• proper archival (Was: Re: Another CRAP Poll: Controllers)

    From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 16 07:55:00 2023
    On 10/16/23 05:27, H1M3M wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    You seem to be implying that there IS a difference between the two
    other than organizing....

    candycanearter07 wrote:
    The only difference is the intent and in-depth ness of storage.


    I stopped saving stuff when it felt like stuff on Internet would remain forever, but as "Internet Disease" / "Website Rot" worsens, update
    systems for digital stores replace good versions with worse ones and no option to keep or redownload the old one (Rocksmith 2014 before the 2022 "remaster"), and forums get deleted and replaced with Discord, I keep
    saving more and more stuff and become increasingly paranoid. From
    specific versions of software to web pages with tutorials and commands
    for server administration, laser discs rips, and building my own local network wiki with all the documentation I write.

    Completely fair, the internet is going downhill somewhat.

    I only used to save and maintain my photo albums. Nowadays it's more
    like "I need to save everything", then share it at the annual lanparty,
    and find that 4TB is not that much when you find somebody else has 40TB
    on DC.

    Have you considered uploading to archive.org?
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  • From H1M3M@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 16 16:07:14 2023
    candycanearter07 wrote:

    Have you considered uploading to archive.org?

    There was a preservation effort to scan a lot of old game magazines from
    the eighties and nineties. Everybody was working in secrecy, and in the
    moment files were leaked, the copyright strikes fell like a hammer. Only
    a few issues have ever made it to archive.org, and they get removed often.

    It's more like avoiding having all the eggs in one single basket, and
    the fear of archive.org getting taken down one day only fuels the data
    hoarding issues.

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/20/internet_archive_lawsuit_latest/

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 16 09:41:05 2023
    On 10/16/23 09:07, H1M3M wrote:
    candycanearter07 wrote:

    Have you considered uploading to archive.org?

    There was a preservation effort to scan a lot of old game magazines from
    the eighties and nineties. Everybody was working in secrecy, and in the moment files were leaked, the copyright strikes fell like a hammer. Only
    a few issues have ever made it to archive.org, and they get removed often.

    It's not like they're selling them nowadays.. Feels cruel to remove the
    only source for their history

    like Nintendo
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  • From H1MEM@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 16 20:33:31 2023
    candycanearter07 wrote:

    It's not like they're selling them nowadays.. Feels cruel to remove
    the only source for their history

    like Nintendo

    It's exactly like Nintendo. Those publications have never been
    reprinted, other than than the first issue for a limited event. They
    don't sell them digitally, and yet they don't want them to circulate on internet. I don't know, maybe they don't want people to know about the
    time they lied about having been invited by Capcom to Japan to try
    Resident Evil 4 (they stole the article from a publication from a
    different country). Or the time they lied about Zelda: Link's awakening releasing translated (which was a huge selling point in any european
    country that is not Ireland or UK at a time where we sucked at english).

    Still, they are important publications, and many times they will contain pre-release screenshots of stuff that never made it to the final game,
    like Hidden Palace Zone in Sonic 2. OR the reader's mail section, which
    shows how pissed gamers were about the inflated prices of cartridge games.

    Sorry about derailing the original thread starting post.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 16 12:36:48 2023
    On 10/16/2023 11:33 AM, H1MEM wrote:
    candycanearter07 wrote:

    It's not like they're selling them nowadays.. Feels cruel to remove
    the only source for their history

    like Nintendo

    It's exactly like Nintendo. Those publications have never been
    reprinted, other than than the first issue for a limited event. They
    don't sell them digitally, and yet they don't want them to circulate on internet. I don't know, maybe they don't want people to know about the
    time they lied about having been invited by Capcom to Japan to try
    Resident Evil 4 (they stole the article from a publication from a
    different country). Or the time they lied about Zelda: Link's awakening releasing translated (which was a huge selling point in any european
    country that is not Ireland or UK at a time where we sucked at english).

    Still, they are important publications, and many times they will contain pre-release screenshots of stuff that never made it to the final game,
    like Hidden Palace Zone in Sonic 2. OR the reader's mail section, which
    shows how pissed gamers were about the inflated prices of cartridge games.

    Sorry about derailing the original thread starting post.

    Spalls loves a good train wreck and hopes the CRAP threads get derailed. :D

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Mon Oct 16 16:12:26 2023
    On 10/16/23 14:36, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    Spalls loves a good train wreck and hopes the CRAP threads get
    derailed.  :D


    I'm fine with going off topic, as long as the subject gets updated to
    the new topic at some point.
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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Tue Oct 17 17:12:21 2023
    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 12:36:48 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 10/16/2023 11:33 AM, H1MEM wrote:
    candycanearter07 wrote:

    Sorry about derailing the original thread starting post.

    Spalls loves a good train wreck and hopes the CRAP threads get derailed. :D

    I'm pretty sure that's the whole point of the threads in the first
    place. ;-)

    I don't care what people talk about... so long as they're talking.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 17 17:10:54 2023
    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 07:55:00 -0500, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net>
    wrote:

    On 10/16/23 05:27, H1M3M wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    You seem to be implying that there IS a difference between the two
    other than organizing....

    candycanearter07 wrote:
    The only difference is the intent and in-depth ness of storage.


    I stopped saving stuff when it felt like stuff on Internet would remain
    forever, but as "Internet Disease" / "Website Rot" worsens, update
    systems for digital stores replace good versions with worse ones and no
    option to keep or redownload the old one (Rocksmith 2014 before the 2022
    "remaster"), and forums get deleted and replaced with Discord, I keep
    saving more and more stuff and become increasingly paranoid. From
    specific versions of software to web pages with tutorials and commands
    for server administration, laser discs rips, and building my own local
    network wiki with all the documentation I write.

    Completely fair, the internet is going downhill somewhat.

    I only used to save and maintain my photo albums. Nowadays it's more
    like "I need to save everything", then share it at the annual lanparty,
    and find that 4TB is not that much when you find somebody else has 40TB
    on DC.

    Have you considered uploading to archive.org?

    Even archive.org isn't a guarenteed long-term repository.

    Older stuff that's not notable - usually smaller, personal websites or documents - can get blackholed... and stuff that may be under
    copyright? That's gone as soon as somebody - not necessarily even the
    copyright holder - complains about it.

    Archive.org is amazingly useful and has a lot of stuff you won't find elsewhere, but there's no guarantee that any of it will be available
    to posterity... especially now that the various publishers are taking
    more notice of it.

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