History is my email host, 123-reg, changed from a pop box to mail box. And
it seems Pluto/POPstar can't do imap. My other used email address with BT
still works normally with Pluto. In other words, a real PITA.

Had plenty problems sorting out the 123-reg side, as to be perfectly
honest the way things like 'host' and so on is used seems to vary so much.
But likely me not understanding it.

But I now have dave@davesound.co.uk (with 123-reg) working correctly with Thunderbird.

Getting Messanger Pro to do the same is defeating me.

Seems to be the site settings RemoteNB.

What should the Host name be?
Mail Domain presumably davesound.co.uk.

And on server settings:-
What should SSL/TLS be set to?

Andrew has been very helpful, but what I need is an idiot's guide.

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In message <5980e4f0dcdave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

History is my email host, 123-reg, changed from a pop box to mail box. And
it seems Pluto/POPstar can't do imap. My other used email address with BT >still works normally with Pluto. In other words, a real PITA.

Had plenty problems sorting out the 123-reg side, as to be perfectly
honest the way things like 'host' and so on is used seems to vary so much. >But likely me not understanding it.

But I now have dave@davesound.co.uk (with 123-reg) working correctly with >Thunderbird.

Have you tried dave.davesound.co.uk in Messanger Pro?




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In message <5980e4f0dcdave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

But I now have dave@davesound.co.uk (with 123-reg) working correctly with Thunderbird.

Getting Messanger Pro to do the same is defeating me.

Seems to be the site settings RemoteNB.

What should the Host name be?
Mail Domain presumably davesound.co.uk.

And on server settings:-
What should SSL/TLS be set to?

Andrew has been very helpful, but what I need is an idiot's guide.

I've always thought setting up IMAP in Messenger Pro is way harder than it ought to be.

I used to run MPro with 123-reg some time ago, but now use it with
Outlook. Let's see if I can point you in the right direction.

1. Open !RemoteNB from with !Messenger.Servers (quit MPro 1st)
2. From the iconbar menu, select Site
3. Host name is your domain name. For me it is outlook.com. For you this
will be davesound.co.uk
4. Mail domain most likely again davesound.co.uk
5. Save Settings
6. Click Server from the menu
7. Server name - 123 imap server: imap.123-reg.co.uk
8. Use SSL/TLS User SSL/TLS when available
9. For my Outlook setup, in Private folder path I have it set as: ~/mail
10. Outgoing mail smtp.123-reg.co.uk
11. Use SSL/TLS User SSL/TLS when available
12. I also have News (NNTP) configured as nntp.aioe.org
13. Save Settins
14. Click Users from the menu and edit/create yourself
15. Click Remote details button and enter your login details for your 123 account. Most likely your email address as the account name
16. Click Server Details and confirm the server name, smpt and nntp
details have present. If not, you will have to re-enter them. Click
relevant set and save buttons. Quit RemoteNB and Open MPro. With a bit
of luck, you will be good to go.


Dave. Hopefully the above helps you out a little and does not cause more confusion. IMAP does work in MPro, just not a walk in the park like Thunderbird or Outlook to configure.
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In article <45f4218159.Paul@outlook.com>,
Paul Stewart <narrowboat-paul@outlook.com> wrote:

In message <5980e4f0dcdave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

But I now have dave@davesound.co.uk (with 123-reg) working correctly with Thunderbird.

Getting Messanger Pro to do the same is defeating me.

Seems to be the site settings RemoteNB.

What should the Host name be?
Mail Domain presumably davesound.co.uk.

And on server settings:-
What should SSL/TLS be set to?

Andrew has been very helpful, but what I need is an idiot's guide.

I've always thought setting up IMAP in Messenger Pro is way harder than it ought to be.

I used to run MPro with 123-reg some time ago, but now use it with
Outlook. Let's see if I can point you in the right direction.

1. Open !RemoteNB from with !Messenger.Servers (quit MPro 1st)
2. From the iconbar menu, select Site
3. Host name is your domain name. For me it is outlook.com. For you this will be davesound.co.uk
4. Mail domain most likely again davesound.co.uk
5. Save Settings
6. Click Server from the menu
7. Server name - 123 imap server: imap.123-reg.co.uk
8. Use SSL/TLS User SSL/TLS when available
9. For my Outlook setup, in Private folder path I have it set as: ~/mail
10. Outgoing mail smtp.123-reg.co.uk
11. Use SSL/TLS User SSL/TLS when available
12. I also have News (NNTP) configured as nntp.aioe.org
13. Save Settins
14. Click Users from the menu and edit/create yourself
15. Click Remote details button and enter your login details for your 123 account. Most likely your email address as the account name
16. Click Server Details and confirm the server name, smpt and nntp
details have present. If not, you will have to re-enter them. Click relevant set and save buttons. Quit RemoteNB and Open MPro. With a bit
of luck, you will be good to go.

Dave. Hopefully the above helps you out a little and does not cause more confusion. IMAP does work in MPro, just not a walk in the park like Thunderbird or Outlook to configure.

Thanks, Paul. Think this is exactly what I need. Unfortunately seem to
have broken Messenger. Most of the options in the menu now greyed out.

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In message <598169be33dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

In article <45f4218159.Paul@outlook.com>,
Paul Stewart <narrowboat-paul@outlook.com> wrote:

In message <5980e4f0dcdave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

But I now have dave@davesound.co.uk (with 123-reg) working correctly with >>> Thunderbird.

Getting Messanger Pro to do the same is defeating me.

Seems to be the site settings RemoteNB.

What should the Host name be?
Mail Domain presumably davesound.co.uk.

And on server settings:-
What should SSL/TLS be set to?

Andrew has been very helpful, but what I need is an idiot's guide.

I've always thought setting up IMAP in Messenger Pro is way harder than it >> ought to be.

I used to run MPro with 123-reg some time ago, but now use it with
Outlook. Let's see if I can point you in the right direction.

1. Open !RemoteNB from with !Messenger.Servers (quit MPro 1st)
2. From the iconbar menu, select Site
3. Host name is your domain name. For me it is outlook.com. For you this
will be davesound.co.uk
4. Mail domain most likely again davesound.co.uk
5. Save Settings
6. Click Server from the menu
7. Server name - 123 imap server: imap.123-reg.co.uk
8. Use SSL/TLS User SSL/TLS when available
9. For my Outlook setup, in Private folder path I have it set as: ~/mail
10. Outgoing mail smtp.123-reg.co.uk
11. Use SSL/TLS User SSL/TLS when available
12. I also have News (NNTP) configured as nntp.aioe.org
13. Save Settins
14. Click Users from the menu and edit/create yourself
15. Click Remote details button and enter your login details for your 123
account. Most likely your email address as the account name
16. Click Server Details and confirm the server name, smpt and nntp
details have present. If not, you will have to re-enter them. Click
relevant set and save buttons. Quit RemoteNB and Open MPro. With a bit
of luck, you will be good to go.

Dave. Hopefully the above helps you out a little and does not cause more
confusion. IMAP does work in MPro, just not a walk in the park like
Thunderbird or Outlook to configure.

Thanks, Paul. Think this is exactly what I need. Unfortunately seem to
have broken Messenger. Most of the options in the menu now greyed out.

Dave, within the Messenger Pro Zip file you would have got is a Tips
folder, explaining how you would configure IMAP for Gmail or Hotmail(Outlook.com) for instance, the process is basically the same as
Paul has suggested.

The only bit I can see missing from the above is the following taken from
the Tip file.

quote:
Finally, click "Access control..." and make sure to tick
"User is a system administrator".

Click Set, then Save.

Finally, quit !RemoteNB from iconbar, and run !Messenger.
End Quote:

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In article <aff6718159.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

In message <598169be33dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

In article <45f4218159.Paul@outlook.com>,
Paul Stewart <narrowboat-paul@outlook.com> wrote:

In message <5980e4f0dcdave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

But I now have dave@davesound.co.uk (with 123-reg) working correctly with
Thunderbird.

Getting Messanger Pro to do the same is defeating me.

Seems to be the site settings RemoteNB.

What should the Host name be?
Mail Domain presumably davesound.co.uk.

And on server settings:-
What should SSL/TLS be set to?

Andrew has been very helpful, but what I need is an idiot's guide.

I've always thought setting up IMAP in Messenger Pro is way harder than it >> ought to be.

I used to run MPro with 123-reg some time ago, but now use it with
Outlook. Let's see if I can point you in the right direction.

1. Open !RemoteNB from with !Messenger.Servers (quit MPro 1st)
2. From the iconbar menu, select Site
3. Host name is your domain name. For me it is outlook.com. For you this >> will be davesound.co.uk
4. Mail domain most likely again davesound.co.uk
5. Save Settings
6. Click Server from the menu
7. Server name - 123 imap server: imap.123-reg.co.uk
8. Use SSL/TLS User SSL/TLS when available
9. For my Outlook setup, in Private folder path I have it set as: ~/mail >> 10. Outgoing mail smtp.123-reg.co.uk
11. Use SSL/TLS User SSL/TLS when available
12. I also have News (NNTP) configured as nntp.aioe.org
13. Save Settins
14. Click Users from the menu and edit/create yourself
15. Click Remote details button and enter your login details for your 123 >> account. Most likely your email address as the account name
16. Click Server Details and confirm the server name, smpt and nntp
details have present. If not, you will have to re-enter them. Click
relevant set and save buttons. Quit RemoteNB and Open MPro. With a bit >> of luck, you will be good to go.

Dave. Hopefully the above helps you out a little and does not cause more >> confusion. IMAP does work in MPro, just not a walk in the park like
Thunderbird or Outlook to configure.

Thanks, Paul. Think this is exactly what I need. Unfortunately seem to
have broken Messenger. Most of the options in the menu now greyed out.

Dave, within the Messenger Pro Zip file you would have got is a Tips
folder, explaining how you would configure IMAP for Gmail or Hotmail(Outlook.com) for instance, the process is basically the same as
Paul has suggested.

The only bit I can see missing from the above is the following taken from
the Tip file.

quote:
Finally, click "Access control..." and make sure to tick
"User is a system administrator".

Click Set, then Save.

Finally, quit !RemoteNB from iconbar, and run !Messenger.
End Quote:

Not sure what I've got here. Bought from Andrew with the only requirement
to use my dave@davesound.co.uk address with 123-reg. And don't think I've
got Messenger Pro, but a tweaked version of Messenger.

Although RemoteNB does say it's for Messenger Pro and IMAP.

Been through all the details in both these posts and get IMAP login fail authentication error.

Can I just check again. In site settings and host name. There are two
boxes with a dot between them. I've entered davesound in the first and
co.uk in the second. Which makes no sense to me.

I've tried leaving the first box blank and davesound.co.uk in the second.

And dave in the first box too.

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In message <59817dc8a3dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

Although RemoteNB does say it's for Messenger Pro and IMAP.

Been through all the details in both these posts and get IMAP login fail authentication error.

Can I just check again. In site settings and host name. There are two
boxes with a dot between them. I've entered davesound in the first and
co.uk in the second. Which makes no sense to me.

I've tried leaving the first box blank and davesound.co.uk in the second.

And dave in the first box too.

Host name box 1: davesound (outlook)
Host name box 2: .co.uk (.com)
Mail domain: davesound.co.uk (outlook.com)

I've added in brackets how mine is configured for outlook as comparison.
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In article <2c9a9f8159.Paul@outlook.com>,
Paul Stewart <narrowboat-paul@outlook.com> wrote:

In message <59817dc8a3dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

Although RemoteNB does say it's for Messenger Pro and IMAP.

Been through all the details in both these posts and get IMAP login fail authentication error.

Can I just check again. In site settings and host name. There are two
boxes with a dot between them. I've entered davesound in the first and co.uk in the second. Which makes no sense to me.

I've tried leaving the first box blank and davesound.co.uk in the second.

And dave in the first box too.

Host name box 1: davesound (outlook)
Host name box 2: .co.uk (.com)
Mail domain: davesound.co.uk (outlook.com)

I've added in brackets how mine is configured for outlook as comparison.

That's how I first did it. But still doesn't work.

On Thunderbird, I had to set the 'fetch' port to 993. SMTP to 465. As
that's what 123-reg says to use. And it works there.

Where is the configuration data actually stored? So I could check there's nothing looks odd there. It worries me that most of the Messenger menu is greyed out - it wasn't when I originally installed it.

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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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In message <5981ed5604dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

In article <2c9a9f8159.Paul@outlook.com>,
Paul Stewart <narrowboat-paul@outlook.com> wrote:

In message <59817dc8a3dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

Although RemoteNB does say it's for Messenger Pro and IMAP.

Been through all the details in both these posts and get IMAP login fail >>> authentication error.

Can I just check again. In site settings and host name. There are two
boxes with a dot between them. I've entered davesound in the first and
co.uk in the second. Which makes no sense to me.

I've tried leaving the first box blank and davesound.co.uk in the second.

And dave in the first box too.

Host name box 1: davesound (outlook)
Host name box 2: .co.uk (.com)
Mail domain: davesound.co.uk (outlook.com)

I've added in brackets how mine is configured for outlook as comparison.

That's how I first did it. But still doesn't work.

On Thunderbird, I had to set the 'fetch' port to 993. SMTP to 465. As
that's what 123-reg says to use. And it works there.

Where is the configuration data actually stored? So I could check there's nothing looks odd there. It worries me that most of the Messenger menu is greyed out - it wasn't when I originally installed it.

Dave, my settings are stored in:
!Hermes.Choices.Accounts

So would expect yours to be in a similar location.

I suspect the reason for the greyed out menu options is because you forgot
to make your self the Administrator of the account, thus now treated as
just a user.

In Messenger pro goto the icon bar menu > choices > user Management (click
on it to open) find the user you set up - double clicking on it should
open another window and at the bottom of that window is a button called
'Access control' click on that and ensure the 'user is a system
administrator' is ticked.

You also check which ports for sending and receiving (IMAP and SMTP) are
set to via the messenger pro Choices window as well. Click on the Server choices Icon and then the network button and you will hopefully see what
ports have been set for IMAP and SMTP.

See how you get on.

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In article <5376f68159.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

In message <5981ed5604dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

In article <2c9a9f8159.Paul@outlook.com>,
Paul Stewart <narrowboat-paul@outlook.com> wrote:

In message <59817dc8a3dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

Although RemoteNB does say it's for Messenger Pro and IMAP.

Been through all the details in both these posts and get IMAP login fail >>> authentication error.

Can I just check again. In site settings and host name. There are two
boxes with a dot between them. I've entered davesound in the first and >>> co.uk in the second. Which makes no sense to me.

I've tried leaving the first box blank and davesound.co.uk in the second.

And dave in the first box too.

Host name box 1: davesound (outlook)
Host name box 2: .co.uk (.com)
Mail domain: davesound.co.uk (outlook.com)

I've added in brackets how mine is configured for outlook as comparison.

That's how I first did it. But still doesn't work.

On Thunderbird, I had to set the 'fetch' port to 993. SMTP to 465. As that's what 123-reg says to use. And it works there.

Where is the configuration data actually stored? So I could check there's nothing looks odd there. It worries me that most of the Messenger menu is greyed out - it wasn't when I originally installed it.

Dave, my settings are stored in:
!Hermes.Choices.Accounts

So would expect yours to be in a similar location.

I suspect the reason for the greyed out menu options is because you forgot
to make your self the Administrator of the account, thus now treated as
just a user.

In Messenger pro goto the icon bar menu > choices > user Management (click
on it to open) find the user you set up - double clicking on it should
open another window and at the bottom of that window is a button called 'Access control' click on that and ensure the 'user is a system administrator' is ticked.

Err, choices in the Messenger menu is greyed out. ;-) But it is set to administrator in RemoteNB.

You also check which ports for sending and receiving (IMAP and SMTP) are
set to via the messenger pro Choices window as well. Click on the Server choices Icon and then the network button and you will hopefully see what ports have been set for IMAP and SMTP.

See how you get on.

Only place I can find port info is in Hermes choices.

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On 27 Oct 2021 as I do recall,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article <5376f68159.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

I suspect the reason for the greyed out menu options is because you
forgot to make your self the Administrator of the account, thus now
treated as just a user.

In Messenger pro goto the icon bar menu > choices > user Management
(click on it to open) find the user you set up - double clicking on
it should open another window and at the bottom of that window is a
button called 'Access control' click on that and ensure the 'user
is a system administrator' is ticked.

Err, choices in the Messenger menu is greyed out. ;-)

Yes, it will be if you're logged in as a non-admin user - mine is at
the moment, and I have to log out and specifically log in as admin if I
want to do any reconfiguration.

If you open the log-in window from the iconbar menu and click on the
menu icon to the right of the 'User name' writable icon, it should give
you a list of all the available users. (And the text file !NewsDir.MsgServe.Users will list every user set up on the system,
including any you may have accidentally or deliberately set up as
'secret' which don't appear in the menu.)

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My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

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On 26/10/2021 15:05, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Not sure what I've got here. Bought from Andrew with the only requirement
to use my dave@davesound.co.uk address with 123-reg. And don't think I've
got Messenger Pro, but a tweaked version of Messenger.

I doubt if you are using Messenger non Pro unless you are running it on
an abacus. It might be useful if you give us the version numbers of all
the software you are trying to set up here.

---druck

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In article <sldlnh$eqt$1@dont-email.me>,
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 26/10/2021 15:05, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Not sure what I've got here. Bought from Andrew with the only requirement to use my dave@davesound.co.uk address with 123-reg. And don't think I've got Messenger Pro, but a tweaked version of Messenger.

I doubt if you are using Messenger non Pro unless you are running it on
an abacus. It might be useful if you give us the version numbers of all
the software you are trying to set up here.

Info for Messenger says

Messenger NF
R-Comp 1998-2012
5.4.00 (Netfetch) (22-Oct-2015

Bundle version supplied with Netfetch.

It was bought only a few weeks ago from Andrew. Just for imap as 123-reg changed everyone from a popbox to a mailbox. Pluto/POPstar still works OK
with my other email address from BT.

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In article <1d670e8259.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

Err, choices in the Messenger menu is greyed out. ;-)

Yes, it will be if you're logged in as a non-admin user - mine is at
the moment, and I have to log out and specifically log in as admin if I
want to do any reconfiguration.

If you open the log-in window from the iconbar menu and click on the
menu icon to the right of the 'User name' writable icon, it should give
you a list of all the available users.

Only Dave there.

(And the text file
!NewsDir.MsgServe.Users will list every user set up on the system,
including any you may have accidentally or deliberately set up as
'secret' which don't appear in the menu.)

Ah - no Users file there. Just Groups and Groups~

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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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In message <sle166$ts5$1@dont-email.me>
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 28/10/2021 11:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Info for Messenger says

Messenger NF
R-Comp 1998-2012
5.4.00 (Netfetch) (22-Oct-2015

Bundle version supplied with Netfetch.

It was bought only a few weeks ago from Andrew.

This is puzzling as 2015 is very old. I think I'm on the latest non
bundled versions according to PligStore, and I have:-

Messenger Pro 8.40 (20-Aug-2019)

Do you have a Tardis? R-Comp have only just release 8.05wpb1 a few days
ago - available on !Store

NetFetch 5.52 (1st May, 2019)
Heremes 5.52 (30 Apr 2020)

Both now on v5.53

--
Chris Hughes

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On 28/10/2021 11:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Info for Messenger says

Messenger NF
R-Comp 1998-2012
5.4.00 (Netfetch) (22-Oct-2015

Bundle version supplied with Netfetch.

It was bought only a few weeks ago from Andrew.

This is puzzling as 2015 is very old. I think I'm on the latest non
bundled versions according to PligStore, and I have:-

Messenger Pro 8.40 (20-Aug-2019)
NetFetch 5.52 (1st May, 2019)
Heremes 5.52 (30 Apr 2020)

---druck

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In article <sle166$ts5$1@dont-email.me>,
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 28/10/2021 11:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Info for Messenger says

Messenger NF
R-Comp 1998-2012
5.4.00 (Netfetch) (22-Oct-2015

Bundle version supplied with Netfetch.

It was bought only a few weeks ago from Andrew.

This is puzzling as 2015 is very old. I think I'm on the latest non
bundled versions according to PligStore, and I have:-

Messenger Pro 8.40 (20-Aug-2019)
NetFetch 5.52 (1st May, 2019)
Heremes 5.52 (30 Apr 2020)

I have

Hermes 5.52
NetFetch 5.53

NetFetch is up to 5.5 on the !Store but there is no price for an upgrade,
only the full prog.

There is no separate entry for Hermes.

--
Chris Newman

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On 28/10/2021 12:57, Chris Hughes wrote:

In message <sle166$ts5$1@dont-email.me>
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

Messenger Pro 8.40 (20-Aug-2019)

Do you have a Tardis? R-Comp have only just release 8.05wpb1 a few days
ago - available on !Store

Sorry, its 8.04

---druck

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In message <5982795c11cvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

In article <sle166$ts5$1@dont-email.me>,
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 28/10/2021 11:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Info for Messenger says

Messenger NF
R-Comp 1998-2012
5.4.00 (Netfetch) (22-Oct-2015

Bundle version supplied with Netfetch.

It was bought only a few weeks ago from Andrew.

This is puzzling as 2015 is very old. I think I'm on the latest non
bundled versions according to PligStore, and I have:-

Messenger Pro 8.40 (20-Aug-2019)
NetFetch 5.52 (1st May, 2019)
Heremes 5.52 (30 Apr 2020)

I have

Hermes 5.52
NetFetch 5.53

NetFetch is up to 5.5 on the !Store but there is no price for an upgrade, only the full prog.

Err not sure where you are looking but !Store says:

Name Version Supplier Price
NetFetch 5.5 5.53 R-Comp £15.00*

the * indicating is a special upgrade price for existing customer

There is no separate entry for Hermes.

That would be because its part of NetFetch.

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In message <a8c1798259.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

In message <sle166$ts5$1@dont-email.me>
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 28/10/2021 11:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Info for Messenger says

Messenger NF
R-Comp 1998-2012
5.4.00 (Netfetch) (22-Oct-2015

Bundle version supplied with Netfetch.

It was bought only a few weeks ago from Andrew.

This is puzzling as 2015 is very old. I think I'm on the latest non
bundled versions according to PligStore, and I have:-

Messenger Pro 8.40 (20-Aug-2019)

Do you have a Tardis? R-Comp have only just release 8.05wpb1 a few days
ago - available on !Store

NetFetch 5.52 (1st May, 2019)
Heremes 5.52 (30 Apr 2020)

Both now on v5.53

Correction

NetFetch is now 5.53, but Hermes is still 5.52

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Excuse my confusion.

Is Netfetch actually involved with imap?

You seem to be able to configure it all using !RemoteNB inside Messenger.
Which is how Andrew said to do it, IIRC.

I was hoping to keep Pluto/POPstar for my BT address.
And just use Messenger for @davesound which is imap.

But having now been forced to use Thunderbird on the dark side only, I'm beginning to think this (email) is one more RISCOS facility I'll no longer
use.

If only someone had upgraded POPstar (or anything else that would work
with Pluto for imap) I'd be a happy bunny.

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In message <a8c1798259.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

NetFetch 5.52 (1st May, 2019)
Heremes 5.52 (30 Apr 2020)

Both now on v5.53

Only just realised my NetFetch is quite out of date. Only running 5.05
here. Although my MPro is 8.05wpb1.
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In article <45f4218159.Paul@outlook.com>,
Paul Stewart <narrowboat-paul@outlook.com> wrote:

In message <5980e4f0dcdave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

But I now have dave@davesound.co.uk (with 123-reg) working correctly with Thunderbird.

Getting Messanger Pro to do the same is defeating me.

Seems to be the site settings RemoteNB.

What should the Host name be?
Mail Domain presumably davesound.co.uk.

And on server settings:-
What should SSL/TLS be set to?

Andrew has been very helpful, but what I need is an idiot's guide.

I've always thought setting up IMAP in Messenger Pro is way harder than it ought to be.

I used to run MPro with 123-reg some time ago, but now use it with
Outlook. Let's see if I can point you in the right direction.

1. Open !RemoteNB from with !Messenger.Servers (quit MPro 1st)
2. From the iconbar menu, select Site
3. Host name is your domain name. For me it is outlook.com. For you this will be davesound.co.uk
4. Mail domain most likely again davesound.co.uk
5. Save Settings
6. Click Server from the menu
7. Server name - 123 imap server: imap.123-reg.co.uk
8. Use SSL/TLS User SSL/TLS when available
9. For my Outlook setup, in Private folder path I have it set as: ~/mail
10. Outgoing mail smtp.123-reg.co.uk
11. Use SSL/TLS User SSL/TLS when available
12. I also have News (NNTP) configured as nntp.aioe.org
13. Save Settins
14. Click Users from the menu and edit/create yourself
15. Click Remote details button and enter your login details for your 123 account. Most likely your email address as the account name
16. Click Server Details and confirm the server name, smpt and nntp
details have present. If not, you will have to re-enter them. Click relevant set and save buttons. Quit RemoteNB and Open MPro. With a bit
of luck, you will be good to go.

Dave. Hopefully the above helps you out a little and does not cause more confusion. IMAP does work in MPro, just not a walk in the park like Thunderbird or Outlook to configure.

Decided to delete everything and go through your guide again. And this
time it works. So thanks. Mesenger menu now not greyed out.

It could be I hadn't entered the remote details (15 in your guide), as I
don't remember doing that before. Only other thing I did was enter an NNTP server (I wasn't intending using this, as will stay with Pluto for that)

[Thinks] Would it be possible to have the mails transferred to/stored in
Pluto?

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In message <5982f3f5b1dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

Decided to delete everything and go through your guide again. And this
time it works. So thanks. Mesenger menu now not greyed out.

It could be I hadn't entered the remote details (15 in your guide), as I don't remember doing that before. Only other thing I did was enter an NNTP server (I wasn't intending using this, as will stay with Pluto for that)

Glad to hear you have managed to sort it. Like many things, you spend
ages setting it up and don't really look at it again unless it stops
working. The guide was just taken from looking at the information I had
used in RemoteNB.

[Thinks] Would it be possible to have the mails transferred to/stored in Pluto?

Unable to assist with this. I have never used Pluto.

Although I do recall back in the day I used to like the the old Acorn offering(dont ever recall it's name now!) along with Browse.

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Just a final question or two.

The package I bought from R-Comp was tailored to what I wanted. IIRC, has
a cut down version of Messenger Pro. It is Messenger NF 5.4.00

I've got it working not only with imap to 123-reg, but also with my other
BT email address. Making Pluto redundant for email. But will likely keep
it for News.

So would the full latest version give me goodies I can use?

And does Netfetch - which came as part of the package - do anything at
all? Both of my email were configured only using RemoteNB.

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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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In article <5984051a06dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

Just a final question or two.

The package I bought from R-Comp was tailored to what I wanted. IIRC, has
a cut down version of Messenger Pro. It is Messenger NF 5.4.00

I've got it working not only with imap to 123-reg, but also with my other
BT email address. Making Pluto redundant for email. But will likely keep
it for News.

So would the full latest version give me goodies I can use?

And does Netfetch - which came as part of the package - do anything at
all? Both of my email were configured only using RemoteNB.

Seem to have got an answer to my own question. After working OK for a
couple of days with both email suppliers, get an error from Messenger
saying this version doesn't support multiple clients. ;-)

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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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In message <5985089c5edave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

Seem to have got an answer to my own question. After working OK for a
couple of days with both email suppliers, get an error from Messenger
saying this version doesn't support multiple clients. ;-)

It supports multiple clients but NOT multiple SMTP servers so sending
emails via a different SMTP server is not supported but you can send via
one SMTP server if your ISP allows that and which was communicated here
many weeks ago.

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On 26 Oct, Chris Hughes wrote in message
<aff6718159.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>:

Dave, within the Messenger Pro Zip file you would have got is a Tips
folder, explaining how you would configure IMAP for Gmail or Hotmail(Outlook.com) for instance, the process is basically the same as
Paul has suggested.

Whereabouts is this Tips sheet? It sounds useful, but I'm looking in the
Zips for M-Pro 8.0x and can't see it anywhere.

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http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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On 2 Nov, Doug Webb wrote in message
<e7082d8559.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>:

It supports multiple clients but NOT multiple SMTP servers so sending
emails via a different SMTP server is not supported but you can send via
one SMTP server if your ISP allows that and which was communicated here
many weeks ago.

Hermes supports multiple outpgoing SMTP servers, doesn't it?

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http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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In article
<mpro.r1yltw06atcr701p1.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve
Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

Hermes supports multiple outpgoing SMTP servers, doesn't
it?

Yes, it does but only if you tell it a unique string of
characters from the Addresses part of the Edit SMTP account
window.

For over a year now I've wondered why I couldn't get Hermes
to send to the native SMTP server for two of my additional
addresses. It was only when setting up a Gmail address that
I found this wrinkle.

John

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newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk
j dot mccartney atte blueyonder dot co dot uk

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In article <59853edb75newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk>, John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Yes, it does but only if you tell it a unique string of
characters from the Addresses part of the Edit SMTP
account window.

...a unique string of characters from the email address in
the Addresses part...

Brain fade!

John

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John
newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk
j dot mccartney atte blueyonder dot co dot uk

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In message <mpro.r1yhwx02p1k6o01p1.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

On 26 Oct, Chris Hughes wrote in message
<aff6718159.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>:

Dave, within the Messenger Pro Zip file you would have got is a Tips
folder, explaining how you would configure IMAP for Gmail or
Hotmail(Outlook.com) for instance, the process is basically the same as
Paul has suggested.

Whereabouts is this Tips sheet? It sounds useful, but I'm looking in the
Zips for M-Pro 8.0x and can't see it anywhere.

Tips Folder not sheet. There are 8 different tips files for things like
Gmail, Hotmail, Marcel, Pluto, Saving, etc. They are all plain text files.

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In message <mpro.r1yltw06atcr701p1.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

On 2 Nov, Doug Webb wrote in message
<e7082d8559.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>:

It supports multiple clients but NOT multiple SMTP servers so sending
emails via a different SMTP server is not supported but you can send via
one SMTP server if your ISP allows that and which was communicated here
many weeks ago.

Hermes supports multiple outpgoing SMTP servers, doesn't it?

Yes in the full version, but Dave Plowman, has the cut-down version as
supplied with his version of Messenger Pro, which seems to be a fairly old version.

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In article <666a408559.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

In message <mpro.r1yltw06atcr701p1.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

On 2 Nov, Doug Webb wrote in message
<e7082d8559.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>:

It supports multiple clients but NOT multiple SMTP servers so sending
emails via a different SMTP server is not supported but you can send via >> one SMTP server if your ISP allows that and which was communicated here
many weeks ago.

Hermes supports multiple outpgoing SMTP servers, doesn't it?

Yes in the full version, but Dave Plowman, has the cut-down version as supplied with his version of Messenger Pro, which seems to be a fairly old version.

Just bought the full latest version.

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In article <mpro.r1yltw06atcr701p1.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

On 2 Nov, Doug Webb wrote in message
<e7082d8559.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>:

It supports multiple clients but NOT multiple SMTP servers so sending emails via a different SMTP server is not supported but you can send via one SMTP server if your ISP allows that and which was communicated here many weeks ago.

Hermes supports multiple outpgoing SMTP servers, doesn't it?

Having just bought the full version of Messenger Pro, it doesn't include
Hermes in the package. Although it did come with the first Netfetch
package I bought a few weeks ago.

So I'm confused. Is it needed with Messenger Pro?

Both my email addresses (BT and 123-reg) are now set up using imap, and working. Obviously be best if each used their own SMTP server.

--
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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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In message <875dae8559.Chris@btinternet.com>
Chris Craig <chris.j.craig@btinternet.com> wrote:

In message <59858c28f4dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

In article <mpro.r1yltw06atcr701p1.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

On 2 Nov, Doug Webb wrote in message
<e7082d8559.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>:

It supports multiple clients but NOT multiple SMTP servers so sending
emails via a different SMTP server is not supported but you can send via >>>> one SMTP server if your ISP allows that and which was communicated here >>>> many weeks ago.

Hermes supports multiple outpgoing SMTP servers, doesn't it?

Having just bought the full version of Messenger Pro, it doesn't include
Hermes in the package. Although it did come with the first Netfetch
package I bought a few weeks ago.

So I'm confused. Is it needed with Messenger Pro?

Both my email addresses (BT and 123-reg) are now set up using imap, and
working. Obviously be best if each used their own SMTP server.

--
*The longest recorded flightof a chicken is thirteen seconds *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

I think this is possible.
I have just managed to set up POP gMail to do that.
Set up is a bit quirky!
Restart your machine. Load messenger>choices>site details>Hermes for mail>Setup. You now see Hermes accounts >Outgoing servers. Double click on your account. You can now set up a new outgoing SMPT account. Remember to
go to addresses. Add something out of your email address ie "btinternet". Click "change". Close & remember to "Set" site settings.
You need to start with a re-set or you cannot see the "outgoing servers".
and for some reason the addressees you enter may not be remembered.
Well it's working here for now

Chris
--
chris.j.craig@btinternet.com
ARMX6 RISC OS 5.29
---

PS For gmail you need to go to your account on a PC.
Select less secure connection. Set on 2factor authentication and obtain an
16 digit app password to use in your log in.

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ARMX6 RISC OS 5.29
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In message <59858c28f4dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

In article <mpro.r1yltw06atcr701p1.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

On 2 Nov, Doug Webb wrote in message
<e7082d8559.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>:

It supports multiple clients but NOT multiple SMTP servers so sending
emails via a different SMTP server is not supported but you can send via >>> one SMTP server if your ISP allows that and which was communicated here
many weeks ago.

Hermes supports multiple outpgoing SMTP servers, doesn't it?

Having just bought the full version of Messenger Pro, it doesn't include Hermes in the package. Although it did come with the first Netfetch
package I bought a few weeks ago.

So I'm confused. Is it needed with Messenger Pro?

Both my email addresses (BT and 123-reg) are now set up using imap, and working. Obviously be best if each used their own SMTP server.

--
*The longest recorded flightof a chicken is thirteen seconds *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

I think this is possible.
I have just managed to set up POP gMail to do that.
Set up is a bit quirky!
Restart your machine. Load messenger>choices>site details>Hermes for mail>Setup. You now see Hermes accounts >Outgoing servers. Double click on
your account. You can now set up a new outgoing SMPT account. Remember to
go to addresses. Add something out of your email address ie "btinternet".
Click "change". Close & remember to "Set" site settings.
You need to start with a re-set or you cannot see the "outgoing servers".
and for some reason the addressees you enter may not be remembered.
Well it's working here for now

Chris
--
chris.j.craig@btinternet.com
ARMX6 RISC OS 5.29
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In article <875dae8559.Chris@btinternet.com>,
Chris Craig <chris.j.craig@btinternet.com> wrote:

In message <59858c28f4dave@davenoise.co.uk>
"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

In article <mpro.r1yltw06atcr701p1.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

On 2 Nov, Doug Webb wrote in message
<e7082d8559.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>:

It supports multiple clients but NOT multiple SMTP servers so sending
emails via a different SMTP server is not supported but you can send via >>> one SMTP server if your ISP allows that and which was communicated here >>> many weeks ago.

Hermes supports multiple outpgoing SMTP servers, doesn't it?

Having just bought the full version of Messenger Pro, it doesn't include Hermes in the package. Although it did come with the first Netfetch
package I bought a few weeks ago.

So I'm confused. Is it needed with Messenger Pro?

Both my email addresses (BT and 123-reg) are now set up using imap, and working. Obviously be best if each used their own SMTP server.

--
*The longest recorded flightof a chicken is thirteen seconds *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

I think this is possible.
I have just managed to set up POP gMail to do that.
Set up is a bit quirky!
Restart your machine. Load messenger>choices>site details>Hermes for mail>Setup. You now see Hermes accounts >Outgoing servers. Double click on your account. You can now set up a new outgoing SMPT account. Remember to
go to addresses. Add something out of your email address ie "btinternet". Click "change". Close & remember to "Set" site settings.
You need to start with a re-set or you cannot see the "outgoing servers".
and for some reason the addressees you enter may not be remembered.
Well it's working here for now

Think it may be different with Pro and imap. You use two user names (or
more) one for each account. And set the incoming and outgoing for each of
those accounts.

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