• System Shock backer keys now available!

    From rms@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 30 09:33:55 2023
    You waited 8 years, and finally: System Shock GoG/Steam keys are out now
    for kickstarters!!
    https://system-shock.backerkit.com/backer/digital_rewards

    rms

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  • From rms@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 30 10:37:33 2023
    free Free FREE! https://www.gog.com/en/game/system_shock_goodie_pack

    rms

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to rsquiresMOO@MOOflashMOO.net on Tue May 30 13:50:40 2023
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:33:55 -0600, "rms"
    <rsquiresMOO@MOOflashMOO.net> wrote:

    You waited 8 years, and finally: System Shock GoG/Steam keys are out now
    for kickstarters!!
    https://system-shock.backerkit.com/backer/digital_rewards


    Having watched a video with 30minutes of gameplay the other day*, I'm
    more confident in my decision to wait on buying this one.

    I've never been shy about my opinions about the original "System
    Shock". As far as I was concerned, it was an okay game but hardly
    worth the praise heaped upon it. It was a clunky game even when
    released, and it really wasn't doing anything that Looking Glass
    hadn't already done before in the Ultima Underworld games. It was an
    upgraded version of those older games with a sci-fi skin and some
    terrific voice-acting on the part of Terri Brosius (who played
    Shodan). It wasn't bad, but worthy of a remake? Hell, as much as I
    adore "System Shock 2", I'm not even sure the original was worthy of a
    sequel.

    But a remake we got, regardless. And it's earnestly true to the
    original, which is its biggest fault. From everything I've seen, it is
    largely a massive graphical update with very little changed, and what
    has been altered beyond the visuals isn't very good.

    But the visuals themselves aren't particularly appealing either.
    Everything looks chunky; it's all in-your face, almost weirdly
    distorted in proportions. Some of this is probably the tight FOV but
    it's an ugly default. There's a glossy, almost wax-like sheen to
    everythign too, making it look like a game developed in the mid 2000s.
    I know the developers were trying to create a mix between old and new
    visuals, but the graphically game looks dated right out the door...
    and since that's the core of this update that's not a good start.

    The rest of the game hews closely to the original, and that's not a
    good thing in my opinion. The level design annoyed the hell out of me
    even back in 1994, and it seems to be recreated here without much
    alteration. There's more detail, but not in any useful way; the maps
    are still largely devoid of character or environmental storytelling.
    It seems such a waste of opportunity not to have recreated Citadel
    Station into something less labyrinthine and more realistic.

    The monsters look awful; the sprite-based creatures had a horrific
    vibe to them but the new ones look plasticine and cartoony. The first
    robot you encounter looks like Alpha5 from Power Rangers, and the rest
    aren't much better.

    The interface looks cluttered and distracting, lacking the clean
    distinction from the background as the original's. The gunplay is
    faster - one of the few improvements over the original game is better mouse/keyboard controls. You no longer need to press the 1 & 3 keys to
    look up and down!

    The worst part of the video is the introduction. The 1994 set up the
    game's plot with a 30-second FMV; a hacker gets caught, is offered a
    deal to avoid prosecution, and unwittingly unleashes a rogue AI onto
    the world. It's quick and to the point; it provides just enough
    information without spoiling any of the mystery. The remake's version
    is fully interactive; it's slow, it's ugly, and it doesn't add
    anything useful (and it spoils some of the mystery at the start of the
    game). It feels fanboyish and amateur.

    Despite the years it took to pull this project together, the whole
    thing feels slapdash and inexperienced. I'd have been more excited had
    they decided to fully modernize the game but this half-and-half
    approach just doesn't work with me.

    Being the hoarder^h^h^h^h^h collector that I am, eventually I'll
    probably acquire the game - and maybe even play it - but I doubt it
    will supercede the original in my eyes... and that's not a hard bar to
    cross.




    * specifically, this video:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybBREPkUB4o

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to rms on Tue May 30 22:05:35 2023
    "rms" <rsquiresMOO@MOOflashMOO.net> writes:

    You waited 8 years, and finally: System Shock GoG/Steam keys are out
    now for kickstarters!! https://system-shock.backerkit.com/backer/digital_rewards

    Wow, it went really differently than what they described in their
    updates. All that talk about "sending keys" and I had nada. But
    eventually I landed onto the right page and got my GoG code for the
    game.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to rms on Wed May 31 05:50:05 2023
    rms <rsquiresMOO@mooflashmoo.net> wrote:
    free Free FREE! https://www.gog.com/en/game/system_shock_goodie_pack

    Got it. Now, I need the game. ;)
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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 31 17:32:51 2023
    Well, the thing is, they delivered exactly what they promised a mild
    update on the original.
    They updated the cyberspace big time, which was semi broken in the
    original the rest was mostly kept intact but having a mild graphical
    update which kept the style of the original but removed a ton of
    outdated graphical designs. The sound design also was completely overhauled.

    Most of the fans and many reviewers are happy with what they got,
    because they were expecting exactly what they got.
    Most people unhappy come from the shooter crowd who never played the
    original and maybe part 2, but it is questionable that the original
    System Shock even is a shooter to begin with. Sure it had shooter
    elements but puzzles had a huge emphasis and the pacing is rather slow.
    I can remember that in the original you could turn off the shooter
    aspect entirely also you can emphasize on a different path of problem
    solution like hacking etc...

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Wed May 31 14:42:50 2023
    On Tue, 30 May 2023 13:50:40 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Being the hoarder^h^h^h^h^h collector that I am, eventually I'll
    probably acquire the game - and maybe even play it - but I doubt it
    will supercede the original in my eyes... and that's not a hard bar to
    cross.

    The graphics and sound seem fine to me. The controls are better. As
    long as it does not change much else from the original game, and as
    long as it is not a buggy mess, it will easily surpass the original
    for me. I want a remake, not a reboot. I think that is what I am going
    to be getting here.

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  • From rms@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 1 20:48:41 2023
    Interview with original devs: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/system-shock-the-oral-history-of-a-forward-thinking-pc-classic

    rms

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  • From Noman@21:1/5 to rms on Sat Jun 3 18:32:44 2023
    On 5/30/2023 8:33 AM, rms wrote:
    You waited 8 years, and finally:  System Shock GoG/Steam keys are out
    now for kickstarters!! https://system-shock.backerkit.com/backer/digital_rewards

    rms

    I bought it immediately on GoG and later found out it was originally on Kickstarter. I might have even backed it at the time. I'll have to check.

    In any case, it's a great remake. Original System Shock is among my
    top-20 games of all time. I played the original floppy disk version in
    1994. The immersion and overall environment were awesome then, as they
    are now with this remake. The graphics are done wonderfully well by
    recreating the feel of the original game (especially the textures) with
    modern lighting among other things. I think they could have improved the interface and added QOL features a bit more, but it's fine as is too.

    There was a great article in Eurogamer today. https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2023-the-system-shock-remake-is-excellent-and-nightdives-most-ambitious-work-yet

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    Noman

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