• Meanwhile, on the hardware front...

    From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 25 19:35:19 2022
    Just so people don't think my scrounging always pays off...

    Another two weeks, another two monitors.

    The first - I forget the brand - was unimpressive kit, but scroungers
    can't be choosers, and anyway, monitor #4 is showing signs of its age,
    so any replacement is welcome. That monitor mostly just gets used
    (virtual) post-its and various monitor program outputs, so high
    refresh and life-like color quality isn't a must anyway. Not that it
    mattered; my find was dead-on-arrival. I think it was the lamp. That's
    actually not that difficult a fix, but then I'd have to go to the
    bother of buying the right part and that's sort of against the whole
    idea of the scrounge.

    My second find was a Dell monitor: 24 in* / 75Mhz. Not one of their
    higher-end models, but capable enough and I wasn't about to turn my
    nose up at it, especially since it also boasted an extra 4 USB3
    sockets. Alas, while the monitor technically worked, there was
    evidence of significant water damage; there were screen splotches
    everywhere. Again, it's possible to repair the damage (and without
    having to buy any new parts even!), but it's a tricky and imperfect
    process and - frankly - I'm just not into making that sort of effort.

    So, two up and two down (that's a baseball metaphor I think?). Anyway,
    even if I don't get any use out of them, it's better this way. They
    /were/ headed for landfill; now they're headed to e-waste collection
    instead where, hopefully, at least some of their components might get
    reused.

    The scrounge continues...



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    * TVs and monitors... the last refuge of the inch?

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Aug 26 07:52:25 2022
    On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 4:35:26 PM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    Just so people don't think my scrounging always pays off...

    Another two weeks, another two monitors.

    The first - I forget the brand - was unimpressive kit, but scroungers
    can't be choosers, and anyway, monitor #4 is showing signs of its age,
    so any replacement is welcome. That monitor mostly just gets used
    (virtual) post-its and various monitor program outputs, so high
    refresh and life-like color quality isn't a must anyway. Not that it mattered; my find was dead-on-arrival. I think it was the lamp. That's actually not that difficult a fix, but then I'd have to go to the
    bother of buying the right part and that's sort of against the whole
    idea of the scrounge.

    My second find was a Dell monitor: 24 in* / 75Mhz. Not one of their higher-end models, but capable enough and I wasn't about to turn my
    nose up at it, especially since it also boasted an extra 4 USB3
    sockets. Alas, while the monitor technically worked, there was
    evidence of significant water damage; there were screen splotches
    everywhere. Again, it's possible to repair the damage (and without
    having to buy any new parts even!), but it's a tricky and imperfect
    process and - frankly - I'm just not into making that sort of effort.

    So, two up and two down (that's a baseball metaphor I think?). Anyway,
    even if I don't get any use out of them, it's better this way. They
    /were/ headed for landfill; now they're headed to e-waste collection
    instead where, hopefully, at least some of their components might get
    reused.

    The scrounge continues...



    ----------
    * TVs and monitors... the last refuge of the inch?

    Wow, where are you you keep finding monitors out on the curb?

    Wed was our large item pickup day, I did see a huge TV out, they
    even had it in a box, not sure how big, but I didn't even think of
    taking it home, and just assumed it was broken. Not that I have
    room for another one. I've got a 42" gathering dust in the garage
    already, and something like 8 19" monitors from work I'm storing
    for them since we closed the office to go permanent work from
    home, but I can use them until I need to give them out for
    replacements if I want, but I don't want. If I had room on my
    desk for one, I'd use it. I might just barely get it to fit in portrait
    mode now that I think about it.

    - Justisaur

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Fri Aug 26 11:46:21 2022
    On 8/26/2022 7:52 AM, Justisaur wrote:
    On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 4:35:26 PM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    Just so people don't think my scrounging always pays off...

    Another two weeks, another two monitors.

    The first - I forget the brand - was unimpressive kit, but scroungers
    can't be choosers, and anyway, monitor #4 is showing signs of its age,
    so any replacement is welcome. That monitor mostly just gets used
    (virtual) post-its and various monitor program outputs, so high
    refresh and life-like color quality isn't a must anyway. Not that it
    mattered; my find was dead-on-arrival. I think it was the lamp. That's
    actually not that difficult a fix, but then I'd have to go to the
    bother of buying the right part and that's sort of against the whole
    idea of the scrounge.

    My second find was a Dell monitor: 24 in* / 75Mhz. Not one of their
    higher-end models, but capable enough and I wasn't about to turn my
    nose up at it, especially since it also boasted an extra 4 USB3
    sockets. Alas, while the monitor technically worked, there was
    evidence of significant water damage; there were screen splotches
    everywhere. Again, it's possible to repair the damage (and without
    having to buy any new parts even!), but it's a tricky and imperfect
    process and - frankly - I'm just not into making that sort of effort.

    So, two up and two down (that's a baseball metaphor I think?). Anyway,
    even if I don't get any use out of them, it's better this way. They
    /were/ headed for landfill; now they're headed to e-waste collection
    instead where, hopefully, at least some of their components might get
    reused.

    The scrounge continues...



    ----------
    * TVs and monitors... the last refuge of the inch?

    Wow, where are you you keep finding monitors out on the curb?

    Wed was our large item pickup day, I did see a huge TV out, they
    even had it in a box, not sure how big, but I didn't even think of
    taking it home, and just assumed it was broken. Not that I have
    room for another one. I've got a 42" gathering dust in the garage
    already, and something like 8 19" monitors from work I'm storing
    for them since we closed the office to go permanent work from
    home, but I can use them until I need to give them out for
    replacements if I want, but I don't want. If I had room on my
    desk for one, I'd use it. I might just barely get it to fit in portrait
    mode now that I think about it.

    You need a bigger desk. I've got a pair of 27" monitors on mine with
    room still for the printer, tower case and working space.


    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Fri Aug 26 17:22:12 2022
    On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 11:46:21 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 8/26/2022 7:52 AM, Justisaur wrote:
    On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 4:35:26 PM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote: >>> Just so people don't think my scrounging always pays off...

    Another two weeks, another two monitors.

    The first - I forget the brand - was unimpressive kit, but scroungers
    can't be choosers, and anyway, monitor #4 is showing signs of its age,
    so any replacement is welcome. That monitor mostly just gets used
    (virtual) post-its and various monitor program outputs, so high
    refresh and life-like color quality isn't a must anyway. Not that it
    mattered; my find was dead-on-arrival. I think it was the lamp. That's
    actually not that difficult a fix, but then I'd have to go to the
    bother of buying the right part and that's sort of against the whole
    idea of the scrounge.

    My second find was a Dell monitor: 24 in* / 75Mhz. Not one of their
    higher-end models, but capable enough and I wasn't about to turn my
    nose up at it, especially since it also boasted an extra 4 USB3
    sockets. Alas, while the monitor technically worked, there was
    evidence of significant water damage; there were screen splotches
    everywhere. Again, it's possible to repair the damage (and without
    having to buy any new parts even!), but it's a tricky and imperfect
    process and - frankly - I'm just not into making that sort of effort.

    So, two up and two down (that's a baseball metaphor I think?). Anyway,
    even if I don't get any use out of them, it's better this way. They
    /were/ headed for landfill; now they're headed to e-waste collection
    instead where, hopefully, at least some of their components might get
    reused.

    The scrounge continues...



    ----------
    * TVs and monitors... the last refuge of the inch?

    Wow, where are you you keep finding monitors out on the curb?

    Wed was our large item pickup day, I did see a huge TV out, they
    even had it in a box, not sure how big, but I didn't even think of
    taking it home, and just assumed it was broken. Not that I have
    room for another one. I've got a 42" gathering dust in the garage
    already, and something like 8 19" monitors from work I'm storing
    for them since we closed the office to go permanent work from
    home, but I can use them until I need to give them out for
    replacements if I want, but I don't want. If I had room on my
    desk for one, I'd use it. I might just barely get it to fit in portrait
    mode now that I think about it.

    You need a bigger desk. I've got a pair of 27" monitors on mine with
    room still for the printer, tower case and working space.

    But be warned: once you go multiple-monitor, you can't go back. I've
    introduced literal dozens of people to the idea and every single one
    of them that I have asked has emphatically asserted that they'd not
    want to go back to a single monitor set-up.

    So get your desk situation in order first, because dual (or more)
    monitor setups are frighteningly addictive. ;-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Fri Aug 26 14:53:27 2022
    On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 11:46:22 AM UTC-7, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 8/26/2022 7:52 AM, Justisaur wrote:
    On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 4:35:26 PM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    Just so people don't think my scrounging always pays off...

    Another two weeks, another two monitors.

    The first - I forget the brand - was unimpressive kit, but scroungers
    can't be choosers, and anyway, monitor #4 is showing signs of its age,
    so any replacement is welcome. That monitor mostly just gets used
    (virtual) post-its and various monitor program outputs, so high
    refresh and life-like color quality isn't a must anyway. Not that it
    mattered; my find was dead-on-arrival. I think it was the lamp. That's
    actually not that difficult a fix, but then I'd have to go to the
    bother of buying the right part and that's sort of against the whole
    idea of the scrounge.

    My second find was a Dell monitor: 24 in* / 75Mhz. Not one of their
    higher-end models, but capable enough and I wasn't about to turn my
    nose up at it, especially since it also boasted an extra 4 USB3
    sockets. Alas, while the monitor technically worked, there was
    evidence of significant water damage; there were screen splotches
    everywhere. Again, it's possible to repair the damage (and without
    having to buy any new parts even!), but it's a tricky and imperfect
    process and - frankly - I'm just not into making that sort of effort.

    So, two up and two down (that's a baseball metaphor I think?). Anyway,
    even if I don't get any use out of them, it's better this way. They
    /were/ headed for landfill; now they're headed to e-waste collection
    instead where, hopefully, at least some of their components might get
    reused.

    The scrounge continues...



    ----------
    * TVs and monitors... the last refuge of the inch?

    Wow, where are you you keep finding monitors out on the curb?

    Wed was our large item pickup day, I did see a huge TV out, they
    even had it in a box, not sure how big, but I didn't even think of
    taking it home, and just assumed it was broken. Not that I have
    room for another one. I've got a 42" gathering dust in the garage
    already, and something like 8 19" monitors from work I'm storing
    for them since we closed the office to go permanent work from
    home, but I can use them until I need to give them out for
    replacements if I want, but I don't want. If I had room on my
    desk for one, I'd use it. I might just barely get it to fit in portrait mode now that I think about it.

    You need a bigger desk. I've got a pair of 27" monitors on mine with
    room still for the printer, tower case and working space.

    I need a bigger house to put the bigger desk in. :/

    - Justisaur

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Fri Aug 26 20:36:26 2022
    On 8/26/2022 2:53 PM, Justisaur wrote:
    On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 11:46:22 AM UTC-7, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 8/26/2022 7:52 AM, Justisaur wrote:
    On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 4:35:26 PM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote: >>>> Just so people don't think my scrounging always pays off...

    Another two weeks, another two monitors.

    The first - I forget the brand - was unimpressive kit, but scroungers
    can't be choosers, and anyway, monitor #4 is showing signs of its age, >>>> so any replacement is welcome. That monitor mostly just gets used
    (virtual) post-its and various monitor program outputs, so high
    refresh and life-like color quality isn't a must anyway. Not that it
    mattered; my find was dead-on-arrival. I think it was the lamp. That's >>>> actually not that difficult a fix, but then I'd have to go to the
    bother of buying the right part and that's sort of against the whole
    idea of the scrounge.

    My second find was a Dell monitor: 24 in* / 75Mhz. Not one of their
    higher-end models, but capable enough and I wasn't about to turn my
    nose up at it, especially since it also boasted an extra 4 USB3
    sockets. Alas, while the monitor technically worked, there was
    evidence of significant water damage; there were screen splotches
    everywhere. Again, it's possible to repair the damage (and without
    having to buy any new parts even!), but it's a tricky and imperfect
    process and - frankly - I'm just not into making that sort of effort.

    So, two up and two down (that's a baseball metaphor I think?). Anyway, >>>> even if I don't get any use out of them, it's better this way. They
    /were/ headed for landfill; now they're headed to e-waste collection
    instead where, hopefully, at least some of their components might get
    reused.

    The scrounge continues...



    ----------
    * TVs and monitors... the last refuge of the inch?

    Wow, where are you you keep finding monitors out on the curb?

    Wed was our large item pickup day, I did see a huge TV out, they
    even had it in a box, not sure how big, but I didn't even think of
    taking it home, and just assumed it was broken. Not that I have
    room for another one. I've got a 42" gathering dust in the garage
    already, and something like 8 19" monitors from work I'm storing
    for them since we closed the office to go permanent work from
    home, but I can use them until I need to give them out for
    replacements if I want, but I don't want. If I had room on my
    desk for one, I'd use it. I might just barely get it to fit in portrait
    mode now that I think about it.

    You need a bigger desk. I've got a pair of 27" monitors on mine with
    room still for the printer, tower case and working space.

    I need a bigger house to put the bigger desk in. :/

    I manage it in my tiny apartment. (Basically by having almost nothing
    else in my living room but still, I manage it. :D )


    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Aug 26 20:38:47 2022
    On 8/26/2022 2:22 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 11:46:21 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    You need a bigger desk. I've got a pair of 27" monitors on mine with
    room still for the printer, tower case and working space.

    But be warned: once you go multiple-monitor, you can't go back. I've introduced literal dozens of people to the idea and every single one
    of them that I have asked has emphatically asserted that they'd not
    want to go back to a single monitor set-up.

    So get your desk situation in order first, because dual (or more)
    monitor setups are frighteningly addictive. ;-)

    There's a reason why dual monitors are standard in corporate cubicle farms.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sat Aug 27 11:26:00 2022
    On 26/08/2022 22:22, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    But be warned: once you go multiple-monitor, you can't go back. I've introduced literal dozens of people to the idea and every single one
    of them that I have asked has emphatically asserted that they'd not
    want to go back to a single monitor set-up.

    So get your desk situation in order first, because dual (or more)
    monitor setups are frighteningly addictive.;-)

    It's one of those ones that yes I'd prefer a dual monitor set-up but
    honestly it just doesn't seem worth it. The only time I think I'd find
    it useful is when I play RPG's using Roll20 + Discord but even then I
    just use the iPad to provide the Discord part.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Aug 27 06:17:20 2022
    On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 3:26:05 AM UTC-7, JAB wrote:
    On 26/08/2022 22:22, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    But be warned: once you go multiple-monitor, you can't go back. I've introduced literal dozens of people to the idea and every single one
    of them that I have asked has emphatically asserted that they'd not
    want to go back to a single monitor set-up.

    So get your desk situation in order first, because dual (or more)
    monitor setups are frighteningly addictive.;-)
    It's one of those ones that yes I'd prefer a dual monitor set-up but
    honestly it just doesn't seem worth it. The only time I think I'd find
    it useful is when I play RPG's using Roll20 + Discord but even then I
    just use the iPad to provide the Discord part.

    That's part of why I don't have a second monitor, I have my work
    laptop on the desk too. Technically I guess that means I do have
    two monitors, they're just attached to different computers.

    - Justisaur

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Sat Aug 27 09:35:36 2022
    On 8/27/2022 6:17 AM, Justisaur wrote:
    On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 3:26:05 AM UTC-7, JAB wrote:
    On 26/08/2022 22:22, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    But be warned: once you go multiple-monitor, you can't go back. I've
    introduced literal dozens of people to the idea and every single one
    of them that I have asked has emphatically asserted that they'd not
    want to go back to a single monitor set-up.

    So get your desk situation in order first, because dual (or more)
    monitor setups are frighteningly addictive.;-)
    It's one of those ones that yes I'd prefer a dual monitor set-up but
    honestly it just doesn't seem worth it. The only time I think I'd find
    it useful is when I play RPG's using Roll20 + Discord but even then I
    just use the iPad to provide the Discord part.

    That's part of why I don't have a second monitor, I have my work
    laptop on the desk too. Technically I guess that means I do have
    two monitors, they're just attached to different computers.

    But it you attached both monitors to just one computer you could switch
    between them without having to switch to a different keyboard & mouse....

    (Come to the Dual Monitor side of The Modem. You have no idea the power
    of the Dual Monitor side of the Modem! :P )


    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Aug 27 14:42:41 2022
    On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 11:26:00 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 26/08/2022 22:22, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    But be warned: once you go multiple-monitor, you can't go back. I've
    introduced literal dozens of people to the idea and every single one
    of them that I have asked has emphatically asserted that they'd not
    want to go back to a single monitor set-up.

    So get your desk situation in order first, because dual (or more)
    monitor setups are frighteningly addictive.;-)

    It's one of those ones that yes I'd prefer a dual monitor set-up but
    honestly it just doesn't seem worth it. The only time I think I'd find
    it useful is when I play RPG's using Roll20 + Discord but even then I
    just use the iPad to provide the Discord part.

    That seems to be the opinion of everyone when I first suggest a second
    monitor. "Well, it might be nice but I don't really see the need."
    Followed a few weeks later by, "I'll poke out your eyes with a dull
    butter knife if you try to take away my second monitor." (And that's
    me Nan! Others have been even more direct ;-)

    Admittedly, in a lot of use-cases they are right; a second monitor is superfluous. It isn't necessary. After all, you can minimize or tile
    existing windows (or even use a virtual desktop manager if you're
    excessively nerdy), so what's the point? It's a luxury and justifying
    the cost - whether financial or in desk-space can be difficult.

    But once you have it, the convenience of having two (or more) monitors available quickly proves its worth in countless tiny ways, until you
    just can't imagine being happy without it. I've yet to meet anyone who
    - after having gone with a second monitor (and stuck with it for at
    least a week) would happily go back to a single-monitor setup.

    I mean, I'm sure there are some people like that out there. You (the
    generic 'you', not anyone in particular) may be one of them. And
    that's great; everybody likes different things. But everyone I've
    helped in that direction ends up being inordinately pleased with the
    setup. Hence my advice: if you are going to try a multi-monitor
    set-up, be sure your workspace can actually support it because you'll
    likely be annoyed having to revert back to a single-screen. ;-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sun Aug 28 11:09:52 2022
    On 27/08/2022 19:42, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 11:26:00 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 26/08/2022 22:22, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    But be warned: once you go multiple-monitor, you can't go back. I've
    introduced literal dozens of people to the idea and every single one
    of them that I have asked has emphatically asserted that they'd not
    want to go back to a single monitor set-up.

    So get your desk situation in order first, because dual (or more)
    monitor setups are frighteningly addictive.;-)

    It's one of those ones that yes I'd prefer a dual monitor set-up but
    honestly it just doesn't seem worth it. The only time I think I'd find
    it useful is when I play RPG's using Roll20 + Discord but even then I
    just use the iPad to provide the Discord part.

    That seems to be the opinion of everyone when I first suggest a second monitor. "Well, it might be nice but I don't really see the need."
    Followed a few weeks later by, "I'll poke out your eyes with a dull
    butter knife if you try to take away my second monitor." (And that's
    me Nan! Others have been even more direct ;-)

    Admittedly, in a lot of use-cases they are right; a second monitor is superfluous. It isn't necessary. After all, you can minimize or tile
    existing windows (or even use a virtual desktop manager if you're
    excessively nerdy), so what's the point? It's a luxury and justifying
    the cost - whether financial or in desk-space can be difficult.

    But once you have it, the convenience of having two (or more) monitors available quickly proves its worth in countless tiny ways, until you
    just can't imagine being happy without it. I've yet to meet anyone who
    - after having gone with a second monitor (and stuck with it for at
    least a week) would happily go back to a single-monitor setup.

    I mean, I'm sure there are some people like that out there. You (the
    generic 'you', not anyone in particular) may be one of them. And
    that's great; everybody likes different things. But everyone I've
    helped in that direction ends up being inordinately pleased with the
    setup. Hence my advice: if you are going to try a multi-monitor
    set-up, be sure your workspace can actually support it because you'll
    likely be annoyed having to revert back to a single-screen. ;-)


    I do use a dual set-up for work and that really does make a difference
    but considering what I use my PC for*. The usefulness really doesn't
    translate very well and certainly not enough to justify the cost/space
    to me.

    Where I do agree is that for somethings the usefulness isn't always that apparent. When we first got an iPad, several years ago, is a good
    example. I don't really want one but my better half did and I really
    thought that's going end up in a draw someone in six months time. Now it actually gets more use than the PC.

    *My list is basically check this NG, check Steam and maybe play a game
    (even that's rare nowadays).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 31 21:49:39 2022
    On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 17:22:12 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
    But be warned: once you go multiple-monitor, you can't go back. I've >introduced literal dozens of people to the idea and every single one
    of them that I have asked has emphatically asserted that they'd not
    want to go back to a single monitor set-up.

    So get your desk situation in order first, because dual (or more)
    monitor setups are frighteningly addictive. ;-)


    *--

    I agree. I did have a 34 inch curved monitor from a big name (can't
    remember who made it - Oh it was Samsung I think). It didn't last
    long. It had mediocre resolution and a low refresh rate.

    I have had two Dell 27 inch gaming monitors (not the newest monitor).
    Every time I have to use someone's single monitor it drives me crazy.
    I would miss not being able to drag application window between the
    both of them and do work on them both.

    But lately I think I am getting screen burn on them, or something like
    that. Icons mostly. I have them both set to power down after a few
    minutes of inactivity but don't know why this is happening. They are
    a couple years old though.

    Nice picture, resolution, and refresh rate though! Games and other
    stuff look great on them still.

    -pw

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Wed Aug 31 21:54:14 2022
    On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 20:38:47 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 8/26/2022 2:22 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 11:46:21 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    You need a bigger desk. I've got a pair of 27" monitors on mine with
    room still for the printer, tower case and working space.

    But be warned: once you go multiple-monitor, you can't go back. I've
    introduced literal dozens of people to the idea and every single one
    of them that I have asked has emphatically asserted that they'd not
    want to go back to a single monitor set-up.

    So get your desk situation in order first, because dual (or more)
    monitor setups are frighteningly addictive. ;-)

    There's a reason why dual monitors are standard in corporate cubicle farms.

    *--

    Are the stand up monitor stands still popular where you live?

    The were all the rage around here in banks and offices but I don't see
    them being used as much.

    -pw

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 31 21:09:20 2022
    On 8/31/2022 8:54 PM, PW wrote:
    On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 20:38:47 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 8/26/2022 2:22 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 11:46:21 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    You need a bigger desk. I've got a pair of 27" monitors on mine with
    room still for the printer, tower case and working space.

    But be warned: once you go multiple-monitor, you can't go back. I've
    introduced literal dozens of people to the idea and every single one
    of them that I have asked has emphatically asserted that they'd not
    want to go back to a single monitor set-up.

    So get your desk situation in order first, because dual (or more)
    monitor setups are frighteningly addictive. ;-)

    There's a reason why dual monitors are standard in corporate cubicle farms.

    *--

    Are the stand up monitor stands still popular where you live?

    The were all the rage around here in banks and offices but I don't see
    them being used as much.

    Some places still use them. My assigned work space with the County
    government has two for the small monitors that are part of my
    workstation. Fortunately for me they assign laptops rather than
    desktops and nothing I do actually requires me to be IN the office so I
    work almost entirely from home. With my dual 27" monitors and my
    beautiful wood 39" by 76" desk. *contented sigh*

    It might even be redwood. Bought it for $100. Forty years ago at
    Goodwill. :P

    (Seriously, the work monitors are _small_! I think one of mine has as
    much screen space as both other combined.)

    *ponders all that*

    I've been reading Spalls' posts too much.


    --
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    dirty old man.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 1 10:03:31 2022
    On 01/09/2022 04:49, PW wrote:
    I agree. I did have a 34 inch curved monitor from a big name (can't
    remember who made it - Oh it was Samsung I think). It didn't last
    long. It had mediocre resolution and a low refresh rate.

    Samsung used to be my goto for TV's and monitors before both of them
    developed the same fault after a few years. Basically you had to let
    them 'warm-up' for a couple of minutes before the picture stabilised and
    it only got worse as time went on.

    Doing a bit of a googlefoo it turned out it was very much a design fault
    with some of the capacitors and they would start failing. I could have
    fixed it myself but it was a lot of hassle as it means taking everything
    apart and the de-soldering and then soldering a new set of caps. I did
    also consider whether it was worth taking a more legal route under our
    consumer laws but again that a lot of effort and time especially if
    Samsung dug their heels in.

    In the end I went with, well I won't be buying anything from them again.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Sep 1 15:28:03 2022
    On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 10:03:31 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 01/09/2022 04:49, PW wrote:
    I agree. I did have a 34 inch curved monitor from a big name (can't
    remember who made it - Oh it was Samsung I think). It didn't last
    long. It had mediocre resolution and a low refresh rate.

    Samsung used to be my goto for TV's and monitors before both of them >developed the same fault after a few years. Basically you had to let
    them 'warm-up' for a couple of minutes before the picture stabilised and
    it only got worse as time went on.


    That more or less corresponds with my experience. Samsung panels have
    nice displays as far as image quality but terrible build quality; they
    are always the first to die. If you're expecting to replace your
    monitor in two or three years, Samsung is a fine brand but if you want longevity? Almost anything else. I've had cheap Chinese no-name panels
    that last longer.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Thu Sep 1 15:24:56 2022
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 21:09:20 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    my beauttiful wood 39" by 76" desk. *contented sigh*
    (Seriously, the work monitors are _small_! I think one of mine has as
    much screen space as both other combined.)

    *ponders all that*

    I've been reading Spalls' posts too much.

    You know you want dual 40" monitors now. They'd fit fine (with a
    little bit of overhang on both sides) of that massive desk. C'mon, /do
    it/.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Sep 1 17:31:27 2022
    On 9/1/2022 12:28 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 10:03:31 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 01/09/2022 04:49, PW wrote:
    I agree. I did have a 34 inch curved monitor from a big name (can't
    remember who made it - Oh it was Samsung I think). It didn't last
    long. It had mediocre resolution and a low refresh rate.

    Samsung used to be my goto for TV's and monitors before both of them
    developed the same fault after a few years. Basically you had to let
    them 'warm-up' for a couple of minutes before the picture stabilised and
    it only got worse as time went on.


    That more or less corresponds with my experience. Samsung panels have
    nice displays as far as image quality but terrible build quality; they
    are always the first to die. If you're expecting to replace your
    monitor in two or three years, Samsung is a fine brand but if you want longevity? Almost anything else. I've had cheap Chinese no-name panels
    that last longer.

    I won't even consider Samsung for anything after a new Samsung TV I
    bought suddenly stopped making sound a week after I bought it. This was
    a few years ago. I called the Samsung help line to find someplace that
    could repair it and spent a long time arguing with their script monkey
    who wanted me to make sure the TV's firmware was up to date before she'd
    do anything else. The way the speakers failed and the fact that
    everything else about it worked fine made it damn clear it wasn't a
    firmware issue. I went back to the retailer I bought it from and traded
    it in on a replacement.


    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Sep 1 17:26:01 2022
    On 9/1/2022 12:24 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 21:09:20 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    my beauttiful wood 39" by 76" desk. *contented sigh*
    (Seriously, the work monitors are _small_! I think one of mine has as
    much screen space as both other combined.)

    *ponders all that*

    I've been reading Spalls' posts too much.

    You know you want dual 40" monitors now. They'd fit fine (with a
    little bit of overhang on both sides) of that massive desk. C'mon, /do
    it/.

    I may, someday, want but, today and foreseeable future, I can not
    afford! Plus I do have other stuff on my desk and the current setup
    works because when I want to watch TV I just slide one of the monitors
    (the left one) away from the other and there is the TV right in between
    them! (And a few feet behind them but details.) :D

    So in some twisted way I already have a three "monitor" setup. :P


    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Thu Sep 1 21:54:10 2022
    On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 15:24:56 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 21:09:20 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    my beauttiful wood 39" by 76" desk. *contented sigh*
    (Seriously, the work monitors are _small_! I think one of mine has as
    much screen space as both other combined.)

    *ponders all that*

    I've been reading Spalls' posts too much.

    You know you want dual 40" monitors now. They'd fit fine (with a
    little bit of overhang on both sides) of that massive desk. C'mon, /do
    it/.


    *--

    I think my wife's Dell monitor is something like 60 inches. Wait,
    maybe bigger! The picture is pretty darn good! Decent refresh rate
    and resolution for that size. I thnk she got it from Dell for $900 a
    few months ago.

    -pw

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Thu Sep 1 21:50:28 2022
    On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 17:31:27 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 9/1/2022 12:28 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 10:03:31 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 01/09/2022 04:49, PW wrote:
    I agree. I did have a 34 inch curved monitor from a big name (can't
    remember who made it - Oh it was Samsung I think). It didn't last
    long. It had mediocre resolution and a low refresh rate.

    Samsung used to be my goto for TV's and monitors before both of them
    developed the same fault after a few years. Basically you had to let
    them 'warm-up' for a couple of minutes before the picture stabilised and >>> it only got worse as time went on.


    That more or less corresponds with my experience. Samsung panels have
    nice displays as far as image quality but terrible build quality; they
    are always the first to die. If you're expecting to replace your
    monitor in two or three years, Samsung is a fine brand but if you want
    longevity? Almost anything else. I've had cheap Chinese no-name panels
    that last longer.

    I won't even consider Samsung for anything after a new Samsung TV I
    bought suddenly stopped making sound a week after I bought it. This was
    a few years ago. I called the Samsung help line to find someplace that
    could repair it and spent a long time arguing with their script monkey
    who wanted me to make sure the TV's firmware was up to date before she'd
    do anything else. The way the speakers failed and the fact that
    everything else about it worked fine made it damn clear it wasn't a
    firmware issue. I went back to the retailer I bought it from and traded
    it in on a replacement.

    *--

    We have a Samsung dishwasher, and a frig. Both have been a lot of
    trouble. The dishwasher circuit board had to be replace which cost us
    about $600. The refrigerator was expensive to fix too.

    Samsung is not what they used to be. I used to love their stuff.

    We also bought a Samsung HD TV from Target. The picture and sound was terrible. We took it back and got our money back. We went back to
    our15 year old Sony Bravio (?). Not made any more but the picture and
    sound are still fantastic!

    -pw

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Sep 2 13:53:14 2022
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> writes:

    In the end I went with, well I won't be buying anything from them again.

    I'm kind of in a similar boat with Samsung. When the pandemic started, I
    got a Lenovo laptop, display and USB cable from work to use in my
    study/man cave/home office. Everything was great, the single cable
    carried power, video and USB without any issue ever.

    But then I had to take that display back to work and I got a Samsung
    monitor to replace it. It's fine but there are a few little things which
    are just so annoying.

    The USB is great when it works and it added ethernet too into the mix
    but the whole thing quits a lot, meaning the computer sees a display
    connected but there's no picture until I unplug and replug the USB
    cable. And this happens sometimes even if the work PC just goes to
    screen lock.

    Also I can't switch the monitor's input to USB via software which is
    kinda mandatory since I don't really want a separate KVM when monitors
    can (usually) be told to switch inputs and I have a simple USB switch
    box to move mouse and keyboard between my home and work computers.

    Finally, the stupid Samsung doesn't auto switch from an inactive input
    to an active input. This is like insult to injury, I think Samsung even advertizes this as a feature. But it doesn't work even between its basic
    HDMI and DP inputs. There's an option to turn that on but it doesn't
    work.

    I don't know if I should try to warranty claim it. Decent monitors with
    this kind of USB functionality don't exactly grow in trees these days. I would've bought the exact Lenovo model I had before but nope, not in
    stock and might be out of production now too. And these Samsung like
    design issues, probably in the firmware but there're no FW updates for
    the model. Or at least not when I last checked.

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Fri Sep 2 20:40:43 2022
    On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 21:50:28 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 17:31:27 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 9/1/2022 12:28 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 10:03:31 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 01/09/2022 04:49, PW wrote:
    I agree. I did have a 34 inch curved monitor from a big name (can't >>>>> remember who made it - Oh it was Samsung I think). It didn't last
    long. It had mediocre resolution and a low refresh rate.

    Samsung used to be my goto for TV's and monitors before both of them
    developed the same fault after a few years. Basically you had to let
    them 'warm-up' for a couple of minutes before the picture stabilised and >>>> it only got worse as time went on.


    That more or less corresponds with my experience. Samsung panels have
    nice displays as far as image quality but terrible build quality; they
    are always the first to die. If you're expecting to replace your
    monitor in two or three years, Samsung is a fine brand but if you want
    longevity? Almost anything else. I've had cheap Chinese no-name panels
    that last longer.

    I won't even consider Samsung for anything after a new Samsung TV I
    bought suddenly stopped making sound a week after I bought it. This was
    a few years ago. I called the Samsung help line to find someplace that >>could repair it and spent a long time arguing with their script monkey
    who wanted me to make sure the TV's firmware was up to date before she'd
    do anything else. The way the speakers failed and the fact that
    everything else about it worked fine made it damn clear it wasn't a >>firmware issue. I went back to the retailer I bought it from and traded
    it in on a replacement.

    *--

    We have a Samsung dishwasher, and a frig. Both have been a lot of
    trouble. The dishwasher circuit board had to be replace which cost us
    about $600. The refrigerator was expensive to fix too.

    Samsung is not what they used to be. I used to love their stuff.

    We also bought a Samsung HD TV from Target. The picture and sound was >terrible. We took it back and got our money back. We went back to
    our15 year old Sony Bravio (?). Not made any more but the picture and
    sound are still fantastic!

    -pw

    *--

    I was at Target today. It was a Vivio TV that we returned not a
    Samsung. I have no idea why that brand is so popular. Worst picture
    and sound of any TV I have ever seen. And it only looked good at
    certain angles. Piece of junk!

    -pw

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Sat Sep 3 11:21:59 2022
    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 20:40:43 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:



    I was at Target today. It was a Vivio TV that we returned not a
    Samsung. I have no idea why that brand is so popular. Worst picture
    and sound of any TV I have ever seen. And it only looked good at
    certain angles. Piece of junk!

    (It's "Vizio")

    And you do know why Vizio TVs are so popular: it's the price. They are
    one of the cheapest brands on the market; low-price has been the
    company's goal, and it sacrifices visual and build quality to achieve
    this. The models sold in stores are usually the cheapest of the cheap
    too, because nobody goes to a B&Q or Target if they're expecting to
    buy high-end gear. It's all about "what's on available", "what's on
    sale" and, "Oooh, I guess that looks nice in the store, might as well
    get that" ;-)

    Vizio are junk because they're designed to be junk.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Sat Sep 3 16:17:44 2022
    On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 19:35:19 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Just so people don't think my scrounging always pays off...

    Scroungers Log, junkdate 022.246

    Nothing added this week, but instead there's a potential loss. That
    55" Sony I acquired a few weeks back is showing problems. Various bits
    of... well, I guess they're digital static, but they look more like
    flickering barcodes - are appearing randomly on the screen. They're
    just a five or ten centimeters across (and maybe 10mm high) and -
    individually - aren't very noticeable... but their numbers are
    multiplying.

    (Actually, I first noticed them while playing the "Terminator:
    Resistance" game and thought them a visual effect from the game, a
    recreation of the pseudo-code as seen through the Terminator's
    viewpoint... but the static persists even when all inputs are removed
    from the TV, so it is obviously hardware related).

    The effect is likely the result of a failing capacitor (isn't it
    always?) and I've inclination to fix it. Arguably I don't have the
    talent - my soldering is haphazard at best and unless the damage is
    obvious, I often have difficulty finding the capacitor - but I'd be
    willing to give it a try. I mean, what's the worst that could happen;
    I ruin an already dying TV? Unfortunately, the size of the TV prevents
    the repair; I just don't have the room to take the thing apart.

    I haven't shipped the 55" off to e-waste yet (I haven't given up hope
    of somehow refurbishing it) but that's its likely destination. In the
    mean time I'm back to my older 42" screen, and - honestly - the
    difference isn't that noticeable (except its color gamut isn't quite
    as expansive). Still, while I would have liked to keep the 55" I'm not heartbroken at the loss. I got almost a month of good use out of it,
    and anyway, you take your chances when scrounging; there is a reason
    many of these old electronics are dumped on the curb. And 42" is still
    a respectable size.

    The hunt continues.

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Sat Sep 3 15:34:02 2022
    On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 11:21:59 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 20:40:43 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:



    I was at Target today. It was a Vivio TV that we returned not a
    Samsung. I have no idea why that brand is so popular. Worst picture
    and sound of any TV I have ever seen. And it only looked good at
    certain angles. Piece of junk!

    (It's "Vizio")

    And you do know why Vizio TVs are so popular: it's the price. They are
    one of the cheapest brands on the market; low-price has been the
    company's goal, and it sacrifices visual and build quality to achieve
    this. The models sold in stores are usually the cheapest of the cheap
    too, because nobody goes to a B&Q or Target if they're expecting to
    buy high-end gear. It's all about "what's on available", "what's on
    sale" and, "Oooh, I guess that looks nice in the store, might as well
    get that" ;-)

    Vizio are junk because they're designed to be junk.


    *---

    So I gave them a step up with me spelling their name by adding a Z
    which sounds so much more "French" so to speak.

    Yesterday, I learned alot about shopping in Bozeman, MT. I hopefully
    assume that the same experience I had at Target yesterday is not just
    here? Look, us locals who live around Livingston, MT had an
    expression for that town ever since I moved here 30 years ago:
    "BozeAngelas" and and have had a joke about that place" "The best part
    of Bozeman is that they are only 20 miles away from Montana". True
    story right there. Livingston is 20 miles east of BozeAngelas.

    So, in Target yesterday my wife needed something for us there. The
    men's underwear and other sections were totally vacant. But yet,
    there were plenty of "sheep" waiting in the self-checkout line. The
    mile must have been 100+ deep. So, since my wife are not sheep and do
    not live in a place like BozeAngelas, we saw two checkers all by
    themselves. Not self-check, but actual people!

    We paid for our purchases in about 2 or 3 minutes and headed outside
    to our truck, covering our ears because of the lillegal people
    pretending to play programmed "instruments".

    We looked back before heading out the exit of Target, and we noticed
    that maybe 1/4 of the lines (there were more than one for the
    self-checkout) caught one to what we did: Avoid that line and fine a
    human person at the checkout registers!

    The rest of these sheep were very happy to follow the other sheep in
    front of them in the self-check out line, even to pay for perhaps 5
    items!

    I live in the USA (or what it used to be called) but I have always
    been a huge fan of British music, especially all the amazing talent in
    the 80's ("New Wave").

    My wife and I used to love the band the House Martins. I sang the
    lyrics to one of their songs to my wife when leaving Target entitled
    "It's Sheep We Are Up Against" hehe!!


    -pw

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sun Sep 4 11:03:44 2022
    On 03/09/2022 16:21, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 20:40:43 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:



    I was at Target today. It was a Vivio TV that we returned not a
    Samsung. I have no idea why that brand is so popular. Worst picture
    and sound of any TV I have ever seen. And it only looked good at
    certain angles. Piece of junk!

    (It's "Vizio")

    And you do know why Vizio TVs are so popular: it's the price. They are
    one of the cheapest brands on the market; low-price has been the
    company's goal, and it sacrifices visual and build quality to achieve
    this. The models sold in stores are usually the cheapest of the cheap
    too, because nobody goes to a B&Q or Target if they're expecting to
    buy high-end gear. It's all about "what's on available", "what's on
    sale" and, "Oooh, I guess that looks nice in the store, might as well
    get that" ;-)

    Vizio are junk because they're designed to be junk.


    Can't say I've even heard of the brand but they don't sound very good.
    As you say there's a reason companies put stuff out cheaply and it's not
    that they are being charitable.

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Sun Sep 4 14:02:00 2022
    On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 11:21:59 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 20:40:43 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:



    I was at Target today. It was a Vivio TV that we returned not a
    Samsung. I have no idea why that brand is so popular. Worst picture
    and sound of any TV I have ever seen. And it only looked good at
    certain angles. Piece of junk!

    (It's "Vizio")

    And you do know why Vizio TVs are so popular: it's the price. They are
    one of the cheapest brands on the market; low-price has been the
    company's goal, and it sacrifices visual and build quality to achieve
    this. The models sold in stores are usually the cheapest of the cheap
    too, because nobody goes to a B&Q or Target if they're expecting to
    buy high-end gear. It's all about "what's on available", "what's on
    sale" and, "Oooh, I guess that looks nice in the store, might as well
    get that" ;-)

    Vizio are junk because they're designed to be junk.


    *--

    And they have a nice, fancy, professional looking box :-)

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Sun Sep 4 17:50:29 2022
    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 14:02:00 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 11:21:59 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson ><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 20:40:43 -0600, PW >><iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    I was at Target today. It was a Vivio TV that we returned not a
    Samsung. I have no idea why that brand is so popular. Worst picture
    and sound of any TV I have ever seen. And it only looked good at
    certain angles. Piece of junk!

    And you do know why Vizio TVs are so popular: it's the price. '

    And they have a nice, fancy, professional looking box :-)

    Well, yes. Never discount the power of marketing. Who can resist the
    shiny box? It's psychological manipulation and nobody is immune to it.

    ...

    Now I want a shiny box too.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sun Sep 4 16:37:41 2022
    On 9/4/2022 2:50 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 14:02:00 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 03 Sep 2022 11:21:59 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
    <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 02 Sep 2022 20:40:43 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    I was at Target today. It was a Vivio TV that we returned not a
    Samsung. I have no idea why that brand is so popular. Worst picture
    and sound of any TV I have ever seen. And it only looked good at
    certain angles. Piece of junk!

    And you do know why Vizio TVs are so popular: it's the price. '

    And they have a nice, fancy, professional looking box :-)

    Well, yes. Never discount the power of marketing. Who can resist the
    shiny box? It's psychological manipulation and nobody is immune to it.

    ...

    Now I want a shiny box too.

    I want to know how they made the cardboard box shiny.


    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 17 13:36:26 2022
    And here we go again...

    I still haven't disposed of the 52" TV I found a month ago. It worked
    for a couple weeks before it started showing problems - odd half-lines
    of barcode-like static - that are indicative of failing capacitors. It
    needs to go to the e-waste depository, but it's so annoyingly large
    (and heavy!) that I haven't shifted it yet. Instead, it sits in the
    corner of the room collecting dust.

    Thus, the last thing I need is /another/ big screen monitor. And of
    course, that's what I got.

    Because there it was, sitting lonely on the curb just waiting for a
    new owner. Who was I to deny it a new home?

    (There was also a 36" TV and an ancient 14" 5:4 Dell monitor sitting
    next to it but I wasn't quite so charitable with them. The 36" was
    gone a day later so obviously I'm not the only scrounger in the
    neighborhood. The Dell monitor languishes, however).

    This new one isn't quite as big as my last find; a 'mere' 47 inches
    (46.9" viewable, says the manual). It's actually right in the 'sweet
    spot' for my needs. The 52" was almost too big (and the 70" I found
    six months prior was just too huge). This new monitor is quite a bit
    brighter than I am used to, and I haven't quite tailored its colors to
    my taste but I'm generally satisfied with it. That it weighs about a
    third of the 52" (and uses about half the electricity!) are both
    bonuses as far as I'm concerned. It does need a special cable for
    component video, though, and it lacks the remote, but these are minor
    issues (and both solvable for modest fees, should I really care enough
    about either). All-in-all, it is a happy find.

    But will it last? That's the big question. Bulk aside, I was rather
    happy with the 52"... right up until it started showing problems. This
    new 47" may have a similar lifespan; I mean, it ended up on the curb
    for a reason, right? (Although its equally likely it got tossed
    because its 'smartTV' functionality is out of date. Since I use it
    just as a monitor that's not an issue to me). Still, so what if it
    dies in a month or three? Like nobody ever says, "there's always
    another monitor on the curb". I'll keep my old 42" TV on standby just
    in case.

    I'm still hoping for another PC to show up... preferably with a beige
    desktop chassis I can salvage so I can finally assemble my Win9x
    computer. One of these days, one of these days...

    Meanwhile, I really gotta see about getting that 52" outta the
    house... my back aches at the mere thought.

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