• Big Sky Country is big fun

    From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 10 18:37:30 2022
    Driving towards the border from Couer d'Alene (Lake City), I knew I
    was in for something special. I was headed towards some of the
    nicest-looking mountains I'd ever seen in an SCS truck simulator game.
    It's not that the other maps didn't have mountains, but more often
    than not these were represented by curvy roads with a slight increase
    in elevation surrounded by some of those implausibly-sloped hills of
    the sort you only see in video games. But with the Montana DLC, for
    the first time I really felt like I was up amongst the clouds.

    Not all of the Montana DLC's mountains are so convincing of course -
    the stretch down Route 90 between CDA and St. Regis is the most
    picturesque - but in general this expansion has much better and more
    frequent elevation changes than any other; all the other maps feel
    quite flat in comparison. The Montana DLC also has an excellent sense
    of identity and place. I can immediately tell when I've crossed over
    into the Montana DLC; for one thing, it's much /greener/ than any of
    the ATS map expansions (still not as green as some of the "EuroTruck
    Simulator" maps, though). It also looks the most 'American West' of
    any of them; I fully expect to drive by a snarling Clint Eastwood
    riding a mustang at some point.

    Much of this expansion has you cruising on the wide Interstate
    highways, unlike earlier ATS expansions which frequently took you down too-narrow local roads with too-frequent turns and intersections. On
    the one hand, this makes for a great driving experience that - at
    least for me - is the best part of the Truck Simulator series; it's
    incredibly relaxing to zen out as the miles roll past. On the other
    hand, there's a distinct lack of actual destinations to visit. There's
    a lot of Big Sky Country to see, but very little to go to. This was a
    problem shared with the Wyoming expansion too and may be
    representative of the actual state, but it does mean that a lot of
    time Montana is a state you drive through rather than a destination
    from where you pick up (or deliver) cargo.

    Still, this is a minor complaint. Even if it is the epitome of
    'fly-over country' that's only a small issue compared to its
    convincing visuals and pleasant driving. Even if the only time I ever
    see its roadways is when I'm hauling cargo to the Dakotas (assuming
    the Dakotas are ever released as an expansion), that's still worth the
    price of admission. The Montana DLC is a beautiful representation of a beautiful state and I'm glad its part of my library. It's not going to
    convince people who don't understand the appeal of the base game, but
    if you do love ATS, then this is a must-have expansion.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Wed Aug 10 20:16:02 2022
    On 8/10/2022 3:37 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    Much of this expansion has you cruising on the wide Interstate
    highways, unlike earlier ATS expansions which frequently took you down too-narrow local roads with too-frequent turns and intersections. On
    the one hand, this makes for a great driving experience that - at
    least for me - is the best part of the Truck Simulator series; it's incredibly relaxing to zen out as the miles roll past. On the other
    hand, there's a distinct lack of actual destinations to visit. There's
    a lot of Big Sky Country to see, but very little to go to. This was a
    problem shared with the Wyoming expansion too and may be
    representative of the actual state, but it does mean that a lot of
    time Montana is a state you drive through rather than a destination
    from where you pick up (or deliver) cargo.

    Having driven thru both in real life, ya, there's a ghadawful lot of
    beautiful nothing in both states. Oklahoma and a lot of Texas are like
    that too, minus the beautiful. I remember going thru Texas with its
    miles and miles of miles and miles of Interstate where the sharpest turn
    you might make all day would be about 3 degrees. I could imagine the
    road crews that laid it down celebrating when the foreman announced that
    today they got to make the 3 degree turn after three weeks of laying
    perfectly flat, perfectly straight highway. :)

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Wed Aug 10 22:28:14 2022
    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:37:30 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Driving towards the border from Couer d'Alene (Lake City), I knew I
    was in for something special. I was headed towards some of the
    nicest-looking mountains I'd ever seen in an SCS truck simulator game.
    It's not that the other maps didn't have mountains, but more often
    than not these were represented by curvy roads with a slight increase
    in elevation surrounded by some of those implausibly-sloped hills of
    the sort you only see in video games. But with the Montana DLC, for
    the first time I really felt like I was up amongst the clouds.

    Not all of the Montana DLC's mountains are so convincing of course -
    the stretch down Route 90 between CDA and St. Regis is the most
    picturesque - but in general this expansion has much better and more
    frequent elevation changes than any other; all the other maps feel
    quite flat in comparison. The Montana DLC also has an excellent sense
    of identity and place. I can immediately tell when I've crossed over
    into the Montana DLC; for one thing, it's much /greener/ than any of
    the ATS map expansions (still not as green as some of the "EuroTruck >Simulator" maps, though). It also looks the most 'American West' of
    any of them; I fully expect to drive by a snarling Clint Eastwood
    riding a mustang at some point.

    Much of this expansion has you cruising on the wide Interstate
    highways, unlike earlier ATS expansions which frequently took you down >too-narrow local roads with too-frequent turns and intersections. On
    the one hand, this makes for a great driving experience that - at
    least for me - is the best part of the Truck Simulator series; it's >incredibly relaxing to zen out as the miles roll past. On the other
    hand, there's a distinct lack of actual destinations to visit. There's
    a lot of Big Sky Country to see, but very little to go to. This was a
    problem shared with the Wyoming expansion too and may be
    representative of the actual state, but it does mean that a lot of
    time Montana is a state you drive through rather than a destination
    from where you pick up (or deliver) cargo.

    Still, this is a minor complaint. Even if it is the epitome of
    'fly-over country' that's only a small issue compared to its
    convincing visuals and pleasant driving. Even if the only time I ever
    see its roadways is when I'm hauling cargo to the Dakotas (assuming
    the Dakotas are ever released as an expansion), that's still worth the
    price of admission. The Montana DLC is a beautiful representation of a >beautiful state and I'm glad its part of my library. It's not going to >convince people who don't understand the appeal of the base game, but
    if you do love ATS, then this is a must-have expansion.




    *--

    Stop by Spalls! I live south of exit 333 on I-90, the original
    entrance to Yellowstone National Park. About 30 miles south of
    Emigrant in Paradise Valley.

    Of course, the north entrance to YNP is closed because the road got
    washed out because of the flood. The old carriage road is getting
    worked on and only open to commerical use like us fishing guides.

    :-)


    I just bought the Montana DLC for American Truck Simulator but haven't
    tried it yet.

    I have flown around here in MSFS2020 and into the park and it is an
    exact replica! I haven't looked for my house yet but seen other
    peoples!

    I do not recommend taking off of Gardiner airport in a 747 because you
    can get airborne but crash into the mountains :-)

    -pw

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Thu Aug 11 11:37:08 2022
    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 22:28:14 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    Stop by Spalls! I live south of exit 333 on I-90, the original
    entrance to Yellowstone National Park. About 30 miles south of
    Emigrant in Paradise Valley.

    The commute might be a bit long and also my auto doesn't have floaties
    so that may be a bit impractical, but thank you for the offer. ;-)


    I just bought the Montana DLC for American Truck Simulator but haven't
    tried it yet.

    I have flown around here in MSFS2020 and into the park and it is an
    exact replica! I haven't looked for my house yet but seen other
    peoples!

    Well, it better be since MS Flight Sim 2020 uses satellite imagery,
    and unless they've been taking pictures of some other planet (or,
    alternately, you live on some other planet), your house should be
    there ;-)

    Sadly, you probably won't see your home in the Montana DLC since a)
    it's not intended to be that accurate (it's more of 'create a
    representative - if somewhat idealized - feel to the region' sort of
    thing), and b) because the region is so compressed that there are
    probably only several thousand buildings on the entire map ;-)

    I do not recommend taking off of Gardiner airport in a 747 because you
    can get airborne but crash into the mountains :-)

    Which is why I keep telling the local aviation authorities that all
    747s should be equipped with RATO pods. I'm sure most passengers would
    find a 9G take-off quite exhilarating!

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Thu Aug 11 19:06:45 2022
    On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 11:37:08 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 22:28:14 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    Stop by Spalls! I live south of exit 333 on I-90, the original
    entrance to Yellowstone National Park. About 30 miles south of
    Emigrant in Paradise Valley.

    The commute might be a bit long and also my auto doesn't have floaties
    so that may be a bit impractical, but thank you for the offer. ;-)


    I just bought the Montana DLC for American Truck Simulator but haven't >>tried it yet.

    I have flown around here in MSFS2020 and into the park and it is an
    exact replica! I haven't looked for my house yet but seen other
    peoples!

    Well, it better be since MS Flight Sim 2020 uses satellite imagery,
    and unless they've been taking pictures of some other planet (or, >alternately, you live on some other planet), your house should be
    there ;-)

    Sadly, you probably won't see your home in the Montana DLC since a)
    it's not intended to be that accurate (it's more of 'create a
    representative - if somewhat idealized - feel to the region' sort of
    thing), and b) because the region is so compressed that there are
    probably only several thousand buildings on the entire map ;-)

    I do not recommend taking off of Gardiner airport in a 747 because you
    can get airborne but crash into the mountains :-)

    Which is why I keep telling the local aviation authorities that all
    747s should be equipped with RATO pods. I'm sure most passengers would
    find a 9G take-off quite exhilarating!




    *--

    Yeah, and it must make alot of noise that may be noticed around here.
    Even though some yahoo sometimes (I assume it is the same person) in
    a while shoots barrels of gas just for fun and it shakes even my house
    for a 1/2 second from a mile away. I forget what those are called.

    But living so close to YNP, some of us are always on "alert" for
    earthquakes because we supposedly are living on top of a volcano and
    the media likes it like that.

    In 30 years I have only noticed some things shaking in my office. I
    had no trouble tying a trout fly :-)

    -pw

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 11 21:51:06 2022
    On 8/11/2022 6:06 PM, PW wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 11:37:08 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 22:28:14 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    Stop by Spalls! I live south of exit 333 on I-90, the original
    entrance to Yellowstone National Park. About 30 miles south of
    Emigrant in Paradise Valley.

    The commute might be a bit long and also my auto doesn't have floaties
    so that may be a bit impractical, but thank you for the offer. ;-)


    I just bought the Montana DLC for American Truck Simulator but haven't
    tried it yet.

    I have flown around here in MSFS2020 and into the park and it is an
    exact replica! I haven't looked for my house yet but seen other
    peoples!

    Well, it better be since MS Flight Sim 2020 uses satellite imagery,
    and unless they've been taking pictures of some other planet (or,
    alternately, you live on some other planet), your house should be
    there ;-)

    Sadly, you probably won't see your home in the Montana DLC since a)
    it's not intended to be that accurate (it's more of 'create a
    representative - if somewhat idealized - feel to the region' sort of
    thing), and b) because the region is so compressed that there are
    probably only several thousand buildings on the entire map ;-)

    I do not recommend taking off of Gardiner airport in a 747 because you
    can get airborne but crash into the mountains :-)

    Which is why I keep telling the local aviation authorities that all
    747s should be equipped with RATO pods. I'm sure most passengers would
    find a 9G take-off quite exhilarating!




    *--

    Yeah, and it must make alot of noise that may be noticed around here.
    Even though some yahoo sometimes (I assume it is the same person) in
    a while shoots barrels of gas just for fun and it shakes even my house
    for a 1/2 second from a mile away. I forget what those are called.

    Fuel-Air Explosives (FAEs)? The biggest non-nuclear explosives made to
    date. :D

    But living so close to YNP, some of us are always on "alert" for
    earthquakes because we supposedly are living on top of a volcano and
    the media likes it like that.

    In 30 years I have only noticed some things shaking in my office. I
    had no trouble tying a trout fly :-)

    -pw


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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Aug 12 09:54:18 2022
    On 10/08/2022 23:37, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    Driving towards the border from Couer d'Alene (Lake City), I knew I
    was in for something special. I was headed towards some of the
    nicest-looking mountains I'd ever seen in an SCS truck simulator game.
    It's not that the other maps didn't have mountains, but more often
    than not these were represented by curvy roads with a slight increase
    in elevation surrounded by some of those implausibly-sloped hills of
    the sort you only see in video games. But with the Montana DLC, for
    the first time I really felt like I was up amongst the clouds.



    Not the type of game that I can say I understand the appeal of
    particularly. That's probably because in the UK there is no romantic
    ideal of driving a truck. Quite the opposite in fact and I'm not sure
    sitting in a stationary truck for six hours on the M20 waiting to get
    into the port of Dover would be a big seller. Press H to pee into a bottle!

    Saying that we do have a romantic ideal about trains and there's still
    lots of dads with large train sets in the loft.

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  • From Rin Stowleigh@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 13 11:27:40 2022
    What I'm looking forward to is the upcoming helicopters in Flight
    Sim... I always enjoyed flying choppers more than planes in games,
    going back to the days of Gunship for the Atari ST... and in the case
    of Flight Sim, the scenery sight seeing will be no doubt be awesome.

    Now if only they would release a combat DLC with missles and
    destructible environments, now we're talkin

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Aug 14 20:04:09 2022
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 09:54:18 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 10/08/2022 23:37, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    Driving towards the border from Couer d'Alene (Lake City), I knew I
    was in for something special. I was headed towards some of the
    nicest-looking mountains I'd ever seen in an SCS truck simulator game.
    It's not that the other maps didn't have mountains, but more often
    than not these were represented by curvy roads with a slight increase
    in elevation surrounded by some of those implausibly-sloped hills of
    the sort you only see in video games. But with the Montana DLC, for
    the first time I really felt like I was up amongst the clouds.



    Not the type of game that I can say I understand the appeal of
    particularly. That's probably because in the UK there is no romantic
    ideal of driving a truck. Quite the opposite in fact and I'm not sure
    sitting in a stationary truck for six hours on the M20 waiting to get
    into the port of Dover would be a big seller. Press H to pee into a bottle!

    Saying that we do have a romantic ideal about trains and there's still
    lots of dads with large train sets in the loft.

    *--

    There's Trainz! Pretty amazing piece of software.

    -pw

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 14 20:00:59 2022
    Yeah, and it must make alot of noise that may be noticed around here.
    Even though some yahoo sometimes (I assume it is the same person) in
    a while shoots barrels of gas just for fun and it shakes even my house
    for a 1/2 second from a mile away. I forget what those are called.

    Fuel-Air Explosives (FAEs)? The biggest non-nuclear explosives made to
    date. :D


    Seems a likely fit.

    Thanks.

    -pw

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to rstowleigh@x-nospam-x.com on Sun Aug 14 22:59:01 2022
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 11:27:40 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
    <rstowleigh@x-nospam-x.com> wrote:


    What I'm looking forward to is the upcoming helicopters in Flight
    Sim... I always enjoyed flying choppers more than planes in games,
    going back to the days of Gunship for the Atari ST... and in the case
    of Flight Sim, the scenery sight seeing will be no doubt be awesome.

    I still remember the awesome feeling of whizzing about in an Apache in
    "Gunship 2". I vaguely remember delicately navigating my way through a
    train tunnel, which I found an extremely impressive technological
    achievement.

    "Longbow" (and its similary named sequel) were perhaps the ultimate
    expressions in helicopter simulations, although by that time I was
    starting to burn on hard-core sim games. I had more fun with the
    "Comanche" series. The DID games - "Apache", "HIND" - were pretty good
    too (if a bit behind the times in terms of their visuals); they even
    had little Mujahideen soldiers firing Stingers at you. Rendering
    individual soldiers (as opposed to tanks or planes) seemed so
    high-tech back then. ;-)

    Now if only they would release a combat DLC with missles and
    destructible environments, now we're talkin

    Microsoft Combat Flight Sim 4 confirmed? ;-)

    The MS CFS series were fun games. As 'survey sims' (a flight simulator
    that covers a variety of airplanes instead of focusing on just one),
    they weren't so focused on realism that you couldn't just hop in and
    start blastin' with just a few minutes practice. This was one of the
    last flight-sims I played online and it was a lot of fun.

    Unfortunately, CFS3 was pretty much the last hurrah for Microsoft when
    it came to PC gaming; shortly after that, the company pretty much
    pulled out of the market entirely to focus on the XBox instead. But
    seeing as they've re-entered it now, maybe we'll see another "Combat
    Flight Simulator" game in the future.

    Although I'm not sure I'd want yet-another-WW2 sim. I'd love to
    dogfight an F-16 through 'Star Wars Canyon' using the MSFS2K engine,
    though ;-)

    (Plus, it might be hard for Microsoft to get high-quality satellite
    imagery for WW2-era landscapes ;-)

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