This is only tangentially gaming related and probably not of interest
to most people here - I mean, really, how many of us are active
Twitter users? - but the official Twitter Gaming account is apparently
a victim of that corporation's recent and very messy acquisition.
On 13/11/2022 00:28, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
I've never really understood the appeal of Twitter as it just seems
something like Facebook can perform the same role. I also didn't really >understand why its takeover generated so many news stories.
Still though it's been amusing (probably not for the people who got laid
off) to see the whole blue tick thing collapse in a heap. I could
understand the whole you have to pay to keep your blue tick but saying
you can just pay and get one, what's that all about. Oh and it was also >amusing to see Musk's views on freedom of speech don't apply to accounts
that poke fun at him personally.
On 13/11/2022 00:28, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
This is only tangentially gaming related and probably not of interest
to most people here - I mean, really, how many of us are active
Twitter users? - but the official Twitter Gaming account is apparently
a victim of that corporation's recent and very messy acquisition.
I've never really understood the appeal of Twitter as it just seems
something like Facebook can perform the same role. I also didn't really understand why its takeover generated so many news stories.
Still though it's been amusing (probably not for the people who got laid
off) to see the whole blue tick thing collapse in a heap. I could
understand the whole you have to pay to keep your blue tick but saying
you can just pay and get one, what's that all about. Oh and it was also amusing to see Musk's views on freedom of speech don't apply to accounts
that poke fun at him personally.
I've never really understood the appeal of Twitter as it just seems
something like Facebook can perform the same role.
I also didn't really understand why its takeover generated so many
news stories.
As I understand it, a lot of politicians like to have "discussions" on twitter and the short lengths provide a perfect platform for intentional misunderstandings to generate heated (mini-)discussions. Which are the
fuel of politics and media so of course it generates news stories.
This is only tangentially gaming related and probably not of interest
to most people here - I mean, really, how many of us are active
Twitter users? - but the official Twitter Gaming account is apparently
a victim of that corporation's recent and very messy acquisition.
Is this is a loss to gaming? I can't say. It /was/ the one of the most
active gaming accounts on Twitter, with a million followers, so
obviously it affects more than a few people, but who is to say much
each follower really got out of it? I certainly have no idea.
Honestly, I'm only mentioning it because I think the entire Twitter
debacle is absolutely fascinating to me; rarely do we watch a company destroy itself so quickly and publicly. And while I had no love for
the service personally (as might be inferred about anything that
limits me to a mere 140 characters per post ;-) I also know that there
were a number of useful communities to be found there.
(Also a lot of celebrity-watching nonsense - ooh, what has Beyonce
done today? - but burled beneath all that noise could be found useful
- if short - communiques.)
So I'm sure some gamers are upset.
That's not to say gamers have been silenced on Twitter, but with the
main account shuttered - apparently the entire team got canned in the
initial round of layoffs - everyone will need to find or create their
own newer - and probably smaller - groups.
(Hey, you think some of them might wander off to Usenet during this
Diaspora? Nah, probably not.)
On 13/11/2022 00:28, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
This is only tangentially gaming related and probably not of interest
to most people here - I mean, really, how many of us are active
Twitter users? - but the official Twitter Gaming account is apparently
a victim of that corporation's recent and very messy acquisition.
It sounds as though it's going from bad to worse. Threatening staff that
they must have a long hours culture and now temporarily locking the offices.
This is only tangentially gaming related and probably not of interestWow such an account did exist?
to most people here - I mean, really, how many of us are active
Twitter users? - but the official Twitter Gaming account is apparently
a victim of that corporation's recent and very messy acquisition.
Am 13.11.22 um 01:28 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
This is only tangentially gaming related and probably not of interest
to most people here - I mean, really, how many of us are active
Twitter users? - but the official Twitter Gaming account is apparently
a victim of that corporation's recent and very messy acquisition.
Wow such an account did exist?
On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:34:46 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
On 13/11/2022 00:28, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
This is only tangentially gaming related and probably not of interest
to most people here - I mean, really, how many of us are active
Twitter users? - but the official Twitter Gaming account is apparently
a victim of that corporation's recent and very messy acquisition.
It sounds as though it's going from bad to worse. Threatening staff that
they must have a long hours culture and now temporarily locking the offices.
Yeah. And it was such a surprise Mr. Musk's letter had that effect:
"Hey, everybody who works at Twitter; this is your God Emperor Elon
Musk here. Since this whole debacle has started, I've shown that I
have no respect for you employees and have no understanding of how the company works. Under my guidance the company has become a laughing
stock, we've driven away all our customers and advertisers, and some
banks are valuing us at 1/5 of what I paid for it.
"Anyway, if you want to keep the privilege of working for me, I need
you to do one of two things. Either click "yes" on this website to
pledge to not quit and then work super extra-hard for me at the same
pay, with no guarantees that the company will exist in three months or
that I won't fire you anyway because I ate a bad burrito or something
and get in a mood.. or click 'no' to get three months severance during
which time you won't be doing the work of three people for a boss who despises you, and can probably find another job at your leisure. I'm
sure that - even though 89% of my remaining employees think that
Twitter is going to fail under my management - all of you will make
the right choice because you all value of working with such a
super-intense genius like myself who is personally responsible for all
the great things that happen at Tesla and SpaceX."
"Wait... why is everyone clicking 'no'?!?!?"
I mean, seriously, even The Onion can't make up a narrative as good as
this. Soap opera villians are less ridiculous than this. Captain
Planet cartoons showed more understanding of how the world works than
Mr. Musk seems to have. The story is fascinating and just keeps on
giving. It's like the planned explosive demolition of a building,
watching the supports get blown away and seeing the floors crash down
one upon another - thump thump thump - until the whole collapses onto
the ground in a giant pile of debris. Except I can't imagine this is
in any way planned...
Apparently, although what it actually contained I've no idea. I'm
guessing it was less about its content and more as a hub for following various trends and people. It had a million followers, and even taking
into account journalists and bots, that were probably still a
significant number of real people who found the thread useful.
But at this point moaning about the whole "Twitter gaming is dead"
seems so... quaint. Oh, my sweet summer-of-November-12th child,
you've no idea what the winter of November 18th holds! 😉
It's a shame I closed my Twitter account, I could have invited some
Twitter refugees to c.s.i.p.g.action. Sure this isn't the busiest of
forums, but odds are we will still have more activity here than
Twitter in a few months, anyway
There are tons of people opening secondary accounts on Mastodon, just in
case Twitter goes down the gutter and it seems like it could atm.
Musk really managed to fire most of his stuff or at least managed that
they simply left because they did not work under his conditions. Now he
has the panic that not enough people are left to run the show.
On 21/11/2022 15:31, Werner P. wrote:
There are tons of people opening secondary accounts on Mastodon, just
in case Twitter goes down the gutter and it seems like it could atm.
Musk really managed to fire most of his stuff or at least managed that
they simply left because they did not work under his conditions. Now
he has the panic that not enough people are left to run the show.
Well I'm sure that the people who are left are going to be the top
workers and not those who don't think they can get a job someone else!
There are tons of people opening secondary accounts on Mastodon, just in
case Twitter goes down the gutter and it seems like it could atm.
Werner P. <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:
There are tons of people opening secondary accounts on Mastodon, just in
case Twitter goes down the gutter and it seems like it could atm.
I don't understand this. Mastodon is nothing like Twitter, it's closer
to Discord or Slack, both of which seem to be better alternatives than Mastodon.
On 11/23/2022 8:35 PM, Ross Ridge wrote:
Werner P. <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:But those are both so 15 minutes ago!
There are tons of people opening secondary accounts on Mastodon, just in >>> case Twitter goes down the gutter and it seems like it could atm.
I don't understand this. Mastodon is nothing like Twitter, it's closer
to Discord or Slack, both of which seem to be better alternatives than
Mastodon.
On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 22:50:56 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/23/2022 8:35 PM, Ross Ridge wrote:I'm surprised https://post.news isn't making more inroads, since it
Werner P. <we...@gmx.at> wrote:But those are both so 15 minutes ago!
There are tons of people opening secondary accounts on Mastodon, just in >>> case Twitter goes down the gutter and it seems like it could atm.
I don't understand this. Mastodon is nothing like Twitter, it's closer
to Discord or Slack, both of which seem to be better alternatives than
Mastodon.
seems to be Twitter except without that annoying 140-character
limitation.
(Although maybe it's because the site isn't actually active yet. Hard
to build up momentum when you haven't started running ;-)
Although I fear that lack of a character limit may work against it.
While I - all too obviously, right? - prefer long-form discussions, I
think the bulk of the world actually seems to enjoy 'conversations'
that can fit into neat, sentence-long soundbites...
Still, if there has to be a replacement to Twitter, news.post seems
the best option.
On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 6:40:01 AM UTC-8, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 22:50:56 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/23/2022 8:35 PM, Ross Ridge wrote:I'm surprised https://post.news isn't making more inroads, since it
Werner P. <we...@gmx.at> wrote:But those are both so 15 minutes ago!
There are tons of people opening secondary accounts on Mastodon, just in >>>>> case Twitter goes down the gutter and it seems like it could atm.
I don't understand this. Mastodon is nothing like Twitter, it's closer >>>> to Discord or Slack, both of which seem to be better alternatives than >>>> Mastodon.
seems to be Twitter except without that annoying 140-character
limitation.
(Although maybe it's because the site isn't actually active yet. Hard
to build up momentum when you haven't started running ;-)
Although I fear that lack of a character limit may work against it.
While I - all too obviously, right? - prefer long-form discussions, I
think the bulk of the world actually seems to enjoy 'conversations'
that can fit into neat, sentence-long soundbites...
Still, if there has to be a replacement to Twitter, news.post seems
the best option.
Bah, I hope nothing replaces Twitter and it goes down in flames
permanently.
I'm sure something will replace it though, who wouldn't chase
after billions of dollars?
Although I fear that lack of a character limit may work against it.
While I - all too obviously, right? - prefer long-form discussions, I
think the bulk of the world actually seems to enjoy 'conversations'
that can fit into neat, sentence-long soundbites...
Bah, I hope nothing replaces Twitter and it goes down in flames
permanently.
I'm sure something will replace it though, who wouldn't chase
after billions of dollars?
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
Although I fear that lack of a character limit may work against it.
While I - all too obviously, right? - prefer long-form discussions, I
think the bulk of the world actually seems to enjoy 'conversations'
that can fit into neat, sentence-long soundbites...
I made a similar argument when comparing Google+ to Twitter, as the
main difference between the two was that the former allowed for much
longer posts. I'm not sure if that's what really caused Google+ to fail, >even something that was unambigously better but only incrementally so
would have had a hard time competing.
What might end up causing Twitter to fail is if Elon Musk goes ahead
with his plans to drastically limit moderation, as most people seem to
prefer forums with a pretty liberal (in the non-political sense of the
word) dose of it. What he really might mean though, is is just giving >moderation a heavy conservative (in the Americian political sense of
the word) bias and turning Twitter into what Truth Social wants to be,
the Fox News of social networking.
** he's cut back his European teams so drastically, for instance, that Twitter likely can not claim to have a headquarters in Ireland anymore
- too few people there - and thus won't be eligible for any tax
benefits
On 25/11/2022 14:44, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
** he's cut back his European teams so drastically, for instance, that
Twitter likely can not claim to have a headquarters in Ireland anymore
- too few people there - and thus won't be eligible for any tax
benefits
Unless they tightened up the rules, which is possible, it's really quite
easy to fudge where your company is based for tax purposes. Rent an
office, have a few people employed to go there and have a meeting every
so often. The EU bring up the idea of tax being payable in the country
is was generated from every so often but nothing seems to happen.
On Sat, 26 Nov 2022 11:53:45 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
On 25/11/2022 14:44, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
** he's cut back his European teams so drastically, for instance, that
Twitter likely can not claim to have a headquarters in Ireland anymore
- too few people there - and thus won't be eligible for any tax
benefits
Unless they tightened up the rules, which is possible, it's really quite
easy to fudge where your company is based for tax purposes. Rent an
office, have a few people employed to go there and have a meeting every
so often. The EU bring up the idea of tax being payable in the country
is was generated from every so often but nothing seems to happen.
I can't say to be an expert on these matters, but apparently whatever
it is that is happening in Twitter Ireland is putting it in jeopardy
of losing a lot of its benefits, tax or otherwise (the GRPD violations
seemt the more serious, actually, since they can cost he company
several percent of its yearly revenue... and if the company isn't in
EU compliance, it can be held accountable - and fined - by each of the
member states individually. A 3% fine doesn't sound too bad... until
you remember there are 27 countries in the EU ;-) It doesn't help that
the CEO keeps putting the company back into the limelight, which only attracts the attention of government regulators.
It's the not direction - rightward - that Twitter is moving that will
kill it; it's the chaos of the method. A slower progression and the
company would probably survive (possibly not as large, influential or profitable, but there is sadly a market for right-wing echo chambers).
But if Twitter collapses, it will be entirely because of the
slash-n-burn tactics employed by Mr. Musk that give confidence to
neither his customers nor partners.
To be honest generally when I see people talk about 'freedom of speech' on-line the impression I get is what they actually mean is I should be
able to say what I want unchallenged but anybody who says something I
don't like should be censored.
Twitter is going to fail because Mr. Musk is behaving chaotically, and
chaos in business is something most companies prefer to avoid. The
loss of users and a swing to appeal to the American Far Right* are
survivable (sadly) but the manner in which Musk has been going about
it is driving away his business partners and customers. His actions
have attracted the attention of government agencies everywhere.**
Am 27.11.22 um 12:48 schrieb JAB:
There is always the golden rule, that freedom which is misused, is lost
To be honest generally when I see people talk about 'freedom of
speech' on-line the impression I get is what they actually mean is I
should be able to say what I want unchallenged but anybody who says
something I don't like should be censored.
in the end.
If you think Trump was
a prime example of a narcissist, Musk seems to be 10 times worse.
Good thing is he cannot run for US president because he was born in Johannesburg.
On 28/11/2022 07:20, Werner P. wrote:
I did ask my better half about this as she knows about these type of
things. The question was Trump can't really believe most of what he
says. The answer I got, don't underestimate what a narcissist can
believe about themselves.
On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:20:30 +0000, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
On 28/11/2022 07:20, Werner P. wrote:
I did ask my better half about this as she knows about these type of
things. The question was Trump can't really believe most of what he
says. The answer I got, don't underestimate what a narcissist can
believe about themselves.
Yup. "Everybody is the hero of their own story". Nobody sees
themselves as a villain. We all have ways with which we rationalize
even our worst actions to make ourselves look better. It's the only
way for people to get through life without going mad, because
sometimes life does require us to do awful things (or at least, makes
it much easier to do the awful thing than the good thing, and people
are generally lazy).
Often, in our heart-of-hearts, we often recognize these excuses for
the bullshit that they are, but those are the sort of thoughts we bury
down deep and only examine in the middle of the night (and too often,
not even then). But on the surface, we all tell ourselves that what we
are doing is somehow justified. Trump does it. Musk does it.
Zuckerberg does it. Truss does it. Putin does it. I do it. You do it.
I don't know what is going through Musk's head. But I guarantee he
thinks that his actions are all perfectly sound responses to the
position he's been put in. Maybe he thinks he is honestly defending
'freedom of speech', or maybe he thinks he can transform Twitter into
being an internet portal to rival Amazon or Facebook. Maybe he
honestly despises the company and is willing to burn 44billion USD
(and his reputation) to get there. But I'm fairly certain that -
whatever the reasoning - it all seems logical to him.
Twitter is going to fail because Mr. Musk is behaving chaotically, and
chaos in business is something most companies prefer to avoid. The
loss of users and a swing to appeal to the American Far Right* are
survivable (sadly) but the manner in which Musk has been going about
it is driving away his business partners and customers. His actions
have attracted the attention of government agencies everywhere.**
This is not entirely out of character for Musk. With Tesla and SpaceX
his boar-headed obstinance has allowed him to unexpectedly push those >companies to unlikely success, and I think that history is partially >responsible for his current actions with Twitter.
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
Twitter is going to fail because Mr. Musk is behaving chaotically, and >>chaos in business is something most companies prefer to avoid. The
loss of users and a swing to appeal to the American Far Right* are >>survivable (sadly) but the manner in which Musk has been going about
it is driving away his business partners and customers. His actions
have attracted the attention of government agencies everywhere.**
It's so choatic, it's hard to predict what might actually kill it.
Will the closure of their European offices lead to Twitter being banned
in Europe? Maybe Twitter's entire infrastructure will fall apart
because there's no one left there that understands it well enough?
Maybe some crucial invoice won't get paid, because Musk refuses to pay
it and there's no one left to tell him what the consequences would be?
Maybe Twiiter users will get out their pitchforks and torch and storm >Twitter's HQ and burn it all down?
With most of the debt used to finance the takeover being dumped on the >company itself, Twitter is an a much more precarious position than it
was in before. It might have been somewhere between almost and barely >profitable, but it didn't have a lot debt and could've weathered a
a storm or two, but even something as simple and straightfoward as
the coming global recession driving down advertising spending on all >platforms could kill it now.
This is not entirely out of character for Musk. With Tesla and SpaceX
his boar-headed obstinance has allowed him to unexpectedly push those >>companies to unlikely success, and I think that history is partially >>responsible for his current actions with Twitter.
Oh, he's definitely trying to remake Twitter in the image of Telsa, SpaceX >and his other companies, where his employees worship him as their saviour. >But in those cases Musk's employees were already sipping the Kool-Aid
before they started working for him, thinking Musk was going to save
the world by going to Mars and building electric cars.
It's not obvous this will work with Twitter, as it'll be hard for even the >most die hard Musk fan there to think they're doing anything so great and >noble to make it worth the sacrifices he demands. It's also not clear
how many people left Twitter are still there because they actually like
what Musk is doing or because they're just don't have any other option.
The EU is considering a continent-wide ban
due to the change in moderation policies.
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The EU is considering a continent-wide banI wouldn't describe it as the EU considering a ban but instead warning
due to the change in moderation policies.
Musk (can't imagine why) that they won't sit back and do nothing if
Twitter doesn't abide by the Digital Service Act.
Oh and to get a little picky, Europe is a continent the EU is an organisation that consists of a number of member states in Europe.
Wow such an account did exist?
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