The link
https://sourceforge.net/projects/plutoemail/files/pluto/pluto318.zip/download
seems to not work here with !NetSurf 3.10. Also I cannot download the
source code
https://sourceforge.net/projects/plutoemail/files/latest/download
here.
I downloaded the file
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2022-10-16/pluto318.zip
(737 kB)
from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/plutoemail/files/latest/download
but cannot find a source code in the archive. Is the above the right link?
!Pluto contains a file called !RunImage. I can open it with !StrongEd and switch to ASM. Is this the code? Where is the point of begin?
P. S. It is a shame that the website sourceforge doesn't work here with NetSurf whereas the link from my own hoster just works fine. It is
something I don't understand.
In article <5a343872f8bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
The link https://sourceforge.net/projects/plutoemail/files/pluto/pluto318.zip/download
seems to not work here with !NetSurf 3.10.
Also I cannot download the source code https://sourceforge.net/projects/plutoemail/files/latest/download
here.
I downloaded the file http://home.chiemgau-net.de/.../pluto318.zip
(737 kB) from https://sourceforge.net/projects/plutoemail/files/latest/download
but cannot find a source code in the archive. Is the above the right
link?
!Pluto contains a file called !RunImage. I can open it with
!StrongEd and switch to ASM. Is this the code? Where is the point
of begin?
P. S. It is a shame that the website sourceforge doesn't work here
with NetSurf whereas the link from my own hoster just works fine.
It is something I don't understand.
But the source is held in a CVS repository.
Start at https://sourceforge.net/p/plutoemail/code/HEAD/tree/ and navigate from there. To just grab a snapshot of the code, you can click on "Download Snapshot" to get a Zip file of the current head of the trunk.
The code is managed by Subversion, and you can navigate around that using
the SourceForge interface to see different revisions, branches and so on.
For both of these, you may require a different browser to NetSurf, however.
It's compiled C. You need to download the source code from
SourceForge.
Start at https://sourceforge.net/p/plutoemail/code/HEAD/tree/ and
navigate from there. To just grab a snapshot of the code, you can
click on "Download Snapshot" to get a Zip file of the current
head of the trunk.
Thanks for the link. Fortunately, it doesn't work on my Titanium
here, too.
On 16 Oct, Alexander Ausserstorfer wrote in message
<5a383302bebavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>:
I downloaded the file
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2022-10-16/pluto318.zip
(737 kB)
from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/plutoemail/files/latest/download
but cannot find a source code in the archive. Is the above the right link?
Yes, it's the correct link for the end-user application.
You probably don't want to be publicly hosting a copy of the archive,
though. It's just going to confuse people going forward.
!Pluto contains a file called !RunImage. I can open it with !StrongEd and
switch to ASM. Is this the code? Where is the point of begin?
It's compiled C. You need to download the source code from SourceForge.
Start at https://sourceforge.net/p/plutoemail/code/HEAD/tree/ and navigate from there. To just grab a snapshot of the code, you can click on "Download Snapshot" to get a Zip file of the current head of the trunk.
The code is managed by Subversion, and you can navigate around that using
the SourceForge interface to see different revisions, branches and so on.
For both of these, you may require a different browser to NetSurf, however.
P. S. It is a shame that the website sourceforge doesn't work here with
NetSurf whereas the link from my own hoster just works fine. It is
something I don't understand.
SourceForge, like most online web interfaces to source control, almost certainly requires functional Javascript to be usable.
It works fine for me in Firefox, for example.
In article <5a3845d5babavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
It's compiled C. You need to download the source code from
SourceForge.
Start at https://sourceforge.net/p/plutoemail/code/HEAD/tree/ and
navigate from there. To just grab a snapshot of the code, you can
click on "Download Snapshot" to get a Zip file of the current
head of the trunk.
Thanks for the link. Fortunately, it doesn't work on my Titanium
here, too.
Strange. I just clicked on the above link on my Titanium with Netsurf
3.10, then clicked on Download Snapshot and I received a 963KB zip
file which opened and was filetyped Zip after dragging it to SparkFS.
If you email me (Pluto@...) I can send you a copy.
In article <mpro.rjuatn00vw71u039x.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
The code is managed by Subversion, and you can navigate around that
using the SourceForge interface to see different revisions, branches
and so on.
For both of these, you may require a different browser to NetSurf,
however.
I tried !Otter for a while but it had a terrible graphics user
interface like the port of Firefox before. And it was very slow. Now I
see OBrowser / Iris Beta listed in !Store. At the end of the window it
says:
"The download on !Store is very small, because you will simply be given
the access details to download your software on RISC OS Development's
private server. This is where the browsers and future updates will
appear."
It is a shame that they claim 49.99 Pounds for it whereas most
webbrowsers for other systems are for free. OK, it may be a lot of work.
The only question for me is how long it will work like it was with most webbrowsers on RISC OS in the past.
Can I download it from the RISC OS Development's private server by
!NetSurf?
How big is the file?
Can I download the source code of !Pluto with it?
I don't know. A simple page like Google won't work here:
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2022-10-22/Iris.mp4 (7
MB)
Iris very often crash here or is doing something faulty (no save
dialoge box but the file is printed in the window or the keyboard or
some keys aren't recognized for example).
In message <5a3bc3e923bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
Iris very often crash here or is doing something faulty (no save dialoge box but the file is printed in the window or the keyboard or some keys aren't recognized for example).
Have you installed the !Boot updates that came with the Iris download?
In article <d31fd73b5a.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
You obviously also did not notice the page had not fully downloaded to
you, Just below the URL bar a blue line appears as it is loading the
page. On your video it was not showing as fully loaded the google.de
page.
Iris wasn't able to download the page from Google within one minute?
Strange.
On 23 Oct, Chris Hughes wrote in message
<d31fd73b5a.chris@mytardis>:
In message <5a3bc3e923bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
Iris very often crash here or is doing something faulty (no save
dialoge box but the file is printed in the window or the keyboard or
some keys aren't recognized for example).
Have you installed the !Boot updates that came with the Iris
download?
What hardware is Alexander running Iris on?
From the Switcher and Display Manager icons that's RISC OS 4, so it's
either a well-themed RISC OS 5 box or a RiscPC.
If the latter, then I very much doubt* that it has a processor which
supports Thumb or the other more modern instructions which I'd imagine
are being used by the compiler when building Iris. Javascript, in
particular, relies on Thumb (as it's a port of an engine which can run
on ARM-based phones), so that would make Google's page at best
unpredictable in Iris on hardware which doesn't support Thumb.
In message <5a3bc3e923bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
[snip]
I don't know. A simple page like Google won't work here:
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2022-10-22/Iris.mp4 (7
MB)
First I appreciate English is not your first language.
After converting your film to Mpeg2, I noticed a number of things
You obviously also did not notice the page had not fully downloaded to
you, Just below the URL bar a blue line appears as it is loading the
page. On your video it was not showing as fully loaded the google.de
page.
Iris is a much more capable and vastly bigger application then
anything else used on RISC OS to date. I also noticed with Iris is
was correctly uses an Https connection to Google.de, whereas via your
Netsurf it was using an insecure http type connection.
You simply need to press enter on your search entry and it would have
worked
NetSurf sadly is not able to cope with a lot of Javascript and other
things whereas Iris is.
Netsurf is also much smaller and thus loads quicker.
Iris very often crash here or is doing something faulty (no save
dialoge box but the file is printed in the window or the keyboard or
some keys aren't recognized for example).
Have you installed the !Boot updates that came with the Iris download?
I use Iris daily as my main web browser now, and very rarely NetSurf,
as I can access more sites with Iris securely, etc.
For example the difference between the BBC website on NetSurf and Iris
is dramatic.
In article <d31fd73b5a.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
In message <5a3bc3e923bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
[snip]
You obviously also did not notice the page had not fully downloaded to
you, Just below the URL bar a blue line appears as it is loading the
page. On your video it was not showing as fully loaded the google.de
page.
Iris wasn't able to download the page from Google within one minute?
Strange.
Iris is a much more capable and vastly bigger application then
anything else used on RISC OS to date. I also noticed with Iris is
was correctly uses an Https connection to Google.de, whereas via your
Netsurf it was using an insecure http type connection.
You simply need to press enter on your search entry and it would have
worked
No, it didn't. I pressed the key several times because something
strangness is always covering the letters "Google Search" below the line
when you type in the text you are searching for. But nothing happened.
(I don't like to write here 'button' because buttons looks quite
different in RISC OS.)
In article <mpro.rk7ex2028iwh8046a.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
On 23 Oct, Chris Hughes wrote in message
<d31fd73b5a.chris@mytardis>:
In message <5a3bc3e923bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
Iris very often crash here or is doing something faulty (no save
dialoge box but the file is printed in the window or the keyboard or
some keys aren't recognized for example).
Have you installed the !Boot updates that came with the Iris
download?
What hardware is Alexander running Iris on?
http://shop.elesar.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=51
From the Switcher and Display Manager icons that's RISC OS 4, so it's
either a well-themed RISC OS 5 box or a RiscPC.
I don't know. The machine looks like it was. The version window says
5.24 (16-Apr-18). Is my machine too old? I don't like to buy a new one.
In article <5a3beec712bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
In article <d31fd73b5a.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
You obviously also did not notice the page had not fully downloaded to
you, Just below the URL bar a blue line appears as it is loading the
page. On your video it was not showing as fully loaded the google.de
page.
Iris wasn't able to download the page from Google within one minute?
Strange.
By the way. The first time I used Google from !Iris I got a page like
that:
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2022-10-22/Google.jpg (54
kB)
I get this page again after I deleted the content of the file in
ADFS::HardDisc4.$.!Boot.Choices.WWW.Iris.cookies/txt
I never had seen this page in NetSurf. For what is it good?
But what model of computer is it? Is it a Raspberry Pi and which version,
or is it a ARMX6 etc..
In article <mpro.rk7ex2028iwh8046a.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
What hardware is Alexander running Iris on?
http://shop.elesar.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=51
From the Switcher and Display Manager icons that's RISC OS 4, so it's either a well-themed RISC OS 5 box or a RiscPC.
I don't know. The machine looks like it was.
The version window says 5.24 (16-Apr-18). Is my machine too old? I don't
like to buy a new one.
If the latter, then I very much doubt* that it has a processor which supports Thumb or the other more modern instructions which I'd imagine
are being used by the compiler when building Iris. Javascript, in particular, relies on Thumb (as it's a port of an engine which can run
on ARM-based phones), so that would make Google's page at best unpredictable in Iris on hardware which doesn't support Thumb.
I don't know what "Thumb" is.
It seems that the !Iris window has problems with the keyboard here. I
click several times in the window but no cursor appears. And often it
crashes means it is disappearing from the running system without saying anything.
I don't know. The machine looks like it was. The version window says
5.24 (16-Apr-18). Is my machine too old? I don't like to buy a new one.
Does anybody here know or remember a progamm called !Attacher with what
you can convert binary files to BASE64 and back? I think there was
something like that for RISC OS but I cannot find it.
In article <5a343872f8bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
Does anybody here know or remember a progamm called !Attacher with what
you can convert binary files to BASE64 and back? I think there was something like that for RISC OS but I cannot find it.
Attacher is freeeware. So I have just put it at
http://diy.torrens.org/RO/Attacher.zip
On 1 Nov, "Richard Torrens (News)" wrote in message
<5a406ff418news*@Torrens.org>:
In article <5a343872f8bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
Does anybody here know or remember a progamm called !Attacher with what you can convert binary files to BASE64 and back? I think there was something like that for RISC OS but I cannot find it.
Attacher is freeeware. So I have just put it at
http://diy.torrens.org/RO/Attacher.zip
That doesn't appear to be the latest version?
- the !Run contains two lines about the CallASWI module, which weren't
in the most recent version (also 1.05, but 'packaged' in June 2009 -
did that ever make it to John's site?).
On 5 Nov, Frank wrote in message
<5a42ad3792zuiderduin@hotmail.com>:
- the !Run contains two lines about the CallASWI module, which weren't
in the most recent version (also 1.05, but 'packaged' in June 2009 -
did that ever make it to John's site?).
It seems to have done, as that's the version which I was comparing to -- fetched sometime in the past couple of years (the site vinished about 12 months ago, I think).
I'd actually got the two run files confused, and thought it was the version from John's site which had the CallASWI references.
In article <mpro.rkw0cw0516tvy03tw.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
It seems to have done, as that's the version which I was comparing to -- fetched sometime in the past couple of years (the site vinished about 12 months ago, I think).
Actually, the site is still there / back up: http://www.johnallen.com/
In message <5a3bef6c8ebavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
I don't know. The machine looks like it was. The version window says
5.24 (16-Apr-18). Is my machine too old? I don't like to buy a new
one.
You need to update your OS version. The documentation for Iris says you
need to be running at least 5.28.
In fact, checking back through my emails, it looks like it was me that
told ROD that it didn't work reliably on 5.24!
In message <5a3beec712bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
Did you notice the very thin blue bar underneath the URL box on the main
Iris window moving across as it loads all the data, etc.
In message <5a3bf03984bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
By the way. The first time I used Google from !Iris I got a page like
that:
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2022-10-22/Google.jpg (54
kB)
I get this page again after I deleted the content of the file in
ADFS::HardDisc4.$.!Boot.Choices.WWW.Iris.cookies/txt
I never had seen this page in NetSurf. For what is it good?
As it says its to approve or reject Google's website cookies etc.
And will keep reappaering if you keep deleting the cookies/txt file.
So respond to it per the buttons on the bottom of the window.
You will have had in NetSurf at some point in the past and responded one
way or other.
In article <1990f23b5a.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
In message <5a3beec712bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
[Iris webbrowser]
Did you notice the very thin blue bar underneath the URL box on the main Iris window moving across as it loads all the data, etc.
No, I didn't recognized it because something like that is new to me. Why
the hell the author didn't use the hourglass of RISC OS when the mouse pointer is over the window of !Iris?
In article <fa3d313c5a.bryan@helpful-demon.co.uk>,
Bryan Hogan <spam@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
In fact, checking back through my emails, it looks like it was me that
told ROD that it didn't work reliably on 5.24!
So it is useless for me. I will not update my machine because I fear to damage it.
The only source I found is in rComp's !Store but there are no requirements for the browser printed or listed:
(131 kB)
You will find the requirements AFTER paying and downloading it. This is a
bit of sending somebody up.
It was always a problem for RISC OS users to get the information they need
in a usefull and understandable way.
Because the program - as I understand it - is a port of a foreign
browser from a completely different operating system that doesn't
understand RISC OS conventions. Iris doesn't have proper scrollbars
either; presumably the odd pop-up things that appear on the right-hand
side of the window when you put your mouse there are the scrollbar
equivalent on whatever version of Linux it was written for....
So it is useless for me. I will not update my machine because I fear to damage it.
In article <17f805435a.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
Because the program - as I understand it - is a port of a foreign
browser from a completely different operating system that doesn't understand RISC OS conventions. Iris doesn't have proper scrollbars either; presumably the odd pop-up things that appear on the right-hand side of the window when you put your mouse there are the scrollbar equivalent on whatever version of Linux it was written for....
It must also be remembered that it is still a "work in progress".
On 6 Nov, Alexander Ausserstorfer wrote in message
<5a43008562bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>:
In article <fa3d313c5a.bryan@helpful-demon.co.uk>,
Bryan Hogan <spam@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
In fact, checking back through my emails, it looks like it was me
that told ROD that it didn't work reliably on 5.24!
So it is useless for me. I will not update my machine because I fear
to damage it.
Re-flashing a Titanium isn't /that/ bad an operation, but as I wrote
in an earlier post, if you don't want to do it, you can always
soft-load the newer ROM images over the one in Flash ROM as the
machine boots -- or even just on demand.
The nightly builds of RISC OS 5 for the Ti come with a soft-loader in
the archive. That works just fine with a stable ROM image as well.
I'm afraid the reality is that to keep up with new software for the
platform, you often will need the latest RISC OS 5. I stumbled across
another example the other day, because in a lot of cases, software and
OS are being improved together in parallel.
The only source I found is in rComp's !Store but there are nohttp://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/Temp/2022-11-06/IrisPlingStore.jpeg (131 kB)
requirements for the browser printed or listed:
PlingStore is very bad at providing requirements and dates for
releases, unfortunately.
You will find the requirements AFTER paying and downloading it. This is a
bit of sending somebody up.
If it's really a problem to update your machine, then the fact that it
isn't made clear that Iris doesn't work on 5.24 should be enough to
get your money back from ROD under consumer law (if asking Andrew
nicely doesn't work, of course).
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