So, it's Spring and that means its time to think about a new PC. The
old beast is still fairly capable, but the writing is on the wall, and piecemeal upgrades aren't going to cut it anymore. Time for an
entirely new machine, I think. So I've started figuring out what I
want from the new PC, picking and choosing all the components, and one
thing has jumped out at me:
PC hardware prices are insanely high. I mean, sure, everything has
gone up in price but everything seems so much more expensive than I
expected it to be. Of course, it's been a while since I started from
scratch and admittedly, my expectations were based on what I paid last
time I built a new PC... but wow, this things is gonna be expensive.
Of course, I could build a less expensive machine, but I always prefer
to overbuild; that way I get maximum lifespan from my PCs (especially
if I incrementally upgrade over the years). You buy cheap, you're
gonna end up having to buy a new PC in only a year or two because your
rig is already out-of-date by the time you get it. I'd like to be able
to boast that my PC is "high-end" for at least a year. ;-)
But I may have to dig deeper into my savings than I expected.
On 4/17/2023 6:39 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
So, it's Spring and that means its time to think about a new PC. The
old beast is still fairly capable, but the writing is on the wall, and piecemeal upgrades aren't going to cut it anymore. Time for an
entirely new machine, I think. So I've started figuring out what I
want from the new PC, picking and choosing all the components, and one thing has jumped out at me:
PC hardware prices are insanely high. I mean, sure, everything has
gone up in price but everything seems so much more expensive than I expected it to be. Of course, it's been a while since I started from scratch and admittedly, my expectations were based on what I paid last
time I built a new PC... but wow, this things is gonna be expensive.
Of course, I could build a less expensive machine, but I always prefer
to overbuild; that way I get maximum lifespan from my PCs (especially
if I incrementally upgrade over the years). You buy cheap, you're
gonna end up having to buy a new PC in only a year or two because your
rig is already out-of-date by the time you get it. I'd like to be able
to boast that my PC is "high-end" for at least a year. ;-)
But I may have to dig deeper into my savings than I expected.
The issues with the world wide web of supply chains combined with the
very restricted number of sources for some critical components are
largely responsible. Combined with the general bout of corporate greedflation.
So, it's Spring and that means its time to think about a new PC. The
old beast is still fairly capable, but the writing is on the wall, and piecemeal upgrades aren't going to cut it anymore. Time for an
entirely new machine, I think. So I've started figuring out what I
want from the new PC, picking and choosing all the components, and one
thing has jumped out at me:
PC hardware prices are insanely high. I mean, sure, everything has
gone up in price but everything seems so much more expensive than I
expected it to be. Of course, it's been a while since I started from
scratch and admittedly, my expectations were based on what I paid last
time I built a new PC... but wow, this things is gonna be expensive.
Of course, I could build a less expensive machine, but I always prefer
to overbuild; that way I get maximum lifespan from my PCs (especially
if I incrementally upgrade over the years). You buy cheap, you're
gonna end up having to buy a new PC in only a year or two because your
rig is already out-of-date by the time you get it. I'd like to be able
to boast that my PC is "high-end" for at least a year. ;-)
But I may have to dig deeper into my savings than I expected.
So, it's Spring and that means its time to think about a new PC. The
old beast is still fairly capable, but the writing is on the wall, and >piecemeal upgrades aren't going to cut it anymore. Time for an
entirely new machine, I think. So I've started figuring out what I
want from the new PC, picking and choosing all the components, and one
thing has jumped out at me:
PC hardware prices are insanely high. I mean, sure, everything has
gone up in price but everything seems so much more expensive than I
expected it to be. Of course, it's been a while since I started from
scratch and admittedly, my expectations were based on what I paid last
time I built a new PC... but wow, this things is gonna be expensive.
Of course, I could build a less expensive machine, but I always prefer
to overbuild; that way I get maximum lifespan from my PCs (especially
if I incrementally upgrade over the years). You buy cheap, you're
gonna end up having to buy a new PC in only a year or two because your
rig is already out-of-date by the time you get it. I'd like to be able
to boast that my PC is "high-end" for at least a year. ;-)
But I may have to dig deeper into my savings than I expected.
At least they've come down a bit since the last year or two. I paid
a premium (+50%?) over MSRP on my video card last year, just so I could
play Elden Ring at higher than 600x800.
PC hardware prices are insanely high. I mean, sure, everything has
gone up in price but everything seems so much more expensive than I
expected it to be. Of course, it's been a while since I started from
scratch and admittedly, my expectations were based on what I paid last
time I built a new PC... but wow, this things is gonna be expensive.
Of course, I could build a less expensive machine, but I always prefer
to overbuild; that way I get maximum lifespan from my PCs (especially
if I incrementally upgrade over the years). You buy cheap, you're
gonna end up having to buy a new PC in only a year or two because your
rig is already out-of-date by the time you get it. I'd like to be able
to boast that my PC is "high-end" for at least a year. ;-)
PC hardware prices are insanely high. I mean, sure, everything has
gone up in price but everything seems so much more expensive than I
expected it to be. Of course, it's been a while since I started from
scratch and admittedly, my expectations were based on what I paid last
time I built a new PC... but wow, this things is gonna be expensive.
Justisaur <just...@gmail.com> wrote:
...
At least they've come down a bit since the last year or two. I paid600x800!?!? Don't yuou mean 800x600? That's not even SVGA. LOL!
a premium (+50%?) over MSRP on my video card last year, just so I could play Elden Ring at higher than 600x800.
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 09:39:45 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
[snip]
PC hardware prices are insanely high. I mean, sure, everything has
gone up in price but everything seems so much more expensive than I >expected it to be. Of course, it's been a while since I started from >scratch and admittedly, my expectations were based on what I paid last >time I built a new PC... but wow, this things is gonna be expensive.
[snip]
I see all sorts of articles about how desktop sales are plummeting. Laws
of supply and demand should kick in, though it seemingly won't affect
Nvidia so consider ATI and maybe the whole build will come in reasonable
in 6 months or so. Or lower your Nvidia expectations.
Nvidia is becoming a boutique hardware maker at this point for gaming.
They seem interested in AI parallel processing more than anything else. Crypto gave them a taste of what raw processing power applications can do for them and they aren't going back. They believe their stuff is worth
what they're charging, which means an xx70 card is now going to be $1k. I got my 1080 GTX for $600. Those days are over. The price just doubled.
That said, a 3060 Ti card is doing me a treat rn, because like Rin I game
at 1080. It set me back $370. I don't see any point in 4k, or even 1440,
at all. When I frame limit the thing to 75, it barely breaks a sweat in
most games.
Most newer games aren't really made for lower resolution now too though
and can look pretty bad when you run lower, so there's that too.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/17/2023 6:39 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
But I may have to dig deeper into my savings than I expected.
The issues with the world wide web of supply chains combined with the
very restricted number of sources for some critical components are
largely responsible. Combined with the general bout of corporate
greedflation.
I'm glad I don't game much as I used to. I just play older games and
wait for freebies. ;) I also got an used GeForce 9800 GTX for $100, but
it didn't work in two of my PCs. So, I have to keep using my old 750 GT >again. :(
The issues with the world wide web of supply chains combined with the
very restricted number of sources for some critical components are
largely responsible. Combined with the general bout of corporate greedflation.
Oh, I know the reasons; I'm just surprised by how expensive things
have gotten.
My current rig is actually still viable, but it lacks TPM 2 [...]
Well, TPM 2 doesn't get you anything except the ability to install
Windows 11 without registry hacks.
So mid-range isn't really mid-range any more if you lower your
expectation level to current needs. There is no real reason to have a
top-end rig at this point.
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 09:39:45 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
[snip]
PC hardware prices are insanely high. I mean, sure, everything has[snip]
gone up in price but everything seems so much more expensive than I >>expected it to be. Of course, it's been a while since I started from >>scratch and admittedly, my expectations were based on what I paid last
time I built a new PC... but wow, this things is gonna be expensive.
I see all sorts of articles about how desktop sales are plummeting. Laws
of supply and demand should kick in, though it seemingly won't affect
Nvidia so consider ATI and maybe the whole build will come in reasonable
in 6 months or so. Or lower your Nvidia expectations.
Nvidia is becoming a boutique hardware maker at this point for gaming.
They seem interested in AI parallel processing more than anything else. >Crypto gave them a taste of what raw processing power applications can do
for them and they aren't going back. They believe their stuff is worth
what they're charging, which means an xx70 card is now going to be $1k. I
got my 1080 GTX for $600. Those days are over. The price just doubled.
That said, a 3060 Ti card is doing me a treat rn, because like Rin I game
at 1080. It set me back $370. I don't see any point in 4k, or even 1440,
at all. When I frame limit the thing to 75, it barely breaks a sweat in
most games.
So mid-range isn't really mid-range any more if you lower your
expectation level to current needs. There is no real reason to have a
top-end rig at this point.
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 08:43:09 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 09:39:45 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
[snip]
PC hardware prices are insanely high. I mean, sure, everything has[snip]
gone up in price but everything seems so much more expensive than I
expected it to be. Of course, it's been a while since I started from
scratch and admittedly, my expectations were based on what I paid last
time I built a new PC... but wow, this things is gonna be expensive.
I see all sorts of articles about how desktop sales are plummeting. Laws
of supply and demand should kick in, though it seemingly won't affect
Nvidia so consider ATI and maybe the whole build will come in reasonable
in 6 months or so. Or lower your Nvidia expectations.
Nvidia is becoming a boutique hardware maker at this point for gaming.
They seem interested in AI parallel processing more than anything else.
Crypto gave them a taste of what raw processing power applications can do
for them and they aren't going back. They believe their stuff is worth
what they're charging, which means an xx70 card is now going to be $1k. I
got my 1080 GTX for $600. Those days are over. The price just doubled.
That said, a 3060 Ti card is doing me a treat rn, because like Rin I game
at 1080. It set me back $370. I don't see any point in 4k, or even 1440,
at all. When I frame limit the thing to 75, it barely breaks a sweat in
most games.
So mid-range isn't really mid-range any more if you lower your
expectation level to current needs. There is no real reason to have a
top-end rig at this point.
All the more since streaming is becoming an increasing viable option,
and even a very low-end PC is more than capable of streaming
HD-quality games these days.
(there's still a problem of input lag but even the fastest PC suffers
from that)
Still, as I tend to keep my PCs for decades (and keep their components
even longer, as evidenced by my recent Win98 PC rebuild ;-) I still
prefer to buy 'more than I need'. It's generally cheaper than buying a
new mid-range PC every three or five years, and this way I get to stay
at "uber ultra hahahah I can run Crysis on this thing!" settings for
way longer than otherwise. Could I run games at highest settings on a
cheaper PC? Sure. But would I still be able to do so on that same PC
five years down the line? Far less likely.
Plus, you know, PC Master Race membership requires an obnoxiously
powerful computer or they don't stamp your membership card. ;-)
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 08:43:09 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 09:39:45 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
[snip]
PC hardware prices are insanely high. I mean, sure, everything has[snip]
gone up in price but everything seems so much more expensive than I >>>expected it to be. Of course, it's been a while since I started from >>>scratch and admittedly, my expectations were based on what I paid last >>>time I built a new PC... but wow, this things is gonna be expensive.
I see all sorts of articles about how desktop sales are plummeting. Laws
of supply and demand should kick in, though it seemingly won't affect >>Nvidia so consider ATI and maybe the whole build will come in reasonable
in 6 months or so. Or lower your Nvidia expectations.
Nvidia is becoming a boutique hardware maker at this point for gaming.
They seem interested in AI parallel processing more than anything else. >>Crypto gave them a taste of what raw processing power applications can do >>for them and they aren't going back. They believe their stuff is worth
what they're charging, which means an xx70 card is now going to be $1k. I >>got my 1080 GTX for $600. Those days are over. The price just doubled.
That said, a 3060 Ti card is doing me a treat rn, because like Rin I game >>at 1080. It set me back $370. I don't see any point in 4k, or even 1440,
at all. When I frame limit the thing to 75, it barely breaks a sweat in >>most games.
So mid-range isn't really mid-range any more if you lower your
expectation level to current needs. There is no real reason to have a >>top-end rig at this point.
All the more since streaming is becoming an increasing viable option,
and even a very low-end PC is more than capable of streaming
HD-quality games these days.
(there's still a problem of input lag but even the fastest PC suffers
from that)
Still, as I tend to keep my PCs for decades (and keep their components
even longer, as evidenced by my recent Win98 PC rebuild ;-) I still
prefer to buy 'more than I need'. It's generally cheaper than buying a
new mid-range PC every three or five years, and this way I get to stay
at "uber ultra hahahah I can run Crysis on this thing!" settings for
way longer than otherwise. Could I run games at highest settings on a
cheaper PC? Sure. But would I still be able to do so on that same PC
five years down the line? Far less likely.
Plus, you know, PC Master Race membership requires an obnoxiously
powerful computer or they don't stamp your membership card. ;-)
On 22/04/2023 15:26, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 08:43:09 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 09:39:45 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
[snip]
PC hardware prices are insanely high. I mean, sure, everything has[snip]
gone up in price but everything seems so much more expensive than I
expected it to be. Of course, it's been a while since I started from
scratch and admittedly, my expectations were based on what I paid last >>>> time I built a new PC... but wow, this things is gonna be expensive.
I see all sorts of articles about how desktop sales are plummeting. Laws >>> of supply and demand should kick in, though it seemingly won't affect
Nvidia so consider ATI and maybe the whole build will come in reasonable >>> in 6 months or so. Or lower your Nvidia expectations.
Nvidia is becoming a boutique hardware maker at this point for gaming.
They seem interested in AI parallel processing more than anything else.
Crypto gave them a taste of what raw processing power applications can do >>> for them and they aren't going back. They believe their stuff is worth
what they're charging, which means an xx70 card is now going to be $1k. I >>> got my 1080 GTX for $600. Those days are over. The price just doubled.
That said, a 3060 Ti card is doing me a treat rn, because like Rin I game >>> at 1080. It set me back $370. I don't see any point in 4k, or even 1440, >>> at all. When I frame limit the thing to 75, it barely breaks a sweat in
most games.
So mid-range isn't really mid-range any more if you lower your
expectation level to current needs. There is no real reason to have a
top-end rig at this point.
All the more since streaming is becoming an increasing viable option,
and even a very low-end PC is more than capable of streaming
HD-quality games these days.
(there's still a problem of input lag but even the fastest PC suffers
from that)
Still, as I tend to keep my PCs for decades (and keep their components
even longer, as evidenced by my recent Win98 PC rebuild ;-) I still
prefer to buy 'more than I need'. It's generally cheaper than buying a
new mid-range PC every three or five years, and this way I get to stay
at "uber ultra hahahah I can run Crysis on this thing!" settings for
way longer than otherwise. Could I run games at highest settings on a
cheaper PC? Sure. But would I still be able to do so on that same PC
five years down the line? Far less likely.
Plus, you know, PC Master Race membership requires an obnoxiously
powerful computer or they don't stamp your membership card. ;-)
The part that worries me, well sorta anyway, is the prices are just
becoming so silly that you wonder just how many people there are around
that are going to pay that additional money instead of thinking I'll
just get a console instead, thinking about it I'll get two just because
I can.
£1000+ for a MB, what on earth does that really give you?
The $1000 motherboards are only for a tiny few: those who actually
HAVE use for all those high-end features (almost nobody), those who
have more money than sense, and those who are hoping to keep using
that motherboard twenty years down the line when its overpriced
features are the new standard.
On 24/04/2023 20:15, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
The $1000 motherboards are only for a tiny few: those who actually
HAVE use for all those high-end features (almost nobody), those who
have more money than sense, and those who are hoping to keep using
that motherboard twenty years down the line when its overpriced
features are the new standard.
The MB comment was just an example of me thinking WTF when looking at
the price of high end PC components. I just find it hard to understand
what goes through someone's mind buying one and somehow thinking it was
the right choice to make. Now obviously there has to be some sort of
market for it but even if I had a lot more cash my mindset of you're
just taking the piss with prices like that would kick in.
On 4/25/2023 3:14 AM, JAB wrote:
On 24/04/2023 20:15, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:There is a simple three word explanation.
The $1000 motherboards are only for a tiny few: those who actually
HAVE use for all those high-end features (almost nobody), those who
have more money than sense, and those who are hoping to keep using
that motherboard twenty years down the line when its overpriced
features are the new standard.
The MB comment was just an example of me thinking WTF when looking at
the price of high end PC components. I just find it hard to understand
what goes through someone's mind buying one and somehow thinking it
was the right choice to make. Now obviously there has to be some sort
of market for it but even if I had a lot more cash my mindset of
you're just taking the piss with prices like that would kick in.
"People are stupid."
Explains a lot of things.
I did try and insert the "people are stupid" issue but even then I still >couldn't get my head around it! If you take something like a GPU I can
see why someone may think £1,500+ is worth spending as you're getting >something tangible in performance even if I'm not sure it makes that
much difference in reality. With a MB, I just don't get it.
I did try and insert the "people are stupid" issue but even then I
still couldn't get my head around it! If you take something like a GPU
I can see why someone may think £1,500+ is worth spending as you're
getting something tangible in performance even if I'm not sure it
makes that much difference in reality. With a MB, I just don't get it.
JAB <noway@nochance.com> writes:
I did try and insert the "people are stupid" issue but even then I
still couldn't get my head around it! If you take something like a GPU
I can see why someone may think £1,500+ is worth spending as you're
getting something tangible in performance even if I'm not sure it
makes that much difference in reality. With a MB, I just don't get it.
Yes. And yet, those motherboards are in stock (looking at an ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR X670E EXTREME E-ATX) and they sometimes sell too, a local
store shows they sold one back in December 2022. It retails for 1271.99
euros here. I wonder if people really buy these for game systems. But it
has RGB stuff so not really a workstation board...
Some things I like, for example that motherboard has five slots for m.2
SSDs. Now that I have two slots and 2 TB SSDs are getting cheap it seems
like a third slot would be nice. But the other stuff, a 10 gigabit
ethernet port and about a dozen fast USB ports? Really not my thing, I typically use two.
I'm not crazy about the case, partly because it features a large glass
window in the size (the biggest disadvantage of buying from boutiques
is that almost none of them offer cases that aren't overly flashy and
blinged out). I've tried to minimize the number of LED components
within but if worse comes to worse, I'll just find a big piece of
black construction paper to hide all that obnoxiousness.
Ultimately, I decided on a 13th gen i9-13900K. I've love for AMD CPUs,
but Intel chips always seem to be a bit less problematic, and the
performance and price differences were minimal enough that it really
was a toss-up between the two. But if Threadripper fans want to tell
me how wrong I was, I'm not sure I could argue my case against them.
The motherboard is an ASUS (alas, not one of the $1000 models
discussed elsewhere) which, while capable, isn't particularly
impressive or feature rich. ASUS has gotten a bad rap in this channel
and it may be it is deserved, but I've had good experiences with them
in the past, so we'll see.
For no particular reason except nostalgia, I've also thrown in a
discrete Soundblaster audio card. Onboard audio is more than capable
these days, and arguably this was a waste of money, but it just
doesn't feel right to build a gaming PC without a discrete sound card.
I'm not crazy about the case, partly because it features a large glass
window in the size (the biggest disadvantage of buying from boutiques
is that almost none of them offer cases that aren't overly flashy and
blinged out). I've tried to minimize the number of LED components
within but if worse comes to worse, I'll just find a big piece of
black construction paper to hide all that obnoxiousness. Another
problem is the front-panel lacks external drive bays, and there's only
a couple of USB ports. Apparently connectivity isn't an issue for most >gamers? I figure I'll just throw in an external USB 3.0 hub and call
it a day.
Similarly, I'm stuck with a liquid all-in-one cooler, which I'm not a
fan of (I much prefer air-coolers). But options were, again, limited
and anyway, I'm not really sure an air-cooler would be up to the task.
I'm sure the liquid cooler is fine; I'm just more comfortable with
old-school heatsink/fans.
The Ryzen 7 7800X3D is AMD's gaming champion right now. It trades
slightly slower clocks for a massive increase in the L3 cache, which many games can benefit from. It consiently beats the Core i9-I3900K in game benchmarks, but tends not to perform as well with other applications.
However your concern about problem with AMDs processors proved to be justified in this case, as 7000X3D CPUs have been frying themselves, destroying both the CPU and motherboard in the process.
On that same note, when your new PC arrives, make sure your Samsung SSDs
have the latest firmware. They've had issues with bad firmware causing
to irreversable premature aging of the drives.
I never understood why people want so many USB ports. I don't think
I've ever used more than 4 USB ports at once. But the case I went with,
a Fractal Define 7, has plenty of front panel USB ports: two USB 2, two
USB 3 and one a USB-C port. It's basically a unicorn of modern cases
right now. All the features you'd expect from a modern case, but with
a 5.25" external drive bay, and the option of having no glass panels.
There are plenty of air-coolers that are capable of cooling your CPU, but
a good all-in-one cooler should perform better if you're overclocking or
your room temperature isn't 22C. What concerns me about them is how well >they'll hold up over time. I kinda expect my PC parts to last decades,
but I'd be concerned about the plastic tubing degrading. If the pump
breaks down the whole thing is garbage, but if the fan on a tower cooler >fails then it's simple and cheap to replace.
Like I said, AMD chips have some impressive specs but the technical
issues are... annoying. Not insurmountable, but - as much as I want to
be an AMD fanboy - Intel is just less hassle.
Between the external drives, scanner, tablet, mouse, keyboard,
joystick, and various other peripherals, I manage to put almost all my
USB ports to use. What can I say; I have a lot of hardware that needs
to be plugged in.
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:
Like I said, AMD chips have some impressive specs but the technical
issues are... annoying. Not insurmountable, but - as much as I want to
be an AMD fanboy - Intel is just less hassle.
Do you want to expand on what you mean by the hassle? I don't
particularly like hassles but going with AMD recently wasn't one for me.
Regarding sound cards, I really liked it when spdif/toslink reduced that
to a serial port of sorts. So now (and for over two decades) it's just
"plug in the toslink", to the motherboard.
Regarding sound cards, I really liked it when spdif/toslink reduced that
to a serial port of sorts. So now (and for over two decades) it's just
"plug in the toslink", to the motherboard.
So, it's Spring and that means its time to think about a new PC. The
old beast is still fairly capable, but the writing is on the wall, and piecemeal upgrades aren't going to cut it anymore. Time for an
entirely new machine, I think. So I've started figuring out what I
want from the new PC, picking and choosing all the components, and one
thing has jumped out at me:
PC hardware prices are insanely high. I mean, sure, everything has
gone up in price but everything seems so much more expensive than I
expected it to be. Of course, it's been a while since I started from
scratch and admittedly, my expectations were based on what I paid last
time I built a new PC... but wow, this things is gonna be expensive.
Of course, I could build a less expensive machine, but I always prefer
to overbuild; that way I get maximum lifespan from my PCs (especially
if I incrementally upgrade over the years). You buy cheap, you're
gonna end up having to buy a new PC in only a year or two because your
rig is already out-of-date by the time you get it. I'd like to be able
to boast that my PC is "high-end" for at least a year. ;-)
But I may have to dig deeper into my savings than I expected.
On 17/04/2023 14:39, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
So, it's Spring and that means its time to think about a new PC. The
old beast is still fairly capable, but the writing is on the wall, and
piecemeal upgrades aren't going to cut it anymore. Time for an
entirely new machine, I think. So I've started figuring out what I
want from the new PC, picking and choosing all the components, and one
thing has jumped out at me:
PC hardware prices are insanely high. I mean, sure, everything has
gone up in price but everything seems so much more expensive than I
expected it to be. Of course, it's been a while since I started from
scratch and admittedly, my expectations were based on what I paid last
time I built a new PC... but wow, this things is gonna be expensive.
Of course, I could build a less expensive machine, but I always prefer
to overbuild; that way I get maximum lifespan from my PCs (especially
if I incrementally upgrade over the years). You buy cheap, you're
gonna end up having to buy a new PC in only a year or two because your
rig is already out-of-date by the time you get it. I'd like to be able
to boast that my PC is "high-end" for at least a year. ;-)
But I may have to dig deeper into my savings than I expected.
Going off at a slight tangent, I thought you might like this: https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/28/bofh_2023_episode_8/
On 4/28/2023 11:00 AM, Geoff May wrote:
Going off at a slight tangent, I thought you might like this:I sense Spalls feeling a tug as the tractor beam turns on....
https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/28/bofh_2023_episode_8/
Then again... the BOFH did say he had an Apple Lisa... does anybody
have his phone number?
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
Then again... the BOFH did say he had an Apple Lisa... does anybody
have his phone number?
It was the Tandy Model 100 that got my attention. The Apple Lisa was a >failed first attempt at the Macintosh, but the Model 100 was the first
really practical laptop even if only journalists bought it.
On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 17:07:03 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
(Ross Ridge) wrote:
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
Then again... the BOFH did say he had an Apple Lisa... does anybody
have his phone number?
It was the Tandy Model 100 that got my attention. The Apple Lisa was a
failed first attempt at the Macintosh, but the Model 100 was the first
really practical laptop even if only journalists bought it.
<pedant mode> Actually, it was a "TRS-80 Model" 100 mentioned in the article.</pedant mode>
(yes, I know they're the same, but pedant mode demands accuracy ;-)
On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 08:50:01 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 4/30/2023 7:12 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
<pedant mode> Actually, it was a "TRS-80 Model" 100 mentioned in theAnd provides an excuse for another lecture. :P
article.</pedant mode>
(yes, I know they're the same, but pedant mode demands accuracy ;-)
Like I need an excuse. ;-)
And please... lecture? A lecture is given for the purpose of
instruction. My comments are more along the line of random and overly
wordy drivel. They're aimless meanderings; contentless word-salads
pushed by a need to 'drive up engagement' on Usenet.
On 4/30/2023 7:12 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
<pedant mode> Actually, it was a "TRS-80 Model" 100 mentioned in theAnd provides an excuse for another lecture. :P
article.</pedant mode>
(yes, I know they're the same, but pedant mode demands accuracy ;-)
Now, the Apple Lisa... sure, it was overly complicated and a
commercial flop. But it led to the Apple Macintosh, and it's rare, and
I've never seen one, much less used one. It was actually a usable
computer too. All good reasons to prefer it over the Model 100.
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