• They H4x0r3d my mouse!

    From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 15 19:47:35 2023
    Let's start this with the obvious: nobody hacked my mouse. That's just
    a subject line I put up there to make you read this. And it worked,
    didn't it? You're reading this (well, at least this far). But for a
    moment, that my mouse had somehow been 'hacked' is exactly what
    crossed my mind.

    How did we come to such a ridiculous conclusion? It all started when
    my mouse started acting weird. I'd push left, it would go down. I'd
    push up, it would go right. I'd push left again, it would now go up.
    There was no sense to it.

    "Damn," thought I. "Batteries must be dying." (It's a wireless mouse).
    Which is pretty ridiculous too, because when the batteries die, the
    mouse stops responding; it doesn't go in random directions. But I
    dutifully swap in some new batteries, and for a few moments,
    everything seems sane again.

    Then it happens again. "Damn, is the /mouse/ dying?" I'm heart-broken;
    it's a Logitech model they don't make anymore, and it fits perfectly
    to my hand. I don't want it to be broken. I apply a few (gentle) taps
    of percussive maintenance. And for a few moments again, all is right
    in the world.

    But, of course, the trouble soom returns and my mouse cursor scurries
    off in seemingly random directions again. THIS is when the thought -
    however briefly - occurs to me: h4X0r5! The miscreants of the Internet
    have - for reasons that surely seem sensible to them - implanted some
    sort of malware that makes my mouse go insane. Was it because I
    followed that link to 4chan? Is it because I visited Twitter? My data!
    Oh my god, is my data at risk?!?!?

    A deep breath later, and such nonsense is purged from my brain.
    Rationality resumes. I get out my teeny-tiny tech screwdrivers,
    unscrew the teenier-tinier screws on the bottom of my mouse, crack
    open the shell, take a deep breath, and blow into its innards. An
    impressive amount of dust shoots out. I put everything back together
    (no teeny-tiny screws lost in the operation!), slip the batteries back
    in, and shuffle the mouse around in a few circles. Not only didn't I
    break it (always a risk when I take stuff apart ;-) but the cursor is
    tracking my movements correctly. Problem solved.

    And as I return to normal work, pointing and clicking like the
    professional I am, it occurs to me that - twenty years ago - none of
    this odd behavior would have taken me by surprise. Mouse cursor gone
    screwy? Flip the mouse over, pop out the ball, and scrape off the gunk
    from the rollers. But two decades of using optical mice have spoiled
    me, and thus - even if only for a moment - I ended up thinking my
    mouse had been hacked.



    And no, there's no real point to this story; no lesson that you can
    take away by reading this. I just thought it was (mildly) amusing and
    maybe others can relate. And if not, well, I can take pride in wasting
    a few precious minutes of your life. Either way, I'm satisfied. ;-)

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Feb 16 14:32:28 2023
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:

    A deep breath later, and such nonsense is purged from my brain.
    Rationality resumes. I get out my teeny-tiny tech screwdrivers,
    unscrew the teenier-tinier screws on the bottom of my mouse, crack
    open the shell, take a deep breath, and blow into its innards. An
    impressive amount of dust shoots out. I put everything back together
    (no teeny-tiny screws lost in the operation!), slip the batteries back
    in, and shuffle the mouse around in a few circles. Not only didn't I
    break it (always a risk when I take stuff apart ;-) but the cursor is tracking my movements correctly. Problem solved.

    Nice going. I still have my old Roccat Kone Pure in the drawer waiting
    for, well, I guess a "wood tuit." Last time I used it, it was fine
    except for the wheel which needs cleaning. I even found a video on how
    to take the wheel apart since apparently it's fairly complex. But when I actually tried to take the mouse apart, I was thwarted in step one: the
    skid pads on the bottom which cover the screws and those were in pretty
    tight. In fact I made no headway picking them loose, so I gave up and
    got a new mouse.

    I don't know if those pads need heating to soften the glue or what but
    seemed like too much work. And also, using a heat gun on a plastic mouse
    seems like a good way to liquefy said mouse...

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to Anssi Saari on Thu Feb 16 11:18:44 2023
    On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 14:32:28 +0200, Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:

    A deep breath later, and such nonsense is purged from my brain.
    Rationality resumes. I get out my teeny-tiny tech screwdrivers,
    unscrew the teenier-tinier screws on the bottom of my mouse, crack
    open the shell, take a deep breath, and blow into its innards. An
    impressive amount of dust shoots out. I put everything back together
    (no teeny-tiny screws lost in the operation!), slip the batteries back
    in, and shuffle the mouse around in a few circles. Not only didn't I
    break it (always a risk when I take stuff apart ;-) but the cursor is
    tracking my movements correctly. Problem solved.

    Nice going. I still have my old Roccat Kone Pure in the drawer waiting
    for, well, I guess a "wood tuit." Last time I used it, it was fine
    except for the wheel which needs cleaning. I even found a video on how
    to take the wheel apart since apparently it's fairly complex. But when I >actually tried to take the mouse apart, I was thwarted in step one: the
    skid pads on the bottom which cover the screws and those were in pretty >tight. In fact I made no headway picking them loose, so I gave up and
    got a new mouse.

    Ah, those skid pads. The problem - for me at least - was less getting
    them loose (a spudger and some patience was all it took) but what to
    do with them afterwards. Even assuming the adhesive is still good,
    should I put them back on? Because presumably I'm going to have to
    open up the mouse again at some point, so if the pads are back in
    place, I'll just have to pry them loose again. But will the mouse
    'skid' as freely without them? Decisions, decisions!

    Ultimately, I reattached them on my mouse too... just slightly off to
    either side, so they weren't covering the screws anymore. Didn't seem
    to bother the mouse none, neither.

    Side note: my mouse has six screws keeping it shut. That seems a bit
    excessive.



    I don't know if those pads need heating to soften the glue or what but
    seemed like too much work. And also, using a heat gun on a plastic mouse >seems like a good way to liquefy said mouse...


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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Feb 17 01:19:18 2023
    "HACK THE PLANET!"

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Let's start this with the obvious: nobody hacked my mouse. That's just
    a subject line I put up there to make you read this. And it worked,
    didn't it? You're reading this (well, at least this far). But for a
    moment, that my mouse had somehow been 'hacked' is exactly what
    crossed my mind.

    How did we come to such a ridiculous conclusion? It all started when
    my mouse started acting weird. I'd push left, it would go down. I'd
    push up, it would go right. I'd push left again, it would now go up.
    There was no sense to it.

    "Damn," thought I. "Batteries must be dying." (It's a wireless mouse).
    Which is pretty ridiculous too, because when the batteries die, the
    mouse stops responding; it doesn't go in random directions. But I
    dutifully swap in some new batteries, and for a few moments,
    everything seems sane again.

    Then it happens again. "Damn, is the /mouse/ dying?" I'm heart-broken;
    it's a Logitech model they don't make anymore, and it fits perfectly
    to my hand. I don't want it to be broken. I apply a few (gentle) taps
    of percussive maintenance. And for a few moments again, all is right
    in the world.

    But, of course, the trouble soom returns and my mouse cursor scurries
    off in seemingly random directions again. THIS is when the thought -
    however briefly - occurs to me: h4X0r5! The miscreants of the Internet
    have - for reasons that surely seem sensible to them - implanted some
    sort of malware that makes my mouse go insane. Was it because I
    followed that link to 4chan? Is it because I visited Twitter? My data!
    Oh my god, is my data at risk?!?!?

    A deep breath later, and such nonsense is purged from my brain.
    Rationality resumes. I get out my teeny-tiny tech screwdrivers,
    unscrew the teenier-tinier screws on the bottom of my mouse, crack
    open the shell, take a deep breath, and blow into its innards. An
    impressive amount of dust shoots out. I put everything back together
    (no teeny-tiny screws lost in the operation!), slip the batteries back
    in, and shuffle the mouse around in a few circles. Not only didn't I
    break it (always a risk when I take stuff apart ;-) but the cursor is tracking my movements correctly. Problem solved.

    And as I return to normal work, pointing and clicking like the
    professional I am, it occurs to me that - twenty years ago - none of
    this odd behavior would have taken me by surprise. Mouse cursor gone
    screwy? Flip the mouse over, pop out the ball, and scrape off the gunk
    from the rollers. But two decades of using optical mice have spoiled
    me, and thus - even if only for a moment - I ended up thinking my
    mouse had been hacked.



    And no, there's no real point to this story; no lesson that you can
    take away by reading this. I just thought it was (mildly) amusing and
    maybe others can relate. And if not, well, I can take pride in wasting
    a few precious minutes of your life. Either way, I'm satisfied. ;-)



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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Anssi Saari on Sat Feb 18 10:40:35 2023
    On 16/02/2023 12:32, Anssi Saari wrote:
    Nice going. I still have my old Roccat Kone Pure in the drawer waiting
    for, well, I guess a "wood tuit." Last time I used it, it was fine
    except for the wheel which needs cleaning. I even found a video on how
    to take the wheel apart since apparently it's fairly complex. But when I actually tried to take the mouse apart, I was thwarted in step one: the
    skid pads on the bottom which cover the screws and those were in pretty tight. In fact I made no headway picking them loose, so I gave up and
    got a new mouse.

    I don't know if those pads need heating to soften the glue or what but
    seemed like too much work. And also, using a heat gun on a plastic mouse seems like a good way to liquefy said mouse...

    Weird, the few ball mice I've had were easy to clean as you just rotated
    a circle of plastic and that allowed the ball to drop out.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Feb 18 12:48:40 2023
    On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 10:40:35 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 16/02/2023 12:32, Anssi Saari wrote:
    Nice going. I still have my old Roccat Kone Pure in the drawer waiting
    for, well, I guess a "wood tuit." Last time I used it, it was fine
    except for the wheel which needs cleaning. I even found a video on how
    to take the wheel apart since apparently it's fairly complex. But when I
    actually tried to take the mouse apart, I was thwarted in step one: the
    skid pads on the bottom which cover the screws and those were in pretty
    tight. In fact I made no headway picking them loose, so I gave up and
    got a new mouse.

    I don't know if those pads need heating to soften the glue or what but
    seemed like too much work. And also, using a heat gun on a plastic mouse
    seems like a good way to liquefy said mouse...

    Weird, the few ball mice I've had were easy to clean as you just rotated
    a circle of plastic and that allowed the ball to drop out.

    Two notes:

    a) Anssi (and I) were talking about optical mice. Modern hardware is increasingly difficult to get into, with everything being sonic-welded
    or glued shut into impenetrable black-boxes. Also,

    b) Your technique, with regards to mechanical mice, only cleans the ball/cavity/roller area and not the mouse innards. Which, sometimes,
    is required (for instance, if a bit of fluff gets in between the
    buttons and the contacts). In that case, break out the
    teeny-tiny-tech-'drivers to remove the teeny-tiny-screws. ;-)

    However, I suspect that few ever bothered with such methods. They
    either didn't keep the mouse long enough for it to matter, or - as
    soon as the buttons/whatever started becoming unresponsive, just
    tossed it and bought a new one.

    But in my case, I really like the mouse I have. I've been using it...
    I dunno, at least a decade, I would guess. If dealing with
    teeny-tiny-screws are the burden I must bear to keep it working, then teeny-tiny-screws are what I shall deal with. ;-)



    (Also, are the screws getting teeny-tinier, or is everything else just
    getting bigger? ;-)

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sat Feb 18 13:49:09 2023
    On 2/18/2023 9:48 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 10:40:35 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 16/02/2023 12:32, Anssi Saari wrote:
    Nice going. I still have my old Roccat Kone Pure in the drawer waiting
    for, well, I guess a "wood tuit." Last time I used it, it was fine
    except for the wheel which needs cleaning. I even found a video on how
    to take the wheel apart since apparently it's fairly complex. But when I >>> actually tried to take the mouse apart, I was thwarted in step one: the
    skid pads on the bottom which cover the screws and those were in pretty
    tight. In fact I made no headway picking them loose, so I gave up and
    got a new mouse.

    I don't know if those pads need heating to soften the glue or what but
    seemed like too much work. And also, using a heat gun on a plastic mouse >>> seems like a good way to liquefy said mouse...

    Weird, the few ball mice I've had were easy to clean as you just rotated
    a circle of plastic and that allowed the ball to drop out.

    Two notes:

    a) Anssi (and I) were talking about optical mice. Modern hardware is increasingly difficult to get into, with everything being sonic-welded
    or glued shut into impenetrable black-boxes. Also,

    b) Your technique, with regards to mechanical mice, only cleans the ball/cavity/roller area and not the mouse innards. Which, sometimes,
    is required (for instance, if a bit of fluff gets in between the
    buttons and the contacts). In that case, break out the teeny-tiny-tech-'drivers to remove the teeny-tiny-screws. ;-)

    However, I suspect that few ever bothered with such methods. They
    either didn't keep the mouse long enough for it to matter, or - as
    soon as the buttons/whatever started becoming unresponsive, just
    tossed it and bought a new one.

    But in my case, I really like the mouse I have. I've been using it...
    I dunno, at least a decade, I would guess. If dealing with
    teeny-tiny-screws are the burden I must bear to keep it working, then teeny-tiny-screws are what I shall deal with. ;-)



    (Also, are the screws getting teeny-tinier, or is everything else just getting bigger? ;-)

    Your eyes are getting older. :P
    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sun Feb 19 09:41:08 2023
    On 18/02/2023 17:48, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 10:40:35 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 16/02/2023 12:32, Anssi Saari wrote:
    Nice going. I still have my old Roccat Kone Pure in the drawer waiting
    for, well, I guess a "wood tuit." Last time I used it, it was fine
    except for the wheel which needs cleaning. I even found a video on how
    to take the wheel apart since apparently it's fairly complex. But when I >>> actually tried to take the mouse apart, I was thwarted in step one: the
    skid pads on the bottom which cover the screws and those were in pretty
    tight. In fact I made no headway picking them loose, so I gave up and
    got a new mouse.

    I don't know if those pads need heating to soften the glue or what but
    seemed like too much work. And also, using a heat gun on a plastic mouse >>> seems like a good way to liquefy said mouse...

    Weird, the few ball mice I've had were easy to clean as you just rotated
    a circle of plastic and that allowed the ball to drop out.

    Two notes:

    a) Anssi (and I) were talking about optical mice. Modern hardware is increasingly difficult to get into, with everything being sonic-welded
    or glued shut into impenetrable black-boxes. Also,


    Oops, I completely much that one up and I can't even use the defence of
    I just misunderstood what you you posted, nope I just got it completely
    wrong!

    b) Your technique, with regards to mechanical mice, only cleans the ball/cavity/roller area and not the mouse innards. Which, sometimes,
    is required (for instance, if a bit of fluff gets in between the
    buttons and the contacts). In that case, break out the teeny-tiny-tech-'drivers to remove the teeny-tiny-screws. ;-)


    Can't say I ever had the problem with a mechanical mouse but my beloved Logitech MX518, that got to the stage after about fifteen years of use
    that the scroll wheel and mouse sensitivity felt like using a ZX81. My
    old trick of wicking some IPA in didn't do the job so I took it apart to
    give it a proper clear. Taking it apart was easier, putring it back
    together, not so easy. The mechanism on the scroll wheel I just couldn't
    figure how to get it all back in place again. The good thing, the new
    version had by then been released which really is pretty much identical
    to the old one.

    However, I suspect that few ever bothered with such methods. They
    either didn't keep the mouse long enough for it to matter, or - as
    soon as the buttons/whatever started becoming unresponsive, just
    tossed it and bought a new one.

    But in my case, I really like the mouse I have. I've been using it...
    I dunno, at least a decade, I would guess. If dealing with
    teeny-tiny-screws are the burden I must bear to keep it working, then teeny-tiny-screws are what I shall deal with. ;-)


    My first port of call is to have a look at how to fix something and as
    long as I think it's achievable give it a go. Even then I'll probably
    give it a go (for lower value items otherwise I'll look at paying
    someone to fix it) as what's the worse that can happen.

    (Also, are the screws getting teeny-tinier, or is everything else just getting bigger? ;-)


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