• FREE GAME: Death Stranding

    From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 18 11:18:16 2023
    Epic's kept this week's freebie under wraps, rather than announcing it
    ahead of time. That's rather annoying to me, since it means I have to
    wait until the game is actually available before I start writing these summaries. But you just know it means it's gonna be a really good
    game, right? So here it is: this week's free game from Epic is....


    * Death Stranding
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/death-stranding
    Wait... we already got this game. Well, it was on offer back in
    December 2022; whether you picked it up then or not was entirely up to
    you. But if you missed it the first time, here's another opportunity
    to grab it. I can't get all that excited about this game - Kojima's
    works are just to "Japanese Weird" for me to engage with - but it has
    its fans. It's undeniably unique though, and in an industry that is
    filled with cookie-cutter clones, it's worth picking up just for that
    reason alone. And sometimes weird is just what I'm in the mood for.


    So there you go. Was it worth the wait for you? Well, you have seven
    days to decide, and then we start the cycle anew.

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  • From rms@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 18 09:34:25 2023
    Wait... we already got this game.

    If by chance you *didn't* get this game before, consider buying the $5 director's cut upgrade https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/death-stranding-directors-cut--upgrade
    as well, as it includes desirable engine features.

    rms

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Thu May 18 14:20:46 2023
    On Thu, 18 May 2023 11:18:16 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    * Death Stranding
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/death-stranding
    Wait... we already got this game. Well, it was on offer back in
    December 2022; whether you picked it up then or not was entirely up to
    you. But if you missed it the first time, here's another opportunity
    to grab it. I can't get all that excited about this game - Kojima's
    works are just to "Japanese Weird" for me to engage with - but it has
    its fans. It's undeniably unique though, and in an industry that is
    filled with cookie-cutter clones, it's worth picking up just for that
    reason alone. And sometimes weird is just what I'm in the mood for.

    You are always on top of this. Thank you for that. And yes, I already
    had this one so I am guessing everyone here already has it.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri May 19 02:17:03 2023
    Epic is getting weak with these free games these days. :(


    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Epic's kept this week's freebie under wraps, rather than announcing it
    ahead of time. That's rather annoying to me, since it means I have to
    wait until the game is actually available before I start writing these summaries. But you just know it means it's gonna be a really good
    game, right? So here it is: this week's free game from Epic is....


    * Death Stranding
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/death-stranding
    Wait... we already got this game. Well, it was on offer back in
    December 2022; whether you picked it up then or not was entirely up to
    you. But if you missed it the first time, here's another opportunity
    to grab it. I can't get all that excited about this game - Kojima's
    works are just to "Japanese Weird" for me to engage with - but it has
    its fans. It's undeniably unique though, and in an industry that is
    filled with cookie-cutter clones, it's worth picking up just for that
    reason alone. And sometimes weird is just what I'm in the mood for.


    So there you go. Was it worth the wait for you? Well, you have seven
    days to decide, and then we start the cycle anew.



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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Mike S. on Fri May 19 02:18:50 2023
    Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 18 May 2023 11:18:16 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    * Death Stranding
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/death-stranding
    Wait... we already got this game. Well, it was on offer back in
    December 2022; whether you picked it up then or not was entirely up to
    you. But if you missed it the first time, here's another opportunity
    to grab it. I can't get all that excited about this game - Kojima's
    works are just to "Japanese Weird" for me to engage with - but it has
    its fans. It's undeniably unique though, and in an industry that is
    filled with cookie-cutter clones, it's worth picking up just for that >reason alone. And sometimes weird is just what I'm in the mood for.

    You are always on top of this. Thank you for that. And yes, I already
    had this one so I am guessing everyone here already has it.

    Ditto.
    --
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    down in Boston after a 1.75h nap. A somewhat slammy humpy day.
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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri May 19 10:42:29 2023
    On 18/05/2023 16:18, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    Epic's kept this week's freebie under wraps, rather than announcing it
    ahead of time. That's rather annoying to me, since it means I have to
    wait until the game is actually available before I start writing these summaries. But you just know it means it's gonna be a really good
    game, right? So here it is: this week's free game from Epic is....


    * Death Stranding
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/death-stranding
    Wait... we already got this game. Well, it was on offer back in
    December 2022; whether you picked it up then or not was entirely up to
    you. But if you missed it the first time, here's another opportunity
    to grab it. I can't get all that excited about this game - Kojima's
    works are just to "Japanese Weird" for me to engage with - but it has
    its fans. It's undeniably unique though, and in an industry that is
    filled with cookie-cutter clones, it's worth picking up just for that
    reason alone. And sometimes weird is just what I'm in the mood for.


    So there you go. Was it worth the wait for you? Well, you have seven
    days to decide, and then we start the cycle anew.



    Almost enough temptation to get an Epic account for this one but then I
    think if I did want it why is it not already in my Steam library?

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri May 19 08:45:24 2023
    On Fri, 19 May 2023 02:17:03 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    Epic is getting weak with these free games these days. :(

    In fairness to Epic, they are probably not seeing much benefit to the
    whole program anymore.

    The entire freebies program was designed to promote the Epic Games
    platform when it was new. Initially, it was a quick and easy way to
    get people to sign up for a free account and download the client.
    On-boarding customers is always the hardest part, but once the client
    is installed, they are exponentially more likely to buy things. After
    all, if you wanted to play your free games, you'd need to install the
    client first. It worked gangbusters too; Epic Games user count surged
    in its first few months thanks to the program, in a way no other
    client - not GOG, not EA Origin, not Ubisoft UPlay - managed.

    Epic was also facing another obstacle: Steam. There was a lot of
    resistance amongst PC gamers - almost all of whom already had an
    account with Steam - to transferring over to Epic. After all, the vast
    bulk of their gaming library was already on Steam, so why buy games on
    some other store? But with all those free games, people could quickly
    amass a library on Epic that rivaled their Steam library in size. This
    made it much more likely that - if you were going to start up a game -
    you'd be doing in through Epic's client instead of Valve's. And once
    you had the Epic client open, that raised the possibility of more
    sales.

    The constant weekly drip of games was also great advertising for Epic;
    it kept their name in the news, and couldn't help but give them a more
    positive reputation (something they struggled with in their initial
    years thanks to a bungled reading of how gamers would react to
    exclusives). Plus, to get those freebies, you'd have to scroll through
    the store*... which, again, made it a sale of a non-free game more
    likely.

    So the free-games program is all to Epic's good... except by this time
    most people who WANT an Epic account already have one, and their
    libraries are probably full to overflowing by this point too. The free marketing is always welcome... but does it justify the cost of the
    give-away program justify? Furthermore, all those freebies are
    probably cannibalizing actual sales at this point; no need to spend
    $60USD on "Death Stranding" when you already got it for free.

    On the other hand, killing the program would kill a lot of that
    hard-earned good will... which is why Epic is probably keeping it
    going. But I'm not at all surprised that the pickings have become a
    lot less desirable, with a lot of cheaper Indie games, freebies, or
    repeats in the mix. Why spend a bundle on offering a hot (and
    expensive) game like "Red Dead Redemption 2" when you'll get exactly
    the same response from your customers - at least in terms of
    engagement - by offering the much cheaper "EA Sims 4 Darling
    Lifestyles Pack"?


    TL;DR: I'm perfectly understanding of the decline in quality of Epic's offerings. It's reasonable and expected, and I'm happy to grab what
    they give until they finally can the program.

    ;-P






    * Unless somebody fed you the direct links to the free games on a
    weekly basis ;-)

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 19 10:06:27 2023
    On Thu, 18 May 2023 09:34:25 -0600, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, rms
    wrote:

    Wait... we already got this game.

    If by chance you *didn't* get this game before, consider buying the $5
    director's cut upgrade >https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/death-stranding-directors-cut--upgrade
    as well, as it includes desirable engine features.


    Can you elaborate on the engine improvements? I really don't want to
    spend any money in the Epic Store. I'd generally rather drop it all on a
    Steam purchase.

    I mean, I read the description, but I don't understand what it has to do
    with Cyberpunk 2077?

    But worth it is worth it, if it's worth it, and they have it on sale.

    So spill the tea, please.

    --
    Zag

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 19 11:42:34 2023
    On Fri, 19 May 2023 10:06:27 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Thu, 18 May 2023 09:34:25 -0600, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, rms >wrote:

    If by chance you *didn't* get this game before, consider buying the $5 >>director's cut upgrade >>https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/death-stranding-directors-cut--upgrade >>as well, as it includes desirable engine features.

    Can you elaborate on the engine improvements? I really don't want to
    spend any money in the Epic Store. I'd generally rather drop it all on a >Steam purchase.

    Judging by various reviews, it's technical additions seem to be the
    addition ultra-widescreen support and some optimizations that make the
    game run smoother and with less bugs. You get support for stuff like
    Intel XeSS (which is Intel's equivelant to Nvidia DLSS) and similar incidentals. All of which, honestly, should have been included in the
    base game and not locked behind a paywall but... that is the modern
    gaming industry, so whatchagonna do?

    Other than that, it's a lot of bonus content: new maps, new missions,
    new equipment (including a new vehicle), new abilities, new cosmetics.

    None of it is essential and while some of the equipment is helpful,
    some reviews felt the new equipment made the game easier than intended
    (others, on the other hand, thought they were welcome quality-of-life
    additions that should have been included from the start).

    IMHO, you might as well grab the game free on Epic and use it to demo
    the game. If it runs well for you, then you can probably don't need
    the director's cut optimizations, and can hold off on purchasing the
    upgrade until you play the base long enough to decide whether or not
    the bonus content is something you'd be interested in. At that point
    you can choose to buy it on Steam, Epic, or wherever.


    I mean, I read the description, but I don't understand what it has to do
    with Cyberpunk 2077?

    Dontcha know, the 'big thing' with games these days is crossovers,
    even if they don't make any sense and work contrary to the overall
    theme and aesthetic. Anything to make a quick buck and attract fans of
    game X to your own title. So, with "Death Stranding", you get various
    pieces of new equipment and cosmetics lifted from "Cyberpunk 2077"
    (e.g., a robot arm, sunglasses, holograms). Similarly, there are items
    added that originated in "Half Life: Alyx" and "Portal" (a gravity
    glove, Freeman's eyeglasses, a headcrab, etc.).

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri May 19 10:45:01 2023
    On Fri, 19 May 2023 11:42:34 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    I mean, I read the description, but I don't understand what it has to do >>with Cyberpunk 2077?

    Dontcha know, the 'big thing' with games these days is crossovers,
    even if they don't make any sense and work contrary to the overall
    theme and aesthetic. Anything to make a quick buck and attract fans of
    game X to your own title. So, with "Death Stranding", you get various
    pieces of new equipment and cosmetics lifted from "Cyberpunk 2077"
    (e.g., a robot arm, sunglasses, holograms). Similarly, there are items
    added that originated in "Half Life: Alyx" and "Portal" (a gravity
    glove, Freeman's eyeglasses, a headcrab, etc.).

    What The Actual...

    ...

    ...

    (*face palm*)

    --
    Zag

    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri May 19 19:26:40 2023
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 19 May 2023 02:17:03 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    Epic is getting weak with these free games these days. :(

    In fairness to Epic, they are probably not seeing much benefit to the
    whole program anymore.

    The entire freebies program was designed to promote the Epic Games
    platform when it was new. Initially, it was a quick and easy way to
    get people to sign up for a free account and download the client.
    On-boarding customers is always the hardest part, but once the client
    is installed, they are exponentially more likely to buy things. After
    all, if you wanted to play your free games, you'd need to install the
    client first. It worked gangbusters too; Epic Games user count surged
    in its first few months thanks to the program, in a way no other
    client - not GOG, not EA Origin, not Ubisoft UPlay - managed.

    Epic was also facing another obstacle: Steam. There was a lot of
    resistance amongst PC gamers - almost all of whom already had an
    account with Steam - to transferring over to Epic. After all, the vast
    bulk of their gaming library was already on Steam, so why buy games on
    some other store? But with all those free games, people could quickly
    amass a library on Epic that rivaled their Steam library in size. This
    made it much more likely that - if you were going to start up a game -
    you'd be doing in through Epic's client instead of Valve's. And once
    you had the Epic client open, that raised the possibility of more
    sales.

    The constant weekly drip of games was also great advertising for Epic;
    it kept their name in the news, and couldn't help but give them a more positive reputation (something they struggled with in their initial
    years thanks to a bungled reading of how gamers would react to
    exclusives). Plus, to get those freebies, you'd have to scroll through
    the store*... which, again, made it a sale of a non-free game more
    likely.

    So the free-games program is all to Epic's good... except by this time
    most people who WANT an Epic account already have one, and their
    libraries are probably full to overflowing by this point too. The free marketing is always welcome... but does it justify the cost of the
    give-away program justify? Furthermore, all those freebies are
    probably cannibalizing actual sales at this point; no need to spend
    $60USD on "Death Stranding" when you already got it for free.

    On the other hand, killing the program would kill a lot of that
    hard-earned good will... which is why Epic is probably keeping it
    going. But I'm not at all surprised that the pickings have become a
    lot less desirable, with a lot of cheaper Indie games, freebies, or
    repeats in the mix. Why spend a bundle on offering a hot (and
    expensive) game like "Red Dead Redemption 2" when you'll get exactly
    the same response from your customers - at least in terms of
    engagement - by offering the much cheaper "EA Sims 4 Darling
    Lifestyles Pack"?


    TL;DR: I'm perfectly understanding of the decline in quality of Epic's offerings. It's reasonable and expected, and I'm happy to grab what
    they give until they finally can the program.

    ;-P

    * Unless somebody fed you the direct links to the free games on a
    weekly basis ;-)

    Oh gosh. I hope they don't kill their online services. All of our games!
    :( Unless they want to move them to Steam like Bethesda did. Maybe Epic
    should stop doing weekly Thursdays and just do once a month? I hope
    their Christmas season's offers will still happen and be good even if
    they're repeats like in the past.
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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat May 20 09:49:23 2023
    On Fri, 19 May 2023 19:26:40 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 19 May 2023 02:17:03 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    Epic is getting weak with these free games these days. :(

    In fairness to Epic, they are probably not seeing much benefit to the
    whole program anymore.
    <snip>
    TL;DR: I'm perfectly understanding of the decline in quality of Epic's
    offerings. It's reasonable and expected, and I'm happy to grab what
    they give until they finally can the program.


    Oh gosh. I hope they don't kill their online services. All of our games!
    :( Unless they want to move them to Steam like Bethesda did. Maybe Epic >should stop doing weekly Thursdays and just do once a month? I hope
    their Christmas season's offers will still happen and be good even if
    they're repeats like in the past.

    It's not likely that Epic is going to kill the Epic Games Store. They
    went into knowing it was a long-term investment; reports (admittedly
    from last year) said they didn't expect to see any profit from it
    until 2027(!). Whatever you think of their tactics, the company has
    made a great start of things, accumulating one of the larger customer
    bases in record time, and getting their name out there to the general
    populace. The attraction of all that 'free money' from running a store
    is to great to ignore too.

    Thanks to Fortnite, Unreal-engine licensing and their increasingly
    lucrative forays into Hollywood SFX, Epic has a huge warchest to fund
    their Epic Game Store that will fund the project until it reaches profitability. Still, even if they have cash to burn, that doesn't
    mean they HAVE to take a match to it, and I'm sure Epic is looking at
    ways to reduce expenditures.

    Will the freebies get the cut? I've no idea, but I wouldn't be
    surprised. The biggest disadvantage would be the blowback from
    entitled customers who have grown used to the freebies, but even this
    can be massaged with some clever marketing. Personally, I think the
    reason the offerings recently have been so poor is BECAUSE Epic is
    trying to make people less excited about the program, so that when it inevitably is stopped, it's not seen as big a loss.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sat May 20 08:37:28 2023
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:51:41 AM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Fri, 19 May 2023 19:26:40 +0000, a...@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 19 May 2023 02:17:03 +0000, a...@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

    Epic is getting weak with these free games these days. :(

    In fairness to Epic, they are probably not seeing much benefit to the
    whole program anymore.
    <snip>
    TL;DR: I'm perfectly understanding of the decline in quality of Epic's
    offerings. It's reasonable and expected, and I'm happy to grab what
    they give until they finally can the program.
    Oh gosh. I hope they don't kill their online services. All of our games! >:( Unless they want to move them to Steam like Bethesda did. Maybe Epic >should stop doing weekly Thursdays and just do once a month? I hope
    their Christmas season's offers will still happen and be good even if >they're repeats like in the past.
    It's not likely that Epic is going to kill the Epic Games Store. They
    went into knowing it was a long-term investment; reports (admittedly
    from last year) said they didn't expect to see any profit from it
    until 2027(!). Whatever you think of their tactics, the company has
    made a great start of things

    Except their client is still ass, finding anything even among all the free games is near impossible. They still have trouble with their servers
    when anything remotely decent is on their free giveaways too.

    - Justisaur

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Zaghadka on Sat May 20 08:40:14 2023
    On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:45:05 AM UTC-7, Zaghadka wrote:
    On Fri, 19 May 2023 11:42:34 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    I mean, I read the description, but I don't understand what it has to do >>with Cyberpunk 2077?

    Dontcha know, the 'big thing' with games these days is crossovers,
    even if they don't make any sense and work contrary to the overall
    theme and aesthetic. Anything to make a quick buck and attract fans of >game X to your own title. So, with "Death Stranding", you get various >pieces of new equipment and cosmetics lifted from "Cyberpunk 2077"
    (e.g., a robot arm, sunglasses, holograms). Similarly, there are items >added that originated in "Half Life: Alyx" and "Portal" (a gravity
    glove, Freeman's eyeglasses, a headcrab, etc.).
    What The Actual...

    ...

    ...

    (*face palm*)

    Same Epic is making their money from with Fortnight, micro-transaction cosmetics from every franchise possible. I agree with the *face palm*.

    - Justisaur

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