work out how I'm supposed to deal with that. I hoped
    that something designed for labels would have some work around but
    not that I've found yet.

    How do people get around this? Don't use the top and or bottom
    labels?

    Label stationery normally has a top and bottom margin for that reason,
    e.g. https://www.avery.co.uk/sites/avery.co.uk/files/styles/scale_1_1_ratio_style/public/avery_importer/template/lineart/L7159-100_5014702177408_line.jpg


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    The attacker must vanquish; the defender need only survive.

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sat Nov 20 18:08:10 2021
    In article <598e6415d4bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    I understand that the printer cannot print right to the top or
    bottom edge but I can't work out how I'm supposed to deal with
    that. I hoped that something designed for labels would have some
    work around but not that I've found yet.

    How do people get around this? Don't use the top and or bottom
    labels?

    That depends on lyour printer, not Labella. Somewhere in your printer
    spec there should be the limits of where it can print on a page. If
    that shows that it cannot print on the whole of all labels, then you
    will not be able to print on all of them.

    Make sure your RISC OS printer settings are correct for paper sizes
    AND Graphics margins. This ensures they can be displayed by Labella,
    and the printer can be used to its fullest extent.

    Within LaBella the labels I'm using are 105 x 37mm and 16 on a
    sheet and crucially there is no empty space between labels.

    There is often not a space between labels.

    First, ensure the label measurements and layout in Labella is exactly
    what the physical labels are. Interactive help is available on most
    settings. This includes individual label height, width, rows, cols,
    row & col pitch, and top left inset. That is fixed (and hopefully
    saved) for each label type, and is independent of what you want to
    print in each label.

    Then, load a CSV file with the text you want in each label, and set up
    how you want the fields to be printed - font, size, indentation,
    spacing, colours etc.

    I have the row pitch set to 37mm and I can move the whole printed
    page up and down using the label top inset. If set to 1.1 it equally
    chops a little from the top label and bottom label.

    Maybe the !Printer settings are not the same as your actual printer?

    I tried changing the label height but that seems to make no
    difference.

    No - that must be the size of one label.

    I would have thought that there was a mechanism for dealing with
    print margins but so far I've not discovered it?

    There are several references to margin in the Help.

    Labella is *very* flexible, but it does take some getting used to
    where to tweak what.

    Note that you do not have to start printing at the first label on the
    page, so used ones can be skipped.

    Always best to experiment on blank sheets of paper and compare
    positions with the real thing!

    Martin

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    Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Harriet Bazley on Sat Nov 20 20:05:45 2021
    In article <d8ea698e59.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
    Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
    On 20 Nov 2021 as I do recall,
    Bob Latham wrote:

    I understand that the printer cannot print right to the top or
    bottom edge but I can't work out how I'm supposed to deal with
    that. I hoped that something designed for labels would have some
    work around but not that I've found yet.

    How do people get around this? Don't use the top and or bottom
    labels?

    Label stationery normally has a top and bottom margin for that
    reason, e.g. https://www.avery.co.uk/sites/avery.co.uk/files/styles/scale_1_1_ratio_style/public/avery_importer/template/lineart/L7159-100_5014702177408_line.jpg

    Thanks for that.

    Bob.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Martin on Sat Nov 20 20:15:42 2021
    In article <598e73e424News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
    Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:


    There are several references to margin in the Help.

    Labella is *very* flexible, but it does take some getting used to
    where to tweak what.

    Note that you do not have to start printing at the first label on
    the page, so used ones can be skipped.

    I haven't yet worked out how to skip labels during printing.

    Always best to experiment on blank sheets of paper and compare
    positions with the real thing!

    Yes, indeed that's what I've been doing.

    I thought it possible that LaBella might detect that the text
    couldn't be fully printed in a certain box and therefore skip the row
    and print the row on the next page. It's unlike me to be optimistic.
    :-)

    I have now reached a sort of solution. Most of the labels have 6
    lines of text but some only 5. By shifting the print to fully print
    the top of the page and only using 5 line addresses at the page
    bottoms it seems to print OK. Very nicely actually.

    Thanks for your help.

    Bob.

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  • From Alan Griffin@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sat Nov 20 21:02:53 2021
    In article <598e7f912cbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    Note that you do not have to start printing at the first label on
    the page, so used ones can be skipped.

    I haven't yet worked out how to skip labels during printing.

    If you want to skip the first five labels on the sheet, just put five
    blank lines before your first label.

    Alan

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to Alan Griffin on Sat Nov 20 22:05:30 2021
    In article <598e83e2d7ajg@argonet.co.uk>,
    Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
    I haven't yet worked out how to skip labels during printing.

    If you want to skip the first five labels on the sheet, just put
    five blank lines before your first label.

    Better and easier to change 'Start at Label' in the Printing Setup
    window!

    --
    Martin Avison
    Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
    without notice if (when) any spam is received.

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  • From M Harding@21:1/5 to Martin on Sat Nov 20 20:08:45 2021
    In article <598e73e424News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
    Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <598e6415d4bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    I understand that the printer cannot print right to the top or
    bottom edge but I can't work out how I'm supposed to deal with
    that. I hoped that something designed for labels would have some
    work around but not that I've found yet.

    For many years now I've used !OvationPro to produce labels. There's an
    applet for labels formats. Unfortunately it's so long ago that I set
    it up to produce an Avery L14 format that I've forgotten how it was
    done.

    I've found it extremely flexible for our Xmas card list, which I
    usually amend throughout the year. Since I keep it in alphabetical
    order, it's easy to insert or delete entries which then cause the
    others to ripple along the series.

    Not as flexible as extracting from a wider database of course, but
    simple to use and precise in printing.

    [ very big snip ]

    Always best to experiment on blank sheets of paper and compare
    positions with the real thing!

    I use the first printing on sheets of paper to annotate the list ready
    for the next year, having used the previous year's draft to highlight
    changes necessary.

    Michael Harding
    Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk

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  • From John Williams (News)@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sun Nov 21 10:05:29 2021
    In article <598eca6fefbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    If you want to skip the first five labels on the sheet, just put
    five blank lines before your first label.

    Do you mean blank lines in the CSV file if not, where?

    I would imagine it must be lines with the appropriate commas in the CSV
    file, thus printing nothing on the first row of labels (whatever the number used/needed).

    You may need the same at the bottom of the page!

    John

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Martin on Sun Nov 21 10:00:54 2021
    In article <598e899e82News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
    Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <598e83e2d7ajg@argonet.co.uk>,
    Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
    I haven't yet worked out how to skip labels during printing.

    If you want to skip the first five labels on the sheet, just put
    five blank lines before your first label.

    Better and easier to change 'Start at Label' in the Printing Setup
    window!

    Doesn't that only work on the first page? That would mean I would
    have to print each page on its own wouldn't it?

    Bob.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Alan Griffin on Sun Nov 21 09:53:29 2021
    In article <598e83e2d7ajg@argonet.co.uk>,
    Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> wrote:


    If you want to skip the first five labels on the sheet, just put
    five blank lines before your first label.

    Do you mean blank lines in the CSV file if not, where?

    Bob.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk on Sun Nov 21 10:49:15 2021
    In article <598ecb893cUCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
    John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <598eca6fefbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    If you want to skip the first five labels on the sheet, just put
    five blank lines before your first label.

    Do you mean blank lines in the CSV file if not, where?

    I would imagine it must be lines with the appropriate commas in the
    CSV file, thus printing nothing on the first row of labels
    (whatever the number used/needed).

    You may need the same at the bottom of the page!

    Ah, yes I see. Thanks.

    I'd already found that the first line in the CSV file sets how many
    print lines (fields) each label has. So if the first csv line only
    has 5 fields then subsequent Labels (CSV lines) with six fields don't
    have their last line printed.

    Thanks.

    Bob.

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  • From John Williams (News)@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sun Nov 21 10:55:09 2021
    In article <598ecf8b0cbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    Ah, yes I see. Thanks.

    I've not used LaBella, but have a similar "commercial" program called
    UltiLabel which I persuaded a former workplace to buy me, and this
    subsequently went over to "PCs", so grappling with CSV files is not new to
    me!

    John

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sun Nov 21 11:54:26 2021
    In article <598ecb1dbbbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <598e899e82News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
    Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <598e83e2d7ajg@argonet.co.uk>,
    Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
    I haven't yet worked out how to skip labels during printing.

    If you want to skip the first five labels on the sheet, just put
    five blank lines before your first label.

    Better and easier to change 'Start at Label' in the Printing
    Setup window!

    Doesn't that only work on the first page? That would mean I would
    have to print each page on its own wouldn't it?

    Probably it assumes that subsequernt pages are complete sets of
    labels, only the first page may be part used.

    But this is not how to avoid printing on the first line of labels on
    *each* page - that I covered earlier. Your printer, the labella
    definitions, and the physical labels must all agree.

    --
    Martin Avison
    Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
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  • From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sun Nov 21 12:19:59 2021
    In article <598e6415d4bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>,
    Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
    Hi,

    Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?


    Within LaBella the labels I'm using are 105 x 37mm and 16 on a sheet
    and crucially there is no empty space between labels.

    Just checking these dimensions.

    Presumably the width 105 so 2 across an A4 age = 210 so barely any side
    margin (A4 is 210 label sheets may have a bit extra).

    If it's 2 across and 16 on a sheet that must be 8 down.
    37 x 8 = 296 which is the full A4 height so no top or bottom margin.

    Label Top Inset can be set to 0.0 or even a negative figure.

    --
    Chris Newman

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Martin on Sun Nov 21 12:45:20 2021
    In article <598ed582a0News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
    Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:


    But this is not how to avoid printing on the first line of labels on
    *each* page - that I covered earlier. Your printer, the labella
    definitions, and the physical labels must all agree.

    I thought they did but I was surprised to find..

    A4 paper 297mm long.
    Paper size in driver set to 297mm.

    A4 paper 210mm wide.
    Paper size in driver set to 210mm.


    A4 labels 298.5 long.
    A4 labels 210.5mm wide

    The labels claim to be 105mmx37mm but are to my eyes a fraction of a
    mm larger. I'm not sure I could measure that tiny amount. but 210.5/8
    gives 37.3mm which is probably correct-ish.

    I didn't really want to set up another page size for the printer to
    be honest and I've cheated my way out of trouble by placing 5 line
    addresses at the end of each page.


    Bob.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Sun Nov 21 13:16:38 2021
    In article <598ed7d983cvjazz@waitrose.com>,
    Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
    In article <598e6415d4bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>,
    Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
    Hi,

    Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?


    Within LaBella the labels I'm using are 105 x 37mm and 16 on a
    sheet and crucially there is no empty space between labels.

    Just checking these dimensions.

    Presumably the width 105 so 2 across an A4 age = 210 so barely any
    side margin (A4 is 210 label sheets may have a bit extra).

    If it's 2 across and 16 on a sheet that must be 8 down. 37 x 8 =
    296 which is the full A4 height so no top or bottom margin.

    Label Top Inset can be set to 0.0 or even a negative figure.

    Yes -ish.

    My printer requires a 5mm border on all 4 sides.
    A4 paper = 297mm x 210mm
    Driver set correctly for those 6 values.

    Labels are 2 across 8 down and are supposed to be 105x37mm
    However label pages in reality are approx..
    A4 labels 298.5 long.
    A4 labels 210.5mm wide

    The width isn't a problem but the length obviously chops an extra 2mm
    off the bottom of a label page which the driver doesn't know about
    without creating another paper size.

    Bob.

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sun Nov 21 13:25:46 2021
    In article <598eda2bccbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <598ed582a0News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
    Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

    But this is not how to avoid printing on the first line of labels
    on *each* page - that I covered earlier. Your printer, the
    labella definitions, and the physical labels must all agree.

    I thought they did but I was surprised to find..

    A4 paper 297mm long.
    Paper size in driver set to 297mm.

    A4 paper 210mm wide.
    Paper size in driver set to 210mm.


    A4 labels 298.5 long.
    A4 labels 210.5mm wide

    The labels claim to be 105mmx37mm but are to my eyes a fraction of
    a mm larger. I'm not sure I could measure that tiny amount. but
    210.5/8 gives 37.3mm which is probably correct-ish.

    I didn't really want to set up another page size for the printer to
    be honest and I've cheated my way out of trouble by placing 5 line
    addresses at the end of each page.

    Did you check the printable margins all agree?

    --
    Martin Avison
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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sun Nov 21 15:11:03 2021
    In article <598ee26e33bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <598edddeccNews03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
    Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

    [Snip]

    The labels claim to be 105mmx37mm but are to my eyes a fraction
    of a mm larger. I'm not sure I could measure that tiny amount.
    but 210.5/8 gives 37.3mm which is probably correct-ish.

    The printer requires 5mm on all 4 sides. The driver is set to 5mm
    all round. I don't know of any other margin settings.

    That all looks fine ... but I had not realised that your labels cover
    all the sheet - all the ones I have used have had a non-label bit
    along all 4 sides.

    You should be able to print 5mm down from the top of the top row of
    labels, and 5mm up from the bottom of the bottom row of labels. As
    long as that is ok on all labels, you should be able to use all of
    them, if you avoid printing on the top & bottom 5mm.

    Label settings I would try...
    Height = Col Pitch = 37.3
    Width = Col Pitch = 105
    Top Inset = Left Inset = 0
    Line Spacing Top Inset = 5 (or even 6)

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Martin on Sun Nov 21 14:15:35 2021
    In article <598edddeccNews03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
    Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <598eda2bccbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <598ed582a0News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
    Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

    But this is not how to avoid printing on the first line of labels
    on *each* page - that I covered earlier. Your printer, the
    labella definitions, and the physical labels must all agree.

    I thought they did but I was surprised to find..

    A4 paper 297mm long.
    Paper size in driver set to 297mm.

    A4 paper 210mm wide.
    Paper size in driver set to 210mm.


    A4 labels 298.5 long.
    A4 labels 210.5mm wide

    The labels claim to be 105mmx37mm but are to my eyes a fraction of
    a mm larger. I'm not sure I could measure that tiny amount. but
    210.5/8 gives 37.3mm which is probably correct-ish.

    I didn't really want to set up another page size for the printer
    to be honest and I've cheated my way out of trouble by placing 5
    line addresses at the end of each page.

    Did you check the printable margins all agree?

    The printer requires 5mm on all 4 sides. The driver is set to 5mm all
    round. I don't know of any other margin settings.

    Bob.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Martin on Sun Nov 21 18:09:31 2021
    In article <598ee782bcNews03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
    Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

    You should be able to print 5mm down from the top of the top row of
    labels,

    I agree with that, makes sense.

    and 5mm up from the bottom of the bottom row of labels.

    Not so sure about that because as it stands the printer driver is
    unaware that the page is longer than A4 by 1.5mm.

    As long as that is ok on all labels, you should be able to use all
    of them, if you avoid printing on the top & bottom 5mm.

    The top yes, the bottom .???...

    Label settings I would try...
    Height = Col Pitch = 37.3
    Width = Col Pitch = 105
    Top Inset = Left Inset = 0
    Line Spacing Top Inset = 5 (or even 6)

    Interesting, I need to get my head around that, thanks.

    Bob.

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