Il 02/07/2018 12:02, CENTRINO ha scritto:
When the technician tells the businessman, that its business does not
run because of the lack of support from IBM, he starts to think in
Windows and Linux as alternatives.
Which, of course, does not to need to be updated to last version, eh?
And where every updates roll away easy, really??
We're talking about *two diff* Win & Linux, otherwise you've much more problem updating Win and Linux than updating as400.
Il 02/07/2018 22:23, Obelix ha scritto:
Il 02/07/2018 12:02, CENTRINO ha scritto:
When the technician tells the businessman, that its business does not
run because of the lack of support from IBM, he starts to think in
Windows and Linux as alternatives.
Which, of course, does not to need to be updated to last version, eh?
And where every updates roll away easy, really??
We're talking about *two diff* Win & Linux, otherwise you've much more
problem updating Win and Linux than updating as400.
Just to add up to what Obelix said:
https://www-01.ibm.com/software/support/lifecycleapp/PLCDetail.wss?q45=W197446Z22325E43
V 7.1 started in 2010, the support ended this year, so 8 years in total.
The LTS versions of Ubuntu server are supported for 5 years max, so it
means you have to upgrade every 5 years if you don't want to run your business in an unsecure unsupported environment, so... what we are
talking about?
PS: Windows support is 5 years too (in the version LTSB), 10 with the extended support (extended = only security updates, you have to pay otherwise)
It is true, But ... if you are paying software maintenance, hardware maintenance, and a plus ... extended support it is too much inIf you pay Sfw maint then you have no need to stay behind in SysRel:
comparison with the Linux fees. The businessman, do not see technical goodies, but costs, short terms costs and thus, is more prone to changes.
Il 03.07.2018 09.07, Zenovalle ha scritto:
Il 02/07/2018 22:23, Obelix ha scritto:Extended support is available for V7.1 too. Obviously not for free.
Il 02/07/2018 12:02, CENTRINO ha scritto:
When the technician tells the businessman, that its business does not
run because of the lack of support from IBM, he starts to think in
Windows and Linux as alternatives.
Which, of course, does not to need to be updated to last version, eh?
And where every updates roll away easy, really??
We're talking about *two diff* Win & Linux, otherwise you've much more
problem updating Win and Linux than updating as400.
Just to add up to what Obelix said:
https://www-01.ibm.com/software/support/lifecycleapp/PLCDetail.wss?q45=W197446Z22325E43
V 7.1 started in 2010, the support ended this year, so 8 years in total.
The LTS versions of Ubuntu server are supported for 5 years max, so it
means you have to upgrade every 5 years if you don't want to run your
business in an unsecure unsupported environment, so... what we are
talking about?
PS: Windows support is 5 years too (in the version LTSB), 10 with the
extended support (extended = only security updates, you have to pay
otherwise)
Further more Linux and Microsoft support is not free at all, even in the first 5 years, only updates from the web are free, but you have to apply
by your own and there's no cumulative patches, that on system i you can
apply without fear of conflicts concurencies and prerequisites.
If you pay Sfw maint then you have no need to stay behind in SysRel:
update of the OS is included.
Il 03/07/2018 13:31, CENTRINO ha scritto:
It is true, But ... if you are paying software maintenance, hardwareupdate of the OS is included.
maintenance, and a plus ... extended support it is too much in
comparison with the Linux fees. The businessman, do not see technical
goodies, but costs, short terms costs and thus, is more prone to changes. >If you pay Sfw maint then you have no need to stay behind in SysRel:
But, again, tell me something that you can do 7.3 and not at 6.1. that
is useful ???
If you pay Sfw maint then you have no need to stay behind in SysRel:
update of the OS is included.
You can only upgrade if your hardware allows it, and it takes $'s to update hardware. Our current hardware wont upgrade past 7.1...
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:02:59 +0200, Obelix <obelix.it@gmail.com> wrote:
Il 03/07/2018 13:31, CENTRINO ha scritto:
It is true, But ... if you are paying software maintenance, hardwareupdate of the OS is included.
maintenance, and a plus ... extended support it is too much in
comparison with the Linux fees. The businessman, do not see technical
goodies, but costs, short terms costs and thus, is more prone to changes. >> If you pay Sfw maint then you have no need to stay behind in SysRel:
But, again, tell me something that you can do 7.3 and not at 6.1. that
is useful ???
El 03/07/2018 a las 15:04, Robert Comer escribió:
If you pay Sfw maint then you have no need to stay behind in SysRel:
update of the OS is included.
You can only upgrade if your hardware allows it, and it takes $'s to update >> hardware. Our current hardware wont upgrade past 7.1...
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:02:59 +0200, Obelix <obelix.it@gmail.com> wrote:
Il 03/07/2018 13:31, CENTRINO ha scritto:
It is true, But ... if you are paying software maintenance, hardwareupdate of the OS is included.
maintenance, and a plus ... extended support it is too much in
comparison with the Linux fees. The businessman, do not see technical
goodies, but costs, short terms costs and thus, is more prone to changes. >>> If you pay Sfw maint then you have no need to stay behind in SysRel:
But, again, tell me something that you can do 7.3 and not at 6.1. that
is useful ???
http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/2/872/ENUSAP16-0132/index.html&lang=en&request_locale=en
Saying what's new about 7r3 doesn't really help with budget matters when we aren't actively developing big projects -- it's just a plain old business.
:)
We probably will be getting new hardware, but that really doesn't make me feel good about IBM, our old machine is doing the job just fine...
Remember when you calculating upgrade costs and compare them to Windows machines, the i hardware costs a lot more so shouldn't be retired nearly as fast.
On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:01:55 +0100, CENTRINO <none@nonelandia.com> wrote:
El 03/07/2018 a las 15:04, Robert Comer escribió:
If you pay Sfw maint then you have no need to stay behind in SysRel:
update of the OS is included.
You can only upgrade if your hardware allows it, and it takes $'s to update >>> hardware. Our current hardware wont upgrade past 7.1...
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:02:59 +0200, Obelix <obelix.it@gmail.com> wrote:
Il 03/07/2018 13:31, CENTRINO ha scritto:
It is true, But ... if you are paying software maintenance, hardware >>>>> maintenance, and a plus ... extended support it is too much inupdate of the OS is included.
comparison with the Linux fees. The businessman, do not see technical >>>>> goodies, but costs, short terms costs and thus, is more prone to changes. >>>> If you pay Sfw maint then you have no need to stay behind in SysRel:
But, again, tell me something that you can do 7.3 and not at 6.1. that >>>> is useful ???
http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/2/872/ENUSAP16-0132/index.html&lang=en&request_locale=en
I have been working with AS/400 since 1988, yes a B10 machine that my
company as IBM Agent got. Before that, I worked with S/34, S/36 and
S/38. So, I know very very well what an IBM I system can deliver in
terms of confidence and durability.
Now, I give a lot of importance to "what's new", because I have to
recognize the effort of IBM in terms of openness. Now, if you want to
still be working only in RPG and green screen, you'll find very little >improvements, but still there are quite a few.
I think, that IBM should have write a microcode for Intel processors in
order to make it more popular and sell it as a DB2 database server box.
El 06/07/2018 a las 15:55, Robert Comer escribió:
Saying what's new about 7r3 doesn't really help with budget matters when we >> aren't actively developing big projects -- it's just a plain old business. >> :)
We probably will be getting new hardware, but that really doesn't make me
feel good about IBM, our old machine is doing the job just fine...
Remember when you calculating upgrade costs and compare them to Windows
machines, the i hardware costs a lot more so shouldn't be retired nearly as >> fast.
On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:01:55 +0100, CENTRINO <none@nonelandia.com> wrote:
El 03/07/2018 a las 15:04, Robert Comer escribió:
If you pay Sfw maint then you have no need to stay behind in SysRel: >>>>> update of the OS is included.
You can only upgrade if your hardware allows it, and it takes $'s to update
hardware. Our current hardware wont upgrade past 7.1...
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:02:59 +0200, Obelix <obelix.it@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>
Il 03/07/2018 13:31, CENTRINO ha scritto:
It is true, But ... if you are paying software maintenance, hardware >>>>>> maintenance, and a plus ... extended support it is too much inIf you pay Sfw maint then you have no need to stay behind in SysRel: >>>>> update of the OS is included.
comparison with the Linux fees. The businessman, do not see technical >>>>>> goodies, but costs, short terms costs and thus, is more prone to changes.
But, again, tell me something that you can do 7.3 and not at 6.1. that >>>>> is useful ???
http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/2/872/ENUSAP16-0132/index.html&lang=en&request_locale=en
I have been working with AS/400 since 1988, yes a B10 machine that my
company as IBM Agent got. Before that, I worked with S/34, S/36 and
S/38. So, I know very very well what an IBM I system can deliver in
terms of confidence and durability. I do still remember when IBM was out
of standards selling Token Ring instead of Ethernet or machines with SNA
and no native TCP/IP.
Now, I give a lot of importance to "what's new", because I have to
recognize the effort of IBM in terms of openness. Now, if you want to
still be working only in RPG and green screen, you'll find very little >improvements, but still there are quite a few.
I think, that IBM should have write a microcode for Intel processors in
order to make it more popular and sell it as a DB2 database server box.
Now it languishes ...
On my opinion there are no great disadvantages with an AS/400. Somethat was 1998
people mention the price but they should remember the reliability of the AS/400, too.
The only disadvantage known by me is that you can not run an AS/400 24
hours over 7 days a week. From time to time you have to do an IPL to
allow the AS/400 to reorganize temporaly used adresses. If you forget to
do an IPL you will run out of free adresses and the system will stop. At
this point you MUST do an IPL!
A customer of our company owns a Model 320 and he has to do one IPL per
week. But I think that this is independant of the model. Other people
may correct this.
Kind regards
Thomas Raddatz, Germany
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would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Todd Snyder
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One of the main disadvantages of the AS400 is that it has no native
graphics
or sound support.
This may change in the future. The Java porting to AS400 does not include
the AWT Package so you can have 100% Java clients, but the server can not
run alot of Java applications - via OS/400.
If IBM gave OS/400 a GUI instead of spending millions on OS/2, it could of killed NT4 before it was born!
Cheers
Larry
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for is any information about the disadvantages of an AS/400. Anyinformation
would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Todd Snyder
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