• Re: Far Cry... it lives!

    From PW@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Thu Aug 11 21:46:34 2022
    On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 23:25:25 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    I need greens. Vibrant, lush greens. Greens that make me feel enmeshed
    in a world of life and luster. And there's only one game that can
    provide me with this sort of green.

    Far Cry.

    Not Far Cry 2 (although that one had some kick-ass gunplay), or Far
    Cry 3 (that one had nice water), or Far Cry Primal (actually, that one
    had some wonderful greens too), or Far Cry 4 or 5 or 6.

    I want the original. The first one. The one that made our jaws drop
    and say, "wait, our computers can do this?!?" That's the game I want.
    That's the game with the best greens.

    And I want it on original hardware. A proper WindowsXP-era computer
    with a WindowsXP operating system and a proper old-school GeForce GPU
    (in this case, a GeForce 7). Because it's not really "Far Cry" without
    all those accoutrements. If your computer isn't glowing from an
    overabundance of LEDs and blowing with an overabundance of fans, it's
    not really running "Far Cry" ... not the way it's supposed to.

    Luckily I have the hardware. Years of scrounging and hoarding have
    blessed me with enough components so I can make this dream come true.
    And I have a shameful number of Windows XP CD-keys. So we're all good
    there.

    But is it really that easy? Of course not. It should be. Insert the
    disks, install the game, press play. Do we have game? No, we have
    crash. We have big-time crash, of the sort I haven't seen in a dog's
    age, with a blue screen and everything. Time to fiddle with configs.
    Mess around with settings. OpenGL to the rescue! No more crash.

    Time to embrace the green? Of course not. We have game, but not
    /working/ game. Was "Far Cry" so hard to get running back in the day?
    I'm spoiled by modern games; they mostly 'just work'. I haven't mucked
    around this long trying to getting a program to run in a while.
    Regardless, we don't have textures. For a 3D game not to show textures
    is a concern; it's sort of hard to tell where you going when the whole
    world is a mess of invisible walls. More Internet research, more
    fiddling with config files. Oho! There's a patch... several of them.
    v1.1 installed, v1.3, v1.4... so many updates! But I dutifully install
    them all.

    It works. Sort of. I have textures now, but they're all tinged with
    blue. I want to bathe in verdancy, not azure! Back to the grindstone.
    More research, more setting tweaks; the problem goes away if I use
    lowest quality textures... but damned if I'm going to settle for that. >Low-res textures are grungy; they aren't the wild shades of emerald I
    demand. I download the entirety of the TweakGuides website (no longer
    online but the owner graciously made a local copy freely available).
    It has thousands of hints, describes every setting... but still,
    nothing works.

    Then... a clue. A random YouTube comment to the rescue. "It works for
    me with nvidia driver version v175.16". That's quite a downgrade; I'm >currently on v370.83. But I need my green! I wipe the newer drivers
    and install the old ones. Anything for "Far Cry"!

    Reboot. Log-in. Double-click the game's icon with greatest
    trepidation. No crash; that's a good start. Crank up the settings to
    max (it's one of those games you have to restart every time you tweak
    its setting. I've seen the intro logo so often it's burnt into my
    brain). Start the game.

    No crash. I see textures. I see... green! Vivacious verdancy in great
    volume! Everywhere I look, trees and grass and bushes and moss and >everything... green (well, except the stuff that's not supposed to be
    green. But I ignore that). Oh, hello "Far Cry". I missed you.

    Then I die. Turns out that hidden amongst all that underbrush some bad
    men with guns were lurking. They took no pity on my open-mouthed
    admiration of the wilderness and cheerfully put a bullet in my brain.
    That's okay. I reload and walk in the other direction. I'll deal with
    them later.

    Right now, I have what I wanted. Oh, green!



    *--

    I remember all the green and blue!

    Good going Spalls!

    $10 at GOG!

    -pw

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 11 23:25:25 2022
    I need greens. Vibrant, lush greens. Greens that make me feel enmeshed
    in a world of life and luster. And there's only one game that can
    provide me with this sort of green.

    Far Cry.

    Not Far Cry 2 (although that one had some kick-ass gunplay), or Far
    Cry 3 (that one had nice water), or Far Cry Primal (actually, that one
    had some wonderful greens too), or Far Cry 4 or 5 or 6.

    I want the original. The first one. The one that made our jaws drop
    and say, "wait, our computers can do this?!?" That's the game I want.
    That's the game with the best greens.

    And I want it on original hardware. A proper WindowsXP-era computer
    with a WindowsXP operating system and a proper old-school GeForce GPU
    (in this case, a GeForce 7). Because it's not really "Far Cry" without
    all those accoutrements. If your computer isn't glowing from an
    overabundance of LEDs and blowing with an overabundance of fans, it's
    not really running "Far Cry" ... not the way it's supposed to.

    Luckily I have the hardware. Years of scrounging and hoarding have
    blessed me with enough components so I can make this dream come true.
    And I have a shameful number of Windows XP CD-keys. So we're all good
    there.

    But is it really that easy? Of course not. It should be. Insert the
    disks, install the game, press play. Do we have game? No, we have
    crash. We have big-time crash, of the sort I haven't seen in a dog's
    age, with a blue screen and everything. Time to fiddle with configs.
    Mess around with settings. OpenGL to the rescue! No more crash.

    Time to embrace the green? Of course not. We have game, but not
    /working/ game. Was "Far Cry" so hard to get running back in the day?
    I'm spoiled by modern games; they mostly 'just work'. I haven't mucked
    around this long trying to getting a program to run in a while.
    Regardless, we don't have textures. For a 3D game not to show textures
    is a concern; it's sort of hard to tell where you going when the whole
    world is a mess of invisible walls. More Internet research, more
    fiddling with config files. Oho! There's a patch... several of them.
    v1.1 installed, v1.3, v1.4... so many updates! But I dutifully install
    them all.

    It works. Sort of. I have textures now, but they're all tinged with
    blue. I want to bathe in verdancy, not azure! Back to the grindstone.
    More research, more setting tweaks; the problem goes away if I use
    lowest quality textures... but damned if I'm going to settle for that.
    Low-res textures are grungy; they aren't the wild shades of emerald I
    demand. I download the entirety of the TweakGuides website (no longer
    online but the owner graciously made a local copy freely available).
    It has thousands of hints, describes every setting... but still,
    nothing works.

    Then... a clue. A random YouTube comment to the rescue. "It works for
    me with nvidia driver version v175.16". That's quite a downgrade; I'm
    currently on v370.83. But I need my green! I wipe the newer drivers
    and install the old ones. Anything for "Far Cry"!

    Reboot. Log-in. Double-click the game's icon with greatest
    trepidation. No crash; that's a good start. Crank up the settings to
    max (it's one of those games you have to restart every time you tweak
    its setting. I've seen the intro logo so often it's burnt into my
    brain). Start the game.

    No crash. I see textures. I see... green! Vivacious verdancy in great
    volume! Everywhere I look, trees and grass and bushes and moss and everything... green (well, except the stuff that's not supposed to be
    green. But I ignore that). Oh, hello "Far Cry". I missed you.

    Then I die. Turns out that hidden amongst all that underbrush some bad
    men with guns were lurking. They took no pity on my open-mouthed
    admiration of the wilderness and cheerfully put a bullet in my brain.
    That's okay. I reload and walk in the other direction. I'll deal with
    them later.

    Right now, I have what I wanted. Oh, green!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Aug 12 09:59:13 2022
    On 12/08/2022 04:25, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    I need greens. Vibrant, lush greens. Greens that make me feel enmeshed
    in a world of life and luster. And there's only one game that can
    provide me with this sort of green.

    Far Cry.

    Not Far Cry 2 (although that one had some kick-ass gunplay), or Far
    Cry 3 (that one had nice water), or Far Cry Primal (actually, that one
    had some wonderful greens too), or Far Cry 4 or 5 or 6.

    I want the original. The first one. The one that made our jaws drop
    and say, "wait, our computers can do this?!?" That's the game I want.
    That's the game with the best greens.

    And I want it on original hardware. A proper WindowsXP-era computer
    with a WindowsXP operating system and a proper old-school GeForce GPU
    (in this case, a GeForce 7). Because it's not really "Far Cry" without
    all those accoutrements. If your computer isn't glowing from an
    overabundance of LEDs and blowing with an overabundance of fans, it's
    not really running "Far Cry" ... not the way it's supposed to.

    Luckily I have the hardware. Years of scrounging and hoarding have
    blessed me with enough components so I can make this dream come true.
    And I have a shameful number of Windows XP CD-keys. So we're all good
    there.

    But is it really that easy? Of course not. It should be. Insert the
    disks, install the game, press play. Do we have game? No, we have
    crash. We have big-time crash, of the sort I haven't seen in a dog's
    age, with a blue screen and everything. Time to fiddle with configs.
    Mess around with settings. OpenGL to the rescue! No more crash.

    Time to embrace the green? Of course not. We have game, but not
    /working/ game. Was "Far Cry" so hard to get running back in the day?
    I'm spoiled by modern games; they mostly 'just work'. I haven't mucked
    around this long trying to getting a program to run in a while.
    Regardless, we don't have textures. For a 3D game not to show textures
    is a concern; it's sort of hard to tell where you going when the whole
    world is a mess of invisible walls. More Internet research, more
    fiddling with config files. Oho! There's a patch... several of them.
    v1.1 installed, v1.3, v1.4... so many updates! But I dutifully install
    them all.

    It works. Sort of. I have textures now, but they're all tinged with
    blue. I want to bathe in verdancy, not azure! Back to the grindstone.
    More research, more setting tweaks; the problem goes away if I use
    lowest quality textures... but damned if I'm going to settle for that. Low-res textures are grungy; they aren't the wild shades of emerald I
    demand. I download the entirety of the TweakGuides website (no longer
    online but the owner graciously made a local copy freely available).
    It has thousands of hints, describes every setting... but still,
    nothing works.

    Then... a clue. A random YouTube comment to the rescue. "It works for
    me with nvidia driver version v175.16". That's quite a downgrade; I'm currently on v370.83. But I need my green! I wipe the newer drivers
    and install the old ones. Anything for "Far Cry"!

    Reboot. Log-in. Double-click the game's icon with greatest
    trepidation. No crash; that's a good start. Crank up the settings to
    max (it's one of those games you have to restart every time you tweak
    its setting. I've seen the intro logo so often it's burnt into my
    brain). Start the game.

    No crash. I see textures. I see... green! Vivacious verdancy in great
    volume! Everywhere I look, trees and grass and bushes and moss and everything... green (well, except the stuff that's not supposed to be
    green. But I ignore that). Oh, hello "Far Cry". I missed you.

    Then I die. Turns out that hidden amongst all that underbrush some bad
    men with guns were lurking. They took no pity on my open-mouthed
    admiration of the wilderness and cheerfully put a bullet in my brain.
    That's okay. I reload and walk in the other direction. I'll deal with
    them later.

    Right now, I have what I wanted. Oh, green!


    I really liked FC and even upgraded my set-up so I could play it
    properly. It wasn't just the vibrant setting, making such a change to
    the normally quite dour FPS one, but also how open it was. That didn't
    always work though as I remember swimming for quite a long time around
    the coast and when I got back on land I come across some mercs in a
    jeep. Thinking I should be able to sneak up and kill them, erm that's
    weird nothing happens and even weirder they don't even react.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Fri Aug 12 11:09:53 2022
    On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 21:46:34 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 23:25:25 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson ><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Far Cry.
    Right now, I have what I wanted. Oh, green!

    I remember all the green and blue!
    Good going Spalls!
    $10 at GOG!


    I have the GOG version (well, yeah of course; it's me, right?) but in
    the name of accuracy I insisted on the CD-ROM version. All /five/ CDs (fortunately, only the one is actually needed to play). The shiny
    surfaces plays off nicely against the many LEDs, and the whirring of
    the CD-ROM drive is a nice counterpoint to all the fans.

    I actually am not even that interested in /playing/ the game. The
    experience downgrades significantly after the first third (more
    mutants, less green) and a lot of the experience that made the
    original "Far Cry" special has been replicated in modern games.

    But no game quite does jungles like it did. Even "Crysis" - which
    opted for a more grounded, realistic approach - feels inferior in this
    respect when compared to "Far Cry's" idealized white beaches and
    viridescent forests.

    And after "FarCry" proved to be so problematic, it became an almost
    epic quest to get it all running. Who cares if it took me days to get
    it up and running? Who cares if - after all that effort - I'd play the
    game for an hour and then wander off to do something new? The point
    of achieving it was was to bask in the luxuriant, rampant, fertile
    glow of the virtual jungle! Mission accomplished! ;-)

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  • From Ross Ridge@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Sat Aug 13 16:08:20 2022
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    And I want it on original hardware. A proper WindowsXP-era computer
    with a WindowsXP operating system and a proper old-school GeForce GPU
    (in this case, a GeForce 7). Because it's not really "Far Cry" without
    all those accoutrements. If your computer isn't glowing from an
    overabundance of LEDs and blowing with an overabundance of fans, it's
    not really running "Far Cry" ... not the way it's supposed to.

    Uh... don't you have that backwards? My Windows XP era PC had 3 fans,
    one for the power supply, CPU and case, and the only LEDs it had are
    for telling you something. PCs these days can have half a dozen case
    fans all lit with LEDs plus dozens of other LEDs that don't actually
    serve any purpose. These days you have to pay extra if you don't want
    an overabundance of LEDs and the glass side-panel to see them all.

    Either way, to remind myself of the visuals you're talking about all I
    had to do was select Far Cry in my Steam library and press play.

    --
    l/ // Ross Ridge -- The Great HTMU
    [oo][oo] rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
    -()-/()/ http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca:11068/
    db //

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to Ross Ridge on Sat Aug 13 16:24:01 2022
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 16:08:20 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
    (Ross Ridge) wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    And I want it on original hardware. A proper WindowsXP-era computer
    with a WindowsXP operating system and a proper old-school GeForce GPU
    (in this case, a GeForce 7). Because it's not really "Far Cry" without
    all those accoutrements. If your computer isn't glowing from an >>overabundance of LEDs and blowing with an overabundance of fans, it's
    not really running "Far Cry" ... not the way it's supposed to.

    Uh... don't you have that backwards? My Windows XP era PC had 3 fans,
    one for the power supply, CPU and case, and the only LEDs it had are
    for telling you something. PCs these days can have half a dozen case
    fans all lit with LEDs plus dozens of other LEDs that don't actually
    serve any purpose. These days you have to pay extra if you don't want
    an overabundance of LEDs and the glass side-panel to see them all.

    Oh no. Early 'noughties' PCs were special a special time for PC
    builders. It was the start of the blinged-out PC era, and there were
    no rules on what was considered aesthetically acceptable. LEDs,
    flourescent tubes, ridiculous styling... it was an era of excess for
    PC cases. Arguably modern gaming PCs have more LEDs, but they're
    comparatively tasteful in design. This was a time when fixing a
    side-panel with a water-filled aquarium (complete with fake plastic
    fish) was considered novel and exciting! Even the wildest modern PCs
    seem tame compared to what was done in the past.

    And fans? You couldn't have enough... components were hot and
    power-hungry, and some CPUs even lacked the ability to throttle
    themselves if they started getting too hot. So you needed fans, and
    lots of 'em! Fans in front, fans in back, fans on top, fans on the
    side; fans everywhere! Most fans were overly noisy too; it would be a
    while before we started getting silent fans like modern "BeQuiet" or
    "Noctua" designs. Alternately you could strap huge liquid cooler
    blocks on everything, with their wonderfully noisy pumps (they were
    "silent" only in comparison ;-). And for the daring, there were always
    the incredibly inefficient Peltier cooling rigs. Oh, what a time it
    was for thermal-nerds! ;-)

    (Except for fans on the GPUs; that really wasn't a thing yet. Some
    GPUs had them, but it was less common. On the other hand, hard-drive
    coolers were a thing. Yup, fans on hard-drives!)

    When you turned on a 'proper' gaming PC, you'd know it; the room would
    shake from the roar of all the fans. Alas, my XP box only has a
    pathetic six fans (1 rear, 1 top, 2 front, CPU, PSU). It's a wonder it
    can even run Far Cry at all. ;-)

    Either way, to remind myself of the visuals you're talking about all I
    had to do was select Far Cry in my Steam library and press play.

    Sadly, "Far Cry" is no longer available for sale on Steam (thanks
    Ubisoft). I have it on GOG though... but as mentioned, I wanted the
    'pure' experience so as to best match the feel of what it would be
    like to install and play the game back in 2004.

    Well, I guess I got it. ;-)

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  • From Mark P. Nelson@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sun Aug 14 18:51:56 2022
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote in news:m01gfhhl8n7ocjj8phtjqdsh9ts19ole5l@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 16:08:20 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
    (Ross Ridge) wrote:

    Oh no. Early 'noughties' PCs were special a special time for PC
    builders. It was the start of the blinged-out PC era, and there were
    no rules on what was considered aesthetically acceptable. LEDs,
    flourescent tubes, ridiculous styling... it was an era of excess for
    PC cases. Arguably modern gaming PCs have more LEDs, but they're comparatively tasteful in design. This was a time when fixing a
    side-panel with a water-filled aquarium (complete with fake plastic
    fish) was considered novel and exciting! Even the wildest modern PCs
    seem tame compared to what was done in the past.


    FAKE fish? Whyever use fake fish when you can use the real thing.? ;-)


    Sadly, "Far Cry" is no longer available for sale on Steam (thanks
    Ubisoft). I have it on GOG though... but as mentioned, I wanted the
    'pure' experience so as to best match the feel of what it would be
    like to install and play the game back in 2004.

    Well, I guess I got it. ;-)


    Actually you *can* still get FarCry on Steam, you just have to dig a
    little. If you go to any of the FarCry offerings and scroll down to the
    bundle options and look inside the bundle, you can just select out the
    first game and buy it.

    --
    Clotho, Lachesis, Atropos -- the only sysadmins that matter

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Mark P. Nelson on Sun Aug 14 12:39:03 2022
    On 8/14/2022 11:51 AM, Mark P. Nelson wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote in news:m01gfhhl8n7ocjj8phtjqdsh9ts19ole5l@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 16:08:20 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
    (Ross Ridge) wrote:

    Oh no. Early 'noughties' PCs were special a special time for PC
    builders. It was the start of the blinged-out PC era, and there were
    no rules on what was considered aesthetically acceptable. LEDs,
    flourescent tubes, ridiculous styling... it was an era of excess for
    PC cases. Arguably modern gaming PCs have more LEDs, but they're
    comparatively tasteful in design. This was a time when fixing a
    side-panel with a water-filled aquarium (complete with fake plastic
    fish) was considered novel and exciting! Even the wildest modern PCs
    seem tame compared to what was done in the past.


    FAKE fish? Whyever use fake fish when you can use the real thing.? ;-)

    Can't make sushi out of cooked fish.


    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to markpnelson@sbcglobal.net on Sun Aug 14 18:10:11 2022
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 18:51:56 -0000 (UTC), "Mark P. Nelson" <markpnelson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    Actually you *can* still get FarCry on Steam, you just have to dig a
    little. If you go to any of the FarCry offerings and scroll down to the >bundle options and look inside the bundle, you can just select out the
    first game and buy it.

    Oh, good catch.

    Wow, they're asking $10 USD for it. I love "Far Cry" - I just spent
    several days trying to get it to run on period-authentic hardware -
    but even I think that's a bit steep for a 20-year old game.

    It makes me almost wish for the 'bad old days' of brick-n-mortar
    stores. For all the problems of traditional retail, you'd rarely see a
    game that old being sold for more than a few dollars... and more
    likely you'd get it for pennies. With limited floorspace, room on the
    shelves was a premium, and older games were frequently sold at bargain
    rates to make way for the newer titles. With digital storefronts,
    shelf-space is essentially infinite and prices have little reason to
    drop.


    TL;DR: I miss the days of leaving the game's shoppe with a bagful of
    old games and only a few dollars lighter in the wallet.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Mark P. Nelson on Mon Aug 15 08:39:43 2022
    On 14/08/2022 19:51, Mark P. Nelson wrote:
    Sadly, "Far Cry" is no longer available for sale on Steam (thanks
    Ubisoft). I have it on GOG though... but as mentioned, I wanted the
    'pure' experience so as to best match the feel of what it would be
    like to install and play the game back in 2004.

    Well, I guess I got it.;-)

    Actually you*can* still get FarCry on Steam, you just have to dig a
    little. If you go to any of the FarCry offerings and scroll down to the bundle options and look inside the bundle, you can just select out the
    first game and buy it.

    Weird, when I search Steam (UK) it comes up directly in the search list.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Mon Aug 15 09:03:42 2022
    On 14/08/2022 20:39, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 8/14/2022 11:51 AM, Mark P. Nelson wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:m01gfhhl8n7ocjj8phtjqdsh9ts19ole5l@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 16:08:20 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
    (Ross Ridge) wrote:

    Oh no. Early 'noughties' PCs were special a special time for PC
    builders. It was the start of the blinged-out PC era, and there were
    no rules on what was considered aesthetically acceptable. LEDs,
    flourescent tubes, ridiculous styling... it was an era of excess for
    PC cases. Arguably modern gaming PCs have more LEDs, but they're
    comparatively tasteful in design. This was a time when fixing a
    side-panel with a water-filled aquarium (complete with fake plastic
    fish) was considered novel and exciting! Even the wildest modern PCs
    seem tame compared to what was done in the past.


    FAKE fish? Whyever use fake fish when you can use the real thing.? ;-)

    Can't make sushi out of cooked fish.


    To be picky, you can use cooked fish in sushi even though it's
    relatively rare to see it. Sashimi on the other hand, I never seen that
    done with cooked fish.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Mon Aug 15 09:14:52 2022
    On 14/08/2022 23:10, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 18:51:56 -0000 (UTC), "Mark P. Nelson" <markpnelson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    Actually you *can* still get FarCry on Steam, you just have to dig a
    little. If you go to any of the FarCry offerings and scroll down to the
    bundle options and look inside the bundle, you can just select out the
    first game and buy it.

    Oh, good catch.

    Wow, they're asking $10 USD for it. I love "Far Cry" - I just spent
    several days trying to get it to run on period-authentic hardware -
    but even I think that's a bit steep for a 20-year old game.

    It makes me almost wish for the 'bad old days' of brick-n-mortar
    stores. For all the problems of traditional retail, you'd rarely see a
    game that old being sold for more than a few dollars... and more
    likely you'd get it for pennies. With limited floorspace, room on the
    shelves was a premium, and older games were frequently sold at bargain
    rates to make way for the newer titles. With digital storefronts,
    shelf-space is essentially infinite and prices have little reason to
    drop.


    TL;DR: I miss the days of leaving the game's shoppe with a bagful of
    old games and only a few dollars lighter in the wallet.


    I miss physical stores as the one of the problems I have with on-line
    stores is that it's not really possible to just browse around to see if
    there's something you fancy. The other thing I miss is demo CD's with magazines. Oh well, times change.

    As for pricing, I assume they know what they're are doing but yes you do
    see some old games at prices that make you think, is anyone going to buy
    it especially as you can often get a CD Key far cheaper. I did just take
    a look at Call of Duty on Steam, that's £15.

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  • From Ross Ridge@21:1/5 to Mark P. Nelson on Mon Aug 15 15:52:04 2022
    Mark P. Nelson <markpnelson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    FAKE fish? Whyever use fake fish when you can use the real thing.? ;-)

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/turn-your-aquarium-up-to-11-with-the-metalfish-pc-case

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