• Free Games: "Evoland" and "Fallout 3"

    From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 20 11:00:15 2022
    Hello boys and girls! Remember me? I'm the person who keeps
    unnecessarily telling you about the free games you can get on Epic's
    Game Store. And I'm back... which means there must be new free games
    on the Epic Game Store. What a coincidence! Let's see what new free
    games on the Epic Game Store we get this week!


    * Evoland Legendary Edition https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/evoland-legendary-edition-5753ec

    What's Evoland? It's a Zelda-like console-RPG. But like which Zelda
    game, you might ask? The answer is: all of them. The game starts with old-school 8-bit visuals and 'evolves' to new visuals and gameplay as
    you progress through your quest. It's a neat gimmick and one I'd be
    more excited about if, you know, I enjoyed those games. But I don't,
    so this is added to the "never gonna play list". Still, if that
    particular niche is your thing, "Evoland" may be the game for you.
    This "Legendary Edition" includes both the original "Evoland" and its
    aptly named sequel, "Evoland 2".


    * Fallout 3 GOTY https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/fallout-3-game-of-the-year-edition

    "Fallout 3" doesn't really need an introduction, does it? It's
    "Obsidian with guns", with all the highs and lows of a Bethesda RPG.
    Of the 3D Fallout games, "Fallout 3" probably remains my favorite, if
    only because they hadn't descended as deeply into the pseudo-50s theme
    as they would in the later games. The lack of superfluous gameplay
    modes - crafting, base-building - is a plus too. Still, if you aren't
    a fan of Bethesda's open-world games, "Fallout 3" isn't going to
    convince you otherwise. I'm happy too see it on Epic (even if I've no
    need of the game, for all the obvious reasons) but can understand if
    this makes it on some people's 'skip-it' list.


    Wasn't that fun! I can't wait until next week when I can tell you what
    new free games on the Epic Games Store are available for free on the
    Epic Games Store. But you'll have to wait a whole seven days for that
    to happen!

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Oct 20 16:48:04 2022
    Thanks. I took both! Now, will I play them? :P


    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello boys and girls! Remember me? I'm the person who keeps
    unnecessarily telling you about the free games you can get on Epic's
    Game Store. And I'm back... which means there must be new free games
    on the Epic Game Store. What a coincidence! Let's see what new free
    games on the Epic Game Store we get this week!


    * Evoland Legendary Edition https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/evoland-legendary-edition-5753ec

    What's Evoland? It's a Zelda-like console-RPG. But like which Zelda
    game, you might ask? The answer is: all of them. The game starts with old-school 8-bit visuals and 'evolves' to new visuals and gameplay as
    you progress through your quest. It's a neat gimmick and one I'd be
    more excited about if, you know, I enjoyed those games. But I don't,
    so this is added to the "never gonna play list". Still, if that
    particular niche is your thing, "Evoland" may be the game for you.
    This "Legendary Edition" includes both the original "Evoland" and its
    aptly named sequel, "Evoland 2".


    * Fallout 3 GOTY https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/fallout-3-game-of-the-year-edition

    "Fallout 3" doesn't really need an introduction, does it? It's
    "Obsidian with guns", with all the highs and lows of a Bethesda RPG.
    Of the 3D Fallout games, "Fallout 3" probably remains my favorite, if
    only because they hadn't descended as deeply into the pseudo-50s theme
    as they would in the later games. The lack of superfluous gameplay
    modes - crafting, base-building - is a plus too. Still, if you aren't
    a fan of Bethesda's open-world games, "Fallout 3" isn't going to
    convince you otherwise. I'm happy too see it on Epic (even if I've no
    need of the game, for all the obvious reasons) but can understand if
    this makes it on some people's 'skip-it' list.


    Wasn't that fun! I can't wait until next week when I can tell you what
    new free games on the Epic Games Store are available for free on the
    Epic Games Store. But you'll have to wait a whole seven days for that
    to happen!



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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Thu Oct 20 14:11:14 2022
    On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:00:15 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:


    Hello boys and girls! Remember me? I'm the person who keeps
    unnecessarily telling you about the free games you can get on Epic's
    Game Store.

    I assure you it is necessary. Thank you for the reminder.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Mike S. on Thu Oct 20 19:21:54 2022
    Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:00:15 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:


    Hello boys and girls! Remember me? I'm the person who keeps
    unnecessarily telling you about the free games you can get on Epic's
    Game Store.

    I assure you it is necessary. Thank you for the reminder.

    Ditto. :)
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Ant on Thu Oct 20 13:10:24 2022
    On 10/20/2022 9:48 AM, Ant wrote:
    Thanks. I took both! Now, will I play them? :P

    I bet 1 Quatloo "No".

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Oct 21 10:53:27 2022
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:

    Hello boys and girls! Remember me? I'm the person who keeps
    unnecessarily telling you about the free games you can get on Epic's
    Game Store. And I'm back... which means there must be new free games
    on the Epic Game Store. What a coincidence! Let's see what new free
    games on the Epic Game Store we get this week!

    Well, it's appreciated and this time it looks like games I might want to
    play, at least a little.

    * Evoland Legendary Edition

    I'm not sure if I'm going to like these or not but it's free so I'm
    going to give it a quick whirl. Just made me think about the original Wasteland. I got that but I had no idea how to play so just dropped it.

    * Fallout 3 GOTY

    Wow, Fallout 3! I played it, I hated the bugs and the crooked guns, then
    got some straight guns and fell in love with it. And never looked back
    once I was done with the game and the DLCs. I have thought about it a
    few times though.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Anssi Saari on Fri Oct 21 10:29:45 2022
    On 21/10/2022 08:53, Anssi Saari wrote:
    Wow, Fallout 3! I played it, I hated the bugs and the crooked guns, then
    got some straight guns and fell in love with it. And never looked back
    once I was done with the game and the DLCs. I have thought about it a
    few times though.

    I've heard the same type of complaints about both FO:3 and FO:NV but I
    can honestly say I just never noticed any real problems.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Oct 21 10:28:07 2022
    On 20/10/2022 16:00, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    "Fallout 3" doesn't really need an introduction, does it? It's
    "Obsidian with guns", with all the highs and lows of a Bethesda RPG.
    Of the 3D Fallout games, "Fallout 3" probably remains my favorite, if
    only because they hadn't descended as deeply into the pseudo-50s theme
    as they would in the later games. The lack of superfluous gameplay
    modes - crafting, base-building - is a plus too. Still, if you aren't
    a fan of Bethesda's open-world games, "Fallout 3" isn't going to
    convince you otherwise. I'm happy too see it on Epic (even if I've no
    need of the game, for all the obvious reasons) but can understand if
    this makes it on some people's 'skip-it' list.

    If I put then in order of how much I enjoyed them it would be.

    - FO:3
    - FO:NV
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    /that puts it far enough down the list/
    - F0:4

    Objectively though I think that FO:NV is a better game, it's just that
    FO:3 was more enjoyable to play as it had the novelty value that FO:NV
    didn't.

    That reminds me, I must get around to installing the high resolution mod
    for FO:2 to see if it can get the graphics to a level that doesn't make
    my eyes bleed.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Oct 21 05:44:19 2022
    On 10/21/2022 2:28 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 20/10/2022 16:00, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    "Fallout 3" doesn't really need an introduction, does it? It's
    "Obsidian with guns", with all the highs and lows of a Bethesda RPG.
    Of the 3D Fallout games, "Fallout 3" probably remains my favorite, if
    only because they hadn't descended as deeply into the pseudo-50s theme
    as they would in the later games. The lack of superfluous gameplay
    modes - crafting, base-building - is a plus too. Still, if you aren't
    a fan of Bethesda's open-world games, "Fallout 3" isn't going to
    convince you otherwise. I'm happy too see it on Epic (even if I've no
    need of the game, for all the obvious reasons) but can understand if
    this makes it on some people's 'skip-it' list.

    If I put then in order of how much I enjoyed them it would be.

    - FO:3
    - FO:NV
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    /that puts it far enough down the list/
    - F0:4

    Objectively though I think that FO:NV is a better game, it's just that
    FO:3 was more enjoyable to play as it had the novelty value that FO:NV didn't.

    That reminds me, I must get around to installing the high resolution mod
    for FO:2 to see if it can get the graphics to a level that doesn't make
    my eyes bleed.

    If your eye bleed that easily you really need to see a doctor!

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Oct 21 09:59:35 2022
    On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:21:54 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
    Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:00:15 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
    <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello boys and girls! Remember me? I'm the person who keeps
    unnecessarily telling you about the free games you can get on Epic's
    Game Store.

    I assure you it is necessary. Thank you for the reminder.

    Ditto. :)


    Well, somebody's gotta do it, seeing as Ant has vacated his post as
    the previous announcer. At least, I assume he's abandoned his duties.
    I mean, I waited a full 30 seconds after the games were released to
    see if he had sent out his own alert before I posted my own. That's
    surely enough time, right? ;-)

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Oct 21 10:18:49 2022
    On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 10:28:07 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    If I put then in order of how much I enjoyed them it would be.

    - FO:3
    - FO:NV
    <snip long gap>
    /that puts it far enough down the list/
    - F0:4

    Objectively though I think that FO:NV is a better game, it's just that
    FO:3 was more enjoyable to play as it had the novelty value that FO:NV >didn't.

    But where do you put FO1 & FO2? That's the question. A lot of the
    people who dislike the Bethesda games put the first two games on a
    pedestal as high above FO3 as you put that game above FO4. When I
    wrote that many put FO3 on their 'skip it' list, those were the sort
    of people I was thinking of.

    But I can't really disagree with your listing. Everyone tells me that
    FO:NV was the better game, but I enjoyed FO3 far more. There's a
    number of reasons for this - not least of which is that I've /no/
    appreciation for the 'Rat Pack' era and themes that influenced so much
    of FO:NV's story - but given the choice, I'd much rather play Fallout
    3 than its semi-sequel.

    I'm not sure I'd rank "Fallout 4" quite as lowly as you but I can
    understand the distaste. At best, it was an average game, seemingly
    designed not to offend anyone. But it's repetitive quests, unexciting
    (and increasingly fantastical) setting, and annoying crafting /
    base-building all made the game a lot less than it could have been.


    That reminds me, I must get around to installing the high resolution mod
    for FO:2 to see if it can get the graphics to a level that doesn't make
    my eyes bleed.

    Try playing the original "Fallout" if you want some real ocular
    abuse.* And that game really doesn't help itself by starting in its
    worst setting, the caves, where the pixelated shadows do nothing
    positive for its visuals.





    ============================
    * why would anyone want that?

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 21 14:14:52 2022
    On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 10:28:07 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, JAB
    wrote:

    On 20/10/2022 16:00, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    "Fallout 3" doesn't really need an introduction, does it? It's
    "Obsidian with guns", with all the highs and lows of a Bethesda RPG.
    Of the 3D Fallout games, "Fallout 3" probably remains my favorite, if
    only because they hadn't descended as deeply into the pseudo-50s theme
    as they would in the later games. The lack of superfluous gameplay
    modes - crafting, base-building - is a plus too. Still, if you aren't
    a fan of Bethesda's open-world games, "Fallout 3" isn't going to
    convince you otherwise. I'm happy too see it on Epic (even if I've no
    need of the game, for all the obvious reasons) but can understand if
    this makes it on some people's 'skip-it' list.

    Objectively though I think that FO:NV is a better game, it's just that
    FO:3 was more enjoyable to play as it had the novelty value that FO:NV >didn't.

    I found the constant karma death squads in FO:NV to be a lot more
    annoying than FO3 for some reason. I think they were more frequent.
    Almost made the game unplayable, since they were scaled to your level and
    were the toughest combatants you faced.

    Oh crap! Here comes the karma squad, better quicksave.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Oct 21 19:07:46 2022
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:21:54 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
    Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:00:15 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
    <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello boys and girls! Remember me? I'm the person who keeps
    unnecessarily telling you about the free games you can get on Epic's
    Game Store.

    I assure you it is necessary. Thank you for the reminder.

    Ditto. :)


    Well, somebody's gotta do it, seeing as Ant has vacated his post as
    the previous announcer. At least, I assume he's abandoned his duties.
    I mean, I waited a full 30 seconds after the games were released to
    see if he had sent out his own alert before I posted my own. That's
    surely enough time, right? ;-)

    Haha. No, you're too fast. I'm slow. I'll get you again though. :-)
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  • From Ross Ridge@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Fri Oct 21 19:47:31 2022
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    But where do you put FO1 & FO2? That's the question. A lot of the
    people who dislike the Bethesda games put the first two games on a
    pedestal as high above FO3 as you put that game above FO4. When I
    wrote that many put FO3 on their 'skip it' list, those were the sort
    of people I was thinking of.

    My ranking is Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout: New Vegas, and then Fallout 3.
    I haven't played Fallout 4. I wouldn't put the first two games far off
    the last two, and I enjoyed playing all four of them. If I had to put
    a Fallout game at a remote distance from the others it would be Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel, as I found the game ended up being more
    a puzzle game as the game progressed and never finished it.

    I rank Fallout 3 below New Vegas and the rest of the Fallout games
    because I found its world less believable. Just too many aburdities
    like tents errected in the days after the bombs dropped still standing
    around in perfect condition 200 later when the game takes place.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sat Oct 22 11:20:29 2022
    On 21/10/2022 15:18, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 10:28:07 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    If I put then in order of how much I enjoyed them it would be.

    - FO:3
    - FO:NV
    <snip long gap>
    /that puts it far enough down the list/
    - F0:4

    Objectively though I think that FO:NV is a better game, it's just that
    FO:3 was more enjoyable to play as it had the novelty value that FO:NV
    didn't.

    But where do you put FO1 & FO2? That's the question. A lot of the
    people who dislike the Bethesda games put the first two games on a
    pedestal as high above FO3 as you put that game above FO4. When I
    wrote that many put FO3 on their 'skip it' list, those were the sort
    of people I was thinking of.


    That's a bit complicated as I never played FO:1/2 when they came out*.
    That's a bit strange as I had heard of them and they would seem to be
    they type of game I liked. So I didn't get FO:2 until a couple of years
    ago when it was in a Steam sale as I thought it's one of the games I
    really should try. The problem is that I have tried it a few times but
    ever time I quickly put it down and think I really must install the
    high-res mod but never do.

    So the answer to the question is I can't really compare them and indeed
    they may share a name a setting but they seem to different to compare.

    *The advantage of that was when I played FO:3 I didn't have any
    expectations of what type of game it should be but instead enjoyed it
    for the type of game it was.

    But I can't really disagree with your listing. Everyone tells me that
    FO:NV was the better game, but I enjoyed FO3 far more. There's a
    number of reasons for this - not least of which is that I've /no/ appreciation for the 'Rat Pack' era and themes that influenced so much
    of FO:NV's story - but given the choice, I'd much rather play Fallout
    3 than its semi-sequel.

    I'm not sure I'd rank "Fallout 4" quite as lowly as you but I can
    understand the distaste. At best, it was an average game, seemingly
    designed not to offend anyone. But it's repetitive quests, unexciting
    (and increasingly fantastical) setting, and annoying crafting /
    base-building all made the game a lot less than it could have been.


    The base building I could just about put up with as you could
    effectively ignore it. The two real low points to me are intertwined.

    The first, as you say, the quests just weren't that interesting. Indeed
    I remember how disappointed I was when doing a number of them for a
    faction before realising that they were all cookie cutter go to location
    A, kill everyone, get item B and then give it to person C. Completely
    devoid of even a basic story.

    Related to that is what I most enjoyed about FO:3/NV was just setting
    out in a random direction and seeing what I could find. In FO:4 the
    answer seemed to be not a lot.

    The best thing about FO:4 is that at least it's not FO:1976!


    That reminds me, I must get around to installing the high resolution mod
    for FO:2 to see if it can get the graphics to a level that doesn't make
    my eyes bleed.

    Try playing the original "Fallout" if you want some real ocular
    abuse.* And that game really doesn't help itself by starting in its
    worst setting, the caves, where the pixelated shadows do nothing
    positive for its visuals.


    I will install that high-res mod!

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to Ross Ridge on Sat Oct 22 07:45:35 2022
    On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 19:47:31 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
    (Ross Ridge) wrote:

    My ranking is Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout: New Vegas, and then Fallout 3.
    I haven't played Fallout 4. I wouldn't put the first two games far off
    the last two, and I enjoyed playing all four of them. If I had to put
    a Fallout game at a remote distance from the others it would be Fallout >Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel, as I found the game ended up being more
    a puzzle game as the game progressed and never finished it.

    I hate it when a strategy game or a tactical game ends up feeling more
    like a puzzle game. Some of the missions in a RTS game can feel like
    that sometimes.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 22 10:14:35 2022
    On Sat, 22 Oct 2022 07:45:35 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    I hate it when a strategy game or a tactical game ends up feeling more
    like a puzzle game. Some of the missions in a RTS game can feel like
    that sometimes.

    I feel the same way about what I've taken to calling 'puzzle bosses'
    in FPS games. You know the sort; the big baddies that can only be
    downed with a specific sequence of attacks or environmental effects,
    rather than just filling them full of lead. Cthon, the boss at the end
    of the original "Quake's" shareware episode, was one of the first
    examples of these in an FPS, and I hated the concept at first sight.

    But the underlying problem is the same in both instances: it changes
    game mechanics and/or removes agency from the player, and ultimately
    destroys a game's immersion and realism. That's just bad design,
    regardless of genre.

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Anssi Saari on Sat Oct 22 16:50:59 2022
    On Sun, 23 Oct 2022 00:20:57 +0300, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Anssi Saari wrote:

    Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> writes:

    I found the constant karma death squads in FO:NV to be a lot more
    annoying than FO3 for some reason. I think they were more frequent.
    Almost made the game unplayable, since they were scaled to your level and
    were the toughest combatants you faced.

    I actually welcomed those, for the XP and loot. Wasn't my first play
    through when I got them a lot. In that playthrough I made an enemy of
    the Legion early, in that first little town you see them. I killed them
    all which took some doing and despite leaving no witnesses somehow
    Legion knew. I wasn't really happy about that but I guess it's the point
    of the karma system.

    I think the death squads stopped at some point, maybe when you reached
    NV? Not sure. No problem when using fast travel either.

    I think I killed Caesar, and he was easier than the death squads. LOL

    I was damned surprised that the endgame didn't take this into account.

    --
    Zag

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    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to Zaghadka on Sun Oct 23 00:20:57 2022
    Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> writes:

    I found the constant karma death squads in FO:NV to be a lot more
    annoying than FO3 for some reason. I think they were more frequent.
    Almost made the game unplayable, since they were scaled to your level and were the toughest combatants you faced.

    I actually welcomed those, for the XP and loot. Wasn't my first play
    through when I got them a lot. In that playthrough I made an enemy of
    the Legion early, in that first little town you see them. I killed them
    all which took some doing and despite leaving no witnesses somehow
    Legion knew. I wasn't really happy about that but I guess it's the point
    of the karma system.

    I think the death squads stopped at some point, maybe when you reached
    NV? Not sure. No problem when using fast travel either.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Mike S. on Sun Oct 23 11:12:16 2022
    On 22/10/2022 12:45, Mike S. wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 19:47:31 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
    (Ross Ridge) wrote:

    My ranking is Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout: New Vegas, and then Fallout 3.
    I haven't played Fallout 4. I wouldn't put the first two games far off
    the last two, and I enjoyed playing all four of them. If I had to put
    a Fallout game at a remote distance from the others it would be Fallout
    Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel, as I found the game ended up being more
    a puzzle game as the game progressed and never finished it.

    I hate it when a strategy game or a tactical game ends up feeling more
    like a puzzle game. Some of the missions in a RTS game can feel like
    that sometimes.

    Unfortunately I think it's a common side-effect of the AI just not being
    good enough. They can be quite good at the low level details which is
    really messing around with numbers (I remember Korsun Pocket being
    absolutely brutal at that) but they just aren't very good at seeing the
    bigger picture.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Mon Oct 24 09:22:44 2022
    On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 8:00:28 AM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    * Evoland Legendary Edition https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/evoland-legendary-edition-5753ec

    * Fallout 3 GOTY https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/fallout-3-game-of-the-year-edition

    I have both on Steam (well some version of Evoland, I can't be bothered
    to look and see right now.) I suppose I'll pick them up just as some form
    of redundancy. This will actually make the 3rd Fallout 3, since I bought
    GOTY long after I had bought 3 because it was cheaper than getting
    the DLCs by themselves at the time, also because I had the physical disks
    for 3 vs. having it on Steam. Then I only DLC I ever played was the first one anyway and didn't enjoy it. I know I'd probably enjoy the other ones, but
    I can't get excited about going through the rest of the game again.

    Evoland - well I did enjoy it for a little bit, but it quickly waned. It's an interesting idea at least. I played the original Zelda, but none of the followups until OoT which I didn't get very far in, and BotW which I
    got a lot further in, but still never finished, so I'm probably not quite
    the right person to enjoy this much.

    - Justisaur

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Mon Oct 24 09:15:43 2022
    On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 7:19:03 AM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 10:28:07 +0100, JAB <no...@nochance.com> wrote:

    If I put then in order of how much I enjoyed them it would be.

    - FO:3
    - FO:NV
    <snip long gap>
    /that puts it far enough down the list/
    - F0:4

    Objectively though I think that FO:NV is a better game, it's just that
    FO:3 was more enjoyable to play as it had the novelty value that FO:NV >didn't.
    But where do you put FO1 & FO2? That's the question. A lot of the
    people who dislike the Bethesda games put the first two games on a
    pedestal as high above FO3 as you put that game above FO4. When I
    wrote that many put FO3 on their 'skip it' list, those were the sort
    of people I was thinking of.

    But I can't really disagree with your listing. Everyone tells me that
    FO:NV was the better game, but I enjoyed FO3 far more. There's a
    number of reasons for this - not least of which is that I've /no/ appreciation for the 'Rat Pack' era and themes that influenced so much
    of FO:NV's story - but given the choice, I'd much rather play Fallout
    3 than its semi-sequel.

    I'm not sure I'd rank "Fallout 4" quite as lowly as you but I can
    understand the distaste. At best, it was an average game, seemingly
    designed not to offend anyone. But it's repetitive quests, unexciting
    (and increasingly fantastical) setting, and annoying crafting /
    base-building all made the game a lot less than it could have been.

    That reminds me, I must get around to installing the high resolution mod >for FO:2 to see if it can get the graphics to a level that doesn't make
    my eyes bleed.
    Try playing the original "Fallout" if you want some real ocular
    abuse.* And that game really doesn't help itself by starting in its
    worst setting, the caves, where the pixelated shadows do nothing
    positive for its visuals.

    I did play FO 1, 2, BoS (both) before fallout 3. I did originally mock
    and hate FO3, but with some mods and fixes I fell in love. It certainly
    had more of a fallout feel to me than any of the following games.

    Where would I rate them? At one time I'd have rated FO2 highest, but
    it's a close race with FO3. I'm sure I played FO2 more, and FO2 was
    far superior for story, but the last time I played it, I couldn't get into
    it much, it's more aged out, and really I should probably put it at the
    top, but currently I put it in this order, which may change if you asked
    me tomorrow.

    FO3
    FO2
    Outer Worlds*
    FO1
    FO76**
    FO4
    FOT:BoS
    FO Shelter
    FO:BoS
    FONV***
    Wasteland II****
    Wasteland****

    * Outer Worlds. O.K. it's technically not a Fallout game, but it's
    by those who were involved, and it feels like Fallout universe in some
    ways, it's much better than the majority of FO games in my opinion,
    so I threw it in.

    ** 76 I played 2 years after release and from what I saw it was pretty
    good, I got to end game. For a MMORPG that's what I'd consider
    'finished'. It had changed a lot from what it was at the beginning,
    and it's changed a lot since I hear, I assume it's improved more
    since I last played it, but some people's improvements aren't to others.
    Well worth playing now if you like fallout and haven't tried it yet in any case. I'd barely call it an MMO, I rarely played with others in the world.
    It did lack the ability to mod, which is one of the best features of
    Bethesda games, on the other hand they've put effort into actually
    making it playable unlike their offline endeavors. I actually found
    the quests far more interesting than what was available in Fallout 4.

    *** I did at least complete NV once, which still puts it above the majority
    of others games that aren't fallout, but it had no replay value to me.
    I hated it when I tried to replay it mainly the lack of ammo, and ineffectiveness of explosives, which was what I was trying to use.
    I might enjoy it more if I threw enough mods at it, but most of the
    mods I could find at the time I played leaned toward making it
    harder and more realistic which was the opposite of what I wanted.

    **** Wasteland and Wasteland II. I couldn't get very far in the original Wasteland. I came to it very late, and most games from that era that
    I enjoyed I really can't get into, especially if I never played them and
    have no nostalgia for them. It's just too much micro management
    and tracking. I keep having passing thoughts of giving it another go
    with a walkthrough that can help with that, but it doesn't excite me.
    Wasteland II I did manage to finish, but it felt like a slog, and I've
    no desire to ever try it again, nor to play III. I'm conflicted if I should put at least II above NV, but at least with NV I occasionally have a
    thought of playing it again.

    - Justisaur

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Tue Oct 25 09:06:25 2022
    On 24/10/2022 17:15, Justisaur wrote:
    * Outer Worlds. O.K. it's technically not a Fallout game, but it's
    by those who were involved, and it feels like Fallout universe in some
    ways, it's much better than the majority of FO games in my opinion,
    so I threw it in.

    Weird, a lot of the negative reviews were because it wasn't FO:NV (the
    rest were from the anti-woke brigade). Personally I rather enjoyed it
    even if it didn't support the gameplay style (random exploration) that
    FO:3/NV did. I put it in the same category as a Die Hard film, the early
    ones at least. It's not a classic and nor is it going to form part of my 'gaming history'. What it is, an enjoyable romp!

    I have got both expansions but I gave up on the first one as navigating
    the map was just such a chore. Right so I'm here and I need to go here.
    That shouldn't take long, oh there's a bloody great mountain in the way
    that I can't seem to get past. Not fun at all.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Oct 25 08:32:03 2022
    On 10/25/2022 1:06 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 24/10/2022 17:15, Justisaur wrote:
    * Outer Worlds.  O.K. it's technically not a Fallout game, but it's
    by those who were involved, and it feels like Fallout universe in some
    ways, it's much better than the majority of FO games in my opinion,
    so I threw it in.

    Weird, a lot of the negative reviews were because it wasn't FO:NV (the
    rest were from the anti-woke brigade). Personally I rather enjoyed it
    even if it didn't support the gameplay style (random exploration) that FO:3/NV did. I put it in the same category as a Die Hard film, the early
    ones at least. It's not a classic and nor is it going to form part of my 'gaming history'. What it is, an enjoyable romp!

    I have got both expansions but I gave up on the first one as navigating
    the map was just such a chore. Right so I'm here and I need to go here.
    That shouldn't take long, oh there's a bloody great mountain in the way
    that I can't seem to get past. Not fun at all.

    The first 'Die Hard' is generally considered a classic Christmas movie
    now. :D

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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