• Microsoft+Activision Merger: Confirmed

    From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 13 13:46:56 2023
    So, it looks like the Microsoft-Activision merger is actually going
    through. After spending $69* billion, and fighting off an FTC and UK
    lawsuit trying to block it, Microsoft has finally won.

    Which, honestly, surprised me. I really thought that - whether it was
    in the UK, the EU or the USA - one of those lawsuits would have put
    the kibosh on the whole deal. Because consolidations like this never
    end up benefiting the end-user, and Microsoft has already gotten in
    trouble for its monopoly position (albeit, back then with operating
    systems) before. Surely, I thought, one of those regulatory agencies
    would see sense. Silly me.

    Some people, of course, point to Sony and use that company's massive
    influence as an excuse for this merger. But if the problem is that
    Sony has too much power over the market, the answer isn't to create
    another software kaiju to stomp all over the industry. Others are
    hopeful that this merger means that Kotick - and indeed, all of the ActiBlizzard C-levels - get a well-deserved boot to the curb. And
    while Kotick is indeed out (with a 300 million golden parachute), it
    is unlikely all the people behind the more atrocious stories at the Activision/Blizzard will be culled.

    Microsoft itself is mostly interested in the merger for the mobile
    side of things; Activision is one of the largest mobile gaming
    companies in the world, and Microsoft was particularly weak in this
    area. But this merger also greatly strengthens the company's influence
    on the PC and console side of things too. The company has made a
    pledge not to make its biggest franchises exclusive to its platforms
    for 10 years... but that's actually not that long a time, and anyway,
    a violation of this agreement would take years to litigate and likely
    only result in a pittance of a penalty.

    As a PC gamer, I look at this merger with trepidation: Microsoft would
    love to dominate the market, and now - with Bethesda, Activision,
    Blizzard and Halo all under their aegis - they have a very impressive
    stable of games. Should Microsoft - in a year or five - decide to yank
    all these games off Steam, this would have a much better chance of
    succeeding than EA, Ubisoft, or Epic ever did. They would have an
    instant audience of hundreds of millions... and that's before taking
    into account any marketing gimmicks, like attracting people with free
    games or year-long free access to their streaming service.

    As much issue as I take with Steam at times, Valve has been - largely
    - a good, hands-off caretaker for PC gaming, more interested in
    competing in the merits of their platform than gaming the system. I've
    no confidence in Microsoft being the same (especially not after
    ActiBlizzard C-levels infiltrate their gaming division).

    This merger isn't the end of PC gaming... but neither is it anything
    to celebrate either. The video game industry needs MORE players, not
    fewer.







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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 13 20:46:34 2023
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:



    So, it looks like the Microsoft-Activision merger is actually going
    through. After spending $69* billion, and fighting off an FTC and UK
    lawsuit trying to block it, Microsoft has finally won.
    <snip>

    So, Go Go MicroBlizActiSoft!

    If only they'll be as inept as Gadget.

    Xocyll

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  • From Geeknix@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sat Oct 14 08:30:04 2023
    On 2023-10-13, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    So, it looks like the Microsoft-Activision merger is actually going
    through. After spending $69* billion, and fighting off an FTC and UK
    lawsuit trying to block it, Microsoft has finally won.

    /snip/

    This merger isn't the end of PC gaming... but neither is it anything
    to celebrate either. The video game industry needs MORE players, not
    fewer.

    Thanks for a great summary as usual of this situation. I'm only reading
    about this via your posts. I don't think I play many of the affected
    games /currently/. Will be interesting to see how this plays out and how
    having three (MS, Sony, Nintendo) big players in the market pan out.

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sat Oct 14 08:34:57 2023
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 13:46:56 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    The company has made a
    pledge not to make its biggest franchises exclusive to its platforms
    for 10 years... but that's actually not that long a time

    Perhaps. 1990-2000 was forever in PC Gaming. 10 years is long enough that
    the CoD franchise could even collapse by then, and there will certainly
    be alternatives. Bliz is not doing so great; it has the same story: there
    will be alternatives.

    So maybe we just get to kiss off MS Bliztervision in 5 years and look elsewhere. Maybe it eats itself alive. Do you play anything released by
    that particular chimera? I sure don't.

    I'm much more concerned about MS taking a hard line on the Windows Store
    and gaming. If they get big enough to feel they have a viable independent gaming ecosystem they may try to mandate exclusive use of their Store. At
    that point, it's time for an antitrust lawsuit to break their gaming arm
    off of the OS arm.

    Or just break someone's arm. Whichever works best.

    --
    Zag

    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to usenet@apple.geeknix135.net on Sat Oct 14 09:27:41 2023
    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 08:30:04 GMT, Geeknix
    <usenet@apple.geeknix135.net> wrote:

    On 2023-10-13, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    So, it looks like the Microsoft-Activision merger is actually going
    through. After spending $69* billion, and fighting off an FTC and UK
    lawsuit trying to block it, Microsoft has finally won.

    /snip/

    This merger isn't the end of PC gaming... but neither is it anything
    to celebrate either. The video game industry needs MORE players, not
    fewer.

    Thanks for a great summary as usual of this situation. I'm only reading
    about this via your posts. I don't think I play many of the affected
    games /currently/. Will be interesting to see how this plays out and how >having three (MS, Sony, Nintendo) big players in the market pan out.


    Gosh, I hope you come across a more reliable source of news than me!
    Although, seeing as this news is plastered across pretty much every
    gaming website (and featured in many 'real media' websites too) I
    doubt that will be a problem. ;-)


    But, you're right. You may not see any immediate changes from this
    merger. Myself, I long weaned myself off Activision's teat, partly
    because I just found the company too scummy to support, but more
    because they really don't make games that I enjoy. It's harder with
    Microsoft - what with their buying Bethesda and Id Software - but they
    aren't majorly featured in any of my new game purchases.


    Still, it is hard not to look at this merger with some trepidation.
    Microsoft has become a massive force in the gaming industry (much more
    so than they already were), and they have the means and the desire to
    use this influence to their own benefit. They've made attempts to push
    their way into the digital sales market (remember the Windows App
    store?) but never quite had the clout - despite their Windows OS
    dominance - to convince a large enough audience to make the
    switch-over from Steam. Now... they just might.

    We, in fact, may already be seeing some movements in this area, with
    reports that Activision/Blizzard games may soon be appearing on
    Ubisoft's UPlay streaming service. This is doubly beneficial to
    Microsoft, since not only does it bring in some added cash from the
    licensing deal, but it helps to chip away at Valve's dominance of the
    PC gaming market.


    Microsoft is a convicted monopolist with an already overwhelming
    amount of control over the PC industry. It shouldn't have been allowed
    to increase its clout.

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Sat Oct 14 10:51:50 2023
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 13:46:56 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:



    So, it looks like the Microsoft-Activision merger is actually going
    through. After spending $69* billion, and fighting off an FTC and UK
    lawsuit trying to block it, Microsoft has finally won.

    Which, honestly, surprised me. I really thought that - whether it was
    in the UK, the EU or the USA - one of those lawsuits would have put
    the kibosh on the whole deal. Because consolidations like this never
    end up benefiting the end-user, and Microsoft has already gotten in
    trouble for its monopoly position (albeit, back then with operating
    systems) before. Surely, I thought, one of those regulatory agencies
    would see sense. Silly me.

    Some people, of course, point to Sony and use that company's massive >influence as an excuse for this merger. But if the problem is that
    Sony has too much power over the market, the answer isn't to create
    another software kaiju to stomp all over the industry. Others are
    hopeful that this merger means that Kotick - and indeed, all of the >ActiBlizzard C-levels - get a well-deserved boot to the curb. And
    while Kotick is indeed out (with a 300 million golden parachute), it
    is unlikely all the people behind the more atrocious stories at the >Activision/Blizzard will be culled.

    Microsoft itself is mostly interested in the merger for the mobile
    side of things; Activision is one of the largest mobile gaming
    companies in the world, and Microsoft was particularly weak in this
    area. But this merger also greatly strengthens the company's influence
    on the PC and console side of things too. The company has made a
    pledge not to make its biggest franchises exclusive to its platforms
    for 10 years... but that's actually not that long a time, and anyway,
    a violation of this agreement would take years to litigate and likely
    only result in a pittance of a penalty.

    As a PC gamer, I look at this merger with trepidation: Microsoft would
    love to dominate the market, and now - with Bethesda, Activision,
    Blizzard and Halo all under their aegis - they have a very impressive
    stable of games. Should Microsoft - in a year or five - decide to yank
    all these games off Steam, this would have a much better chance of
    succeeding than EA, Ubisoft, or Epic ever did. They would have an
    instant audience of hundreds of millions... and that's before taking
    into account any marketing gimmicks, like attracting people with free
    games or year-long free access to their streaming service.

    As much issue as I take with Steam at times, Valve has been - largely
    - a good, hands-off caretaker for PC gaming, more interested in
    competing in the merits of their platform than gaming the system. I've
    no confidence in Microsoft being the same (especially not after
    ActiBlizzard C-levels infiltrate their gaming division).

    This merger isn't the end of PC gaming... but neither is it anything
    to celebrate either. The video game industry needs MORE players, not
    fewer.







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    I didn't know that Blizzard was part of the deal. Are they part of
    Activision?

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-finalizes-dollar69-billion-activision-blizzard-acquisition?lrh=e475157eecb7dd5a143f7c36aea0032717f5d2d16d286111a58b04424ffe30f4

    -pw

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Sat Oct 14 16:35:52 2023
    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 10:51:50 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    I didn't know that Blizzard was part of the deal. Are they part of >Activision?

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-finalizes-dollar69-billion-activision-blizzard-acquisition?lrh=e475157eecb7dd5a143f7c36aea0032717f5d2d16d286111a58b04424ffe30f4

    ABK is a combined company that includes Activision + Blizzard + King.

    So, yes, Microsoft gets all three. Activision gives them, among other
    things, "Call of Duty" (which terrifies Sony), Blizzard (which still
    dominates MMORPGs), and King (which owns Candy Crush and a big chunk
    of the mobile gaming market). It is a massive gain for Microsoft.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Zaghadka on Sat Oct 14 17:22:06 2023
    On 10/14/23 08:34, Zaghadka wrote:
    I'm much more concerned about MS taking a hard line on the Windows Store
    and gaming. If they get big enough to feel they have a viable independent gaming ecosystem they may try to mandate exclusive use of their Store. At that point, it's time for an antitrust lawsuit to break their gaming arm
    off of the OS arm.

    Or just break someone's arm. Whichever works best.


    I am very worried that the Windows Store will start getting more exclusives.
    --
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  • From PW@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Sat Oct 14 17:33:51 2023
    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 16:35:52 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 10:51:50 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    I didn't know that Blizzard was part of the deal. Are they part of >>Activision?
    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-finalizes-dollar69-billion-activision-blizzard-acquisition?lrh=e475157eecb7dd5a143f7c36aea0032717f5d2d16d286111a58b04424ffe30f4

    ABK is a combined company that includes Activision + Blizzard + King.

    So, yes, Microsoft gets all three. Activision gives them, among other
    things, "Call of Duty" (which terrifies Sony), Blizzard (which still >dominates MMORPGs), and King (which owns Candy Crush and a big chunk
    of the mobile gaming market). It is a massive gain for Microsoft.





    *--

    Yes, seems like a no brainer.

    Thanks,

    -pw

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Oct 20 11:25:15 2023
    On 13/10/2023 18:46, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:


    So, it looks like the Microsoft-Activision merger is actually going
    through. After spending $69* billion, and fighting off an FTC and UK
    lawsuit trying to block it, Microsoft has finally won.

    Which, honestly, surprised me. I really thought that - whether it was
    in the UK, the EU or the USA - one of those lawsuits would have put
    the kibosh on the whole deal. Because consolidations like this never
    end up benefiting the end-user, and Microsoft has already gotten in
    trouble for its monopoly position (albeit, back then with operating
    systems) before. Surely, I thought, one of those regulatory agencies
    would see sense. Silly me.

    Some people, of course, point to Sony and use that company's massive influence as an excuse for this merger. But if the problem is that
    Sony has too much power over the market, the answer isn't to create
    another software kaiju to stomp all over the industry. Others are
    hopeful that this merger means that Kotick - and indeed, all of the ActiBlizzard C-levels - get a well-deserved boot to the curb. And
    while Kotick is indeed out (with a 300 million golden parachute), it
    is unlikely all the people behind the more atrocious stories at the Activision/Blizzard will be culled.

    Microsoft itself is mostly interested in the merger for the mobile
    side of things; Activision is one of the largest mobile gaming
    companies in the world, and Microsoft was particularly weak in this
    area. But this merger also greatly strengthens the company's influence
    on the PC and console side of things too. The company has made a
    pledge not to make its biggest franchises exclusive to its platforms
    for 10 years... but that's actually not that long a time, and anyway,
    a violation of this agreement would take years to litigate and likely
    only result in a pittance of a penalty.

    As a PC gamer, I look at this merger with trepidation: Microsoft would
    love to dominate the market, and now - with Bethesda, Activision,
    Blizzard and Halo all under their aegis - they have a very impressive
    stable of games. Should Microsoft - in a year or five - decide to yank
    all these games off Steam, this would have a much better chance of
    succeeding than EA, Ubisoft, or Epic ever did. They would have an
    instant audience of hundreds of millions... and that's before taking
    into account any marketing gimmicks, like attracting people with free
    games or year-long free access to their streaming service.

    As much issue as I take with Steam at times, Valve has been - largely
    - a good, hands-off caretaker for PC gaming, more interested in
    competing in the merits of their platform than gaming the system. I've
    no confidence in Microsoft being the same (especially not after
    ActiBlizzard C-levels infiltrate their gaming division).

    This merger isn't the end of PC gaming... but neither is it anything
    to celebrate either. The video game industry needs MORE players, not
    fewer.


    Is it good for the games industry as a whole, not really no. Is it going
    to have any practical effect on my gaming experience, that's another no.
    Indeed it could be a positive in that the big companies think why aren't
    we focusing more on mobile gaming and the pots of cash available.

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