• Purest Evil

    From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 11 10:08:05 2023
    "May you live in interesting times" is a traditional curse. It doesn't
    sound like one, at first, until you start thinking about it. And even
    if you just focus on tech issues - ignoring all the political,
    economic and social changes - there is a lot of 'interesting' stuff
    going on. And too often, these changes are just purest evil.

    Case in point: https://www.fciv.net/

    Do you know what this malefic website is? It's "Civilization"... in a
    browser. Have you ever heard of anything so hideous and cruel? No
    longer can you escape the lure of "just one more" turn by not
    installing the game, or turning off your computer, or by leaving the
    house. No, "Civilization" (well, technically, the open-source
    re-implementation "FreeCiv") is online now. It can follow you wherever
    you go.

    Sleep? Work? Human interaction? None of that for you; not anymore.
    Whether it's on your PC, your console, your phone, your automobile entertainment system, your refrigerator... Civilization will be there,
    waiting for you. Taunting you. Tempting you. There's no escaping it.

    Don't believe me? Visit the website. But I don't recommend it. The
    dire threat of "just one more turn" is real. Don't say I didn't warn
    you.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Metal Guru@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Jul 13 23:35:07 2023
    On 7/11/2023 10:08 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    "May you live in interesting times" is a traditional curse. It doesn't
    sound like one, at first, until you start thinking about it. And even
    if you just focus on tech issues - ignoring all the political,
    economic and social changes - there is a lot of 'interesting' stuff
    going on. And too often, these changes are just purest evil.

    Case in point: https://www.fciv.net/

    This is really neat but it's very choppy on Chrome for some reason, Edge
    worked far better for me (I have 600Mbps cable). But I think I've had my
    fill of that genre - must have played the Civ's, SMAC and Colonization
    more than all other games combined, easily.

    --
    I distrust people who know so well what God wants them to do because it
    always coincides with their own desires.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sun Jul 16 09:41:17 2023
    On 11/07/2023 15:08, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    "May you live in interesting times" is a traditional curse. It doesn't
    sound like one, at first, until you start thinking about it. And even
    if you just focus on tech issues - ignoring all the political,
    economic and social changes - there is a lot of 'interesting' stuff
    going on. And too often, these changes are just purest evil.

    Case in point: https://www.fciv.net/

    Do you know what this malefic website is? It's "Civilization"... in a browser. Have you ever heard of anything so hideous and cruel? No
    longer can you escape the lure of "just one more" turn by not
    installing the game, or turning off your computer, or by leaving the
    house. No, "Civilization" (well, technically, the open-source re-implementation "FreeCiv") is online now. It can follow you wherever
    you go.

    Sleep? Work? Human interaction? None of that for you; not anymore.
    Whether it's on your PC, your console, your phone, your automobile entertainment system, your refrigerator... Civilization will be there, waiting for you. Taunting you. Tempting you. There's no escaping it.

    Don't believe me? Visit the website. But I don't recommend it. The
    dire threat of "just one more turn" is real. Don't say I didn't warn
    you.


    I played a lot of Civ 2/3 and although I enjoyed 4 for me it had lost
    that ability to make me have to force myself to go to bed at midnight
    and not just have one more turn. I did get 5 but I never even managed to
    finish a complete game. 6 I passed on.

    Part of the problem is the same one I have with most franchises, after a
    while I think I'm basically just playing the same game aren't I.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Jul 16 09:09:25 2023
    On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 09:41:17 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 11/07/2023 15:08, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    "May you live in interesting times" is a traditional curse. It doesn't
    sound like one, at first, until you start thinking about it. And even
    if you just focus on tech issues - ignoring all the political,
    economic and social changes - there is a lot of 'interesting' stuff
    going on. And too often, these changes are just purest evil.

    Case in point: https://www.fciv.net/

    Do you know what this malefic website is? It's "Civilization"... in a
    browser. Have you ever heard of anything so hideous and cruel? No
    longer can you escape the lure of "just one more" turn by not
    installing the game, or turning off your computer, or by leaving the
    house. No, "Civilization" (well, technically, the open-source
    re-implementation "FreeCiv") is online now. It can follow you wherever
    you go.

    Sleep? Work? Human interaction? None of that for you; not anymore.
    Whether it's on your PC, your console, your phone, your automobile
    entertainment system, your refrigerator... Civilization will be there,
    waiting for you. Taunting you. Tempting you. There's no escaping it.

    Don't believe me? Visit the website. But I don't recommend it. The
    dire threat of "just one more turn" is real. Don't say I didn't warn
    you.


    I played a lot of Civ 2/3 and although I enjoyed 4 for me it had lost
    that ability to make me have to force myself to go to bed at midnight
    and not just have one more turn. I did get 5 but I never even managed to >finish a complete game. 6 I passed on.

    Part of the problem is the same one I have with most franchises, after a >while I think I'm basically just playing the same game aren't I.

    Yes. It's been a problem that Civilization has been battling since...
    well, the Civilization II.

    (Maybe even before, since "Civilization for Windows" and "CivNet"
    preceded even that game)

    It's an issue all games face, but is particularly notable in strategy
    titles: after creating a game with a solid game-play loop, how do you
    convince the rubes to buy a sequel? Sure, you /could/ completely
    revamp the game, but then you're making a sequel-in-name-only, that
    runs the risk of all new IPs. Instead, most games just make a few
    minor tweaks to the gameplay and update the graphics. But after a
    while all these tweaks start becoming top-heavy and you need to do a
    radical re-adjustment anyway. And past a certain point, you're either
    just remaking the same game for the nth time, or have become something
    entirely new: either way, you've likely lost what made the original so appealing in the first place.

    For me, the original "Civilization" remains the quintessential
    Civ-experience. "Civilization 2" gets a lot of fanfare, but I felt a
    lot of its changes were made simply for the sake of change; more
    units, more actions, more nations. It all distracted from the core
    game-loop. "Civilization 3" just added more, even as it tried to
    correct some of the excesses, and its new additions didn't gel well
    with the overall strategy. "Civilization 4" was all about polish; it
    took the ideas from the past two games and reworked them into a more
    unified whole; it's why it's my second favorite of the series. #5 and
    #6 are just repeating the cycle, essentially the modern versions of #2
    and #3.

    Hopefully "Civilization VII" - if there's ever such a beast - will
    bring back some sanity to the franchise. But even if it does, why
    should I bother playing it when all its really doing is returning the
    game back to the balance found in #1 and #4, both of which I already
    own?

    I'd rather they just let the franchise rest, and move on to new ideas.

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