I'm somewhat tempted to try Tiny Tina's Wonderlands. It's on sale on Steam 40% off at $35 or $47 for the season pass. The reviews aren't great 75%, which is around where I start questioning a game, noting it's short, and not particularly innovative on
the mechanics, just new classes, but the same old annoying BL2 low probabilities for good loot, and fairly close to Assault on Dragon Keep, which was o.k. to me, but not great.

Having been somewhat burned out on BL in general I'm not sure this is a good choice, though it's a somewhat different setting being 'fantasy'.

Anyone tried it, thoughts?

- Justisaur

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I'm somewhat tempted to try Tiny Tina's Wonderlands. It's on sale on Steam >40% off at $35 or $47 for the season pass.

I wouldn't touch this, especially at that price, but I'm certainly, definitely not a borderlands fan.

rms

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On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 06:47:17 -0800 (PST), Justisaur
<justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm somewhat tempted to try Tiny Tina's Wonderlands. It's on sale on Steam 40% off at $35 or $47 for the season pass. The reviews aren't great 75%, which is around where I start questioning a game, noting it's short, and not particularly innovative on

the mechanics, just new classes, but the same old annoying BL2 low probabilities for good loot, and fairly close to Assault on Dragon Keep, which was o.k. to me, but not great.

Having been somewhat burned out on BL in general I'm not sure this is a good choice, though it's a somewhat different setting being 'fantasy'.

Anyone tried it, thoughts?

Haven't tried it, but well, that won't stop me from throwing in my two
cents ;-)

"Dragon's Keep" was probably the best part of Borderlands 2 (or was it
3? I can't remember. They're pretty interchangable as far as I'm
concerned). I'm not really a big fan of that franchise, AODK alone was
enough to make me play the base game. It adds in enough changes that
makes the game enjoyable, and it takes the piss out of tabletop
role-playing to boot. It was a good time and if you think it all looks intereresting, I'd say go on and give it a try.

But "Wonderlands"? I'm far less intrigued. AODK was fun because of its
novelty, but Wonderlands is just that same joke told over and over.
It's tired before you even start it. And AODK benefited from being
part of the main Borderlands game; it changed things up. As a
standalone, without hours-n-hours of Borderlands gameplay to contrast
with? I can't imagine having the same impact.

Then having the gall to charge full-price? No. Just no. It speaks of
the developers not understanding why AODK worked as well as it did,
and just assuming "more of the same" is enough to carry the title.
It's lazy sequelitis writ large (and don't even get me started on all
the DLC).

Then again, I haven't played it, so take my opinion for what it's
worth. But if you - or Gearbox! - is wondering why I'm hesitant,
that's why. Maybe one day, after I've forgotten AODK ever existed, I
might give it a chance... if it's free (or really cheap ;-). But not
before.

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On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 1:24:02 PM UTC-8, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 06:47:17 -0800 (PST), Justisaur
<just...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm somewhat tempted to try Tiny Tina's Wonderlands. It's on sale on Steam 40% off at $35 or $47 for the season pass. The reviews aren't great 75%, which is around where I start questioning a game, noting it's short, and not particularly innovative on

the mechanics, just new classes, but the same old annoying BL2 low probabilities for good loot, and fairly close to Assault on Dragon Keep, which was o.k. to me, but not great.

Having been somewhat burned out on BL in general I'm not sure this is a good choice, though it's a somewhat different setting being 'fantasy'.

Anyone tried it, thoughts?

Haven't tried it, but well, that won't stop me from throwing in my two
cents ;-)

"Dragon's Keep" was probably the best part of Borderlands 2 (or was it
3? I can't remember. They're pretty interchangable as far as I'm
concerned). I'm not really a big fan of that franchise, AODK alone was enough to make me play the base game. It adds in enough changes that
makes the game enjoyable, and it takes the piss out of tabletop
role-playing to boot. It was a good time and if you think it all looks intereresting, I'd say go on and give it a try.

Number Two.

But "Wonderlands"? I'm far less intrigued. AODK was fun because of its novelty, but Wonderlands is just that same joke told over and over.
It's tired before you even start it. And AODK benefited from being
part of the main Borderlands game; it changed things up. As a
standalone, without hours-n-hours of Borderlands gameplay to contrast
with? I can't imagine having the same impact.

Then having the gall to charge full-price? No. Just no. It speaks of
the developers not understanding why AODK worked as well as it did,
and just assuming "more of the same" is enough to carry the title.
It's lazy sequelitis writ large (and don't even get me started on all
the DLC).

Then again, I haven't played it, so take my opinion for what it's
worth. But if you - or Gearbox! - is wondering why I'm hesitant,
that's why. Maybe one day, after I've forgotten AODK ever existed, I
might give it a chance... if it's free (or really cheap ;-). But not
before.

Apparently I forgot it existed (or at least what it was called) as I was looking through my games and saw the standalone of it and downloaded
it and started playing it. Then said to myself "This seems an awful
lot like that one from BL2." So I looked up the one from BL2 and it was the same, this one is just divorced from it, and oddly uses the Wonderlands
name as if it were a part of that, but it isn't.

Speaking of mistakenly playing games I've already played thinking they
were new, I saw Ruiner on sale on Gog and thought it looked cool,
bought it (only $4) downloaded and started playing it, and the same
feeling overtook me as well as the feeling it was a bit of a slog, and then I found I had it free on Epic already... and remembered I had played it about
as far as I'd just got, so history repeated itself and I uninstalled it.

I just downloaded Vermintide 2, and am hoping it's not the one I
played already, and that it's not too similar if it isn't. Otherwise
I'm doing the time warp again.

- Justisaur

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Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> writes:

Having been somewhat burned out on BL in general I'm not sure this is
a good choice, though it's a somewhat different setting being
'fantasy'.

I did try it but didn't get very far before losing interest. I'm not a
big fan of fantasy stuff in general so maybe that had something to do
with it. Maybe it's worth another look, if, as you say, it's short. From
what I recall there was basic BL gunplay in a kind of fantasy
setting. The kind that has guns :p

I don't remember what I paid but I think it was from a sale.

I did like AODK well enough when it was new but when I tried it again, I
guess around when the standalone came out, it felt just painful. All the attempts at humor just made me roll my eyes.

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On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 06:47:17 -0800 (PST), Justisaur
<justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm somewhat tempted to try Tiny Tina's Wonderlands. It's on sale on Steam 40% off at $35 or $47 for the season pass. The reviews aren't great 75%, which is around where I start questioning a game, noting it's short, and not particularly innovative on

the mechanics, just new classes, but the same old annoying BL2 low probabilities for good loot, and fairly close to Assault on Dragon Keep, which was o.k. to me, but not great.

Having been somewhat burned out on BL in general I'm not sure this is a good choice, though it's a somewhat different setting being 'fantasy'.

Anyone tried it, thoughts?

- Justisaur

I've tried it and although it took a while to really grab me, it did
in the end, and now it has to a certain degree, soured my view of BL3

I have completed Wonderlands with each character and eagerly await any
DLC.

I like the addition of the Overworld (although I initially did not)
and I like the skill trees, It is in my opinion it's less of a loot
grind than any other Borderlands. In that respect, none of the BL
games can match the allure of the quest for loot that was BL1.

If I had to rank the Borderlands episodes so far, I would put them in
this order.

1.) Borderlands plus General Knoxx. I didn't like the change from
farming chests in Old Haven but soon cottoned on to the fact that
Lucky's and then Crimson Fastness were really enjoyable substitutes.

The Spiderants were really enjoyable to farm and the maps felt huge.

2.) Tiny Tina's Wonderlands. I wish there was a genuine 2nd
playthrough as that is something that I really enjoy in a looter
shooter. The skill trees are interesting and the skills themselves
make you feel more powerful.

3.) Borderlands 3 - oddly enough I haven't played any of the DLC's but
I will get to those soon. It's enjoyable but not as addictive as BL1
and Wonderlands. I have finished the main game several times. IT is
admittedly an enjoyable romp.

4.) Borderlands 2 - by no means a bad game, just sufficiently
different from BL1 to put me off it for a while. I found the loot side
of the game to be under whelming because the weapons seemed more
generic and less important to the overall player build.

5.) The pre-sequel - the only Borderlands game that I actually dislike
and will likely never play again. It was weird, the low gravity was
annoying, and it just felt like a poor knock-off of a BL game by a dev
team not in the least bit connected to the BL universe.

--
Rob

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On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 09:37:18 -0700, "rms"
<rsquiresMOO@MOOflashMOO.net> wrote:

If I had to rank the Borderlands episodes so far, I would put them in
this order.

Great review!! BL1 >> everything else is just and right. Have you played
that BL adventure game?

rms

I haven't tried the adventure games, although I have occasionally been
tempted to.

I just checked my Borderlands play times.


Borderlands 1 + DLC's = 815 hours
Borderlands 2 + DLC's = 231 hours
Borderlands 3 + DLC's = 617 hours (only played the Handsome Jack DLC) Wonderlands = 202 hours
Borderlands PS = 99 hours

That's a total of 1,931 hours

or

80.45 days

--
Rob

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If I had to rank the Borderlands episodes so far, I would put them in
this order.

Great review!! BL1 >> everything else is just and right. Have you played that BL adventure game?

rms

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On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 17:09:31 +0000, Mr Rob
<noemailformethx@jsjsaiiowppw.com> wrote:

Borderlands 1 + DLC's = 815 hours
Borderlands 2 + DLC's = 231 hours
Borderlands 3 + DLC's = 617 hours (only played the Handsome Jack DLC) >Wonderlands = 202 hours
Borderlands PS = 99 hours

That's a total of 1,931 hours

or

80.45 days

I loved the first game but have not got around to the sequel yet. I
only played it for a bit with a friend awhile back but what I saw I
liked but........

Did you find the Slag mechanic from Borderlands 2 annoying? I am
concerned that having to slag a mob before using my main weapon may
get irritating quickly.

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Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> writes:

Did you find the Slag mechanic from Borderlands 2 annoying? I am
concerned that having to slag a mob before using my main weapon may
get irritating quickly.

My point of view is it's useful but not that important to slag mobs,
basic opposition isn't that tough and boss enemies usually don't slag.

In UVHM (3rd playthrough) though, I'd say slagging is important. At that
point everyone's a tank with autoheal and slagged damage is 3x instead
of 2x.

Soldier class can get the turret to slag enemies for them. That was fun
as I recall.

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On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 2:26:08 AM UTC-8, Anssi Saari wrote:

Mike S. <Mik...@nowhere.com> writes:

Did you find the Slag mechanic from Borderlands 2 annoying? I am
concerned that having to slag a mob before using my main weapon may
get irritating quickly.

My point of view is it's useful but not that important to slag mobs,
basic opposition isn't that tough and boss enemies usually don't slag.

In UVHM (3rd playthrough) though, I'd say slagging is important. At that point everyone's a tank with autoheal and slagged damage is 3x instead
of 2x.

Soldier class can get the turret to slag enemies for them. That was fun
as I recall.

It's been awhile, but I mostly played Gunzerker and used slag for one of my
2 weapons while gunzerking. Works fine that way.

- Justisaur

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On 14/11/2022 16:37, rms wrote:

If I had to rank the Borderlands episodes so far, I would put them in
this order.

 Great review!!  BL1 >> everything else is just and right.  Have you played that BL adventure game?

I presume you mean Tales from the Borderlands and found it fun and for
once is was a game described as humorous that made me chuckle although
not outright laugh. Obviously being a Telltale game you know what you're getting so if you're not into that no amount of liking Borderlands is
going to make you like this game.

There is also a second in the series that's being recently released but
that one I haven't played. The price is a clear hike from what Telltale
used to charge and the reviews on Steam are mixed so that's a pass from me.

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On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 2:35:57 AM UTC-8, Mr Rob wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 06:47:17 -0800 (PST), Justisaur
<just...@gmail.com> wrote:

1.) Borderlands plus General Knoxx. I didn't like the change from
farming chests in Old Haven but soon cottoned on to the fact that
Lucky's and then Crimson Fastness were really enjoyable substitutes.

The Spiderants were really enjoyable to farm and the maps felt huge.

I agree with this. I'd actually rate BL 1 by itself down at the bottom,
but this DLC and Mad Moxxi's Underdome Riot DLC made me love it.

2.) Tiny Tina's Wonderlands.

Haven't played so can't say.

3.) Borderlands 3 - oddly enough I haven't played any of the DLC's but

Decent, mechanics/looting improved from 2. Just too much of the same
thing to really appreciate it. If I'd played this first it probably would be my favorite, but I didn't.

4.) Borderlands 2 - by no means a bad game, just sufficiently

I played it the most, but the rare loot drop rates were way too low,
I modded to fix that. Anti-grind for life! I loved the Torgue DLC
the best.

5.) The pre-sequel - the only Borderlands game that I actually dislike
and will likely never play again. It was weird, the low gravity was
annoying, and it just felt like a poor knock-off of a BL game by a dev
team not in the least bit connected to the BL universe.

I actually thought this one was the best. Low gravity was a great new
way to play, and the loot system seemed just right. I was a bit burned
out to appreciate it a lot though. I really should get the DLCs since
they're far better than the base games in 1 & 2. I'm probably just
too burned out on BL in general. Maybe's it's been enough time,
maybe not.

So my order

2) 1's DLCs
1) Pre-sequel
3) 2's DLCs
4) 3
5) 2 no DLCs
5) 1 no DLCs

- Justisaur

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On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 10:56:56 AM UTC-8, Mike S. wrote:

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 17:09:31 +0000, Mr Rob
<noemail...@jsjsaiiowppw.com> wrote:

Borderlands 1 + DLC's = 815 hours
Borderlands 2 + DLC's = 231 hours
Borderlands 3 + DLC's = 617 hours (only played the Handsome Jack DLC) >Wonderlands = 202 hours
Borderlands PS = 99 hours

549 BL1+DLCs
1374 BL2+DLCs
171 PS
309 BL3

You'd think that'd make BL2+DLCs my favorite, but no, I'd put it near or at the bottom. Really only truly enjoyed the Torgue DLC. I did love the Gunzerker, but Lilith and Brick (though he sucked) were my favorites from #1.

- Justisaur

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On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 08:00:44 -0800 (PST), Justisaur
<justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

549 BL1+DLCs
1374 BL2+DLCs
171 PS
309 BL3

You'd think that'd make BL2+DLCs my favorite, but no, I'd put it near or at the
bottom. Really only truly enjoyed the Torgue DLC. I did love the Gunzerker, >but Lilith and Brick (though he sucked) were my favorites from #1.

- Justisaur

I have 230 in BL1 but I am not done with it yet. Not sure I will even
reach your number, let alone Mr. Rob's! The only Steam game I have
more then his 815 hours in is Titan Quest at 912.

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On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 11:00:26 AM UTC-8, Mike S. wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 08:00:44 -0800 (PST), Justisaur
<just...@gmail.com> wrote:

549 BL1+DLCs
1374 BL2+DLCs
171 PS
309 BL3

You'd think that'd make BL2+DLCs my favorite, but no, I'd put it near or at the
bottom. Really only truly enjoyed the Torgue DLC. I did love the Gunzerker, >but Lilith and Brick (though he sucked) were my favorites from #1.

- Justisaur

I have 230 in BL1 but I am not done with it yet. Not sure I will even
reach your number, let alone Mr. Rob's! The only Steam game I have
more then his 815 hours in is Titan Quest at 912.

My highest Steam game is Dark Souls III with 1,774. I'm fairly sure I put a lot
more time into Everquest, since I played it almost every free moment I had
for about 3 years except for prepping and playing D&D, and of course food, commute and work. Working from home during the last couple years freed
up a couple hours commute, so that's allowed me to rack up time more
quickly with games though. I think one of my rl friends still plays it.

I may have racked up more time with the likes of MoM, and Fallout 2 as I was young and mostly unemployed during when I was playing those.

- Justisaur

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Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> writes:

It's been awhile, but I mostly played Gunzerker and used slag for one of my
2 weapons while gunzerking. Works fine that way.

Right, of course. It seems other characters have ways to slag without
switching guns. If nothing else, there were slagging grenades.

Thinking back, the Siren could have the phase lock slag anyone who's
near it. Checking the skill tree, it's called "Ruin". I remember this
was pretty cool with another skill that pulled enemies nearby to the
phase bubble so they'd all get slagged and receive some other damage
too.

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