• Big Epic store sale next week!

    From rms@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 15 07:54:35 2023
    33% off coupons, apparently on everything over $15 https://www.videogamer.com/news/epic-games-store-black-friday-sale-2023-start-date/

    rms

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to rms on Wed Nov 15 08:36:41 2023
    On 11/15/2023 6:54 AM, rms wrote:
    33% off coupons, apparently on everything over $15 https://www.videogamer.com/news/epic-games-store-black-friday-sale-2023-start-date/

    Its too early for Black Friday sales! I haven't even finished October yet!

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to rsquiresMOO@MOOflashMOO.net on Wed Nov 15 12:39:32 2023
    On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 07:54:35 -0700, "rms"
    <rsquiresMOO@MOOflashMOO.net> wrote:

    33% off coupons, apparently on everything over $15 >https://www.videogamer.com/news/epic-games-store-black-friday-sale-2023-start-date/


    Hardly surprising; it's "Black Friday" season (an American-ism that is
    sadly spreading to the rest of the world), and pretty much EVERYONE is
    going to have big sales.

    Not that I'll be participating. I don't feel like giving money to Epic
    (I'll take their free games, though ;-)

    I wonder how effective these sales will be for Epic, though. As has
    been repeatedly reported recently, the Epic Game Store hasn't made a
    profit since it opened in December 2018. That's not really as shocking
    as some news outlets make it out, though; it wasn't EXPECTED to make a
    profit until 2024 (and the pandemic messed around with Epic's
    financial predictions the same way it did with everybody else's. IIRC,
    the revised predictions are for profitability in 2027). Breaking into
    a mature market dominated by a single major player is an expensive
    proposition and Epic was in it for the long haul!

    But it's unlikely that Epic will ever be the powerhouse that tumbles
    Valve from its perch that it initially hoped; more likely, it will be
    an also-ran like GOG or UPlay. For a variety of reasons, it was never
    seen as a real alternative for gamers. From their alienating their
    customers with some initially sketchy moves, to a lack of features in
    their client, to their products being seen as lesser quality (released
    on Epic first, most exclusives get ported to Steam after all the bugs
    have been fixed), to simple popularity, Epic Game Store just isn't the
    first place people go when they want to buy games.

    And I don't think across-the-board 33% sales are going to help
    counter-act that very much. It's not the price of games that are
    keeping people on Steam.

    In fact, I have to wonder if the continued stream of free games on
    Epic is now hurting the store more than it helps. Obviously, that has
    to be a significant financial burden, but I think it's more than that.
    Firstly, it trains customers to undervalue games; paying $60 for a
    game seems outrageous when you can get a game of nearly comparative
    value for free. Not to mention it's harder to justify paying for a NEW
    game when you have a huge library of unplayed games in your library
    already. Epic's weekly freebies served their purpose of onboarding
    millions of users to the platform, but they've long since served their
    purpose and the program probably should have been terminated a year or
    two ago.

    TL;DR: an aimless ramble about how Epic is having a sale, but does it
    really matter?

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 15 16:26:40 2023
    On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 07:54:35 -0700, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, rms
    wrote:

    33% off coupons, apparently on everything over $15 >https://www.videogamer.com/news/epic-games-store-black-friday-sale-2023-start-date/


    Thanks! Personally? I'm never giving Epic any money ever, but I sure like
    the heads up.

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    Zag

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    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Zaghadka on Wed Nov 15 17:51:32 2023
    On 11/15/23 16:26, Zaghadka wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 07:54:35 -0700, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, rms wrote:

    33% off coupons, apparently on everything over $15
    https://www.videogamer.com/news/epic-games-store-black-friday-sale-2023-start-date/


    Thanks! Personally? I'm never giving Epic any money ever, but I sure like
    the heads up.


    Yeah, from what I've heard they are pretty unethical. And also Fortnite
    is kinda bad too.
    --
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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 16 14:38:47 2023
    Am 16.11.23 um 00:51 schrieb candycanearter07:
    On 11/15/23 16:26, Zaghadka wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 07:54:35 -0700, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, rms
    wrote:

    33% off coupons, apparently on everything over $15
    https://www.videogamer.com/news/epic-games-store-black-friday-sale-2023-start-date/


    Thanks! Personally? I'm never giving Epic any money ever, but I sure like
    the heads up.


    Yeah, from what I've heard they are pretty unethical. And also Fortnite
    is kinda bad too.

    Not interested in EPIC either, thanks to their exclusives buyout
    tactics, otherwise I do not care about them too much.
    Problem is, today is Steam Deck Oled sale day... so my disposable income
    for the next two months is locked away anyway.

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 16 14:39:59 2023
    Am 16.11.23 um 14:38 schrieb Werner P.:
    Am 16.11.23 um 00:51 schrieb candycanearter07:
    On 11/15/23 16:26, Zaghadka wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 07:54:35 -0700, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, rms >>> wrote:

    33% off coupons, apparently on everything over $15
    https://www.videogamer.com/news/epic-games-store-black-friday-sale-2023-start-date/


    Thanks! Personally? I'm never giving Epic any money ever, but I sure
    like
    the heads up.


    Yeah, from what I've heard they are pretty unethical. And also
    Fortnite is kinda bad too.

    Not interested in EPIC either, thanks to their exclusives buyout
    tactics, otherwise I do not care about them too much.
    Problem is, today is Steam Deck Oled sale day... so my disposable income
    for the next two months is locked away anyway.

    PS I am just glad I do not have any other "expensive" hobbies outside of
    PC electronics!
    One good way to save a ton of money is to find cheap hobbies or start
    building stuff yourself in many areas, parts usually are cheaper than
    products and way more fun to tinker around!

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Thu Nov 16 10:14:43 2023
    On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 14:39:59 +0100, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:


    One good way to save a ton of money is to find cheap hobbies or start >building stuff yourself in many areas, parts usually are cheaper than >products and way more fun to tinker around!

    All hobbies START cheap. Then before you know it, you're mortgaging
    the house and kids. ;-)

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Nov 16 07:13:03 2023
    On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 9:39:43 AM UTC-8, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 07:54:35 -0700, "rms"
    <rsqui...@MOOflashMOO.net> wrote:

    33% off coupons, apparently on everything over $15 >https://www.videogamer.com/news/epic-games-store-black-friday-sale-2023-start-date/
    Hardly surprising; it's "Black Friday" season (an American-ism that is
    sadly spreading to the rest of the world), and pretty much EVERYONE is
    going to have big sales.

    Not that I'll be participating. I don't feel like giving money to Epic
    (I'll take their free games, though ;-)

    I wonder how effective these sales will be for Epic, though. As has
    been repeatedly reported recently, the Epic Game Store hasn't made a
    profit since it opened in December 2018. That's not really as shocking
    as some news outlets make it out, though; it wasn't EXPECTED to make a profit until 2024 (and the pandemic messed around with Epic's
    financial predictions the same way it did with everybody else's. IIRC,
    the revised predictions are for profitability in 2027). Breaking into
    a mature market dominated by a single major player is an expensive proposition and Epic was in it for the long haul!

    But it's unlikely that Epic will ever be the powerhouse that tumbles
    Valve from its perch that it initially hoped; more likely, it will be
    an also-ran like GOG or UPlay. For a variety of reasons, it was never
    seen as a real alternative for gamers. From their alienating their
    customers with some initially sketchy moves, to a lack of features in
    their client, to their products being seen as lesser quality (released
    on Epic first, most exclusives get ported to Steam after all the bugs
    have been fixed), to simple popularity, Epic Game Store just isn't the
    first place people go when they want to buy games.

    You left out the worst UI of any client I have, which hasn't been
    improved in 5 years! There's so much shovelware I own from the
    giveaways, it's so slow, and there's no way to sort the games in a
    useful way that just finding something is more effort than it's worth.
    It's such a hassle I don't even get the free games anymore unless
    I think it's something I would play at some point.

    It's so bad I'm actually considering buying the few games I really like
    on GoG or Steam if and when I want to replay them.

    - Justisaur

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 16 18:56:18 2023
    Am 16.11.23 um 16:14 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
    On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 14:39:59 +0100, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:


    One good way to save a ton of money is to find cheap hobbies or start
    building stuff yourself in many areas, parts usually are cheaper than
    products and way more fun to tinker around!

    All hobbies START cheap. Then before you know it, you're mortgaging
    the house and kids. ;-)


    Been in this hobby for too long to fall for that trap

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Thu Nov 16 12:12:13 2023
    On 11/16/2023 9:56 AM, Werner P. wrote:
    Am 16.11.23 um 16:14 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
    On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 14:39:59 +0100, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:


    One good way to save a ton of money is to find cheap hobbies or start
    building stuff yourself in many areas, parts usually are cheaper than
    products and way more fun to tinker around!

    All hobbies START cheap. Then before you know it, you're mortgaging
    the house and kids. ;-)


    Been in this hobby for too long to fall for that trap

    How much did you latest gaming rig cost? :P

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Thu Nov 16 17:48:44 2023
    On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 07:13:03 -0800 (PST), in
    comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, Justisaur wrote:

    On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 9:39:43?AM UTC-8, Spalls Hurgenson wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 07:54:35 -0700, "rms"
    <rsqui...@MOOflashMOO.net> wrote:

    [snip]
    But it's unlikely that Epic will ever be the powerhouse that tumbles
    Valve from its perch that it initially hoped; more likely, it will be
    an also-ran like GOG or UPlay. For a variety of reasons, it was never
    seen as a real alternative for gamers. From their alienating their
    customers with some initially sketchy moves, to a lack of features in
    their client, to their products being seen as lesser quality (released
    on Epic first, most exclusives get ported to Steam after all the bugs
    have been fixed), to simple popularity, Epic Game Store just isn't the
    first place people go when they want to buy games.

    You left out the worst UI of any client I have, which hasn't been
    improved in 5 years! There's so much shovelware I own from the
    giveaways, it's so slow, and there's no way to sort the games in a
    useful way that just finding something is more effort than it's worth.
    It's such a hassle I don't even get the free games anymore unless
    I think it's something I would play at some point.

    Yes. It is f-ing terrible.

    Ubisoft Connect gives it a run for its money, though.

    This is because Connect wants admin rights. Sometimes it UACs you
    multiple times, in fact. No *game* client should ever have admin rights
    unless it's updating itself. Connect asks on every launch. You can tell
    it "no" and it will still run, but what you can't do is "make it stop."

    No other client I have does this. It's like it's 1995 all over again.

    I consider far worse than EPIC, but EPIC loses overall because its UI and
    game management is such an ungainly POS.

    If anyone can stop Ubi from UACing me on every open, please tell me how.

    It's so bad I'm actually considering buying the few games I really like
    on GoG or Steam if and when I want to replay them.


    Since I always buy on discount, unless it's CDPR, I buy games I really
    like on multiple services anyway. Did it for Overload, IIRC.

    Give the good people their money. It's how we get good games. If you like
    a freebie, definitely buy it somewhere else. Just DON'T BUY IT ON EPIC.

    EPIC needs to die in a fire. Won't miss the free games. It should die.

    --
    Zag

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Nov 16 17:34:00 2023
    On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 10:14:43 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 14:39:59 +0100, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:


    One good way to save a ton of money is to find cheap hobbies or start >>building stuff yourself in many areas, parts usually are cheaper than >>products and way more fun to tinker around!

    All hobbies START cheap. Then before you know it, you're mortgaging
    the house and kids. ;-)

    I've started birdwatching. Doesn't look like I'm going to be doing a
    second mortgage until I decide to build an aviary in the backyard.

    Got the camera, binocs, field guides, memberships, etc. If you're healthy enough to amble around, it's a relatively cheap hobby.

    --
    Zag

    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Zaghadka on Thu Nov 16 17:11:33 2023
    On 11/16/2023 3:48 PM, Zaghadka wrote:

    If anyone can stop Ubi from UACing me on every open, please tell me how.

    Don't use Ubi.

    --
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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 17 06:38:51 2023
    Am 17.11.23 um 00:34 schrieb Zaghadka:
    I've started birdwatching. Doesn't look like I'm going to be doing a
    second mortgage until I decide to build an aviary in the backyard.

    Got the camera, binocs, field guides, memberships, etc. If you're healthy enough to amble around, it's a relatively cheap hobby.
    I mostly do gardening and makers stuff, micro controllers are cheap,
    gardening, well some stuff can be expensive like building your own glass
    house to grow citrus, but thats a one time investment.
    Still cheaper than building a top end gaming pc nowadays, though!

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 17 06:37:35 2023
    Am 16.11.23 um 21:12 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:
    On 11/16/2023 9:56 AM, Werner P. wrote:
    Am 16.11.23 um 16:14 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
    On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 14:39:59 +0100, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:


    One good way to save a ton of money is to find cheap hobbies or start
    building stuff yourself in many areas, parts usually are cheaper than
    products and way more fun to tinker around!

    All hobbies START cheap. Then before you know it, you're mortgaging
    the house and kids. ;-)


    Been in this hobby for too long to fall for that trap

    How much did you latest gaming rig cost?  :P

    500... the steam deck :-D

    But besides that, I built a gaming rig after 12 years of pc absence I
    think 5 years ago, have been sticking with that and will for the
    forseeable future, but this is also my main pc.
    I went with AMD Ryzen because back then it was cheaper than Intel and
    way better, the biggest cost I think was the gpu itself which by
    nowadays after NVidia price hike standards was mid range costs.
    I think for the entire setup 1500 Euros or so. But that has been 5 years
    + probably another 3-4 years unless I will give up pc gaming entirely
    one way or the other with big pcs. (My disc prolapse I had 2 years ago,
    does not lend to pc gaming on chairs anymore)

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 17 06:41:43 2023
    Am 17.11.23 um 02:11 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:

    Don't use Ubi.

    Ubi did more to kill itself by enforcing their stupid client on everyone
    than anyone from outside ever could have done.
    That and trying stupiditly to be another EA by nickel and diming their customers!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Fri Nov 17 09:34:38 2023
    On 16/11/2023 13:39, Werner P. wrote:
    PS I am just glad I do not have any other "expensive" hobbies outside of
    PC electronics!
    One good way to save a ton of money is to find cheap hobbies or start building stuff yourself in many areas, parts usually are cheaper than products and way more fun to tinker around!

    I build model kits and although you can still do it the old fashioned
    way in general it has become more expensive whether it's must have tools
    (most of which aren't but I am glad that affordable airbrushes and
    compressors are available), weathering products and then what's called
    after market parts to upgrade the detail of the kit. It's not unusually
    for someone to spend £50 on a kit and then the same again for extras.

    You also have a certain breed of modeller that seems to think the size
    of what call your stash (how many unopened kits you have) is in some way
    is related to how good you are. I've seen people online who have
    literately several thousand pounds of kits and you just think why
    bother, you'll be dead before you've even built a small proportion of them.

    The other problem is vendors take an existing non-modelling product
    brand it as a modelling one and then sell it far more expensively. A
    good example of that is small syringes which are useful for mixing
    paints. You can get them for about 10p each on Amazon or buy the
    modelling ones at about £1 each even though they are exactly the same
    thing.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Fri Nov 17 09:39:16 2023
    On 17/11/2023 05:37, Werner P. wrote:
    Am 16.11.23 um 21:12 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:
    On 11/16/2023 9:56 AM, Werner P. wrote:
    Am 16.11.23 um 16:14 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
    On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 14:39:59 +0100, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:


    One good way to save a ton of money is to find cheap hobbies or start >>>>> building stuff yourself in many areas, parts usually are cheaper than >>>>> products and way more fun to tinker around!

    All hobbies START cheap. Then before you know it, you're mortgaging
    the house and kids. ;-)


    Been in this hobby for too long to fall for that trap

    How much did you latest gaming rig cost?  :P

    500... the steam deck :-D

    But besides that, I built a gaming rig after 12 years of pc absence I
    think 5 years ago, have been sticking with that and will for the
    forseeable future, but this is also my main pc.
    I went with AMD Ryzen because back then it was cheaper than Intel and
    way better, the biggest cost I think was the gpu itself which by
    nowadays after NVidia price hike standards was mid range costs.
    I think for the entire setup 1500 Euros or so. But that has been 5 years
    + probably another 3-4 years unless I will give up pc gaming entirely
    one way or the other with big pcs. (My disc prolapse I had 2 years ago,
    does not lend to pc gaming on chairs anymore)


    My last upgrade a few years ago I was going down the route of my normal
    £1000+ for CPU+MB+RAM+GPU but then I thought my current one is about
    seven years old and there's very few games where it struggles. That's
    why I went for the budget option which ended up at around £450.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Nov 17 08:00:11 2023
    On 11/17/2023 1:34 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 16/11/2023 13:39, Werner P. wrote:
    PS I am just glad I do not have any other "expensive" hobbies outside
    of PC electronics!
    One good way to save a ton of money is to find cheap hobbies or start
    building stuff yourself in many areas, parts usually are cheaper than
    products and way more fun to tinker around!

    I build model kits and although you can still do it the old fashioned
    way in general it has become more expensive whether it's must have tools (most of which aren't but I am glad that affordable airbrushes and compressors are available), weathering products and then what's called
    after market parts to upgrade the detail of the kit. It's not unusually
    for someone to spend £50 on a kit and then the same again for extras.

    You also have a certain breed of modeller that seems to think the size
    of what call your stash (how many unopened kits you have) is in some way
    is related to how good you are. I've seen people online who have
    literately several thousand pounds of kits and you just think why
    bother, you'll be dead before you've even built a small proportion of them.

    "The Number must grow!" ;)

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 17 18:22:36 2023
    Am 17.11.23 um 17:00 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:
    On 11/17/2023 1:34 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 16/11/2023 13:39, Werner P. wrote:
    PS I am just glad I do not have any other "expensive" hobbies outside
    of PC electronics!
    One good way to save a ton of money is to find cheap hobbies or start
    building stuff yourself in many areas, parts usually are cheaper than
    products and way more fun to tinker around!

    I build model kits and although you can still do it the old fashioned
    way in general it has become more expensive whether it's must have
    tools (most of which aren't but I am glad that affordable airbrushes
    and compressors are available), weathering products and then what's
    called after market parts to upgrade the detail of the kit. It's not
    unusually for someone to spend £50 on a kit and then the same again
    for extras.

    You also have a certain breed of modeller that seems to think the size
    of what call your stash (how many unopened kits you have) is in some
    way is related to how good you are. I've seen people online who have
    literately several thousand pounds of kits and you just think why
    bother, you'll be dead before you've even built a small proportion of
    them.

    "The Number must grow!"  ;)

    More like the physical pile of shame!

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Fri Nov 17 11:14:17 2023
    On 11/17/2023 9:22 AM, Werner P. wrote:
    Am 17.11.23 um 17:00 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:
    On 11/17/2023 1:34 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 16/11/2023 13:39, Werner P. wrote:
    PS I am just glad I do not have any other "expensive" hobbies
    outside of PC electronics!
    One good way to save a ton of money is to find cheap hobbies or start
    building stuff yourself in many areas, parts usually are cheaper
    than products and way more fun to tinker around!

    I build model kits and although you can still do it the old fashioned
    way in general it has become more expensive whether it's must have
    tools (most of which aren't but I am glad that affordable airbrushes
    and compressors are available), weathering products and then what's
    called after market parts to upgrade the detail of the kit. It's not
    unusually for someone to spend £50 on a kit and then the same again
    for extras.

    You also have a certain breed of modeller that seems to think the
    size of what call your stash (how many unopened kits you have) is in
    some way is related to how good you are. I've seen people online who
    have literately several thousand pounds of kits and you just think
    why bother, you'll be dead before you've even built a small
    proportion of them.

    "The Number must grow!"  ;)

    More like the physical pile of shame!

    As measured by The Number!

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Sat Nov 18 09:26:19 2023
    On 17/11/2023 17:22, Werner P. wrote:
    Am 17.11.23 um 17:00 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:
    On 11/17/2023 1:34 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 16/11/2023 13:39, Werner P. wrote:
    PS I am just glad I do not have any other "expensive" hobbies
    outside of PC electronics!
    One good way to save a ton of money is to find cheap hobbies or start
    building stuff yourself in many areas, parts usually are cheaper
    than products and way more fun to tinker around!

    I build model kits and although you can still do it the old fashioned
    way in general it has become more expensive whether it's must have
    tools (most of which aren't but I am glad that affordable airbrushes
    and compressors are available), weathering products and then what's
    called after market parts to upgrade the detail of the kit. It's not
    unusually for someone to spend £50 on a kit and then the same again
    for extras.

    You also have a certain breed of modeller that seems to think the
    size of what call your stash (how many unopened kits you have) is in
    some way is related to how good you are. I've seen people online who
    have literately several thousand pounds of kits and you just think
    why bother, you'll be dead before you've even built a small
    proportion of them.

    "The Number must grow!"  ;)

    More like the physical pile of shame!


    It's quite strange when you have the people who are really quite proud
    of how many kits the have. There was a person on a forum I used that
    seemed to spend more time making posts about the next bunch of kits they
    had bought (it wasn't unusually for them to buy ten or twenty kits in
    one week) than they did actually building models.

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 18 12:25:39 2023
    Am 18.11.23 um 10:26 schrieb JAB:

    It's quite strange when you have the people who are really quite proud
    of how many kits the have. There was a person on a forum I used that
    seemed to spend more time making posts about the next bunch of kits they
    had bought (it wasn't unusually for them to buy ten or twenty kits in
    one week) than they did actually building models.

    Same those physical console game collectors, they have thousands of
    boxes in their selves with the original machines which they never play.

    I am not getting it, they just collect them to show pictures off, in the meanwhile I am perfectly happy with my mister which can emulate those
    systems almost perfectly or perfectly and do not have my stacks full.

    But I am not getting most collectors anyway, except for their
    inheritance which might have a value once they die.
    But that also depends on if you were lucky collecting the right things!

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 18 08:25:31 2023
    On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 09:34:38 +0000, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, JAB
    wrote:

    You also have a certain breed of modeller that seems to think the size
    of what call your stash (how many unopened kits you have) is in some way
    is related to how good you are. I've seen people online who have
    literately several thousand pounds of kits and you just think why
    bother, you'll be dead before you've even built a small proportion of them.

    Today on Hoarders! Shortest episode ever. Once we forced our way through
    the kit blocked front door, we all got high on the ubiquitous modeling
    glue fumes in the house and decided to have a lie down.

    --
    Zag

    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Sat Nov 18 08:20:17 2023
    On 11/18/2023 3:25 AM, Werner P. wrote:
    Am 18.11.23 um 10:26 schrieb JAB:

    It's quite strange when you have the people who are really quite proud
    of how many kits the have. There was a person on a forum I used that
    seemed to spend more time making posts about the next bunch of kits
    they had bought (it wasn't unusually for them to buy ten or twenty
    kits in one week) than they did actually building models.

    Same those physical console game collectors, they have thousands of
    boxes in their selves with the original machines which they never play.

    I am not getting it, they just collect them to show pictures off, in the meanwhile I am perfectly happy with my mister which can emulate those
    systems almost perfectly or perfectly and do not have my stacks full.

    But I am not getting most collectors anyway, except for their
    inheritance which might have a value once they die.
    But that also depends on if you were lucky collecting the right things!

    Just keep reminding yourself, "Humans are not rational." ;)

    Or in some of these kinds of instances, wonder how many generations back
    the squirrel some ancestor mated with was. :D

    --
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    dirty old man.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Sat Nov 18 22:17:06 2023
    On 11/16/23 23:41, Werner P. wrote:
    Am 17.11.23 um 02:11 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:

    Don't use Ubi.

    Ubi did more to kill itself by enforcing their stupid client on everyone
    than anyone from outside ever could have done.
    That and trying stupiditly to be another EA by nickel and diming their customers!


    Nobody seems to realize that customer experience actually matters,
    besides Valve..
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 18 21:58:15 2023
    On 11/18/2023 8:17 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    On 11/16/23 23:41, Werner P. wrote:
    Am 17.11.23 um 02:11 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:

    Don't use Ubi.

    Ubi did more to kill itself by enforcing their stupid client on everyone
    than anyone from outside ever could have done.
    That and trying stupiditly to be another EA by nickel and diming their
    customers!


    Nobody seems to realize that customer experience actually matters,
    besides Valve..

    Well, it doesn't. If you have a monopoly....

    --
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    dirty old man.

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 19 15:02:47 2023
    Am 19.11.23 um 06:58 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:

    Well, it doesn't.  If you have a monopoly....
    ubi has a monopoly?

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Sun Nov 19 09:38:56 2023
    On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 08:20:17 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:


    Or in some of these kinds of instances, wonder how many generations back
    the squirrel some ancestor mated with was. :D

    Oh, I see what you're insinuating! But I'll have you know that I came
    across my hoarding predilections naturally, and that my
    great-grandmother was definitely not a squirrel! I don't care how many
    acorns they found in her attic! ;-) ;-)

    Although my video game habits are really based more on experience than
    just a simple hoarding instinct. Too often I'd want a game but - by
    the time I'd scrounged the cash to buy it - it was no longer available
    (this, of course, was mostly back in the day when games were sold in brick-n-mortar stores where shelf-space was at a premium, and things
    like EBay weren't an easy alternative to finding long-tail items).

    Coupled to that was that I'd often overlook games which - at the time
    - didn't look appealing to me, but I'd later discover would have been
    a perfect match for me.

    End result: I grab all the games I can because I never know when I'll
    want to play them. And I make an honest effort to play as many of them
    as I can (and try to give each at least an install and look-over, even
    if I don't actually engage with them for more than a few moments).

    The fact that digital marketplaces make acquisition (and storage) of
    the games so easy, and that disk space has become so plentiful, AND
    that they're literally giving away games for free these days... well,
    it's no wonder The Number has grown so large. ;-)

    But it's definitely NOT because I'm part-squirrel. The bushy tail is
    just a fashion statement.

    Chek-chek-chek-chirrup.

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 19 16:12:14 2023
    Am 18.11.23 um 17:20 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:

    Just keep reminding yourself, "Humans are not rational."  😉
    There is a joke here...

    What happened 1918?

    That was the year the first policemen came upright walking out of the
    woods...

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sun Nov 19 09:52:59 2023
    On 11/19/2023 6:38 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 08:20:17 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:


    Or in some of these kinds of instances, wonder how many generations back
    the squirrel some ancestor mated with was. :D

    Oh, I see what you're insinuating! But I'll have you know that I came
    across my hoarding predilections naturally, and that my
    great-grandmother was definitely not a squirrel! I don't care how many
    acorns they found in her attic! ;-) ;-)

    Although my video game habits are really based more on experience than
    just a simple hoarding instinct. Too often I'd want a game but - by
    the time I'd scrounged the cash to buy it - it was no longer available
    (this, of course, was mostly back in the day when games were sold in brick-n-mortar stores where shelf-space was at a premium, and things
    like EBay weren't an easy alternative to finding long-tail items).

    Coupled to that was that I'd often overlook games which - at the time
    - didn't look appealing to me, but I'd later discover would have been
    a perfect match for me.

    End result: I grab all the games I can because I never know when I'll
    want to play them. And I make an honest effort to play as many of them
    as I can (and try to give each at least an install and look-over, even
    if I don't actually engage with them for more than a few moments).

    The fact that digital marketplaces make acquisition (and storage) of
    the games so easy, and that disk space has become so plentiful, AND
    that they're literally giving away games for free these days... well,
    it's no wonder The Number has grown so large. ;-)

    But it's definitely NOT because I'm part-squirrel. The bushy tail is
    just a fashion statement.

    Chek-chek-chek-chirrup.


    Just for context, my maternal grandmother used to take vacations in
    China. A significant number of them. Every trip she would come back
    with enough furniture and knick-knacks to furnish a house. After she
    died it took my mother about 20 years to clean up, appraise and auction
    off all of it.... The several thousand books I have and almost as many TV/Movie DVD/BR discs is in no way related to that. ;)

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Sun Nov 19 09:47:04 2023
    On 11/19/2023 6:02 AM, Werner P. wrote:
    Am 19.11.23 um 06:58 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:

    Well, it doesn't.  If you have a monopoly....
    ubi has a monopoly?

    I'm sure they want one and in the business world if you want something
    act like you already have it. :P

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 19 19:21:27 2023
    Am 19.11.23 um 18:47 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:
    On 11/19/2023 6:02 AM, Werner P. wrote:
    Am 19.11.23 um 06:58 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:

    Well, it doesn't.  If you have a monopoly....
    ubi has a monopoly?

    I'm sure they want one and in the business world if you want something
    act like you already have it.  :P

    Arrogance usually is the last step before the downfall!

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Sun Nov 19 13:57:48 2023
    On 11/19/2023 10:21 AM, Werner P. wrote:
    Am 19.11.23 um 18:47 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:
    On 11/19/2023 6:02 AM, Werner P. wrote:
    Am 19.11.23 um 06:58 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:

    Well, it doesn't.  If you have a monopoly....
    ubi has a monopoly?

    I'm sure they want one and in the business world if you want something
    act like you already have it.  :P

    Arrogance usually is the last step before the downfall!

    But if I have a monopoly then I'm too big to fail and the government has
    to bail me out! :D

    Besides, I'll see it coming and can retire with a nice golden parachute
    before it does. :P

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    dirty old man.

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