What are the best crpg's of all time? The brain answered, my question
was "highly subjective" and was a matter of "personal preference"
But it did answer
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Planescape: Torment
Fallout 2
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Divinity: Original Sin II
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Mass Effect 2
Chrono Trigger
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
Ultima VII: The Black Gate
What are the best crpg's of all time? The brain answered, my question
was "highly subjective" and was a matter of "personal preference"
But it did answer
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Planescape: Torment
Fallout 2
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Divinity: Original Sin II
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Mass Effect 2
Chrono Trigger
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
Ultima VII: The Black Gate
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 12:22:00 -0400, DMP <mungemaid@nospam.com> wrote:
What are the best crpg's of all time? The brain answered, my question
was "highly subjective" and was a matter of "personal preference"
But it did answer
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Planescape: Torment
Fallout 2
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Divinity: Original Sin II
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Mass Effect 2
Chrono Trigger
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
Ultima VII: The Black Gate
I mean, that's not a very hard question for one of these not-AIs to
answer. A google search would probably give you a similiar result.
Besides, "Gothic 2" isn't in the list. How intelligent can an
artificial intelligence really be if that game isn't at the top of
that list? It's like it's never even PLAYED any of these games but is
just compiling a list of the top games cited by the Internet ;-P
What are the best crpg's of all time? The brain answered, my question
was "highly subjective" and was a matter of "personal preference"
But it did answer
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Planescape: Torment
Fallout 2
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Divinity: Original Sin II
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Mass Effect 2
Chrono Trigger
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
Ultima VII: The Black Gate
What are the best crpg's of all time? The brain answered, my question
was "highly subjective" and was a matter of "personal preference"
But it did answer
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Planescape: Torment
Fallout 2
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Divinity: Original Sin II
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Mass Effect 2
Chrono Trigger
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
Ultima VII: The Black Gate
Here's what I got from Bing (Chat-GPT):
There are many great CRPGs out there, and it’s hard to pick the best
ones. According to levelskip.com, some of the best CRPGs of all time are:
1. Bard’s Tale (1985)
2. Pool of Radiance (1988)
3. Eye of the Beholder (1990)
4. Ultima VII: The Black Gate (1992)
5. Betrayal at Krondor (1993)
6. Fallout (1997)
7. Might & Magic VI: The Mandate of Heaven (1998)
8. Baldur’s Gate (1998)
Someone *really* likes Fallout 2. I thought it was a bug-fest.
On 19/03/2023 16:22, DMP wrote:
What are the best crpg's of all time? The brain answered, my question
was "highly subjective" and was a matter of "personal preference"
But it did answer
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Planescape: Torment
Fallout 2
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Divinity: Original Sin II
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Mass Effect 2
Chrono Trigger
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
Ultima VII: The Black Gate
If a real person made that list the only one that would stand out as
slightly strange is Chrono Trigger as it doesn't feel like it really
fits with the rest of the list.
If a real person made that list the only one that would stand out as
slightly strange is Chrono Trigger as it doesn't feel like it really
fits with the rest of the list.
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 15:36:17 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 12:22:00 -0400, DMP <mung...@nospam.com> wrote:
What are the best crpg's of all time? The brain answered, my question >>was "highly subjective" and was a matter of "personal preference"
But it did answer
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Planescape: Torment
Fallout 2
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Divinity: Original Sin II
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Mass Effect 2
Chrono Trigger
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
Ultima VII: The Black Gate
I mean, that's not a very hard question for one of these not-AIs to >answer. A google search would probably give you a similiar result.
Besides, "Gothic 2" isn't in the list. How intelligent can an
artificial intelligence really be if that game isn't at the top of
that list? It's like it's never even PLAYED any of these games but is
just compiling a list of the top games cited by the Internet ;-P
Fallout 2 as opposed to Fallout 3? I have no idea what Internet made that determination. Certainly not this one.
I would've expected FO4 by what I see on the Intertubes.
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 18:29:24 -0500, Zaghadka <zagh...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Here's what I got from Bing (Chat-GPT):
There are many great CRPGs out there, and it’s hard to pick the best >ones. According to levelskip.com, some of the best CRPGs of all time are:
1. Bard’s Tale (1985)I like this list a lot more then the first one.
2. Pool of Radiance (1988)
3. Eye of the Beholder (1990)
4. Ultima VII: The Black Gate (1992)
5. Betrayal at Krondor (1993)
6. Fallout (1997)
7. Might & Magic VI: The Mandate of Heaven (1998)
8. Baldur’s Gate (1998)
Someone *really* likes Fallout 2. I thought it was a bug-fest.Maybe it has been fixed since you played it. If not by the developer,
then perhaps by gamers themselves over the years.
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 4:25:21 PM UTC-7, Zaghadka wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 15:36:17 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 12:22:00 -0400, DMP <mung...@nospam.com> wrote:Fallout 2 as opposed to Fallout 3? I have no idea what Internet made that
What are the best crpg's of all time? The brain answered, my question
was "highly subjective" and was a matter of "personal preference"
But it did answer
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Planescape: Torment
Fallout 2
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Divinity: Original Sin II
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Mass Effect 2
Chrono Trigger
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
Ultima VII: The Black Gate
I mean, that's not a very hard question for one of these not-AIs to
answer. A google search would probably give you a similiar result.
Besides, "Gothic 2" isn't in the list. How intelligent can an
artificial intelligence really be if that game isn't at the top of
that list? It's like it's never even PLAYED any of these games but is
just compiling a list of the top games cited by the Internet ;-P
determination. Certainly not this one.
I would've expected FO4 by what I see on the Intertubes.
We must travel different tubes, FO4 is fairly reviled from what I see.
FONV always seems to be the golden child.
I'd certainly place FO2 highest.
On 20/03/2023 17:09, Justisaur wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 4:25:21?PM UTC-7, Zaghadka wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 15:36:17 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 12:22:00 -0400, DMP <mung...@nospam.com> wrote:Fallout 2 as opposed to Fallout 3? I have no idea what Internet made that >>> determination. Certainly not this one.
What are the best crpg's of all time? The brain answered, my question >>>>> was "highly subjective" and was a matter of "personal preference"
But it did answer
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Planescape: Torment
Fallout 2
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Divinity: Original Sin II
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Mass Effect 2
Chrono Trigger
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
Ultima VII: The Black Gate
I mean, that's not a very hard question for one of these not-AIs to
answer. A google search would probably give you a similiar result.
Besides, "Gothic 2" isn't in the list. How intelligent can an
artificial intelligence really be if that game isn't at the top of
that list? It's like it's never even PLAYED any of these games but is
just compiling a list of the top games cited by the Internet ;-P
I would've expected FO4 by what I see on the Intertubes.
We must travel different tubes, FO4 is fairly reviled from what I see.
FONV always seems to be the golden child.
I'd certainly place FO2 highest.
I tend to agree about NV being the one that I normal see as put forward
as the best in the series. FO:4, what a waste of money that was for me.
Yes there was a large open world to explore but it just felt that most
of it lacked interest compared to FO:3/NV. The less said about the base >building part the better. What's that got to do with a FO game besides
adding filler?
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 08:22:07 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
On 20/03/2023 17:09, Justisaur wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 4:25:21?PM UTC-7, Zaghadka wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 15:36:17 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 12:22:00 -0400, DMP <mung...@nospam.com> wrote:Fallout 2 as opposed to Fallout 3? I have no idea what Internet made that >>>> determination. Certainly not this one.
What are the best crpg's of all time? The brain answered, my question >>>>>> was "highly subjective" and was a matter of "personal preference"
But it did answer
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Planescape: Torment
Fallout 2
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Divinity: Original Sin II
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Mass Effect 2
Chrono Trigger
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
Ultima VII: The Black Gate
I mean, that's not a very hard question for one of these not-AIs to
answer. A google search would probably give you a similiar result.
Besides, "Gothic 2" isn't in the list. How intelligent can an
artificial intelligence really be if that game isn't at the top of
that list? It's like it's never even PLAYED any of these games but is >>>>> just compiling a list of the top games cited by the Internet ;-P
I would've expected FO4 by what I see on the Intertubes.
We must travel different tubes, FO4 is fairly reviled from what I see.
FONV always seems to be the golden child.
I'd certainly place FO2 highest.
I tend to agree about NV being the one that I normal see as put forward
as the best in the series. FO:4, what a waste of money that was for me.
Yes there was a large open world to explore but it just felt that most
of it lacked interest compared to FO:3/NV. The less said about the base >>building part the better. What's that got to do with a FO game besides >>adding filler?
Don't forget the crafting! Ooh, and those ever-so-fun repetitive
procedural missions to defend the base from raiders!
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 11:35:37 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 08:22:07 +0000, JAB <no...@nochance.com> wrote:
On 20/03/2023 17:09, Justisaur wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 4:25:21?PM UTC-7, Zaghadka wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 15:36:17 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, >>>> Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 12:22:00 -0400, DMP <mung...@nospam.com> wrote: >>>>>Fallout 2 as opposed to Fallout 3? I have no idea what Internet made that
What are the best crpg's of all time? The brain answered, my question >>>>>> was "highly subjective" and was a matter of "personal preference" >>>>>>
But it did answer
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Planescape: Torment
Fallout 2
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Divinity: Original Sin II
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Mass Effect 2
Chrono Trigger
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
Ultima VII: The Black Gate
I mean, that's not a very hard question for one of these not-AIs to >>>>> answer. A google search would probably give you a similiar result. >>>>>
Besides, "Gothic 2" isn't in the list. How intelligent can an
artificial intelligence really be if that game isn't at the top of >>>>> that list? It's like it's never even PLAYED any of these games but is >>>>> just compiling a list of the top games cited by the Internet ;-P
determination. Certainly not this one.
I would've expected FO4 by what I see on the Intertubes.
We must travel different tubes, FO4 is fairly reviled from what I see. >>> FONV always seems to be the golden child.
I'd certainly place FO2 highest.
I tend to agree about NV being the one that I normal see as put forward >>as the best in the series. FO:4, what a waste of money that was for me. >>Yes there was a large open world to explore but it just felt that most >>of it lacked interest compared to FO:3/NV. The less said about the base >>building part the better. What's that got to do with a FO game besides >>adding filler?
Don't forget the crafting! Ooh, and those ever-so-fun repetitive >procedural missions to defend the base from raiders!
Easily avoided by literally never talking to Preston Garvey again after
you get the power armor. Weapon mods are another thing entirely.
Or by just saying "Sucks to be you! I'm over here on Far Harbor."
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 08:22:07 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
On 20/03/2023 17:09, Justisaur wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 4:25:21?PM UTC-7, Zaghadka wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 15:36:17 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 12:22:00 -0400, DMP <mung...@nospam.com> wrote:Fallout 2 as opposed to Fallout 3? I have no idea what Internet made that >>>> determination. Certainly not this one.
What are the best crpg's of all time? The brain answered, my question >>>>>> was "highly subjective" and was a matter of "personal preference"
But it did answer
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Planescape: Torment
Fallout 2
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Divinity: Original Sin II
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Mass Effect 2
Chrono Trigger
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
Ultima VII: The Black Gate
I mean, that's not a very hard question for one of these not-AIs to
answer. A google search would probably give you a similiar result.
Besides, "Gothic 2" isn't in the list. How intelligent can an
artificial intelligence really be if that game isn't at the top of
that list? It's like it's never even PLAYED any of these games but is >>>>> just compiling a list of the top games cited by the Internet ;-P
I would've expected FO4 by what I see on the Intertubes.
We must travel different tubes, FO4 is fairly reviled from what I see.
FONV always seems to be the golden child.
I'd certainly place FO2 highest.
I tend to agree about NV being the one that I normal see as put forward
as the best in the series. FO:4, what a waste of money that was for me.
Yes there was a large open world to explore but it just felt that most
of it lacked interest compared to FO:3/NV. The less said about the base
building part the better. What's that got to do with a FO game besides
adding filler?
Don't forget the crafting! Ooh, and those ever-so-fun repetitive
procedural missions to defend the base from raiders!
But, for me at least, those were just annoyances on an already sub-par
game. There was so much more about "Fallout 4" that I found annoying;
it's uninteresting characters, its dull landscapes, its clunky engine,
its unexciting missions. There was no novelty to the game; there was
nothing that made it stand out. It felt tired. And after so many
games, it's no surprise; the whole post-nuclear 1950s-themed schtick
was getting really old, and the setting's fiction was becoming
increasingly creaky as more and more complexities were bolted onto it.
The game took no risks, and demanded none from the player.
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 1:21:00?PM UTC-7, Zaghadka wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 11:35:37 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 08:22:07 +0000, JAB <no...@nochance.com> wrote:Easily avoided by literally never talking to Preston Garvey again after
On 20/03/2023 17:09, Justisaur wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 4:25:21?PM UTC-7, Zaghadka wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 15:36:17 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 12:22:00 -0400, DMP <mung...@nospam.com> wrote:Fallout 2 as opposed to Fallout 3? I have no idea what Internet made that
What are the best crpg's of all time? The brain answered, my question >> >>>>>> was "highly subjective" and was a matter of "personal preference"
But it did answer
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Planescape: Torment
Fallout 2
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Divinity: Original Sin II
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Mass Effect 2
Chrono Trigger
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire
Ultima VII: The Black Gate
I mean, that's not a very hard question for one of these not-AIs to
answer. A google search would probably give you a similiar result.
Besides, "Gothic 2" isn't in the list. How intelligent can an
artificial intelligence really be if that game isn't at the top of
that list? It's like it's never even PLAYED any of these games but is >> >>>>> just compiling a list of the top games cited by the Internet ;-P
determination. Certainly not this one.
I would've expected FO4 by what I see on the Intertubes.
We must travel different tubes, FO4 is fairly reviled from what I see. >> >>> FONV always seems to be the golden child.
I'd certainly place FO2 highest.
I tend to agree about NV being the one that I normal see as put forward
as the best in the series. FO:4, what a waste of money that was for me.
Yes there was a large open world to explore but it just felt that most
of it lacked interest compared to FO:3/NV. The less said about the base
building part the better. What's that got to do with a FO game besides
adding filler?
Don't forget the crafting! Ooh, and those ever-so-fun repetitive
procedural missions to defend the base from raiders!
you get the power armor. Weapon mods are another thing entirely.
Or by just saying "Sucks to be you! I'm over here on Far Harbor."
I think your base still gets attacked though doesn't it? Of course
you don't even actually have to build a base. I did for the purified
water, and then I set up a slew of defenses for my water empire.
After the first time it successfully defended a super-mutant attack
it seemed like it never got attacked again though.
its unexciting missions. There was no novelty to the game; there was
nothing that made it stand out.
I also accidentally slaughtered all of Caesar's camp, including Caesar,
which kind of broke the ending since I had elminated that faction, but
still had to face his underlings (the accident was that I didn't realize
I was leveling Caesar's entire home base until I walked up to actual
f-ing Caesar).
The FO:NV karma death squads were also too frequently spawned and
extremely annoying and always much harder to fight than any of the
planned quest combats.
If a real person made that list the only one that would stand out asChrono Trigger is the Ultima 7 of the JRPG crowd, it stands out being a
slightly strange is Chrono Trigger as it doesn't feel like it really
fits with the rest of the list.
Fallout 2 as opposed to Fallout 3? I have no idea what Internet made that determination. Certainly not this one.
I would've expected FO4 by what I see on the Intertubes.
This impressed people who were fans of the original (FO, FO2), imo. TheyFO2 was so special due to the over the top humor, thats lacking entirely
are vocal, but younger people like FO4 a lot. That's the corner of the Intertubes I followed.
Don't forget the crafting! Ooh, and those ever-so-fun repetitive
procedural missions to defend the base from raiders!
Easily avoided by literally never talking to Preston Garvey again after
you get the power armor. Weapon mods are another thing entirely.
I actually liked those. Good source of antivenom and XP, as I
recall. And they pretty much stopped coming when you were using fast
travel mostly.
Chrono Trigger is the Ultima 7 of the JRPG crowd, it stands out being a
JRPG but it is highly regarded as one of the best if not the best JRGPs >(which I personally doubt, there is a ton of nostalgia into that, the
same goes for Ultima 7 while it was a huge milestone did not age that
well due to its broken combat system)
On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 14:52:44 +0100, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:
Chrono Trigger is the Ultima 7 of the JRPG crowd, it stands out being a >>JRPG but it is highly regarded as one of the best if not the best JRGPs >>(which I personally doubt, there is a ton of nostalgia into that, the
same goes for Ultima 7 while it was a huge milestone did not age that
well due to its broken combat system)
Ok, I have not played Ultima 7 in at least 2 1/2 decades by this point >admittedly, but I doubt the game aged poorly due to its combat. The
combat was always bad. It sucked from day one. It did not stop the
game from being really good. If the game has aged poorly, I would
think it would be for other reasons.
Anyway, I never minded the combat system, but that's largely because I
always found combat in CRPGs the least interesting part anyway. Being
able to push a button to make monsters die without any effort on my
part was always one of the strengths of the game. That way I could
focus more on the characters, the story, and exploring the setting.
You know; the good stuff! ;-)
Hardly roleplaying that everyone in the Legion magically knew I did that
with no one left alive. But it was the same thing in FO4. I remember
wiping out the Railroad leaders. To make it easier, I started with the
heavy and murdered her in her sleep since I had that ability (Mister >Sandman). No witnesses but suddenly they all hated me because they
magically sensed a change in alignment or whatever.
But seriously, I have never cared about combat in any of the main line
Ultima games. Combat was either boring or broken. I had more fun (at
least starting in Ultima IV) going around and talking to everyone and >figuring out the keywords needed to advance the game and plot.
On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 14:08:49 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
wrote:
But seriously, I have never cared about combat in any of the main line >>Ultima games. Combat was either boring or broken. I had more fun (at
least starting in Ultima IV) going around and talking to everyone and >>figuring out the keywords needed to advance the game and plot.
Name! Job! Mantra? Bye!
The Avatar is truly the greatest orator in Britainian history. It's
great dialogue like that which made the Ultima series so memorable.
It's a wonder the inhabitants of Britannia didn't just ignore the >monosyllabic idiot.
Then again, if some over-roided (Strength 30) schmuck carrying 100
stone of weapons and armor asked me who I was and what my profession
was, I'd probably answer him politely too. ;-)
Name! Job! Mantra? Bye!
The Avatar is truly the greatest orator in Britainian history. It's
great dialogue like that which made the Ultima series so memorable.
It's a wonder the inhabitants of Britannia didn't just ignore the >monosyllabic idiot.
On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 10:49:30 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 14:08:49 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>Hey, at least it wasn't Oblivion's dialogue system?
wrote:
But seriously, I have never cared about combat in any of the main line
Ultima games. Combat was either boring or broken. I had more fun (at
least starting in Ultima IV) going around and talking to everyone and
figuring out the keywords needed to advance the game and plot.
Name! Job! Mantra? Bye!
The Avatar is truly the greatest orator in Britainian history. It's
great dialogue like that which made the Ultima series so memorable.
It's a wonder the inhabitants of Britannia didn't just ignore the
monosyllabic idiot.
Then again, if some over-roided (Strength 30) schmuck carrying 100
stone of weapons and armor asked me who I was and what my profession
was, I'd probably answer him politely too. ;-)
On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 10:49:30 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson ><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
Name! Job! Mantra? Bye!
The Avatar is truly the greatest orator in Britainian history. It's
great dialogue like that which made the Ultima series so memorable.
It's a wonder the inhabitants of Britannia didn't just ignore the >>monosyllabic idiot.
LOL Spalls. :)
Don't forget Health! They respond to that as well.
Technically, they respond to HEAL. The Ultima text parser only
recognized the first four letters of the word.
(so, yes, NAME, JOB, MANT, BYE ;-)
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