• 20 Million Strong

    From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 29 10:08:28 2023
    Whatever your opinion on the proposed Microsoft/Activision merger,
    there's one good thing coming out of it: more transparency about how
    these companies work.

    Take, for instance, this fact from a recently poorly redacted
    document: of all the people owning a Playstation 5, 1 million of them
    use the device /only/ to play "Call of Duty", while 20 million
    Playstation owners use it mainly play the same game.

    Which, honestly, makes me feel a little sad. Look, I'm no fan of the
    "Call of Duty" games; I think they are shallow, repetitive and haven't
    done anything new or original in almost two decades. I've given up
    playing the games because (amongst other reasons) they aren't
    different enough from earlier games for me to want to pay for the
    newest iteration.

    But that's me. Others love the series and - even though I rue the
    franchise's grip on the genre - I understand that tastes differ, and
    if people actually LIKE the gameplay in "Call of Duty", then more
    power to them.

    So it's not sad that so many people love the "Call of Duty" games.
    What /is/ sad is that these 20 million strong gamers aren't expanding
    their horizons. Of course they 'love' "Call of Duty" if that's all
    they are playing. But it's such a limited view of gaming and they
    deserve to have a wider scope before making that decision. Yet - like
    too often happens - they've cloistered themselves in their little COD
    bubble and are missing out on so many great games.

    Worse, this narrow mindedness makes them easier to victimize by
    rapacious corporations; if they're not going to jump to another game,
    then Activision has no incentive to make the games better or not
    overload it with MTX. And, sadly, those corporate decisions effect
    other gamers too.

    I've no conclusion or fix for this issue; it's just a bit of data that
    I've come across that I thought I'd share. It was something that made
    me think that I thought might be interesting.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Jun 29 13:13:26 2023
    On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 7:08:41 AM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    Whatever your opinion on the proposed Microsoft/Activision merger,
    there's one good thing coming out of it: more transparency about how
    these companies work.

    Take, for instance, this fact from a recently poorly redacted
    document: of all the people owning a Playstation 5, 1 million of them
    use the device /only/ to play "Call of Duty", while 20 million
    Playstation owners use it mainly play the same game.

    Which, honestly, makes me feel a little sad. Look, I'm no fan of the
    "Call of Duty" games; I think they are shallow, repetitive and haven't
    done anything new or original in almost two decades. I've given up
    playing the games because (amongst other reasons) they aren't
    different enough from earlier games for me to want to pay for the
    newest iteration.

    But that's me. Others love the series and - even though I rue the franchise's grip on the genre - I understand that tastes differ, and
    if people actually LIKE the gameplay in "Call of Duty", then more
    power to them.

    So it's not sad that so many people love the "Call of Duty" games.
    What /is/ sad is that these 20 million strong gamers aren't expanding
    their horizons. Of course they 'love' "Call of Duty" if that's all
    they are playing. But it's such a limited view of gaming and they
    deserve to have a wider scope before making that decision. Yet - like
    too often happens - they've cloistered themselves in their little COD
    bubble and are missing out on so many great games.

    Worse, this narrow mindedness makes them easier to victimize by
    rapacious corporations; if they're not going to jump to another game,
    then Activision has no incentive to make the games better or not
    overload it with MTX. And, sadly, those corporate decisions effect
    other gamers too.

    I've no conclusion or fix for this issue; it's just a bit of data that
    I've come across that I thought I'd share. It was something that made
    me think that I thought might be interesting.

    Call of Duty? I just made one!

    I'll never understand the things the majority like, especially when it's exclusive.

    - Justisaur

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Jun 29 21:02:19 2023
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 10:08:28 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    Worse, this narrow mindedness makes them easier to victimize by
    rapacious corporations; if they're not going to jump to another game,
    then Activision has no incentive to make the games better or not
    overload it with MTX. And, sadly, those corporate decisions effect
    other gamers too.

    I've no conclusion or fix for this issue; it's just a bit of data that
    I've come across that I thought I'd share. It was something that made
    me think that I thought might be interesting.

    Easy. We get them all a copy of Psygnosis' Lemmings. They will love it.

    --
    Zag

    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 30 04:26:45 2023
    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of
    the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 7:08:41?AM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    Whatever your opinion on the proposed Microsoft/Activision merger,
    there's one good thing coming out of it: more transparency about how
    these companies work.

    Take, for instance, this fact from a recently poorly redacted
    document: of all the people owning a Playstation 5, 1 million of them
    use the device /only/ to play "Call of Duty", while 20 million
    Playstation owners use it mainly play the same game.

    Which, honestly, makes me feel a little sad. Look, I'm no fan of the
    "Call of Duty" games; I think they are shallow, repetitive and haven't
    done anything new or original in almost two decades. I've given up
    playing the games because (amongst other reasons) they aren't
    different enough from earlier games for me to want to pay for the
    newest iteration.

    But that's me. Others love the series and - even though I rue the
    franchise's grip on the genre - I understand that tastes differ, and
    if people actually LIKE the gameplay in "Call of Duty", then more
    power to them.

    So it's not sad that so many people love the "Call of Duty" games.
    What /is/ sad is that these 20 million strong gamers aren't expanding
    their horizons. Of course they 'love' "Call of Duty" if that's all
    they are playing. But it's such a limited view of gaming and they
    deserve to have a wider scope before making that decision. Yet - like
    too often happens - they've cloistered themselves in their little COD
    bubble and are missing out on so many great games.

    Worse, this narrow mindedness makes them easier to victimize by
    rapacious corporations; if they're not going to jump to another game,
    then Activision has no incentive to make the games better or not
    overload it with MTX. And, sadly, those corporate decisions effect
    other gamers too.

    I've no conclusion or fix for this issue; it's just a bit of data that
    I've come across that I thought I'd share. It was something that made
    me think that I thought might be interesting.

    Call of Duty? I just made one!

    Did you remember to flush?

    Xocyll
    --
    I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
    a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
    Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
    FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Jun 30 10:40:14 2023
    On 29/06/2023 15:08, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    So it's not sad that so many people love the "Call of Duty" games.
    What/is/ sad is that these 20 million strong gamers aren't expanding
    their horizons. Of course they 'love' "Call of Duty" if that's all
    they are playing. But it's such a limited view of gaming and they
    deserve to have a wider scope before making that decision. Yet - like
    too often happens - they've cloistered themselves in their little COD
    bubble and are missing out on so many great games.

    I don't think it's sad just because it's like only drinking one type of
    wine but also it points to how companies use every trick in their
    armoury to make sure players invest all their time, and money, in a
    single game.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 30 08:53:05 2023
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 21:02:19 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 10:08:28 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:


    Worse, this narrow mindedness makes them easier to victimize by
    rapacious corporations; if they're not going to jump to another game,
    then Activision has no incentive to make the games better or not
    overload it with MTX. And, sadly, those corporate decisions effect
    other gamers too.

    Side note: Everytime I abbreviate "microtransactions", I'm reminded of
    the awful MTX Motocross game (coincidentally, also made by
    Activision).

    Although these days, I'm half convinced that if Activision released a
    new MTX game it would be using the newer form of the abbreviation: no
    game, all microtransactions. ;-)

    Easy. We get them all a copy of Psygnosis' Lemmings. They will love it.

    They deserve to play that game for the soundtrack alone.

    Raise your hand if you can still whistle some (most/all) of the music
    from the original game. 'Cause I sure can. Those were some catchy
    tunes.

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Fri Jun 30 09:18:04 2023
    On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:53:05 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Raise your hand if you can still whistle some (most/all) of the music
    from the original game. 'Cause I sure can. Those were some catchy
    tunes.

    <Raises hand>

    I have some of those tunes in my soundtrack collection.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Jun 30 11:14:54 2023
    On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 5:53:18 AM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 21:02:19 -0500, Zaghadka <zagh...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 10:08:28 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, >Spalls Hurgenson wrote:


    Worse, this narrow mindedness makes them easier to victimize by >>rapacious corporations; if they're not going to jump to another game, >>then Activision has no incentive to make the games better or not >>overload it with MTX. And, sadly, those corporate decisions effect
    other gamers too.
    Side note: Everytime I abbreviate "microtransactions", I'm reminded of
    the awful MTX Motocross game (coincidentally, also made by
    Activision).

    Although these days, I'm half convinced that if Activision released a
    new MTX game it would be using the newer form of the abbreviation: no
    game, all microtransactions. ;-)

    I've been wondering how MTX = microstransactions every time I see it,
    I also don't know the new abbreviation either. Microtransactions
    itself also sounds too mild. It should be called something like flim-flam.

    - Justisaur

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Fri Jun 30 11:17:27 2023
    On 6/30/2023 11:14 AM, Justisaur wrote:
    On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 5:53:18 AM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 21:02:19 -0500, Zaghadka <zagh...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 10:08:28 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:


    Worse, this narrow mindedness makes them easier to victimize by
    rapacious corporations; if they're not going to jump to another game,
    then Activision has no incentive to make the games better or not
    overload it with MTX. And, sadly, those corporate decisions effect
    other gamers too.
    Side note: Everytime I abbreviate "microtransactions", I'm reminded of
    the awful MTX Motocross game (coincidentally, also made by
    Activision).

    Although these days, I'm half convinced that if Activision released a
    new MTX game it would be using the newer form of the abbreviation: no
    game, all microtransactions. ;-)

    I've been wondering how MTX = microstransactions every time I see it,
    I also don't know the new abbreviation either. Microtransactions
    itself also sounds too mild. It should be called something like flim-flam.

    Financial Death By A Thousand Currency Cuts.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Fri Jun 30 17:15:33 2023
    On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 11:17:27 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 6/30/2023 11:14 AM, Justisaur wrote:


    I've been wondering how MTX = microstransactions every time I see it,
    I also don't know the new abbreviation either. Microtransactions
    itself also sounds too mild. It should be called something like flim-flam.

    Financial Death By A Thousand Currency Cuts.

    Yeah, but FiDBATCuC doesn't roll of the tongue the same way. ;-)

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Jun 30 18:16:57 2023
    On 6/30/2023 2:15 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 11:17:27 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 6/30/2023 11:14 AM, Justisaur wrote:


    I've been wondering how MTX = microstransactions every time I see it,
    I also don't know the new abbreviation either. Microtransactions
    itself also sounds too mild. It should be called something like flim-flam.

    Financial Death By A Thousand Currency Cuts.

    Yeah, but FiDBATCuC doesn't roll of the tongue the same way. ;-)

    Fine. Financial Death by a Thousand Cuts. Happy now?

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Rin Stowleigh@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Sun Jul 2 07:38:58 2023
    On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 10:08:28 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Take, for instance, this fact from a recently poorly redacted
    document: of all the people owning a Playstation 5, 1 million of them
    use the device /only/ to play "Call of Duty", while 20 million
    Playstation owners use it mainly play the same game.

    Which, honestly, makes me feel a little sad. Look, I'm no fan of the
    "Call of Duty" games; I think they are shallow, repetitive and haven't
    done anything new or original in almost two decades. I've given up
    playing the games because (amongst other reasons) they aren't
    different enough from earlier games for me to want to pay for the
    newest iteration.

    But that's me. Others love the series and - even though I rue the
    franchise's grip on the genre - I understand that tastes differ, and
    if people actually LIKE the gameplay in "Call of Duty", then more
    power to them.

    I do still play COD occasionally (more for the battle royale variation
    on it than the standard game).

    The COD formula still scratches a certain multiplayer shooter itch.
    Once a formula is successful at that level, changing that formula
    becomes a slippery slope. Too many changes, and the franchise can
    lose its core audience... with a franchise that successful, potential consequences are massive. This is why we never see much innovation in
    COD; experimenting with a successful product formula is risky
    regardless of product type.

    For those that do like mp shooters, sometimes relatively small changes
    (visual improvements, new gameplay modes, and perhaps most of all, and
    possibly the easiest to accomodate: new maps) are enough to retain
    interest and warrant a new purchase.

    For those not into the genre, changes like those won't seem
    substantial enough and it all feels like the same game.

    Personally I prefer more tactical games, but COD does have a certain twitch-dopamine vibe going which does not translate quite the same way
    to deeper, slower paced, more realistic tactical shooters. So if they
    wanted to innovate, a less risky course of action would be to
    introduce a spin-off franchise that doesn't threaten the COD brand and
    allows for some creative headroom to try new things and see what
    works.

    Not holding my breath though, because I can already envision some
    marketing douchebag in a conference room saying "but wait, if we
    release a new shooter it could cannibalize COD sales". And douchey as
    they may be, they might actually have a valid point in this case.

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