Very sadly I've had to stop using Pluto and POPstar for my email, as I've
had to go over to imap.
It's obviously just a personal thing, but I've bought Messenger Pro which does work with imap just fine - but I like it no more than ThunderBird on
the dark side. And nothing near as much as I liked Pluto - although the
devil I know type thing.
POP3S arrived to cope with TLS.
In message <5988bacde0dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
Very sadly I've had to stop using Pluto and POPstar for my email,
as I've had to go over to imap.
It's obviously just a personal thing, but I've bought Messenger
Pro which does work with imap just fine - but I like it no more
than ThunderBird on the dark side. And nothing near as much as I
liked Pluto - although the devil I know type thing.
POP3S arrived to cope with TLS.
I don't understand why you gave up POP3. Your provider stopped one
of the servers, which meant that the particular login you used to
use was no longer available; but they didn't discontinue POP3.
AIUI, all you needed to do was to persevere with finding the
correct login. You did with IMAP; you could have done the same
with POP3.
AntiSpam and MSC handle POP3S, using the AcornSSL module, and
integrate very well with MPro; that's the combination I use.
In article <ec7bc58859.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
I don't understand why you gave up POP3. Your provider stopped one
of the servers, which meant that the particular login you used to
use was no longer available; but they didn't discontinue POP3.
AIUI, all you needed to do was to persevere with finding the
correct login. You did with IMAP; you could have done the same
with POP3.
Agreed, but I was unclear whether the provider stopped all POP3, or
just one server.
AntiSpam and MSC handle POP3S, using the AcornSSL module, and
integrate very well with MPro; that's the combination I use.
And they also work well with Pluto, which is what I am using here.
I've not used Pluto but I think the difficulty with it doing IMAP
is that with POP it downloads into its own database, which is the
primary repository of received email. With IMAP the database lives
on the server and messages are synced back and forth via the IMAP
protocol. It's possible that Pluto is not designed for this
syncing, although if the database is simple enough it might be
possible for an example program to do it (for example, when Pluto
is not running).
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
In article <ec7bc58859.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
I don't understand why you gave up POP3. Your provider stopped one
of the servers, which meant that the particular login you used to
use was no longer available; but they didn't discontinue POP3.
AIUI, all you needed to do was to persevere with finding the
correct login. You did with IMAP; you could have done the same
with POP3.
Agreed, but I was unclear whether the provider stopped all POP3, or
just one server.
Just one server: https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/ Gives the details for the new incoming mail server: pop.123-reg.co.uk
Although it sounded like Dave's account was in a mess of legacy setup,
once that was sorted out I'd expect the new server to work.
AntiSpam and MSC handle POP3S, using the AcornSSL module, and
integrate very well with MPro; that's the combination I use.
And they also work well with Pluto, which is what I am using here.
I've not used Pluto but I think the difficulty with it doing IMAP is
that with POP it downloads into its own database, which is the primary repository of received email. With IMAP the database lives on the
server and messages are synced back and forth via the IMAP protocol.
It's possible that Pluto is not designed for this syncing, although if
the database is simple enough it might be possible for an example
program to do it (for example, when Pluto is not running).
Theo
Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my
current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection. GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received.
Connection closed.
*
Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my
current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection. GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received.
Connection closed.
In message <59892a9fb0dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
If anyone has got this working I'd be very grateful if they'd post here
(or email me) with their POPstar and POP3s choices (personal details omitted, of course.
With Hermes I have the following:
POP3 mail server: pop.123-reg.co.uk
Port: 110
User name: Full email address
Password: The pasword
Under security Authenicatd login (APOP) ticked.
In article <cPf*WGRyy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
In article <ec7bc58859.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
I don't understand why you gave up POP3. Your provider stopped one
of the servers, which meant that the particular login you used to
use was no longer available; but they didn't discontinue POP3.
AIUI, all you needed to do was to persevere with finding the
correct login. You did with IMAP; you could have done the same
with POP3.
Agreed, but I was unclear whether the provider stopped all POP3, or
just one server.
Just one server:
https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/
Gives the details for the new incoming mail server: pop.123-reg.co.uk
Although it sounded like Dave's account was in a mess of legacy setup,
once that was sorted out I'd expect the new server to work.
Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my
current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might >work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection. >GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received.
Connection closed.
*
If anyone has got this working I'd be very grateful if they'd post here
(or email me) with their POPstar and POP3s choices (personal details
omitted, of course.
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection. GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received. Connection closed. *
Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 into POP3s?
It appears to be speaking correct TLS: https://decoder.link/sslchecker/pop.123-reg.co.uk/995
Note you want pure TLS (aka SSL) here. If there's a setting for STARTTLS
you *don't* want that.
In message <cPf*-uVyy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used my current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection. GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received. Connection closed. *
Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 into POP3s?
It appears to be speaking correct TLS: https://decoder.link/sslchecker/pop.123-reg.co.uk/995
Note you want pure TLS (aka SSL) here. If there's a setting for STARTTLS you *don't* want that.
Just to add that my reading of their help pages brings me to the same conclusion.
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
In message <cPf*-uVyy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used myDid you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 into POP3s?
current password. Tried just about every port option I've been told might
work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the encrypted connection. >> > > GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received. Connection closed. * >> >
It appears to be speaking correct TLS:
https://decoder.link/sslchecker/pop.123-reg.co.uk/995
Note you want pure TLS (aka SSL) here. If there's a setting for STARTTLS >> > you *don't* want that.
Just to add that my reading of their help pages brings me to the same
conclusion.
I was momentarily confused because it seems pop.123-reg.co.uk offers both
POP and IMAP, but they have different certificates. So when I tried to talk >TLS to it on port 993 I got the certificate for imap.123-reg, while on port >995 I got the certificate for pop.123-reg.
Conversely the server imap.123-reg.co.uk only offers IMAP, and isn't >listening on the POP port.
That's perfectly fine, but confusing if you mistype the port number (as I >did) - you get connected to the 'wrong' server and get a certificate
mismatch error. That could be the 'TLS fatal alert' reported - the message >itself doesn't specify any explanation *why* the TLS connection failed.
It could also be that the server is running a newer version of TLS compared >with the support in POP3s and has disabled older versions. Or that Dave >doesn't have a suitable certificate chain available on his machine. The
cert is issued by:
Go Daddy Root Certificate Authority - G2
Perhaps someone who uses the setup in POP3s can check that that's present in >CACertificates?
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
In message <cPf*-uVyy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk and used
my current password. Tried just about every port option I've been
told might work. But get from POP3S *** Error by opening the
encrypted connection. GnuTLS error: A TLS fatal alert has been received. Connection closed. *
Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 into POP3s? It appears to be speaking correct TLS: https://decoder.link/sslchecker/pop.123-reg.co.uk/995
Note you want pure TLS (aka SSL) here. If there's a setting for
STARTTLS you *don't* want that.
Just to add that my reading of their help pages brings me to the same conclusion.
I was momentarily confused because it seems pop.123-reg.co.uk offers
both POP and IMAP, but they have different certificates. So when I
tried to talk TLS to it on port 993 I got the certificate for
imap.123-reg, while on port 995 I got the certificate for pop.123-reg.
Conversely the server imap.123-reg.co.uk only offers IMAP, and isn't listening on the POP port.
That's perfectly fine, but confusing if you mistype the port number (as
I did) - you get connected to the 'wrong' server and get a certificate mismatch error. That could be the 'TLS fatal alert' reported - the
message itself doesn't specify any explanation *why* the TLS connection failed.
It could also be that the server is running a newer version of TLS
compared with the support in POP3s and has disabled older versions. Or
that Dave doesn't have a suitable certificate chain available on his
machine. The cert is issued by:
Go Daddy Root Certificate Authority - G2
Perhaps someone who uses the setup in POP3s can check that that's
present in CACertificates?
Well, I'm even more confused here.
It does all work with Messenger pro using imap. If I try using Hermes with pop-123, I get connection failed.
Since I've changed passwords at 123-reg more often than socks, could there
be a different one for their pop server and imap? Can't see anyway of checking. Only password it gives you the ability to change is the mailbox one.
In message <aPf*2EVyy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
In message <cPf*-uVyy@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
Well, I've altered POPstar and POP3s to pop.123-reg.co.uk
and used my current password. Tried just about every port
option I've been told might work. But get from POP3S ***
Error by opening the encrypted connection. GnuTLS error: A
TLS fatal alert has been received. Connection closed. *
Did you try pop.123-reg.co.uk port 995 into POP3s? It appears
to be speaking correct TLS:
https://decoder.link/sslchecker/pop.123-reg.co.uk/995
Note you want pure TLS (aka SSL) here. If there's a setting
for STARTTLS you *don't* want that.
Just to add that my reading of their help pages brings me to the
same conclusion.
I was momentarily confused because it seems pop.123-reg.co.uk
offers both POP and IMAP, but they have different certificates.
So when I tried to talk TLS to it on port 993 I got the
certificate for imap.123-reg, while on port 995 I got the
certificate for pop.123-reg.
Conversely the server imap.123-reg.co.uk only offers IMAP, and
isn't listening on the POP port.
That's perfectly fine, but confusing if you mistype the port
number (as I did) - you get connected to the 'wrong' server and
get a certificate mismatch error. That could be the 'TLS fatal
alert' reported - the message itself doesn't specify any
explanation *why* the TLS connection failed.
It could also be that the server is running a newer version of TLS
compared with the support in POP3s and has disabled older
versions. Or that Dave doesn't have a suitable certificate chain
available on his machine. The cert is issued by:
Go Daddy Root Certificate Authority - G2
Perhaps someone who uses the setup in POP3s can check that that's
present in CACertificates?
And that it's up to date - see the recent postings in the ROOL fora
on this topic (I released UpdCaCert to try to help, but
unfortunately the CACertificates app presents a non-standard
location for certs).
If AntiSpam is used for POP receives and SMPT sends, and AcornSSL is installed, then the standard certificate location is used. However, I
notice that DaveP is posting from RO4.39, so AcornSSL & certificates
will need to have been installed.
I am not a user of 123, but I agree that their website does indicate
that POP is still available. However, I did notice a page about
changing 'Popbox' to 'Mailbox', and I wondered if that might be
relevant? It is at... https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/
Martin
In article <59893f1938News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
If AntiSpam is used for POP receives and SMPT sends, and AcornSSL
is installed, then the standard certificate location is used.
However, I notice that DaveP is posting from RO4.39, so AcornSSL
& certificates will need to have been installed.
I am not a user of 123, but I agree that their website does
indicate that POP is still available. However, I did notice a
page about changing 'Popbox' to 'Mailbox', and I wondered if that
might be relevant? It is at... https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/
I'd forgotten about AntiSpam. Configured it for 123-reg and it
started a fetch. Before crashing 'To many nested structures at line
9150.'
This whole problem started with 123-reg changing everyone from a
popbox to mailbox. And their 'auto migrate' making a mess of things
- even on the PC.
The possibility that ISPs *may* at some point cease pop3 support in
favour of imap only has me thinking.
will continue to offer POP3 until the cows come home.
In article <5989415787dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
In article <59893f1938News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
If AntiSpam is used for POP receives and SMPT sends, and AcornSSL
is installed, then the standard certificate location is used.
However, I notice that DaveP is posting from RO4.39, so AcornSSL
& certificates will need to have been installed.
I am not a user of 123, but I agree that their website does
indicate that POP is still available. However, I did notice a
page about changing 'Popbox' to 'Mailbox', and I wondered if that
might be relevant? It is at... https://www.123-reg.co.uk/support/email/upgrading-pop3-to-new-mailboxes/
I'd forgotten about AntiSpam. Configured it for 123-reg and it
started a fetch. Before crashing 'To many nested structures at line
9150.'
There is no line 9150 in the current version - v1.68 (29-10-2020).
What version are you using?
[I see you are using Pluto v3.16 from 2016, rather than v3.18 from
2020 ... but now is not the time to change until email is sorted]
Do you have AcornSSL v1.06 installed?
Do you have INetDBase:CertData installed? (preferably 26 Oct 2021 or
later)
That combination of AntiSpam, Pluto & AcornSSL works fine for me on
RO4.39 ... for my ISP.
What are the two servers and their ports set to?
What is the Security setting?
This whole problem started with 123-reg changing everyone from a
popbox to mailbox. And their 'auto migrate' making a mess of things
- even on the PC.
I read the page, but it meant nothing to me, as my ISP has always used mailboxes (whether they be the same or different to yours I have no
idea).
Right. Got the latest version of AntiSpam. And the latest version of
Pluto, as mine didn't have AntiSpam in its list.
Got AntiSpam fetching OK from both BT and 123-reg - but debatch on
Pluto doesn't load the mails it fetches. I'm boss eyed reading help
files.
Very sadly I've had to stop using Pluto and POPstar for my email, as I've
had to go over to imap.
It's obviously just a personal thing, but I've bought Messenger Pro which does work with imap just fine - but I like it no more than ThunderBird on
the dark side. And nothing near as much as I liked Pluto - although the
devil I know type thing.
POP3S arrived to cope with TLS.
In article <5988bacde0dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
Very sadly I've had to stop using Pluto and POPstar for my email, as
I've had to go over to imap.
It's obviously just a personal thing, but I've bought Messenger Pro
which does work with imap just fine - but I like it no more than ThunderBird on the dark side. And nothing near as much as I liked
Pluto - although the devil I know type thing.
POP3S arrived to cope with TLS.
Many moons ago I had to change from POPStar to Hermes - reason - I needed
SSL and this was included in the NetFetch program - which also includes a
lot of other stuff. I think the other stuff is there to make things
simpler - but inevitably they complicate things!
Hermes was written to replace POPStar - and has been constantly upgraded since.
In article <598a59f1b5dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
Right. Got the latest version of AntiSpam. And the latest version of
Pluto, as mine didn't have AntiSpam in its list.
Got AntiSpam fetching OK from both BT and 123-reg - but debatch on Pluto doesn't load the mails it fetches. I'm boss eyed reading help files.
Can I suggest you email me directly and I will try to help? My address is
in the Pluto Help manual - please do not use the one above.
I hope that one of you is going to post back soon, telling us of a
successful conclusion.
Yes - Hermes does work with Pluto. But POP3S with POPstar did work with BT and 123-reg, until 123-reg changed things.
Think what I want is only to download new messages - and not delete them
from the server. I can manage that side from the PC.
In message <598a621ca9News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
In article <598a59f1b5dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
Right. Got the latest version of AntiSpam. And the latest version of Pluto, as mine didn't have AntiSpam in its list.
Got AntiSpam fetching OK from both BT and 123-reg - but debatch on
Pluto doesn't load the mails it fetches. I'm boss eyed reading help files.
Can I suggest you email me directly and I will try to help? My address
is in the Pluto Help manual - please do not use the one above.
I hope that one of you is going to post back soon, telling us of a
successful conclusion.
David
I have a workround - sort of.
Since Pluto only mentions Hermes, I'd been using it outside
Netfetch.
Using Netfetch but with Pluto still set to Hermes seems now to
operate just like POPStar did.
In article <598bd32803dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
[Snip]
I have a workround - sort of.
Since Pluto only mentions Hermes, I'd been using it outside
Netfetch.
Pluto does *not* "only mention Hermes.
Where did you get that from?
Using Netfetch but with Pluto still set to Hermes seems now to
operate just like POPStar did.
Of course Pluto will work with Hermes - as it will work with AntiSpam.
[I await a reply to my PM sent at 15:12 today]
Your problem was that Hermes would not work with 123, I thought.
All I want is Pluto working as it did.
The other thing is I want to be able to set it so it only downloads new mails. That seems to work OK using Netfetch. Of course I could well have missed the correct configuration on others.
I have a workround - sort of.
Since Pluto only mentions Hermes, I'd been using it outside
Netfetch.
Using Netfetch but with Pluto still set to Hermes seems now to
operate just like POPStar did.
Hi Dave.
I tried to send you an email earlier. It bounced!
Can you send me an email from a working address. The one I
use for this group will be fine.
John
In article <598bea2285newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk>, John
<newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Dave.
I tried to send you an email earlier. It bounced!
Can you send me an email from a working address. The
one I use for this group will be fine.
John
Which Dave among the many were you trying to reach John?
It doesn't have Netfetch in its choices.
In article <598bd32803dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
I have a workround - sort of.
Since Pluto only mentions Hermes, I'd been using it outside
Netfetch.
Using Netfetch but with Pluto still set to Hermes seems now to
operate just like POPStar did.
Could you expand on that please? I know people do use Netfetch but
I've never understood why. I thought its main function was
simplification, if it has functionality differences I'd like to know
about it.
Would love to understand what the configuration difference was that
made it work.
Hi Dave.
I tried to send you an email earlier. It bounced!
Can you send me an email from a working address. The one I
use for this group will be fine.
In article <598be7bd5ebob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
In article <598bd32803dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
I have a workround - sort of.
Since Pluto only mentions Hermes, I'd been using it outside
Netfetch.
Using Netfetch but with Pluto still set to Hermes seems now to
operate just like POPStar did.
Could you expand on that please? I know people do use Netfetch
but I've never understood why. I thought its main function was simplification, if it has functionality differences I'd like to
know about it.
Would love to understand what the configuration difference was
that made it work.
Basically, with Hermes only, it downloaded the entire mailbox each
time. Found a setting on Netfetch for new mails only. Of course I
might be missing the same function in Hermes.
On 15 Nov, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
<598bd7d8c6dave@davenoise.co.uk>:
It doesn't have Netfetch in its choices.
It won't do: Hermes is the mail transport whichever way you set
things up; NetFetch is just a wrapper around Hermes.
Either way, Pluto will only see Hermes, as Pluto is only interested
in mail transports.
In article <598bea2285newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk>, John
<newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Dave.
I tried to send you an email earlier. It bounced!
Can you send me an email from a working address. The
one I use for this group will be fine.
Did you look at the instructions in my sig?
But I thought the problem was that you could get pop3 to work at all
not that you limit to new stuff only.
In article <mpro.r2n1n001d1llb0484.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
On 15 Nov, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
<598bd7d8c6dave@davenoise.co.uk>:
It doesn't have Netfetch in its choices.
It won't do: Hermes is the mail transport whichever way you set
things up; NetFetch is just a wrapper around Hermes.
Either way, Pluto will only see Hermes, as Pluto is only interested
in mail transports.
To clarify: Pluto will not see Netfetch, as it is not a mail
transport, but transports it can use include Hermes, AntiSpam,
PopStar, and many older ones.
In practical use it makes no difference. You just click the Netfetch icon
to do a fetch etc rather than the Hermes one.
In article <598c5041a8dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]
In practical use it makes no difference. You just click the Netfetch icon to do a fetch etc rather than the Hermes one.
What!
If you are taking that route...
Why not click menu over the NF icon bar icon and look at the Fetch/Send options?
123-reg changed things. Told me in a personal reply I had to use imap.
Later discovered (from here, etc) that I could also use their POP server.
On 16/11/2021 13:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
123-reg changed things. Told me in a personal reply I had to use imap. Later discovered (from here, etc) that I could also use their POP server.
Who told you, if it was first line support I would be inclined to
believe they didn't understand the question. If it was second or third
line support, it might hold more weight.
---druck
Could you expand on that please? I know people do use Netfetch but
I've never understood why. I thought its main function was
simplification, if it has functionality differences I'd like to know
about it.
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