• Netfetch.

    From Dave Plowman (News)@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 9 16:35:39 2021
    Bought Netfetch as it seems POPstar won't work with imap which the domain
    host (123-reg)that handles my email has changed to.

    Got imap working OK on Thunderbird, but using the same settings (as best I
    can since everyone seems to use different names for the same thing) but no
    luck with Netfetch. It says 'connecting to then logging in to
    imap.123-reg' but then connection lost. Is their an idiots guide to
    configuring it somewhere, as I can't find a help file.

    I've set in choices:-

    Account name (my full name)

    Local user (dave)

    Pop3 mail server (imap.123-reg.co.uk)

    Port (993)

    User name (***@davesound.co.uk) This is the mail box address Thunderbird accesses and I've forwarded the address I do use to that on the 123-reg
    control panel.

    Password (**) same as in Thunderbird.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 9 20:02:07 2021
    In article <5978d525d0bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,


    Ok, I'm going to stick my neck out here.

    My map of the world says that neither popstar or Netfetch can handle
    imap. They are both pop clients not imap clients.

    Having said that, I suppose there may be no law which prevents a
    server offering both services so may have a name imap.123-reg.co.uk
    but I think even that unlikely.

    I thinks you need to set your mail client to
    pop server: pop.123-reg.co.uk
    All of my pop3 accounts use port: 995.

    Please try that.

    Sorry to follow up my own post but two other things...

    Firstly pop.123-reg.co.uk does indeed ping and has an ip of
    94.136.40.233. I therefore think that is a working pop3 server.

    I also notice you have your own mail domain so that may change the
    server name you should use. Your account info should tell you but it
    may that your mail server is something like:

    mail.davesound.co.uk or
    pop.davesound.co.uk or
    pop3.davesound.co.uk or

    something like that. Still think 995 is the likely pop3 port though
    but you need to switch on SSL.

    cheers

    bob.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to dave@davenoise.co.uk on Sat Oct 9 19:34:01 2021
    In article <5978c4d182dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
    Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
    Bought Netfetch as it seems POPstar won't work with imap which the domain host (123-reg)that handles my email has changed to.

    Got imap working OK on Thunderbird, but using the same settings (as best I can since everyone seems to use different names for the same thing) but no luck with Netfetch. It says 'connecting to then logging in to
    imap.123-reg' but then connection lost. Is their an idiots guide to configuring it somewhere, as I can't find a help file.

    I've set in choices:-

    Account name (my full name)

    Local user (dave)

    Pop3 mail server (imap.123-reg.co.uk)

    Port (993)

    User name (***@davesound.co.uk) This is the mail box address Thunderbird accesses and I've forwarded the address I do use to that on the 123-reg control panel.

    Password (**) same as in Thunderbird.

    Ok, I'm going to stick my neck out here.

    My map of the world says that neither popstar or Netfetch can handle
    imap. They are both pop clients not imap clients.

    Having said that, I suppose there may be no law which prevents a
    server offering both services so may have a name imap.123-reg.co.uk
    but I think even that unlikely.

    I thinks you need to set your mail client to
    pop server: pop.123-reg.co.uk
    All of my pop3 accounts use port: 995.

    Please try that.


    Bob.

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  • From Dave Plowman (News)@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sun Oct 10 11:55:20 2021
    In article <5978d7b8a5bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <5978d525d0bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,


    Ok, I'm going to stick my neck out here.

    My map of the world says that neither popstar or Netfetch can handle
    imap. They are both pop clients not imap clients.

    Having said that, I suppose there may be no law which prevents a
    server offering both services so may have a name imap.123-reg.co.uk
    but I think even that unlikely.

    I thinks you need to set your mail client to
    pop server: pop.123-reg.co.uk
    All of my pop3 accounts use port: 995.

    Please try that.

    Sorry to follow up my own post but two other things...

    Firstly pop.123-reg.co.uk does indeed ping and has an ip of
    94.136.40.233. I therefore think that is a working pop3 server.

    I also notice you have your own mail domain so that may change the
    server name you should use. Your account info should tell you but it
    may that your mail server is something like:

    mail.davesound.co.uk or
    pop.davesound.co.uk or
    pop3.davesound.co.uk or

    something like that. Still think 995 is the likely pop3 port though
    but you need to switch on SSL.

    cheers

    bob.

    My mail box at 123-reg is called (username)@davesound.co.uk
    I then forward dave@ (etc) to it.

    Netfetch offers SSL or STARTTLS. Tried both using port 993 (which 123-reg
    says to use) and 995.

    I can get things to work by forwarding to my BT address which still works
    just fine with POPstar and Pluto. But seems a long winded way of doing
    things.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to dave@davenoise.co.uk on Sun Oct 10 12:52:01 2021
    In article <59792efd15dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
    Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

    My mail box at 123-reg is called (username)@davesound.co.uk I then
    forward dave@ (etc) to it.

    Netfetch offers SSL or STARTTLS. Tried both using port 993 (which
    123-reg says to use) and 995.

    I can get things to work by forwarding to my BT address which still
    works just fine with POPstar and Pluto. But seems a long winded way
    of doing things.

    I would expect you should be able to use pop3 directly to the server
    and pull your email provided their server is configured to do so for
    your mail domain.

    I think port 993 is for imap and neither netfetch or popstar can use
    that as they are pop not imap. As far as I'm aware, only Messenger
    Pro is imap capable within RISC OS.

    So for RISC OS unless you get messenger pro you can forget port 993.
    Your best bet is port 995 and SSL.

    So then you have the pop3 server name to worry about.
    as I said pop.123-reg.co.uk does ping and if you had an email account
    of fred@123-reg.co.uk I would expect that server name to work.

    But as i understand it, you have your own mail domain and it is
    common for the server names used for such accounts to match the
    domain name, mine certainly do.

    Hence why I thought mail.davesound.co.uk may be your server, that's
    the pattern with mine. Yours doesn't ping though.

    Please check with supplier if you have a special named server for pop
    to match your domain name.

    Does having your email account forwarded to BT stop pop3 access
    directly?

    You need to ask you hosting company some questions.


    Cheers,

    Bob.

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  • From Doug Webb@21:1/5 to dave@davenoise.co.uk on Sun Oct 10 14:14:09 2021
    In message <59792efd15dave@davenoise.co.uk>
    "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:



    Netfetch offers SSL or STARTTLS. Tried both using port 993 (which 123-reg says to use) and 995.

    I can get things to work by forwarding to my BT address which still works just fine with POPstar and Pluto. But seems a long winded way of doing things.

    Hi Dave,

    As explained to you only last month Netfetch does not do IMAP only POP.

    The fact that 123.reg says to use port 993, which is the encrypted and
    secure port for IMAP, is saying that indeed the server imap.123-reg.co.uk
    only does IMAP.

    The clue is in the name of the email server, though as Bob says sometimes
    the same server does IMAP/POP3.

    As previously explained you need MessengerPro which has a IMAP client to
    use to IMAP servers.

    The only other solution is as you have set up is to forward the email to
    BT and download it via POP3.

    The fact that NetchFetch does SLS/TLS is not helpful to you as it is POP3
    over SSL/TLS that it does, or more specifically Hermes does, not IMAP
    over SSL/TLS.


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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Doug Webb on Sun Oct 10 15:08:54 2021
    In article <e8b23b7959.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>,
    Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote:

    As explained to you only last month Netfetch does not do IMAP only
    POP.

    The fact that 123.reg says to use port 993, which is the encrypted
    and secure port for IMAP, is saying that indeed the server imap.123-reg.co.uk only does IMAP.

    The clue is in the name of the email server, though as Bob says
    sometimes the same server does IMAP/POP3.

    As previously explained you need MessengerPro which has a IMAP
    client to use to IMAP servers.

    Yes, fully agree so far.

    The only other solution is as you have set up is to forward the
    email to BT and download it via POP3.

    Do we *know* there is no way to download via pop3 or is it just a
    case of we've not managed it yet?

    The fact that NetchFetch does SLS/TLS is not helpful to you as it
    is POP3 over SSL/TLS that it does, or more specifically Hermes
    does, not IMAP over SSL/TLS.

    This is what I don't get...

    They have a server called pop.123-reg.co.uk which pings. I would be
    very surprised if it wasn't capable of serving pop3 email downloads.

    What is it about Dave's mail domain setup that prevents pop3 download
    as as it looks like the company hosting his domain do use pop3?

    Bob.

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  • From Dave Plowman (News)@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sun Oct 10 14:43:31 2021
    In article <5979342e35bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <59792efd15dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
    Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

    My mail box at 123-reg is called (username)@davesound.co.uk I then
    forward dave@ (etc) to it.

    Netfetch offers SSL or STARTTLS. Tried both using port 993 (which
    123-reg says to use) and 995.

    I can get things to work by forwarding to my BT address which still
    works just fine with POPstar and Pluto. But seems a long winded way
    of doing things.

    I would expect you should be able to use pop3 directly to the server
    and pull your email provided their server is configured to do so for
    your mail domain.

    This all started after 123-reg said I had to change to imap.

    I think port 993 is for imap and neither netfetch or popstar can use
    that as they are pop not imap. As far as I'm aware, only Messenger
    Pro is imap capable within RISC OS.

    I have Messenger Pro as part of the package I bought. As I was told
    Netfetch couldn't integrate with Pluto.

    So for RISC OS unless you get messenger pro you can forget port 993.
    Your best bet is port 995 and SSL.

    So then you have the pop3 server name to worry about.
    as I said pop.123-reg.co.uk does ping and if you had an email account
    of fred@123-reg.co.uk I would expect that server name to work.

    On manage email at the 123-reg control panel, my standard email package
    shows (username)@davesound.co.uk as the one I access. All other @davesound.co.uk addresses are forwarded via that.

    But as i understand it, you have your own mail domain and it is
    common for the server names used for such accounts to match the
    domain name, mine certainly do.

    Hence why I thought mail.davesound.co.uk may be your server, that's
    the pattern with mine. Yours doesn't ping though.

    Please check with supplier if you have a special named server for pop
    to match your domain name.

    As I said, it all works with Thunderbird.

    Does having your email account forwarded to BT stop pop3 access
    directly?

    That was the workround I used when 123-reg changed to imap. Forwarded everything to my BT address. Which allowed me to continue using
    POPstar/Pluto.

    You need to ask you hosting company some questions.

    You don't know the history of trying that. ;-)


    Cheers,

    Bob.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to dave@davenoise.co.uk on Sun Oct 10 15:18:38 2021
    In article <59793e62d4dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
    Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <5979342e35bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <59792efd15dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
    Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

    My mail box at 123-reg is called (username)@davesound.co.uk I then forward dave@ (etc) to it.

    Netfetch offers SSL or STARTTLS. Tried both using port 993 (which
    123-reg says to use) and 995.

    I can get things to work by forwarding to my BT address which still
    works just fine with POPstar and Pluto. But seems a long winded way
    of doing things.

    I would expect you should be able to use pop3 directly to the server
    and pull your email provided their server is configured to do so for
    your mail domain.

    This all started after 123-reg said I had to change to imap.

    I think port 993 is for imap and neither netfetch or popstar can use
    that as they are pop not imap. As far as I'm aware, only Messenger
    Pro is imap capable within RISC OS.

    I have Messenger Pro as part of the package I bought. As I was told
    Netfetch couldn't integrate with Pluto.

    I've been using the two together, ever since I bought Pluto at Wakefield in
    the RISC PC days - one Readme file is dated 1996!)

    --
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  • From Doug Webb@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sun Oct 10 15:35:21 2021
    In message <597940b626bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:



    This is what I don't get...

    They have a server called pop.123-reg.co.uk which pings. I would be
    very surprised if it wasn't capable of serving pop3 email downloads.

    What is it about Dave's mail domain setup that prevents pop3 download
    as as it looks like the company hosting his domain do use pop3?

    Hi Bob,

    As Dave previously stated last month he was told by reg.123 the POP3
    service was ending and to change to IMAP by the reg.123 technical help
    team.

    Though there was some confusion on what actual POP3 server was closing as
    they had two POP3 servers.

    He also had an issue with his account that I believe he sorted.

    It would be good for Dave to confirm what the end result was with the
    advice he got from reg.123 as indeed that may help to know if he can
    indeed download via the POP3 service still or indeed if it is closing and
    when.

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  • From Doug Webb@21:1/5 to dave@davenoise.co.uk on Sun Oct 10 16:05:11 2021
    In message <59793e62d4dave@davenoise.co.uk>
    "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:


    [snip]

    I have Messenger Pro as part of the package I bought. As I was told
    Netfetch couldn't integrate with Pluto.

    NetFetch is just a wrapper for things like Hermes which are fetchers and
    should work the same as PopStar to POP3 accounts and therefore should work
    with Pluto.

    If you have MessengerPro then you need to login in with the server option
    set to Messenger IMAP/NNTP Client and then set that up with you details
    from reg.123.

    In the built in help for Messenger take a look at the Network support link
    on how to set up some things.

    Also note that setting up the IMAP client means you need to manually enter details in a file rather than do that from the GUI.

    You still need SMTP element as well for sending this can be done via the
    built in Hermetic element /Hermes/Netfetch as you would normally though Hermetic does not do multiple SMTP servers and hence why you may have been advised to get Netfetch with the more capable SMTP built in.

    You can set up the SMTP element via Netfetch and also tailor it to which
    email domain you want for which ever account re-123 or BT and get it to automatically send via a specific one depending on which ever account you
    login in to in MessengerPro etc.

    The actual configuration file is in !NewsDir.RemoteNB.Config and will look something like this once set up.

    Version=3.13
    HostName="Your Host name"
    Domain="What you have been told by reg-123 or use the example in the MessengerPro help file"
    MailDomain= "Your email domain" see what reg.123 told you
    Organization=Home
    IMAPServer=imap.123-reg.co.uk:993 * If what you have been told is
    correct*
    SMTPServer="What reg-123 told you":587
    NNTPServer="What ever is your News server"
    PrivateFolders=
    PublicFolders=
    GroupPatterns=
    PollInterval=30
    ConnectionTimeout=0
    ReportAttachments=false
    AsyncLogin=false
    IMAPSSLMode=3
    SMTPSSLMode=2

    It will also set up a user file with your details including password if
    you save it. If you don't then you would login in with the password you actually have for your email account.

    I must admit the built in help and MessengerPro manual are a bit light on actually setting up the IMAP bits so I guess a call to RComp may help at
    some stage if you get stuck.
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  • From Doug Webb@21:1/5 to Doug Webb on Sun Oct 10 16:39:09 2021
    In message <59dd457959.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>
    Doug Webb <doug.j.webb@btinternet.com> wrote:


    The actual configuration file is in !NewsDir.RemoteNB.Config

    Right so there is a way to get the GUI up and that is to manually run
    !RemoteNB which can be found in !Messenger.Servers.

    You can set the Site/Server and Users via it's menu options and then quit
    and restart MessengerPro in IMAP/NNTP client mode.

    I must admit the built in help and MessengerPro manual are a bit light on actually setting up the IMAP bits so I guess a call to RComp may help at
    some stage if you get stuck.

    Might be good to have a section on RemoteNB in the help/server though I
    am not discounting I am wrong and just can't see it!
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  • From News@21:1/5 to charles on Sun Oct 10 16:44:30 2021
    In article <5979419a78charles@candehope.me.uk>,
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
    I've been using the two together, ever since I bought Pluto at Wakefield in the RISC PC days - one Readme file is dated 1996!)

    PLuto is quite happy with NetFetch as long as you are using POP3. Unfortunately, Pluto cannot do IMAP.

    --
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