• Well that solves it! About 350 hours of my time wiith Elden Ring is all

    From PW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 3 15:12:28 2022
    Time to move on to another game.

    I wanted an excuse to do that and even though I did want to move on
    eventually, mostly to have something to contribute to Spalls thread
    here "What gave you been playing last month".

    Elden Ring updated itself via Steam and now the only option I have is
    "New Game" even though my save files are there. I try to move the
    cursor and the game quits and crashes.

    The new update forced me to play on-line and had all of these
    agreements to continue. I declined them, and was able to switch my
    choice in the settings to play offline but I can no longer play the
    game.

    Of course, I will NEVER buy a game from FROMSOFT and whomenver else
    they are associated with again after wastiing a big time of my spare
    time over the last year!

    Sorry to complain, but that is the plain truth!

    -pw

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Sat Sep 3 18:16:32 2022
    On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 15:12:28 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    Elden Ring updated itself via Steam and now the only option I have is
    "New Game" even though my save files are there. I try to move the
    cursor and the game quits and crashes.

    Dontcha hate when that happens?

    The new update forced me to play on-line and had all of these
    agreements to continue. I declined them, and was able to switch my
    choice in the settings to play offline but I can no longer play the
    game.

    Maybe take a look at this before giving up. It's an older post (from
    six months ago) but sounds similar to your experience. I haven't
    followed any of the links but maybe it will be a good starting point
    to solve the issue.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/t53n81/unable_to_load_save_file_after_recent_update/

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Sat Sep 3 21:04:14 2022
    On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 18:16:32 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 15:12:28 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    Elden Ring updated itself via Steam and now the only option I have is
    "New Game" even though my save files are there. I try to move the
    cursor and the game quits and crashes.

    Dontcha hate when that happens?

    The new update forced me to play on-line and had all of these
    agreements to continue. I declined them, and was able to switch my
    choice in the settings to play offline but I can no longer play the
    game.

    Maybe take a look at this before giving up. It's an older post (from
    six months ago) but sounds similar to your experience. I haven't
    followed any of the links but maybe it will be a good starting point
    to solve the issue.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/t53n81/unable_to_load_save_file_after_recent_update/

    *--

    I just did that a couple of times (validate game files). The first
    time it said everything was 100%. 2nd time, it stopped doing it.

    I select Browse the local game files and everything is there.

    I am going to uninstall it and reinstall it some day. The thing is, I
    play with a mouse and keyboard, not a controller, so it took me a very
    long time to get my configurartion just right to get this far.

    Thanks!

    -pw

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Sat Sep 3 21:18:39 2022
    On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 15:12:28 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    Time to move on to another game.

    I wanted an excuse to do that and even though I did want to move on >eventually, mostly to have something to contribute to Spalls thread
    here "What gave you been playing last month".

    Elden Ring updated itself via Steam and now the only option I have is
    "New Game" even though my save files are there. I try to move the
    cursor and the game quits and crashes.

    The new update forced me to play on-line and had all of these
    agreements to continue. I declined them, and was able to switch my
    choice in the settings to play offline but I can no longer play the
    game.

    Of course, I will NEVER buy a game from FROMSOFT and whomenver else
    they are associated with again after wastiing a big time of my spare
    time over the last year!

    Sorry to complain, but that is the plain truth!

    -pw

    *--

    I can't start Dark Souls 3 either. I press play, the screen flickers
    and it does not start.

    And I can start other games without a problem.

    So it is a FromSoftware thing that ruined hundreds and hundreds of
    hours of gameplay, research, studying. I know I was pretty close to
    the end of Elden Ring, finally. But I will never know!

    -pw

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 4 10:59:02 2022
    On 03/09/2022 22:12, PW wrote:
    Time to move on to another game.

    I wanted an excuse to do that and even though I did want to move on eventually, mostly to have something to contribute to Spalls thread
    here "What gave you been playing last month".

    Elden Ring updated itself via Steam and now the only option I have is
    "New Game" even though my save files are there. I try to move the
    cursor and the game quits and crashes.

    The new update forced me to play on-line and had all of these
    agreements to continue. I declined them, and was able to switch my
    choice in the settings to play offline but I can no longer play the
    game.

    Of course, I will NEVER buy a game from FROMSOFT and whomenver else
    they are associated with again after wastiing a big time of my spare
    time over the last year!

    Sorry to complain, but that is the plain truth!


    It's probaly worth creating a thread on the Steam forum to see if
    anybody can help out. Just to add, having a quite scan I didn't see
    anyone raising the issue so it sounds like it your installation problem
    not a game problem as such.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 4 09:22:33 2022
    On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:04:17 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
    On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 18:16:32 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
    <spallsh...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 15:12:28 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusing...@notinuse.com> wrote:

    Elden Ring updated itself via Steam and now the only option I have is >>"New Game" even though my save files are there. I try to move the
    cursor and the game quits and crashes.

    Dontcha hate when that happens?

    The new update forced me to play on-line and had all of these
    agreements to continue. I declined them, and was able to switch my
    choice in the settings to play offline but I can no longer play the
    game.

    Maybe take a look at this before giving up. It's an older post (from
    six months ago) but sounds similar to your experience. I haven't
    followed any of the links but maybe it will be a good starting point
    to solve the issue.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/t53n81/unable_to_load_save_file_after_recent_update/
    *--

    I just did that a couple of times (validate game files). The first
    time it said everything was 100%. 2nd time, it stopped doing it.

    I select Browse the local game files and everything is there.

    I am going to uninstall it and reinstall it some day. The thing is, I
    play with a mouse and keyboard, not a controller, so it took me a very
    long time to get my configurartion just right to get this far.

    Thanks!

    -pw

    Sorry to hear that PW. Yeah I don't have anything to add. Make sure you
    back up your save file. Uninstall, make sure the folders are deleted, and reinstall when you feel like it. If you get the game working and the
    save doesn't you can probably get a save from someone with most
    of the progress you had. It's not the same, I know, and I'd probably
    just start over or never play if that happened.

    - Justisaur

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Sep 4 14:00:16 2022
    On Sun, 4 Sep 2022 10:59:02 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 03/09/2022 22:12, PW wrote:
    Time to move on to another game.

    I wanted an excuse to do that and even though I did want to move on
    eventually, mostly to have something to contribute to Spalls thread
    here "What gave you been playing last month".

    Elden Ring updated itself via Steam and now the only option I have is
    "New Game" even though my save files are there. I try to move the
    cursor and the game quits and crashes.

    The new update forced me to play on-line and had all of these
    agreements to continue. I declined them, and was able to switch my
    choice in the settings to play offline but I can no longer play the
    game.

    Of course, I will NEVER buy a game from FROMSOFT and whomenver else
    they are associated with again after wastiing a big time of my spare
    time over the last year!

    Sorry to complain, but that is the plain truth!


    It's probaly worth creating a thread on the Steam forum to see if
    anybody can help out. Just to add, having a quite scan I didn't see
    anyone raising the issue so it sounds like it your installation problem
    not a game problem as such.


    *--

    Who knows what happened all of a sudden. The only thing I can think
    of is that I updated my video card drivers a few days ago. That has
    never harmed any other games.

    Back up and running!

    Thanks,

    -pw

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to justisaur@gmail.com on Sun Sep 4 13:58:51 2022
    On Sun, 4 Sep 2022 09:22:33 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
    <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:04:17 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
    On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 18:16:32 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
    <spallsh...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 15:12:28 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusing...@notinuse.com> wrote:

    Elden Ring updated itself via Steam and now the only option I have is
    "New Game" even though my save files are there. I try to move the
    cursor and the game quits and crashes.

    Dontcha hate when that happens?

    The new update forced me to play on-line and had all of these
    agreements to continue. I declined them, and was able to switch my
    choice in the settings to play offline but I can no longer play the
    game.

    Maybe take a look at this before giving up. It's an older post (from
    six months ago) but sounds similar to your experience. I haven't
    followed any of the links but maybe it will be a good starting point
    to solve the issue.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/t53n81/unable_to_load_save_file_after_recent_update/
    *--

    I just did that a couple of times (validate game files). The first
    time it said everything was 100%. 2nd time, it stopped doing it.

    I select Browse the local game files and everything is there.

    I am going to uninstall it and reinstall it some day. The thing is, I
    play with a mouse and keyboard, not a controller, so it took me a very
    long time to get my configurartion just right to get this far.

    Thanks!

    -pw

    Sorry to hear that PW. Yeah I don't have anything to add. Make sure you
    back up your save file. Uninstall, make sure the folders are deleted, and >reinstall when you feel like it. If you get the game working and the
    save doesn't you can probabl

    *--

    I did just that Justisaur and am back in business! I have a pretty
    thorough and complete save game routine that I have been doing for a
    while. Starting doing it a long time ago after learning where the
    save file is and losing lots and lots stuff. I learned from
    experience!

    So, I didn't lose too much progress. I think I now back at the
    entrance to Castle Sol at the Mountaintops at about the same status I
    was at (I think - I haven't checked everything out yet).

    :-)))))

    But, I have no idea what caused this problem in the first place! I
    didn't change a thing on my syste,

    Thanks!

    -pw

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 4 14:40:54 2022

    Sorry to hear that PW. Yeah I don't have anything to add. Make sure you
    back up your save file. Uninstall, make sure the folders are deleted, and >reinstall when you feel like it. If you get the game working and the
    save doesn't you can probably get a save from someone with most
    of the progress you had. It's not the same, I know, and I'd probably
    just start over or never play if that happened.

    - Justisaur


    *--

    Here is what worked. I uninstalled it within Steam, restored. Started
    up the game. Only option was New Game. Uninstalled it again,
    restored, then I got the option to continue a game. I had to
    redownload, copy my save game file in.

    Next, I was going to use Revo Uninstaller to do a complete uninstall
    of ER, redownload the game, restore and try that but I didn't have to.



    -pw

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 5 07:14:03 2022
    On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 1:40:58 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:

    Sorry to hear that PW. Yeah I don't have anything to add. Make sure you >back up your save file. Uninstall, make sure the folders are deleted, and >reinstall when you feel like it. If you get the game working and the
    save doesn't you can probably get a save from someone with most
    of the progress you had. It's not the same, I know, and I'd probably
    just start over or never play if that happened.

    - Justisaur
    *--

    Here is what worked. I uninstalled it within Steam, restored. Started
    up the game. Only option was New Game. Uninstalled it again,
    restored, then I got the option to continue a game. I had to
    redownload, copy my save game file in.

    Next, I was going to use Revo Uninstaller to do a complete uninstall
    of ER, redownload the game, restore and try that but I didn't have to.


    Glad to hear it worked! Glad you were making backups often, I'm not
    great at that myself. I've read a lot of horror stories on DS3 forums
    about saves/game being corrupted, so I've got a few at least. They
    really ought to build a backup system into the games. Blue Sentinel
    did backups when it was working for DS3.

    I've pretty much given up on DS3 again as the PVP cheating is rampant,
    Blue Sentinel doesn't work with the update, and the maker of it said
    it's going to be a long time, if ever, they get around to making it work. I'm almost tempted to get a PlayStation so I can play it without all (most?)
    of the cheaters, and still play Co-op/PVP. Either that or see if there's
    some way to emulate one and play online (doubtful.)

    - Justisaur

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  • From rms@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 5 16:05:37 2022
    I did just that Justisaur and am back in business!

    Good to hear, I think it's worth finishing :)

    rms

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 6 11:12:07 2022
    Am 03.09.22 um 23:12 schrieb PW:
    Of course, I will NEVER buy a game from FROMSOFT and whomenver else
    they are associated with again after wastiing a big time of my spare
    time over the last year!

    Sorry to complain, but that is the plain truth!

    Ouch, I really feel sorry for you, that must hurt.

    I had it worse in the early 90s when I was working actively on a
    university project and my filesystem went haywire (fat back then oh joy).
    I can remember spending days on a sector scanning program to restore the
    code on sector level.
    I could recover 95% of the code and wrap up the assignment.
    But that really hurt and the only time when I literally started to cry
    in my early 20s.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Tue Sep 6 12:09:03 2022
    On Tue, 6 Sep 2022 11:12:07 +0200, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:

    Am 03.09.22 um 23:12 schrieb PW:
    Of course, I will NEVER buy a game from FROMSOFT and whomenver else
    they are associated with again after wastiing a big time of my spare
    time over the last year!

    Sorry to complain, but that is the plain truth!

    Ouch, I really feel sorry for you, that must hurt.

    I had it worse in the early 90s when I was working actively on a
    university project and my filesystem went haywire (fat back then oh joy).
    I can remember spending days on a sector scanning program to restore the
    code on sector level.

    I could recover 95% of the code and wrap up the assignment.
    But that really hurt and the only time when I literally started to cry
    in my early 20s.

    And that's when you learned about the importance of back-ups ;-)

    (Because that sort of story is how /everyone/ learns about the
    importance of back-ups. I don't think anyone has started using a
    back-up -beyond it being forced on them by some outside agency-
    /without/ a story like that.)

    But I feel your pain. If I could afford it - both in terms of space as
    well as cost - I'd use RAID6 for everything and have redundant backups
    for that. The frustration of losing data is agonizing... especially
    since you never notice its lost until you absolutely, positively must
    have it now.

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 7 07:18:51 2022
    Am 06.09.22 um 18:09 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
    And that's when you learned about the importance of back-ups;-)

    (Because that sort of story is how/everyone/ learns about the
    importance of back-ups. I don't think anyone has started using a
    back-up -beyond it being forced on them by some outside agency-
    /without/ a story like that.)

    But I feel your pain. If I could afford it - both in terms of space as
    well as cost - I'd use RAID6 for everything and have redundant backups
    for that. The frustration of losing data is agonizing... especially
    since you never notice its lost until you absolutely, positively must
    have it now.
    Indeed, I now have a private raid nas at home for everything which is
    needed to be backed up (except steam where the net is the save backup)
    But back then... poor student well my fault anyway, I should have known
    better and did.
    But the pain was real! I can imagine spending 300+ hours on a game and
    lose your saves with an update, ouch!
    That would be the point where I "play" the endgame via an arbitrary
    youtuber.

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 7 20:13:49 2022
    On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 16:05:37 -0600, "rms" <rsquiresMOO@MOOflashMOO.net>
    wrote:

    I did just that Justisaur and am back in business!

    Good to hear, I think it's worth finishing :)

    rms

    *--

    Not sure. I think all my hard work has gotten myself pretty good
    stats, incantations, weapons, talismans, spirits, etc.. but I am
    having more trouble with the boss at Castle Sol than I have had with
    anyone so far. The next hardest is the darn Erdtree at Dragonfork.

    I think what it has come down to myself is that the risk-reward factor
    is not really worth it any more.

    I am starting to pick and choose my areas and battles but I have been
    doing that for a hundred hours or so now so I think I may give it up!

    Thanks rms.

    -pw

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to justisaur@gmail.com on Wed Sep 7 20:23:30 2022
    On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 07:14:03 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
    <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 1:40:58 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:

    Sorry to hear that PW. Yeah I don't have anything to add. Make sure you
    back up your save file. Uninstall, make sure the folders are deleted, and >> >reinstall when you feel like it. If you get the game working and the
    save doesn't you can probably get a save from someone with most
    of the progress you had. It's not the same, I know, and I'd probably
    just start over or never play if that happened.

    - Justisaur
    *--

    Here is what worked. I uninstalled it within Steam, restored. Started
    up the game. Only option was New Game. Uninstalled it again,
    restored, then I got the option to continue a game. I had to
    redownload, copy my save game file in.

    Next, I was going to use Revo Uninstaller to do a complete uninstall
    of ER, redownload the game, restore and try that but I didn't have to.


    Glad to hear it worked! Glad you were making backups often, I'm not
    great at that myself. I've read a lot of horror stories on DS3 forums
    about saves/game being corrupted, so I've got a few at least. They
    really ought to build a backup system into the games. Blue Sentinel
    did backups when it was working for DS3.

    I've pretty much given up on DS3 again as the PVP cheating is rampant,
    Blue Sentinel doesn't work with the update, and the maker of it said
    it's going to be a long time, if ever, they get around to making it work. I'm >almost tempted to get a PlayStation so I can play it without all (most?)
    of the cheaters, and still play Co-op/PVP. Either that or see if there's >some way to emulate one and play online (doubtful.)

    - Justisaur


    *---

    I remember you saying that afer playing Cyberpunk that the Dark Souls
    games were looking pretty bad.

    I think the graphics in ER are impressive but also think they are
    washed out (especially when compared to God of War), and DS3's
    graphics are worst. DS: Prepare To Die look about as bad to me as the
    original Castle Wolfenstein! :-)

    But, I also remember that you had an old graphics card when playing
    DS3 and maybe ER that looked terrible and also caused CTDs a lot.

    -pw

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Wed Sep 7 20:44:06 2022
    On Tue, 6 Sep 2022 11:12:07 +0200, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:

    Am 03.09.22 um 23:12 schrieb PW:
    Of course, I will NEVER buy a game from FROMSOFT and whomenver else
    they are associated with again after wastiing a big time of my spare
    time over the last year!

    Sorry to complain, but that is the plain truth!

    Ouch, I really feel sorry for you, that must hurt.

    I had it worse in the early 90s when I was working actively on a
    university project and my filesystem went haywire (fat back then oh joy).
    I can remember spending days on a sector scanning program to restore the
    code on sector level.
    I could recover 95% of the code and wrap up the assignment.
    But that really hurt and the only time when I literally started to cry
    in my early 20s.


    *--

    Oh my gosh Werner!

    I have been writing database systems since the late 1980s. I remember
    having to fly all night to a client (not mine) because some idiot did
    not back up anything on the IBM System 38/ AS 400. Back to back 24-36
    hour shifts trying to recover all the data and rewrite and fix some of
    the programs.

    -pw

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 8 07:48:44 2022
    On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 7:23:33 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
    On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 07:14:03 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
    <just...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 1:40:58 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:

    Sorry to hear that PW. Yeah I don't have anything to add. Make sure you >> >back up your save file. Uninstall, make sure the folders are deleted, and >> >reinstall when you feel like it. If you get the game working and the
    save doesn't you can probably get a save from someone with most
    of the progress you had. It's not the same, I know, and I'd probably
    just start over or never play if that happened.

    - Justisaur
    *--

    Here is what worked. I uninstalled it within Steam, restored. Started
    up the game. Only option was New Game. Uninstalled it again,
    restored, then I got the option to continue a game. I had to
    redownload, copy my save game file in.

    Next, I was going to use Revo Uninstaller to do a complete uninstall
    of ER, redownload the game, restore and try that but I didn't have to.


    Glad to hear it worked! Glad you were making backups often, I'm not
    great at that myself. I've read a lot of horror stories on DS3 forums
    about saves/game being corrupted, so I've got a few at least. They
    really ought to build a backup system into the games. Blue Sentinel
    did backups when it was working for DS3.

    I've pretty much given up on DS3 again as the PVP cheating is rampant,
    Blue Sentinel doesn't work with the update, and the maker of it said
    it's going to be a long time, if ever, they get around to making it work. I'm
    almost tempted to get a PlayStation so I can play it without all (most?)
    of the cheaters, and still play Co-op/PVP. Either that or see if there's >some way to emulate one and play online (doubtful.)

    - Justisaur
    *---

    I remember you saying that afer playing Cyberpunk that the Dark Souls
    games were looking pretty bad.

    I think the graphics in ER are impressive but also think they are
    washed out (especially when compared to God of War), and DS3's
    graphics are worst. DS: Prepare To Die look about as bad to me as the original Castle Wolfenstein! :-)

    But, I also remember that you had an old graphics card when playing
    DS3 and maybe ER that looked terrible and also caused CTDs a lot.

    I have a 3060 Ti now, Cyberpunk looks amazing, but the city is a shithole,
    so most of it looks like a shithole, which defeats the great graphics, but there's bits that look great. ER looks... o.k. I guess, occasional great looking things, the area it starts you off in is good, unfortunately I played that area mostly with my old card. DS3 looks pretty bad, mostly vegetation that gets me, but got used to it pretty quick.

    I did play DS 1 remaster a little before the servers went down, and before
    I had the 3060 Ti, but the graphics were still maxed out as it's pretty old. I'm not sure if it was an improvement over the previous version, it looks
    more cartoony than the Prepare to Die edition.

    I'm not much of a visuals guy, I'll take game play over visuals every day,
    I play and enjoy a lot of 8-bit indy games. I do enjoy better visuals, but
    it doesn't really move the needle on if I like a game. Bad art direction, especially cartoony turns me off though - like WoW.

    - Justisaur

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 8 15:29:46 2022
    I'm not much of a visuals guy, I'll take game play over visuals every day,
    I play and enjoy a lot of 8-bit indy games. I do enjoy better visuals, but >it doesn't really move the needle on if I like a game. Bad art direction, >especially cartoony turns me off though - like WoW.

    - Justisaur

    *--

    Well, I thought I would get out of my shell and try some on-line
    gaming. The two dudes in the latest PC Gamer gave HUNT: Showdown #6
    of thier Top 100 so I thought I would try it. Well, speaking of
    graphics, I have not tried playing it on-line but only a couple of
    training scenerios. I think the graphics look worse than the Deer
    Hunter series in the early 90s did.

    I also thought I would try "Teardown" to see what that is all about.
    The graphics look NOTHING like the Steam screenshots. They look worse
    than the original MineCraft as far as I am concerned. And I got sick
    of running around with a chainsaw with no clue what to do. I thought
    it was about taking down buildings like you see companies do around
    various cities. That seems like something that requires brain power
    and lots of planning I sort of wish I chose to become some sort of
    Engineer or Architect.

    I am not going to spend another minute of my time trying to figure out
    that game!

    -pw

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 8 15:17:19 2022
    nd maybe ER that looked terrible and also caused CTDs a lot.

    I have a 3060 Ti now, Cyberpunk looks amazing, but the city is a shithole,
    so most of it looks like a shithole, which defeats the great graphics, but >there's bits that look great. ER looks... o.k. I guess, occasional great >looking things, the area it starts you off in is good, unfortunately I played >that area mostly with my old card. DS3 looks pretty bad, mostly vegetation >that gets me, but got used to it pretty quick.

    I did play DS 1 remaster a little before the servers went down, and before
    I had the 3060 Ti, but the graphics were still maxed out as it's pretty old. >I'm not sure if it was an improvement over the previous version, it looks >more cartoony than the Prepare to Die edition.

    I'm not much of a visuals guy, I'll take game play over visuals every day,
    I play and enjoy a lot of 8-bit indy games. I do enjoy better visuals, but >it doesn't really move the needle on if I like a game. Bad art direction, >especially cartoony turns me off though - like WoW.

    - Justisaur

    *--

    Then maybe "board" games are for you :-)

    I can't stand these Japanese or whatever cartoony graphics or anything
    like it. And all "modern" (for the last two or three centuries! {-))
    cartoon type graphics.

    Manja art, or the stuff that looks like anything like it. It has
    taken over the graphics industry and I hate the stuff.

    -pw

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Thu Sep 8 15:19:09 2022
    On Tue, 06 Sep 2022 12:09:03 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 6 Sep 2022 11:12:07 +0200, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:

    Am 03.09.22 um 23:12 schrieb PW:
    Of course, I will NEVER buy a game from FROMSOFT and whomenver else
    they are associated with again after wastiing a big time of my spare
    time over the last year!

    Sorry to complain, but that is the plain truth!

    Ouch, I really feel sorry for you, that must hurt.

    I had it worse in the early 90s when I was working actively on a
    university project and my filesystem went haywire (fat back then oh joy).
    I can remember spending days on a sector scanning program to restore the >>code on sector level.

    I could recover 95% of the code and wrap up the assignment.
    But that really hurt and the only time when I literally started to cry
    in my early 20s.

    And that's when you learned about the importance of back-ups ;-)

    (Because that sort of story is how /everyone/ learns about the
    importance of back-ups. I don't think anyone has started using a
    back-up -beyond it being forced on them by some outside agency-
    /without/ a story like that.)

    But I feel your pain. If I could afford it - both in terms of space as
    well as cost - I'd use RAID6 for everything and have redundant backups
    for that. The frustration of losing data is agonizing... especially
    since you never notice its lost until you absolutely, positively must
    have it now.



    *--

    I never could get RAID working in the 90s and early 2000's and as far
    as I could tell, neither could the profressionals!

    The timing was too tricky from what I remember.

    -pw

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 8 15:04:24 2022
    On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 2:17:21 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
    nd maybe ER that looked terrible and also caused CTDs a lot.

    I have a 3060 Ti now, Cyberpunk looks amazing, but the city is a shithole, >so most of it looks like a shithole, which defeats the great graphics, but >there's bits that look great. ER looks... o.k. I guess, occasional great >looking things, the area it starts you off in is good, unfortunately I played
    that area mostly with my old card. DS3 looks pretty bad, mostly vegetation >that gets me, but got used to it pretty quick.

    I did play DS 1 remaster a little before the servers went down, and before >I had the 3060 Ti, but the graphics were still maxed out as it's pretty old. >I'm not sure if it was an improvement over the previous version, it looks >more cartoony than the Prepare to Die edition.

    I'm not much of a visuals guy, I'll take game play over visuals every day, >I play and enjoy a lot of 8-bit indy games. I do enjoy better visuals, but >it doesn't really move the needle on if I like a game. Bad art direction, >especially cartoony turns me off though - like WoW.

    - Justisaur
    *--

    Then maybe "board" games are for you :-)

    I used to love board games as a kid, but when I started playing with my kids, even some of the games I loved, I found they didn't live up to the nostalgia, and I didn't really care for any of them. I even got to play Talisman with my friends a few years back and it didn't live up to my memories in my 20's either.

    I can't stand these Japanese or whatever cartoony graphics or anything
    like it. And all "modern" (for the last two or three centuries! {-))
    cartoon type graphics.

    WoW's not Japanese, but I hate the style. Unfortunately it's been popular
    for some reason and thus frequently copied. I suppose Borderlands is
    cartoony in a way, at least it has the bold outlines of a comic book,
    but I never found it bad. I kind of like City of Heroes too, but it fits there.

    Manja art, or the stuff that looks like anything like it. It has
    taken over the graphics industry and I hate the stuff.

    I watch some anime (mostly because there's a lot of it on Netflix and Prime,
    I wouldn't go out of my way for any of it otherwise). It doesn't bother me there, but when I get it in a computer game, I can't seem to get past it. Monster Hunter, and Code Vein, both supposedly great souls-like games,
    I just couldn't get into and I suspect it's the art (and in MH even the dialog) it just turns me off. Code Vein's not as bad, but it's still there.

    - Justisaur

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 8 15:06:47 2022
    On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 2:29:48 PM UTC-7, PW wrote:
    I'm not much of a visuals guy, I'll take game play over visuals every day, >I play and enjoy a lot of 8-bit indy games. I do enjoy better visuals, but >it doesn't really move the needle on if I like a game. Bad art direction, >especially cartoony turns me off though - like WoW.

    - Justisaur
    *--

    Well, I thought I would get out of my shell and try some on-line
    gaming. The two dudes in the latest PC Gamer gave HUNT: Showdown #6
    of thier Top 100 so I thought I would try it. Well, speaking of
    graphics, I have not tried playing it on-line but only a couple of
    training scenerios. I think the graphics look worse than the Deer
    Hunter series in the early 90s did.

    I also thought I would try "Teardown" to see what that is all about.
    The graphics look NOTHING like the Steam screenshots. They look worse
    than the original MineCraft as far as I am concerned. And I got sick
    of running around with a chainsaw with no clue what to do. I thought
    it was about taking down buildings like you see companies do around
    various cities. That seems like something that requires brain power
    and lots of planning I sort of wish I chose to become some sort of
    Engineer or Architect.

    I am not going to spend another minute of my time trying to figure out
    that game!

    You could always watch some videos on how to play. I saw one of
    the youtubers I was watching for Cyberpunk switched to Teardown.
    I didn't watch any, as I was only watching for the Cyberpunk.

    - Justisaur

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Fri Sep 9 10:33:50 2022
    On 08/09/2022 23:04, Justisaur wrote:
    I used to love board games as a kid, but when I started playing with my kids, even some of the games I loved, I found they didn't live up to the nostalgia, and I didn't really care for any of them. I even got to play Talisman with my
    friends a few years back and it didn't live up to my memories in my 20's either.

    I used to play a lot of boardgames but now it's just PC ports vs. the AI
    which although I enjoy it obviously lacks the social element. It's one
    of those things I would like to get back into but there's always that
    problem of finding a group of people to play with that you also want to
    play with!

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Sep 10 22:06:10 2022
    On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 10:33:50 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 08/09/2022 23:04, Justisaur wrote:
    I used to love board games as a kid, but when I started playing with my kids,
    even some of the games I loved, I found they didn't live up to the nostalgia,
    and I didn't really care for any of them. I even got to play Talisman with my
    friends a few years back and it didn't live up to my memories in my 20's
    either.

    I used to play a lot of boardgames but now it's just PC ports vs. the AI >which although I enjoy it obviously lacks the social element. It's one
    of those things I would like to get back into but there's always that
    problem of finding a group of people to play with that you also want to
    play with!


    *-

    Well JAB, I think we have about 8 hours or more difference! Maybe we
    can play by mail. Do people still do that?

    -pw

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 11 11:08:13 2022
    On 11/09/2022 05:06, PW wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 10:33:50 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 08/09/2022 23:04, Justisaur wrote:
    I used to love board games as a kid, but when I started playing with my kids,
    even some of the games I loved, I found they didn't live up to the nostalgia,
    and I didn't really care for any of them. I even got to play Talisman with my
    friends a few years back and it didn't live up to my memories in my 20's >>> either.

    I used to play a lot of boardgames but now it's just PC ports vs. the AI
    which although I enjoy it obviously lacks the social element. It's one
    of those things I would like to get back into but there's always that
    problem of finding a group of people to play with that you also want to
    play with!


    *-

    Well JAB, I think we have about 8 hours or more difference! Maybe we
    can play by mail. Do people still do that?


    They certainly do and I've done it myself. Obviously pretty much
    everything has now moved to PBEM or even a dedicated server app. It's
    does get around the problem of finding other players and overall I've
    had a good experience with it but I did have one very bad one with
    Combat Mission:II. I had never really tried it before so I was more than
    happy to let the other player set-up the game. A big mistake as they
    pretty much gamed it so that I as the Russians were at a sever
    disadvantage and it was only about halfway through I realised what was
    going on.

    Generally though, whether it's good kinda depends on what game it is in particular there's lots of board games now that are quite fast paced so
    They don't really work. One oddity I've found is Diplomacy as because,
    as the name implies, diplomacy between players is really important and
    only having two or three turns a week really gives you the time to make
    plans with other players.

    As an aside a PBM (yes the one that involves pieces of paper and stamps)
    I played when I was much younger, It's A Crime, is still going though it
    is now as you may expect PBEM.

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Sep 11 20:49:08 2022
    On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 11:08:13 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 11/09/2022 05:06, PW wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Sep 2022 10:33:50 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 08/09/2022 23:04, Justisaur wrote:
    I used to love board games as a kid, but when I started playing with my kids,
    even some of the games I loved, I found they didn't live up to the nostalgia,
    and I didn't really care for any of them. I even got to play Talisman with my
    friends a few years back and it didn't live up to my memories in my 20's >>>> either.

    I used to play a lot of boardgames but now it's just PC ports vs. the AI >>> which although I enjoy it obviously lacks the social element. It's one
    of those things I would like to get back into but there's always that
    problem of finding a group of people to play with that you also want to
    play with!


    *-

    Well JAB, I think we have about 8 hours or more difference! Maybe we
    can play by mail. Do people still do that?


    They certainly do and I've done it myself. Obviously pretty much
    everything has now moved to PBEM or even a dedicated server app. It's
    does get around the problem of finding other players and overall I've
    had a good experience with it but I did have one very bad one with
    Combat Mission:II. I had never really tried it before so I was more than >happy to let the other player set-up the game. A big mistake as they
    pretty much gamed it so that I as the Russians were at a sever
    disadvantage and it was only about halfway through I realised what was
    going on.

    Generally though, whether it's good kinda depends on what game it is in >particular there's lots of board games now that are quite fast paced so
    They don't really work. One oddity I've found is Diplomacy as because,
    as the name implies, diplomacy between players is really important and
    only having two or three turns a week really gives you the time to make
    plans with other players.

    As an aside a PBM (yes the one that involves pieces of paper and stamps)
    I played when I was much younger, It's A Crime, is still going though it
    is now as you may expect PBEM.


    *-

    Interesting. Combat Mission 2 sounds familiar.

    Thanks.

    -pw

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 12 09:09:40 2022
    On 12/09/2022 03:49, PW wrote:
    Interesting. Combat Mission 2 sounds familiar.

    Thanks.

    It's looking a bit long in the tooth now (the graphics weren't even very
    good to start with) but they are still good games as an example of
    instead recreating a tabletop wargame they use the abilities of a PC. So
    it's set at the tactical level (squads/individual vehicles), you issue
    your orders, each lasts a minute, on a 3d map and then it uses WEGO to
    resolve them.

    One of the biggest issues I found with it is the AI. It's fine on the
    defence but in the attack role, well the less said the better. Saying
    that, it's a pretty common problem with wargames especially tactical
    level ones.

    The are much newer versions of it (although in the Normandy theatre) but unfortunately they've gone down the route of slicing what would have
    been a base game into base game + DLC's. For what I want that comes in
    at $110, which isn't cheap.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Sep 12 14:15:54 2022
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 09:09:40 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 12/09/2022 03:49, PW wrote:
    Interesting. Combat Mission 2 sounds familiar.

    Thanks.

    It's looking a bit long in the tooth now (the graphics weren't even very
    good to start with) but they are still good games as an example of
    instead recreating a tabletop wargame they use the abilities of a PC. So
    it's set at the tactical level (squads/individual vehicles), you issue
    your orders, each lasts a minute, on a 3d map and then it uses WEGO to >resolve them.


    Oh man, Combat Mission 2... that takes me back. Those were such fun
    games. Fairly unique (for their time) with their large maps and 3D
    assets; this was the era of sprite-based RTS games with tiny maps, and
    having a combat zone that could include several scale-accurate
    villages was really impressive. It was - considering its depth - a
    fairly streamlined game too; in many ways, it felt like playing X-Com
    (the original), except with a lot more options.

    Games like "Combat Mission", "Close Combat" and "Panzer General"
    really pushed traditional wargames away from the old 'push-tiles-across-the-board' style and into a more immersive format
    that was more immersive and palatable to the general public.
    Unfortunately, they got caught up in the great RTS-crash of the late
    2000s (probably helped by the increasing pre-eminence of consoles,
    which are a poor platform for that style of game) and the genre is
    only starting to make a comeback.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Tue Sep 13 10:18:16 2022
    On 12/09/2022 19:15, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 09:09:40 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 12/09/2022 03:49, PW wrote:
    Interesting. Combat Mission 2 sounds familiar.

    Thanks.

    It's looking a bit long in the tooth now (the graphics weren't even very
    good to start with) but they are still good games as an example of
    instead recreating a tabletop wargame they use the abilities of a PC. So
    it's set at the tactical level (squads/individual vehicles), you issue
    your orders, each lasts a minute, on a 3d map and then it uses WEGO to
    resolve them.


    Oh man, Combat Mission 2... that takes me back. Those were such fun
    games. Fairly unique (for their time) with their large maps and 3D
    assets; this was the era of sprite-based RTS games with tiny maps, and
    having a combat zone that could include several scale-accurate
    villages was really impressive. It was - considering its depth - a
    fairly streamlined game too; in many ways, it felt like playing X-Com
    (the original), except with a lot more options.

    Games like "Combat Mission", "Close Combat" and "Panzer General"
    really pushed traditional wargames away from the old 'push-tiles-across-the-board' style and into a more immersive format
    that was more immersive and palatable to the general public.
    Unfortunately, they got caught up in the great RTS-crash of the late
    2000s (probably helped by the increasing pre-eminence of consoles,
    which are a poor platform for that style of game) and the genre is
    only starting to make a comeback.


    I played a lot of the first two in the series but I think what it
    suffers from is is what a lot of wargames do that try and use what a PC
    can offer. They aren't accessible enough to get gamers from other genres interested and wargamers seem to just want another hex + counters type
    of game. Then you have the problem that development costs are just going
    to be higher. J Tiller games are a good example, use pretty much the
    same engine to crank out yet another time conflict and them sell them
    for £30 a pop. If you compare that to say Command Ops 2*, well lets just
    say development costs are going to be higher.

    *A wonderful game as it recreates the feeling of being in command far
    better than anything I've seen.

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Sep 16 11:57:46 2022
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 09:09:40 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 12/09/2022 03:49, PW wrote:
    Interesting. Combat Mission 2 sounds familiar.

    Thanks.

    It's looking a bit long in the tooth now (the graphics weren't even very
    good to start with) but they are still good games as an example of
    instead recreating a tabletop wargame they use the abilities of a PC. So
    it's set at the tactical level (squads/individual vehicles), you issue
    your orders, each lasts a minute, on a 3d map and then it uses WEGO to >resolve them.

    One of the biggest issues I found with it is the AI. It's fine on the
    defence but in the attack role, well the less said the better. Saying
    that, it's a pretty common problem with wargames especially tactical
    level ones.

    The are much newer versions of it (although in the Normandy theatre) but >unfortunately they've gone down the route of slicing what would have
    been a base game into base game + DLC's. For what I want that comes in
    at $110, which isn't cheap.



    *--

    Was Combat Mission 2 ever an Avalon Hill board games? I am visioning
    the cover of one war game.

    I wish I had the game cartridges for my Atari ST (which I still have
    with a black and white and a color monitor in my closet). There was
    one war game that I used to schlep up evewrything to Maine to play
    with a friend and his two young sons. I think it was mostly a top
    down, board like, turn-based game but we loved it. Very strategic.

    -pw

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Fri Sep 16 12:01:36 2022
    On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 14:15:54 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 09:09:40 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 12/09/2022 03:49, PW wrote:
    Interesting. Combat Mission 2 sounds familiar.

    Thanks.

    It's looking a bit long in the tooth now (the graphics weren't even very >>good to start with) but they are still good games as an example of
    instead recreating a tabletop wargame they use the abilities of a PC. So >>it's set at the tactical level (squads/individual vehicles), you issue
    your orders, each lasts a minute, on a 3d map and then it uses WEGO to >>resolve them.


    Oh man, Combat Mission 2... that takes me back. Those were such fun
    games. Fairly unique (for their time) with their large maps and 3D
    assets; this was the era of sprite-based RTS games with tiny maps, and
    having a combat zone that could include several scale-accurate
    villages was really impressive. It was - considering its depth - a
    fairly streamlined game too; in many ways, it felt like playing X-Com
    (the original), except with a lot more options.

    Games like "Combat Mission", "Close Combat" and "Panzer General"
    really pushed traditional wargames away from the old >'push-tiles-across-the-board' style and into a more immersive format
    that was more immersive and palatable to the general public.
    Unfortunately, they got caught up in the great RTS-crash of the late
    2000s (probably helped by the increasing pre-eminence of consoles,
    which are a poor platform for that style of game) and the genre is
    only starting to make a comeback.


    *--

    I have a few war games via Steam like Unity of Command 2 and Hearts of
    Iron 4 but I guess I am too lazy to learn how to play them now.

    -pw

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 18 11:00:28 2022
    On 16/09/2022 18:57, PW wrote:
    Was Combat Mission 2 ever an Avalon Hill board games? I am visioning
    the cover of one war game.

    Nope, it's a PC game and one that is pretty much impossible to play as a
    TT one due to the mechanics.

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