• Steam Summer Sale begins

    From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 23 15:30:05 2022
    So, the Steam Summer Sale begins, and you know what that means... time
    to bitch about Steam's sales! ;-)

    But seriously, it feels like they aren't even trying anymore. Remember
    'back when', when a seasonal Steam sale meant not only dramatic
    discounts but also fun activities? You'd visit the site frequently,
    never knowing if there was a new game featuring a precipitously steep
    discount (or, horrors, the end of a discount that passed by before you
    had a chance to see it!). Now, it's visit once - and if you're lucky -
    there might be a few games that have a marginal-enough price drop to
    that you finally consider buying them. Heck, even the days of
    collecting the stupid trading cards are over (useless except that you
    could sell them to other, stupider people and maybe scratch up enough
    extra pennies to pick up another game).

    But dutifully, I visited the site anyway. None of the sales are
    appealing; certainly none of them have dropped below their 'usual'
    sales prices (which I already find a too high for what most games are
    offering, which is why I haven't bought them yet).

    Of course, the reason for this is Valve isn't really trying anymore.
    They don't need to; they've already captured the market so completely
    that the cost of deep discounts and (marginally) fun activities isn't
    worth it. People are gonna buy from Steam regardless, so why put in
    the effort?

    Ah well. I'll just ignore this sale - as I've ignored pretty much all
    Steam sales the past few years - and just do what I normally do; buy
    from Humble or Fanatic or GOG or almost anywhere else. Steam may have
    captured the market, but they don't have any hold on my wallet. Not
    anymore.

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 23 21:34:05 2022
    Am 23.06.22 um 21:30 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
    But seriously, it feels like they aren't even trying anymore.
    Well Valve stil has exciting aspects, their hardware is top notch, I
    love my steam deck, it has become basically my main game machine.
    That thing is so convenient.
    Needless to say, if you buy a game you buy it basically only on Steam,
    because trying to get it up and running from GOG Epic you name it is a
    burden (but that is not valves fault in this case)

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Jun 23 13:39:33 2022
    On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 12:30:21 PM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    So, the Steam Summer Sale begins, and you know what that means... time
    to bitch about Steam's sales! ;-)

    But seriously, it feels like they aren't even trying anymore. Remember
    'back when', when a seasonal Steam sale meant not only dramatic
    discounts but also fun activities? You'd visit the site frequently,
    never knowing if there was a new game featuring a precipitously steep discount (or, horrors, the end of a discount that passed by before you
    had a chance to see it!). Now, it's visit once - and if you're lucky -
    there might be a few games that have a marginal-enough price drop to
    that you finally consider buying them. Heck, even the days of
    collecting the stupid trading cards are over (useless except that you
    could sell them to other, stupider people and maybe scratch up enough
    extra pennies to pick up another game).

    But dutifully, I visited the site anyway. None of the sales are
    appealing; certainly none of them have dropped below their 'usual'
    sales prices (which I already find a too high for what most games are offering, which is why I haven't bought them yet).

    Of course, the reason for this is Valve isn't really trying anymore.
    They don't need to; they've already captured the market so completely
    that the cost of deep discounts and (marginally) fun activities isn't
    worth it. People are gonna buy from Steam regardless, so why put in
    the effort?

    Ah well. I'll just ignore this sale - as I've ignored pretty much all
    Steam sales the past few years - and just do what I normally do; buy
    from Humble or Fanatic or GOG or almost anywhere else. Steam may have captured the market, but they don't have any hold on my wallet. Not
    anymore.

    There's some weird thing if you click on the green screen of a guy's face
    where it says "FREE FUN THIS WAY" I was a little leery though and didn't
    do it.

    There are a bunch of things on my wishlist on sale, but most of them,
    I agree aren't enough of a discount/same as other sales.

    * Sekiro is 50% off, $30, which I might buy.

    There's a number of very deep discounts at pittances for indy/old games
    I might buy just because they're so cheap:

    * Rise of the Triad -90% at $1.49. People have mentioned it favorably here many times as an old school Doom type game, but I'm not sure I'm really interested in it.

    * Lethe at -90% also $1.49. Some sort of horror game, I don't know why I've put it on my wishlist?

    * Seasons After the Fall -80% at $1.99. Platformer, looks cool, but I've not been much into platformers in a long long time.

    * Magicite Roguelike platformer at -75% $2.49.

    * Titanfall 2 -84% at $4.79 I've always heard talk of the Titanfall series and it looks cool.

    * Nidhogg 2 -65% at $5.24, I really enjoyed the first one, but it was very short
    I'm not sure this will be worth it even at that price.

    * Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition -70% at $5.99 I never did get very far in it when I had it back in the day, and it's one I keep meaning to replay,
    but as I didn't get very far and hated some of the changes from SSI gold
    box at the time, I'd probably have the same.

    * Wasteland 3 -67% at $13.19 - I'm really torn on this one, I finished Wasteland 2 but it wasn't my favorite. The isometric and not a lot of story didn't work well for me.

    There's a few others that aren't quite at deep discounts:

    * Outer Wilds -40% at $14.99 - Overwhelmingly Positive and I've read several people saying how great it is, but I watched a couple videos on it, and
    the platforming aspect turns me off, and I got spoiled on the videos.

    * Hades -40% at $14.99 - Overwhelmingly Positive. Rogulike looks up my alley but seems a bit steep for what it appears to be.

    * Horizon Zero Dawn -50% at $24.99. From the videos I'm just not sure, it's well loved, but not as much Elden Ring and looks a bit formulaic with flashy graphics which just doesn't do it for me.

    * No Man's Sky -50% at $29.99. Seems like it's a game I'm either going to
    love or hate, a little risky at that price.

    * Cyberpunk -50% at $29.99. I'll buy this on GoG at some point I'm sure,
    not buying it on Steam.

    - Justisaur

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 23 21:52:52 2022
    On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 13:39:33 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
    * Cyberpunk -50% at $29.99. I'll buy this on GoG at some point I'm sure,
    not buying it on Steam.

    - Justisaur




    I finally bought Cyberpunk for $29.99 from Steam. Fired it up but
    haven't played it. I didn't think the price was going to go down any
    further.

    I got an email from GOG that told me add-ons for it were added to my
    library? Huh?

    "We've added complimentary Cyberpunk 2077 Digital Goodies to your GOG
    library. Download it now. "

    It is not in my GOG library!

    -pw

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Jun 24 09:30:43 2022
    On 23/06/2022 20:30, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    So, the Steam Summer Sale begins, and you know what that means... time
    to bitch about Steam's sales! ;-)

    But seriously, it feels like they aren't even trying anymore. Remember
    'back when', when a seasonal Steam sale meant not only dramatic
    discounts but also fun activities? You'd visit the site frequently,
    never knowing if there was a new game featuring a precipitously steep discount (or, horrors, the end of a discount that passed by before you
    had a chance to see it!). Now, it's visit once - and if you're lucky -
    there might be a few games that have a marginal-enough price drop to
    that you finally consider buying them. Heck, even the days of
    collecting the stupid trading cards are over (useless except that you
    could sell them to other, stupider people and maybe scratch up enough
    extra pennies to pick up another game).


    In a strange way I kinda prefer that as it means I don't have to fight
    the urge to do what I used to do - buy a bunch of games as they looked
    ok but more importantly they were cheap. The result I ended up with the
    odd game I actually liked and bunch that I'd play for one hour (if at
    all) before never playing them again.

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  • From Ross Ridge@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Fri Jun 24 14:09:15 2022
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    But seriously, it feels like they aren't even trying anymore. Remember
    'back when', when a seasonal Steam sale meant not only dramatic
    discounts but also fun activities?

    There is a "fun activity" this sale, just click where it says "FREE
    FUN THIS WAY" near the top of the main page. It's a simple game where
    you're given clues about a fictional game, and then have to find it in
    the Steam store. You're given a link to the main category where it can
    be found and then have to find out where its been randomly placed in
    one of the subcategories.

    It's not something that's going to keep you coming back to the store,
    you can't play it again after you've completed it, though you don't need
    to complete it in one session either.

    Heck, even the days of
    collecting the stupid trading cards are over (useless except that you
    could sell them to other, stupider people and maybe scratch up enough
    extra pennies to pick up another game).

    You can still get trading cards through the usual means, completing a
    discovery queue, crafting a badge, or buying games.

    But dutifully, I visited the site anyway. None of the sales are
    appealing; certainly none of them have dropped below their 'usual'
    sales prices (which I already find a too high for what most games are >offering, which is why I haven't bought them yet).

    This,is the real problem with Steams big sales these days. It's no
    longer when you see the best prices on games.

    Of course, the reason for this is Valve isn't really trying anymore.
    They don't need to; they've already captured the market so completely
    that the cost of deep discounts and (marginally) fun activities isn't
    worth it. People are gonna buy from Steam regardless, so why put in
    the effort?

    Well, remember, aside for its own games, Valve doesn't set the discounts
    on games during the sale. It's the publishers who've discovered that
    they don't need to discount their games as much. The hype around the
    big sales means they make a ton of money with only a moderate discount,
    and so they save the big discounts for their own little sales.

    --
    l/ // Ross Ridge -- The Great HTMU
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    db //

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Mon Jun 27 16:07:49 2022
    On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 15:30:05 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    what I normally do; buy
    from Humble or Fanatic or GOG or almost anywhere else. Steam may have >captured the market, but they don't have any hold on my wallet. Not
    anymore.

    Yeah. My wishlist on Steam has previously been about 20-30 games.

    Now it's 6.

    Of course, I've "collected" enough games to play until I'm dead at this
    point, Windows backward compatibility withstanding. So I mostly purchase
    on my Switch at this point.

    --
    Zag

    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 28 13:51:45 2022
    Am 27.06.22 um 23:07 schrieb Zaghadka:
    Of course, I've "collected" enough games to play until I'm dead at this point, Windows backward compatibility withstanding. So I mostly purchase
    on my Switch at this point.
    Same in reverse, the Steam Deck basically made alternative stores like
    GOG dead to me. It is too much hazzle to buy anything from Epic Gog and
    co and then get it running on the deck, it is possible but unless a game
    comes free or is not listed on Steam and never will be. Valve atm gets
    my money.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Tue Jun 28 08:08:11 2022
    On 6/28/2022 4:51 AM, Werner P. wrote:
    Am 27.06.22 um 23:07 schrieb Zaghadka:
    Of course, I've "collected" enough games to play until I'm dead at this
    point, Windows backward compatibility withstanding. So I mostly purchase
    on my Switch at this point.
    Same in reverse, the Steam Deck basically made alternative stores like
    GOG dead to me. It is too much hazzle to buy anything from Epic Gog and
    co and then get it running on the deck, it is possible but unless a game comes free or is not listed on Steam and never will be. Valve atm gets
    my money.

    That's a serious addiction. You need an intervention. :P

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Praetor Mandrake@21:1/5 to Zaghadka on Tue Jun 28 10:17:21 2022
    On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 4:07:51 PM UTC-5, Zaghadka wrote:

    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

    That's because nobody who plays video games has died yet.

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  • From Praetor Mandrake@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Tue Jun 28 10:15:39 2022
    On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 2:30:21 PM UTC-5, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    But dutifully, I visited the site anyway. None of the sales are
    appealing; certainly none of them have dropped below their 'usual'
    sales prices (which I already find a too high for what most games are offering, which is why I haven't bought them yet).

    What planet are you from? Most of their games are on sale. Many for 80%
    All of them for at least 50%. I think you're looking at the wrong application.

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 29 12:40:21 2022
    Am 28.06.22 um 17:08 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:

    Same in reverse, the Steam Deck basically made alternative stores like
    GOG dead to me. It is too much hazzle to buy anything from Epic Gog
    and co and then get it running on the deck, it is possible but unless
    a game comes free or is not listed on Steam and never will be. Valve
    atm gets my money.

    That's a serious addiction.  You need an intervention.  :P

    Yeah someone needs to take away my Deck...
    My ***precious....

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Wed Jun 29 08:06:06 2022
    On 6/29/2022 3:40 AM, Werner P. wrote:
    Am 28.06.22 um 17:08 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:

    Same in reverse, the Steam Deck basically made alternative stores
    like GOG dead to me. It is too much hazzle to buy anything from Epic
    Gog and co and then get it running on the deck, it is possible but
    unless a game comes free or is not listed on Steam and never will be.
    Valve atm gets my money.

    That's a serious addiction.  You need an intervention.  :P

    Yeah someone needs to take away my Deck...
    My ***precious....

    We need a hobbit here, STAT!

    --
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    dirty old man.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Wed Jun 29 12:32:28 2022
    On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 13:51:45 +0200, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:

    Am 27.06.22 um 23:07 schrieb Zaghadka:
    Of course, I've "collected" enough games to play until I'm dead at this
    point, Windows backward compatibility withstanding. So I mostly purchase
    on my Switch at this point.

    Same in reverse, the Steam Deck basically made alternative stores like
    GOG dead to me. It is too much hazzle to buy anything from Epic Gog and
    co and then get it running on the deck, it is possible but unless a game >comes free or is not listed on Steam and never will be. Valve atm gets
    my money.

    Horses for courses. I had an opportunity a while back to actually play
    around with a SteamDeck, and it only reinforced my opinion that the
    device is not for me. It's neat (albeit not impressive from an
    engineering standpoint) tech, but it's so incredibly limited - too
    small screen (and only the one!), gamepad-focused controls, limited
    battery, underpowered processing, lack of significant upgrade
    capabilities, tiny storage etc. - that I couldn't see myself using it
    for more than a few weeks before it ended up with all the other mobile
    gaming devices (3DS, PSP, etc.) I've accumulated over the years.
    Better I spend my money on a proper computer. That's where I'm going
    to do most of my gaming anyway.

    But I get that some people like the advantages of mobility and are
    willing to make sacrifices to that end. I am not one of them. I like
    having a beast of a machine that can run anything I throw it, and that
    means a PC. That the SteamDeck can't run GOG game's isn't surprising
    (it's a device largely designed to promote and protect Valve's
    monopoly on PC gaming, after all) but it's just another reason for me
    to avoid the thing.

    TL;DR; I don't see the lack of GOG support on SteamDeck a fault of GOG
    as it is Valve's ;-)

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 29 19:23:42 2022
    Am 29.06.22 um 18:32 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
    But I get that some people like the advantages of mobility and are
    willing to make sacrifices to that end.
    Thats exactly why I love this device, I simply can fire it up on the
    couch or in bed.

    Re gamepad focused controls not necessarily, sort of like the steam
    controller with an additional touchscreen and second stick. Sure mouse
    and keyboard is not present on the device as hardware.
    Screen I fully agree thats the part which really annoys me, an inch or
    two more would have been great.
    Power... well it is a portable device it is fast enough for my games.

    But I agree if you want upgradability and full raw power this device is
    not for you.

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  • From Ross Ridge@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Wed Jun 29 22:43:26 2022
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    That the SteamDeck can't run GOG game's isn't surprising
    (it's a device largely designed to promote and protect Valve's
    monopoly on PC gaming, after all) but it's just another reason for me
    to avoid the thing.

    The Steam Deck can run games bought from the GOG store. The games
    are DRM-free after all, and a number of them even have Linux native
    ports. The problem is that the GOG Galaxy client doesn't have a Linux
    native port. Werner would either have to download and install the games manually, install the Galaxy client under Wine/Proton, or use some third
    party client that can download and install GOG games, but he doesn't
    want to have to do this.

    --
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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 1 08:12:59 2022
    Am 01.07.22 um 08:09 schrieb Werner P.:
    Heroic will get there that you basically download it and then have an
    icon in steam and run the game, but it is not fully there yet, lets say
    80%.
    Just forgot, the funny thing is, that Heroic atm even handles EPICs
    games better than GOGs, cloud save is fully supported on the Epic part,
    but sometimes or rather often you have to retarget or change the config
    what they install from Steam to get the game running.
    I for instance had to change the language from Rime which came from EGS
    I think from polish to a language I could understand in a config file.
    It is those small hoops which basically let you stick to steam for the purchases because it is more convenient simply.

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 1 08:09:27 2022
    Am 30.06.22 um 00:43 schrieb Ross Ridge:
    The Steam Deck can run games bought from the GOG store. The games
    are DRM-free after all, and a number of them even have Linux native
    ports. The problem is that the GOG Galaxy client doesn't have a Linux
    native port. Werner would either have to download and install the games manually, install the Galaxy client under Wine/Proton, or use some third party client that can download and install GOG games, but he doesn't
    want to have to do this.
    Yes.. you can run gog games, it is just you cannot simply run it via a
    one click install and you wont get cloud save.
    The deck itself is an open device and valve did nothing to lock it down.
    It is more that gog itself has denied a linux version of galaxy to get
    the extra functionality.

    The heroic launcher adds part of it but still has rough edges so the convenience you might expect is not there, and dosbox based games are
    not repackadged so the system tries to run the windows dosbox which
    comes with the games.

    The funny thing is, valve has all the APIs in the open the steam client
    is not a blackbox in regards where you can hook into, it is just the
    other stores which neglected Linux big time.

    Gog even gave one of the users asking for Deck support the advice to
    simply install windows on it if he wants to have better support. Epic
    outright said we will never have our client on a Valve hardware.

    Heroic will get there that you basically download it and then have an
    icon in steam and run the game, but it is not fully there yet, lets say 80%.

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Sun Jul 3 22:24:38 2022
    On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 15:30:05 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    So, the Steam Summer Sale begins, and you know what that means... time
    to bitch about Steam's sales! ;-)

    But seriously, it feels like they aren't even trying anymore. Remember
    'back when', when a seasonal Steam sale meant not only dramatic
    discounts but also fun activities? You'd visit the site frequently,
    never knowing if there was a new game featuring a precipitously steep >discount (or, horrors, the end of a discount that passed by before you
    had a chance to see it!). Now, it's visit once - and if you're lucky -
    there might be a few games that have a marginal-enough price drop to
    that you finally consider buying them. Heck, even the days of
    collecting the stupid trading cards are over (useless except that you
    could sell them to other, stupider people and maybe scratch up enough
    extra pennies to pick up another game).

    But dutifully, I visited the site anyway. None of the sales are
    appealing; certainly none of them have dropped below their 'usual'
    sales prices (which I already find a too high for what most games are >offering, which is why I haven't bought them yet).

    Of course, the reason for this is Valve isn't really trying anymore.
    They don't need to; they've already captured the market so completely
    that the cost of deep discounts and (marginally) fun activities isn't
    worth it. People are gonna buy from Steam regardless, so why put in
    the effort?

    Ah well. I'll just ignore this sale - as I've ignored pretty much all
    Steam sales the past few years - and just do what I normally do; buy
    from Humble or Fanatic or GOG or almost anywhere else. Steam may have >captured the market, but they don't have any hold on my wallet. Not
    anymore.



    *--

    Bought Cyberpunk (not played it yet), Teardown (graphics worse than
    the original Mnecraft and don't look *anything* like the Steam store
    page. I am running around with a hammer and no clue what to do.
    Probably should return it), Ace Combat 7, Forza Horizon 5. Not played
    them yet.

    -pw

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Tue Jul 5 13:20:11 2022
    On Sun, 03 Jul 2022 22:24:38 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    Bought Cyberpunk (not played it yet), Teardown (graphics worse than
    the original Mnecraft and don't look *anything* like the Steam store
    page. I am running around with a hammer and no clue what to do.
    Probably should return it), Ace Combat 7, Forza Horizon 5. Not played
    them yet.

    "Ace Combat 7" is one of those games I keep wanting to buy, even
    though I know I absolutely shouldn't because I won't enjoy it. On the
    one hand, it's absolutely gorgeous and the part of me that used to
    loves flight sims wants to zoom around in fast jets making things go
    boom. On the other hand, the "Ace Combat' flight models (if you can
    even call it that) are so ridiculously inaccurate and the storylines
    so over-the-top that I just don't find them fun at all. It's a game
    I'd happily snatch up if it were free, but - even at 9.99 I can't make
    myself pay money for it.

    But it sure is pretty...

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  • From Playtester Mandrake@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 10 13:02:45 2022
    On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 11:24:40 PM UTC-5, PW wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 15:30:05 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
    <spallsh...@gmail.com> wrote:

    So, the Steam Summer Sale begins, and you know what that means... time
    to bitch about Steam's sales! ;-)

    But seriously, it feels like they aren't even trying anymore. Remember >'back when', when a seasonal Steam sale meant not only dramatic
    discounts but also fun activities? You'd visit the site frequently,
    never knowing if there was a new game featuring a precipitously steep >discount (or, horrors, the end of a discount that passed by before you
    had a chance to see it!). Now, it's visit once - and if you're lucky - >there might be a few games that have a marginal-enough price drop to
    that you finally consider buying them. Heck, even the days of
    collecting the stupid trading cards are over (useless except that you
    could sell them to other, stupider people and maybe scratch up enough
    extra pennies to pick up another game).

    But dutifully, I visited the site anyway. None of the sales are
    appealing; certainly none of them have dropped below their 'usual'
    sales prices (which I already find a too high for what most games are >offering, which is why I haven't bought them yet).

    Of course, the reason for this is Valve isn't really trying anymore.
    They don't need to; they've already captured the market so completely
    that the cost of deep discounts and (marginally) fun activities isn't
    worth it. People are gonna buy from Steam regardless, so why put in
    the effort?

    Ah well. I'll just ignore this sale - as I've ignored pretty much all
    Steam sales the past few years - and just do what I normally do; buy
    from Humble or Fanatic or GOG or almost anywhere else. Steam may have >captured the market, but they don't have any hold on my wallet. Not >anymore.


    *--

    Bought Cyberpunk (not played it yet), Teardown (graphics worse than
    the original Mnecraft and don't look *anything* like the Steam store
    page. I am running around with a hammer and no clue what to do.
    Probably should return it), Ace Combat 7, Forza Horizon 5. Not played
    them yet.

    -pw

    I bought Sid Meier's Pirates and Child of Light.

    I have an Inspiron with 12 GB of RAM. I don't think it's allocating the memory as well as it could for games. I set aside Civilization VI and Disciples III because
    they were revving the fan too hard. I want this computer to last not to become a dusty heap. I have to be real careful about what I buy. Most new 3D games are going to overload it.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to eighty.yen.no@gmail.com on Sun Jul 10 21:08:18 2022
    On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 13:02:45 -0700 (PDT), Playtester Mandrake <eighty.yen.no@gmail.com> wrote:


    I bought Sid Meier's Pirates and Child of Light.

    I have an Inspiron with 12 GB of RAM. I don't think it's allocating the memory
    as well as it could for games. I set aside Civilization VI and Disciples III because
    they were revving the fan too hard. I want this computer to last not to become
    a dusty heap. I have to be real careful about what I buy. Most new 3D games >are going to overload it.

    (Probably preaching to the crowd here - y'all know all this already,
    I'm sure - but it's a slow day and I have to type something or they'll
    revoke my Usenet license. ;-)

    A lack of RAM isn't going to cause your CPU to work harder* and cause
    the CPU fans to spin up. That's either a lack of processing power or
    just awful thermal management. Given it's an Inspiron, I suspect the
    latter**. Most likely your computer is usually operating in throttled
    mode - fine for basic computer operations and slow enough the CPU fan
    isn't needed - but the moment you fire up a game it ups the gigahertz
    to something usable and, whoosh! You're PC sounds like a jet engine.

    Also remember that many (but not all) laptops used shared memory for
    both their main processor and their GPU (e.g., its quite possible
    1-2GB of that 12GB is being used as video memory). Civ6 has a
    surprisingly heavy VRAM footprint, considering it's a "2D" game


    On a related topic, I just replaced the CPU fans on my main PC. They
    were rattling again and I was getting tired of having to dribble a few
    drops of oil into the bearings, so I just swapped them out for some
    new ones. No more rattles!




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    * Okay, this falls into a "well, technically..." area where I have to
    add an addendum before someone points out the obvious. Not having
    enough RAM will make your computer start swapping unused programs to
    the swap drive, and yes, that does added activity does make your CPU -
    and hard-disk work harder - but that added effort isn't going to be
    enough to rev up your CPUs.

    ** I actually like Dell's laptops... but I'll also be the first to
    admit they tend not to be very good machines when it comes to
    performance. They're usually reliable and you get reasonable quality
    for the price, but in my experience, they're not the best for gaming.

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