• Re: DIABLO III - Buyers Loathe It

    From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Trimble B on Tue Jun 6 10:22:30 2023
    On Tuesday, May 15, 2012 at 10:48:08 AM UTC-7, Trimble B wrote:
    DIABLO III - Buyers Loathe It ...it really is meeting with a a lot of disapproval.

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii/user-reviews

    The heavy online commitment /component & need to buy 'stuff'

    (is it single game player at all ?)

    will almost certainly will drive this Bunny from a purchase.

    Just bumping for the questions on why people didn't like D3.
    link is still good.

    - Justisaur

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to justisaur@gmail.com on Tue Jun 6 16:56:12 2023
    On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 10:22:30 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
    <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 15, 2012 at 10:48:08?AM UTC-7, Trimble B wrote:
    DIABLO III - Buyers Loathe It ...it really is meeting with a a lot of
    disapproval.

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii/user-reviews

    The heavy online commitment /component & need to buy 'stuff'

    (is it single game player at all ?)

    will almost certainly will drive this Bunny from a purchase.

    Just bumping for the questions on why people didn't like D3.
    link is still good.

    When looking at reviews, you need to remember that there are really
    two "Diablo III"s... the one we got on release, and the one that's
    available now.

    The game on release was... problematic. It didn't help that this
    iteration marked a significant change to the franchise's art style. A
    lot of fans of the original found the new style too colorful and gaudy
    and - in their ever-so delicate ways - made their distaste known.
    That, in and of itself, is not a bad thing, but Blizzard didn't help
    themselves with how they responded to the criticism (essentially, a
    "fuck you, this is how it's gonna be" to the long-time fans). That
    sort of set the tone for the whole release. "Diablo III", Blizzard
    insisted, was going to be different and they made it clear they didn't
    really care about any concerns people raised, whether it was about the
    art style or the real-world auction house.

    Which was problem #2 with the game. The real-money auction house was,
    perhaps, created from a desire to control some of the cheating and
    grinding that was rampant in "Diablo II", but it wasn't well
    implemented, gave an impression of profiteering on Blizzard's part,
    and demanded an always-on connection for the game... even if you just
    wanted to play the single-player campaign. And, again, Blizzard did
    themselves no favors with their response to any critiques of the
    feature: like it or lump it, they said; they weren't going to change.

    Fortunately, Blizzard eventually did lighten up on the subject and -
    after the console releases shipped without the controversial auction
    house - a patch removed it from the PC version. This won back a lot of
    favor from fans that Blizzard had earlier disregarded. That, combined
    with numerous game mechanic patches and with the passage of time have significantly transformed the game to the point that many can't
    understand why people may have been upset. Judged simply by the game
    itself, as it stands today, Diablo 3 is a significantly better
    experience for the player.

    Nonetheless, while the scars have healed somewhat, the Diablo
    franchise no longer has quite the cachet it once did, and I think
    that's largely due to D3's release shenanigans. It's hard to remember
    how much "Diablo" once dominated the loot-based ARPG genre. Games like "Torchlight" and "Titan Quest" were developed - and flourished -
    because so many true fans got pissed off at Blizzard and supported the alternatives instead.

    Even today, Activision/Blizzard can't shake the stain of how poorly
    they responded to customers (it doesn't help that they've
    foot-in-mouthed themselves repeatedly on innumerable other occasions
    on other topics over the last decade too). But it's earned the
    corporation a reputation of being more profit-oriented than interested
    in creating a game that customers want.

    Myself, I was never the biggest fan of the Diablo franchise, so - when
    Blizzard announced "Diablo 3" was going to be online-only - it was
    easy for me to give up on the game; I wasn't really interested in
    playing it anyway. Similarly, I've got nothing invested in "Diablo 4",
    so I'll pass on playing that one too. Activision's reputation - which
    started to sour with the whole Diablo 3 debacle, hasn't sweetened any
    since 2011, and the game hasn't become anymore appealing to me. So
    it's an easy decision to avoid their newest game.

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Wed Jun 7 08:58:53 2023
    On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 16:56:12 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    When looking at reviews, you need to remember that there are really
    two "Diablo III"s... the one we got on release, and the one that's
    available now.

    I thought I made the above point clear in my own post, but if I
    didn't, this is the most important thing in Spalls entire post.

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Wed Jun 7 13:47:50 2023
    On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 10:22:30 -0700 (PDT), in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, Justisaur wrote:

    On Tuesday, May 15, 2012 at 10:48:08?AM UTC-7, Trimble B wrote:
    DIABLO III - Buyers Loathe It ...it really is meeting with a a lot of
    disapproval.

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii/user-reviews

    The heavy online commitment /component & need to buy 'stuff'

    (is it single game player at all ?)

    will almost certainly will drive this Bunny from a purchase.

    Just bumping for the questions on why people didn't like D3.
    link is still good.

    One of my gamer friends reports that MTX is currently limited to
    cosmetics.

    --
    Zag

    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 7 15:36:54 2023
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:
    <snip>
    Myself, I was never the biggest fan of the Diablo franchise, so - when >Blizzard announced "Diablo 3" was going to be online-only - it was
    easy for me to give up on the game; I wasn't really interested in
    playing it anyway. Similarly, I've got nothing invested in "Diablo 4",
    so I'll pass on playing that one too. Activision's reputation - which
    started to sour with the whole Diablo 3 debacle, hasn't sweetened any
    since 2011, and the game hasn't become anymore appealing to me. So
    it's an easy decision to avoid their newest game.

    There was one more bad thing about Diablo3.

    They were posting Dev gameplay videos almost up to release and showed
    stuff that was not in the game.

    Having a gameplay video a long time from launch show things that got cut
    is one thing, posting a vid a couple weeks before release that shows
    skills that will not exist in the game - is fucking bait & switch.

    It's like Blizzard went out of their way to alienate their customers for
    a quick cash grab - the Activision influence.

    Xocyll
    --
    I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
    a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
    Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
    FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 10 11:11:47 2023
    On Wed, 07 Jun 2023 13:47:50 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:



    One of my gamer friends reports that MTX is currently limited to
    cosmetics.


    Right down to horse armor that doesn't do anything. Bethesda was
    really ahead of its time in 2006... except the horse armor in Oblivion
    was 1/4 of what Blizzard is charging. Although, in fairness to "Diablo
    4", you do get a horse for that price.

    And none of it inspires me to rush out and buy "Diablo 4".

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sat Jun 10 10:01:24 2023
    On 6/10/2023 8:11 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Jun 2023 13:47:50 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:



    One of my gamer friends reports that MTX is currently limited to
    cosmetics.


    Right down to horse armor that doesn't do anything. Bethesda was
    really ahead of its time in 2006... except the horse armor in Oblivion
    was 1/4 of what Blizzard is charging. Although, in fairness to "Diablo
    4", you do get a horse for that price.

    And none of it inspires me to rush out and buy "Diablo 4".

    Well, to be fair nothing really inspires you to rush out and _buy_ a
    game when you get so many for free. :P

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Sat Jun 10 13:37:06 2023
    On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 10:01:24 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 6/10/2023 8:11 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Jun 2023 13:47:50 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    One of my gamer friends reports that MTX is currently limited to
    cosmetics.

    Right down to horse armor that doesn't do anything. Bethesda was
    really ahead of its time in 2006... except the horse armor in Oblivion
    was 1/4 of what Blizzard is charging. Although, in fairness to "Diablo
    4", you do get a horse for that price.

    And none of it inspires me to rush out and buy "Diablo 4".

    Well, to be fair nothing really inspires you to rush out and _buy_ a
    game when you get so many for free. :P

    True. To some degree, I empathize with game developers; it's really,
    really hard to compete with free. I can - intellectually - understand
    the appeal of using MTX to bolster their bottom line. So what if it
    compromises your vision or worsens the developer's reputation; it
    keeps your company afloat.

    But on the other hand, I'm not against paying for quality products
    either. The vast majority of games in my library* are games I've
    purchased. I might grab a game that's free... but the ones I play? The
    ones that encourage me to buy the sequel, or another game from the
    same publisher? Those are the games for which I've laid down cold hard
    cash.

    In many ways, by making a game free? It encourages me to spend less...
    not because there are so many free games, but because those games
    aren't worth spending money on. Cosmetic MTX are boring, and
    game-effecting MTX only exist because the core gameplay sucks. The
    good games... I'll happily pay.

    So getting so many games for free only makes me want to avoid the
    freebies and actually buy the games that deserve it.




    * Excluding my Epic Games library, of course. Those are all freebies.
    But that's only a small percentage of my games, and most are
    duplicates of games I purchased on Steam/GOG/etc. anyway

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Mon Jun 12 08:58:29 2023
    On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 13:37:06 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    But on the other hand, I'm not against paying for quality products
    either.

    ^This, +1

    Horse armor is not a quality product. I don't understand why anyone pays
    money for it. But it must work for them; they must make money on it.

    --
    Zag

    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Mon Jun 12 09:47:06 2023
    On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:22:29 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 08:58:29 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 13:37:06 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    But on the other hand, I'm not against paying for quality products >>>either.

    ^This, +1

    Horse armor is not a quality product. I don't understand why anyone pays >>money for it. But it must work for them; they must make money on it.

    It's my fault.

    I paid for it.

    (the Bethesda version, I mean. Since I don't own Diablo IV, I can't
    get the Blizzard horse armor.)

    But my stupidity was what encouraged Bethesda - and thousands of other >developers - that cosmetic MTX was a good idea.

    I'm sorry. I'll try not to let it happen again.

    Buying Barding from Bethesda is Bad. Bummer.

    --
    Zag

    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 12 10:22:29 2023
    On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 08:58:29 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 13:37:06 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    But on the other hand, I'm not against paying for quality products
    either.

    ^This, +1

    Horse armor is not a quality product. I don't understand why anyone pays >money for it. But it must work for them; they must make money on it.

    It's my fault.

    I paid for it.

    (the Bethesda version, I mean. Since I don't own Diablo IV, I can't
    get the Blizzard horse armor.)

    But my stupidity was what encouraged Bethesda - and thousands of other developers - that cosmetic MTX was a good idea.

    I'm sorry. I'll try not to let it happen again.

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