CR&P: "Completely Random And Pointless". Just in case you were
wondering. ;-)
So... it's the end of the day. Time to stop working (or go to bed). Do
you turn off your PC or leave it on?
Much to my shame, I tend to fall into the latter category. My PC is configured to sleep after a few hours anyway, so in the end there will
be some power-saving, and - who knows - I may suddenly want to use the
PC again and who wants to wait 10 seconds to get to the log-in prompt
again? Plus, all my backups and system maintenance are configured for
1AM ;-) I do power off the big-screen monitor though, just because it
doesn't go into sleep mode properly.
Oh, and once a week (every Sunday night!) I give the PC's the "night
off" and power them all down fully. Mostly I do this to ensure that I
don't have any nagging memory leaks or anything that linger around for
more than a week.
When I do shutdown, I always do a "full shutdown" rather than the
default hybrid shutdowns that Windows8/10 insist on, though. Sure, the
hybrid shutdowns may save me a few seconds bootup but I barely notice
the difference anyway, and I like the idea of starting afresh. Decades
of supporting Microsoft operating systems just don't inspire me to
trust their memory management, I guess ;-)
But I'm really wondering if I should get into the habit of powering
down more consistently at the end of each night. It's only a little
thing when it comes to the environment, but it adds up if everyone
does it...
CR&P: "Completely Random And Pointless". Just in case you were
wondering. ;-)
So... it's the end of the day. Time to stop working (or go to bed). Do
you turn off your PC or leave it on?
CR&P: "Completely Random And Pointless". Just in case you were
wondering. ;-)
So... it's the end of the day. Time to stop working (or go to bed). Do
you turn off your PC or leave it on?
Much to my shame, I tend to fall into the latter category. My PC is configured to sleep after a few hours anyway, so in the end there will
be some power-saving, and - who knows - I may suddenly want to use the
PC again and who wants to wait 10 seconds to get to the log-in prompt
again? Plus, all my backups and system maintenance are configured for
1AM ;-) I do power off the big-screen monitor though, just because it
doesn't go into sleep mode properly.
Oh, and once a week (every Sunday night!) I give the PC's the "night
off" and power them all down fully. Mostly I do this to ensure that I
don't have any nagging memory leaks or anything that linger around for
more than a week.
When I do shutdown, I always do a "full shutdown" rather than the
default hybrid shutdowns that Windows8/10 insist on, though. Sure, the
hybrid shutdowns may save me a few seconds bootup but I barely notice
the difference anyway, and I like the idea of starting afresh. Decades
of supporting Microsoft operating systems just don't inspire me to
trust their memory management, I guess ;-)
But I'm really wondering if I should get into the habit of powering
down more consistently at the end of each night. It's only a little
thing when it comes to the environment, but it adds up if everyone
does it...
CR&P: "Completely Random And Pointless". Just in case you were
wondering. ;-)
So... it's the end of the day. Time to stop working (or go to bed). Do
you turn off your PC or leave it on?
Much to my shame, I tend to fall into the latter category. My PC is configured to sleep after a few hours anyway, so in the end there will
be some power-saving, and - who knows - I may suddenly want to use the
PC again and who wants to wait 10 seconds to get to the log-in prompt
again? Plus, all my backups and system maintenance are configured for
1AM ;-) I do power off the big-screen monitor though, just because it
doesn't go into sleep mode properly.
Oh, and once a week (every Sunday night!) I give the PC's the "night
off" and power them all down fully. Mostly I do this to ensure that I
don't have any nagging memory leaks or anything that linger around for
more than a week.
When I do shutdown, I always do a "full shutdown" rather than the
default hybrid shutdowns that Windows8/10 insist on, though. Sure, the
hybrid shutdowns may save me a few seconds bootup but I barely notice
the difference anyway, and I like the idea of starting afresh. Decades
of supporting Microsoft operating systems just don't inspire me to
trust their memory management, I guess ;-)
But I'm really wondering if I should get into the habit of powering
down more consistently at the end of each night. It's only a little
thing when it comes to the environment, but it adds up if everyone
does it...
CR&P: "Completely Random And Pointless". Just in case you were
wondering. ;-)
So... it's the end of the day. Time to stop working (or go to bed). Do
you turn off your PC or leave it on?
Much to my shame, I tend to fall into the latter category. My PC is >configured to sleep after a few hours anyway, so in the end there will
be some power-saving, and - who knows - I may suddenly want to use the
PC again and who wants to wait 10 seconds to get to the log-in prompt
again? Plus, all my backups and system maintenance are configured for
1AM ;-) I do power off the big-screen monitor though, just because it
doesn't go into sleep mode properly.
Oh, and once a week (every Sunday night!) I give the PC's the "night
off" and power them all down fully. Mostly I do this to ensure that I
don't have any nagging memory leaks or anything that linger around for
more than a week.
When I do shutdown, I always do a "full shutdown" rather than the
default hybrid shutdowns that Windows8/10 insist on, though. Sure, the
hybrid shutdowns may save me a few seconds bootup but I barely notice
the difference anyway, and I like the idea of starting afresh. Decades
of supporting Microsoft operating systems just don't inspire me to
trust their memory management, I guess ;-)
But I'm really wondering if I should get into the habit of powering
down more consistently at the end of each night. It's only a little
thing when it comes to the environment, but it adds up if everyone
does it...
I have always shut mine down at night, unless I am downloading
something huge, and sometimes when I leave the house. Especially if
it is thunder and lightning...
Doesn't take long to boot up or shut down. Does that wear out the
parts shutting it down every day or something?
CR&P: "Completely Random And Pointless". Just in case you were--
wondering. ;-)
So... it's the end of the day. Time to stop working (or go to bed). Do
you turn off your PC or leave it on?
Much to my shame, I tend to fall into the latter category. My PC is configured to sleep after a few hours anyway, so in the end there will
be some power-saving, and - who knows - I may suddenly want to use the
PC again and who wants to wait 10 seconds to get to the log-in prompt
again? Plus, all my backups and system maintenance are configured for
1AM ;-) I do power off the big-screen monitor though, just because it
doesn't go into sleep mode properly.
Oh, and once a week (every Sunday night!) I give the PC's the "night
off" and power them all down fully. Mostly I do this to ensure that I
don't have any nagging memory leaks or anything that linger around for
more than a week.
When I do shutdown, I always do a "full shutdown" rather than the
default hybrid shutdowns that Windows8/10 insist on, though. Sure, the
hybrid shutdowns may save me a few seconds bootup but I barely notice
the difference anyway, and I like the idea of starting afresh. Decades
of supporting Microsoft operating systems just don't inspire me to
trust their memory management, I guess ;-)
But I'm really wondering if I should get into the habit of powering
down more consistently at the end of each night. It's only a little
thing when it comes to the environment, but it adds up if everyone
does it...
I used to turn off sleep mode as I saw too many problems with it,
but it seems to be better now, and I haven't turned it off since I
upgraded to windows 10.
CR&P: "Completely Random And Pointless". Just in case you were
wondering. ;-)
So... it's the end of the day. Time to stop working (or go to bed). Do
you turn off your PC or leave it on?
Much to my shame, I tend to fall into the latter category.
When I do shutdown, I always do a "full shutdown" rather than the
When I do shutdown, I always do a "full shutdown" rather than the
That's a neat trick, I'll try that sometime (hold Shift when choosing shutdown in win10).
Mostly now I use Sleep mode at night, or if I'm leaving briefly I'll physically turn off the monitor while leaving the system on.
On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 16:55:49 -0600, PW
<iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
I have always shut mine down at night, unless I am downloading
something huge, and sometimes when I leave the house. Especially if
it is thunder and lightning...
Doesn't take long to boot up or shut down. Does that wear out the
parts shutting it down every day or something?
One of the arguments for keeping it on is that there is an initial
surge of power / thermal expansion that - over time - would wear out a
PC's components more than if you just left the PC running. However
tests over the years have shown this to be either untrue or so
miniscule as to be unnoticable, especially given the average lifetime
of a PC.
(personally, I think the effects may have been more pronounced in the
late 90s/early 2000s when PCs were less efficient, back when it was
literally possible to cook your PC to death if it was improperly
cooled. But modern PCs are more robust... at least in this regard).
These days its more an issue of convenience (whether that is not
wanting to bother with shutting down, or the speed of boot-up, or
preferring to keep the PC on so it can run maintenance at night)
rather than worry about degrading the hardware. That, and ecological >concerns; your laptop might only draw 30 watts while its waiting for
you to come back, but add up all those million laptops and you got
some serious wastage.
rms <rsquiresMOO@mooflashmoo.net> wrote:
When I do shutdown, I always do a "full shutdown" rather than the
I just use winkey+L hot keys to make my monitor automatically sleep
after a minute(default).
Okay Spalls. It gets into the 80s here in my office so I turn it off
when I am not going to use it for a while. I also give it a good
cleaning every month.
CR&P: "Completely Random And Pointless". Just in case you were
wondering. ;-)
So... it's the end of the day. Time to stop working (or go to bed). Do
you turn off your PC or leave it on?
But I'm really wondering if I should get into the habit of powering
down more consistently at the end of each night. It's only a little
thing when it comes to the environment, but it adds up if everyone
does it...
On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 21:38:27 -0600, PW
<iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
Okay Spalls. It gets into the 80s here in my office so I turn it off
when I am not going to use it for a while. I also give it a good
cleaning every month.
Wow, a cleaning every month seems excessive unless you have a lot of
really long-hair cats or are working in a dust factory*.
Then again, who am I to judge; I give the PCs a clean-out once every
six months and even that is excessive. But there's something so
satisfying about squeaky-clean fan blades. That's not weird, is it?
;-P
Also, 80 degrees Fahrenheit (26 degrees real units) inside? That's >horrifying. I think I melt if it gets past 20 degrees (68 degrees
American).
----
* A dust factory?!?! Even I shake my head at that one
on all day; off at night. I have never put any PC is sleep mode. I sign
out when the PC is not in use during the day and do a full shutdown at
night. My updates are "on hold" until I get SBradley's review of what's
good and what's not, so being off at night and missing updates is not an >issue for me. Never had a problem with any of my machines.
On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 21:38:27 -0600, PW
<iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
Okay Spalls. It gets into the 80s here in my office so I turn it off
when I am not going to use it for a while. I also give it a good
cleaning every month.
Wow, a cleaning every month seems excessive unless you have a lot of
really long-hair cats or are working in a dust factory*.
Then again, who am I to judge; I give the PCs a clean-out once every
six months and even that is excessive. But there's something so
satisfying about squeaky-clean fan blades. That's not weird, is it?
;-P
Also, 80 degrees Fahrenheit (26 degrees real units) inside? That's >horrifying. I think I melt if it gets past 20 degrees (68 degrees
American).
----
* A dust factory?!?! Even I shake my head at that one
I suppose. But it seems so little compared to the energy needed to heat
the house in the cold months. And in the cold months the extra energy
used actually goes into heating the house.
On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 21:38:27 -0600, PW
<iamnotusing...@notinuse.com> wrote:
Okay Spalls. It gets into the 80s here in my office so I turn it offWow, a cleaning every month seems excessive unless you have a lot of
when I am not going to use it for a while. I also give it a good
cleaning every month.
really long-hair cats or are working in a dust factory*.
Then again, who am I to judge; I give the PCs a clean-out once every
six months and even that is excessive. But there's something so
satisfying about squeaky-clean fan blades. That's not weird, is it?
;-P
Also, 80 degrees Fahrenheit (26 degrees real units) inside? That's horrifying. I think I melt if it gets past 20 degrees (68 degrees
American).
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:
But I'm really wondering if I should get into the habit of powering
down more consistently at the end of each night. It's only a little
thing when it comes to the environment, but it adds up if everyone
does it...
I suppose. But it seems so little compared to the energy needed to heat
the house in the cold months. And in the cold months the extra energy
used actually goes into heating the house.
I am afraid of sleep and hibernate modes. I have no idea what they do
and worry that I wouldn't be able to access my PC after that. I don't
even know if I have a password since I do not have to sign on.
On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 21:36:33 -0600, PW
<iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
I am afraid of sleep and hibernate modes. I have no idea what they do
and worry that I wouldn't be able to access my PC after that. I don't
even know if I have a password since I do not have to sign on.
Sleep is a low-power mode. Essentially, the OS says to all running
programs, "hold off on doing anything", and then it cranks down the
power usage so its barely doing more than keeping the RAM refreshed
and be alert enough so that if somebody pokes it, it'll wake up. Most >peripherals - hard-drives, monitors, etc. - get similarly snoozed. You
still need to provide power to the PC - don't yank the power cable or
eject the battery while the PC is sleeping! - but power usage is
dropped to 90% or so.
Hibernate has the PC save its running state to disk, and then it
powers off completely. When you turn the computer back on, it
initially boots as normal, but then instead of loading everything
afresh, it loads up its previous state from disk so that all the apps
you had running and any documnets you had open are returned to the
same state as they were when you hibernated, which nominally will save
you some time. When your PC is hibernating, it's totally off; pull the >battery/plug, it won't care. Most modern PCs are configured to
hibernate if you leave your PC in sleep mode long enough.
With Windows8+ (and assuming a modern PC), the computer will also
perform a quicker boot when coming out of hibernate than it normally
would, because it isn't running the usual diagnostics, etc at
pre-boot.
I have to admit, I'm not a fan of hibernate, preferring a full
shutdown instead, but that's more because I'm an old-school user who >remembers the problems that plagued these modes in their early days. A
lot of programs didn't play well with hibernate, and either didn't
save data correctly or got confused by the time jump. Plus, older
versions of Windows weren't exactly known for their robust memory
management, so it was usually better to boot-from-new every day rather
than return to a previous day's state. But assuming relatively new
hardware and software, you should be fine using hibernate nowadays.
But I still like a fresh boot... I get a kick out of seeing the BIOS
POST screen ;-)
I read a couple years ago that BIOS wouls soon not be required to boot
up a PC and run one. I guess that went the way of a paperless
society.
I too like watching the BIOS screen starting up. Supposedly my ASUS >motherboard is a smart BIOS or something like that. That it what it
tells me each time I see it. If it is so smart, how come it keeps
telling me there is no keyboard attached? Still can't recognize USB
devices upon start!!
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