• Lara Croft is alive!

    From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 8 08:28:16 2023
    I'm not really one to jump on the AI bandwagon. In general,
    ChatGPT-type large-language model algorithms are neat toys, but
    haven't really impressed me with their capabilities beyond that. They
    feel shallow and gimmicky and - despite the shouts of AI proponents -
    I don't really think they're going to radically alter video-games for
    the better.

    This video (Creating a Self-Aware Lara Croft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wTf_bbkW2U ) doesn't really change my opinion... still, it is a fun watch. It briefly details the challenges
    of creating a bot that not only can play "Tomb Raider" (1995) but also
    makes comments on what it is seeing/doing as if it were the character
    herself (and in a reasonably good approximation of Shelly Blond, the character's voice-actor). The first half of the video describes how
    the various subsystems work , but if you just want to see the bot playing/commenting jump to https://youtu.be/0wTf_bbkW2U?t=1208
    (20m29s) in the video. But either way, stick around for the debriefing
    at the end where the author explains the WHY of some of its choices.

    As I said, I don't think the addition of these AI-generated additions
    really improve the game... at least, not in any way that wouldn't be
    better done with human intervention. Its primary benefit seem to be to
    let developers do things more cheaply, not better, and I just don't
    see that as advantageous. Sure this would let the developers fill out
    bigger worlds with more content... but games maps are already too huge
    in my opinion, so creating a process that lets developers build
    immense worlds filled with a lot of low-quality content just doesn't
    seem that exciting to me.

    But the video's still fun to watch.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Tue Aug 8 12:43:25 2023
    On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:28:28 AM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    I'm not really one to jump on the AI bandwagon. In general,
    ChatGPT-type large-language model algorithms are neat toys, but
    haven't really impressed me with their capabilities beyond that.

    There's some things they can do quite well, but from what I've followed
    ChatGPT has locked it down quite a lot, and it doesn't give responses
    to a lot of things that were very useful just a few months ago, such as programming, talk therapy, medical and law advice. It's still great
    for churning out a few points into business jargon drafts. There's much hemming and hawing it does that needs to be removed that mark it easily
    as AI currently though.

    They
    feel shallow and gimmicky and - despite the shouts of AI proponents -
    I don't really think they're going to radically alter video-games for
    the better.

    I thought it did a generally pretty good job at the text bits of observation*, though there's bits that could be improved, which is generally the way AI feels to me, it can be great but needs human polish at the end. There's also the non-text AI stuff. Such as the talking in Laura Croft's voice, which is quite amazing, and stuff not shown here like creating images from words. Stuff
    like that is likely to make it into indy titles as a way to keep it all in small teams,
    and larger games for the bean counters.

    This reminds me of how some neurologists state what's going on in our brain, stuff is decided and acted on at lower levels then our conscious narrates what's
    happing as if it were actually doing the deciding.

    You know the narrator is also a text to voice result as well right? Much better
    than most of the really crap ones some videos have.


    This video (Creating a Self-Aware Lara Croft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wTf_bbkW2U ) doesn't really change my opinion... still, it is a fun watch. It briefly details the challenges
    of creating a bot that not only can play "Tomb Raider" (1995) but also
    makes comments on what it is seeing/doing as if it were the character herself (and in a reasonably good approximation of Shelly Blond, the character's voice-actor). The first half of the video describes how
    the various subsystems work , but if you just want to see the bot playing/commenting jump to https://youtu.be/0wTf_bbkW2U?t=1208
    (20m29s)

    Yeah the first 20 minutes were a bit boring, but once the play begins it
    gets much more interesting. I could see this technique being used more
    for testing games as he mentioned a couple times it seems to get stuck
    in the same places many people do.

    AI as NPCs:
    In somewhat the same vein I ran across this a few days ago, and laughed
    my head off, though more at the insane play of the host. It includes an AI NPC mod, which is probably more the type of thing we're likely to see in the future bakes in, it's far more obviously an AI in responses, and uses a standard common AI voice though.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwoGe066NHM&list=LL&index=70&t=15s

    I had almost posted this here, but wasn't sure it was quite appropriate content, but it fits in with this thread.

    - Justisaur

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  • From rms@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 8 16:46:19 2023
    I thought it did a generally pretty good job at the text bits of >observation*,

    I watched the video today too, very impressive!

    rms

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 12:15:04 2023
    On Tue, 08 Aug 2023 08:28:16 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:


    If you're interested, the creator has continued his explorations with
    his 'self aware' Lara Croft, exploring the next two levels of the
    game.

    * Self-Aware Lara Croft Plays Tomb Raider -
    Level 2 - City of Vilcabamba
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW-U8y-Dh7w

    * Self-Aware Lara Croft Plays Tomb Raider -
    Level 3 - Lost Valley
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkLVYWogRBM


    Again, I'm not completely convinced this is all as automated as the
    creator professes, but it makes for an interesting watch. The
    commentary alone is bizarrely entertaining.

    (there is some automation involved though; /nobody/ human plays the
    game where they kill bats with only one shot each. Those pistols have
    infinite ammo, and real players use them like submachine guns. ;-)

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  • From candycane@21:1/172 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sat Aug 26 15:30:28 2023
    If you're interested, the creator has continued his explorations with
    his 'self aware' Lara Croft, exploring the next two levels of the
    game.

    Oh cool! I liked Freeman's Mind, I'll have to check this out some time.

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