• Free Game: Daggerfall (again)

    From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 20 12:29:22 2022
    GOG is having a sale on Bethesda games, and are sweetening the deal by
    giving away Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall https://www.gog.com/en/game/the_elder_scrolls_chapter_ii_daggerfall

    (Elder Scrolls 1: Arena is also free, but has been that way for years.
    Still, if you're interested: https://www.gog.com/en/game/the_elder_scrolls_arena)

    This offer is probably a lot less enticing than the marketing morons
    at GOG think, since the game has been free on Steam for the last
    month. Still, if you'd rather own the game on GOG (or just want it on
    multiple platforms), now's your chance.

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Fri May 20 11:40:34 2022
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:29:22 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    GOG is having a sale on Bethesda games, and are sweetening the deal by
    giving away Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall >https://www.gog.com/en/game/the_elder_scrolls_chapter_ii_daggerfall

    (Elder Scrolls 1: Arena is also free, but has been that way for years.
    Still, if you're interested: >https://www.gog.com/en/game/the_elder_scrolls_arena)

    This offer is probably a lot less enticing than the marketing morons
    at GOG think, since the game has been free on Steam for the last
    month. Still, if you'd rather own the game on GOG (or just want it on >multiple platforms), now's your chance.


    *--

    Thanks! I just got it through Steam as I can't stand the GOG
    interface.

    What is Free To Play, again? Do I have to buy stuff? Is it on-line
    only?

    -pw

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Fri May 20 20:48:10 2022
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:40:34 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:29:22 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson ><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    GOG is having a sale on Bethesda games, and are sweetening the deal by >>giving away Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall >>https://www.gog.com/en/game/the_elder_scrolls_chapter_ii_daggerfall

    What is Free To Play, again? Do I have to buy stuff? Is it on-line
    only?

    There is no hard-and-fast definition of "free-to-play". It could be
    exactly what it sounds like: here is a game, you can play it for free,
    no strings attached, everything is included".

    More often than not, however, it is associated with games where the
    core game is free but there are a lot of extras that you still have to
    pay for to get the complete experience. A lot of MMORPGs have switched
    to this model: get the base game for free, but if you want an
    expansion? Open your wallet. Need more character slots? Cha-ching!
    Extra weapons, cosmetics, etc? Not free. And so on.

    In rare cases I've seen free-to-play associated with games that offer
    free trials; 'play this game free... but only for the first week.
    After that, you'll need to pay us a subscription fee if you wanna keep
    at it.'

    "Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall" falls in the first category; download it
    from their website and its yours forever (well, so long as you don't
    delete the installer). Even if next week GOG/Bethesda decide to start
    charging $59.99/hour for the privilege of playing the game, you can
    still play it for as long as you want without paying a cent. But more
    often than not, 'free-to-play' is used to refer to the second
    definition above.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sat May 21 08:31:55 2022
    On 21/05/2022 01:48, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:40:34 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:29:22 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
    <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    GOG is having a sale on Bethesda games, and are sweetening the deal by
    giving away Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall
    https://www.gog.com/en/game/the_elder_scrolls_chapter_ii_daggerfall

    What is Free To Play, again? Do I have to buy stuff? Is it on-line
    only?

    There is no hard-and-fast definition of "free-to-play". It could be
    exactly what it sounds like: here is a game, you can play it for free,
    no strings attached, everything is included".

    More often than not, however, it is associated with games where the
    core game is free but there are a lot of extras that you still have to
    pay for to get the complete experience. A lot of MMORPGs have switched
    to this model: get the base game for free, but if you want an
    expansion? Open your wallet. Need more character slots? Cha-ching!
    Extra weapons, cosmetics, etc? Not free. And so on.

    In rare cases I've seen free-to-play associated with games that offer
    free trials; 'play this game free... but only for the first week.
    After that, you'll need to pay us a subscription fee if you wanna keep
    at it.'

    "Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall" falls in the first category; download it
    from their website and its yours forever (well, so long as you don't
    delete the installer). Even if next week GOG/Bethesda decide to start charging $59.99/hour for the privilege of playing the game, you can
    still play it for as long as you want without paying a cent. But more
    often than not, 'free-to-play' is used to refer to the second
    definition above.


    I tend to only use free-to-play for those that include some sort of micro-transactions* in them. So even something like Crusader Kings II
    where the base game is free but the are a lot of expansions to me it's
    still just free.

    When it comes to free-to-play games there is as you say a lot of
    variation in how that's implemented. Probably the worst example I've
    seen was the mobile version of Dungeon Keeper. In the UK the advertising standards authority told them to remove the free-to-play description as although it technical was it was basically unplayable without spending
    money. Having played it they had a point as I uninstalled it after about half-and-hour when it became apparently what they meant by free-to-play.

    Personally I think the whole idea has been bad for the industry as a
    whole not only because it encourages some dubious tactics from companies
    but also that it's lead to the idea of you play one game and one game
    only or player engagement to give it its nice title.

    *Micro seems to have got very large over the years.

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat May 21 08:56:52 2022
    On Sat, 21 May 2022 08:31:55 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    I tend to only use free-to-play for those that include some sort of >micro-transactions* in them. So even something like Crusader Kings II
    where the base game is free but the are a lot of expansions to me it's
    still just free.

    This is exactly my definition as well but I would not fault someone
    for using a different one.

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat May 21 09:07:06 2022
    On Sat, 21 May 2022 08:31:55 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    I tend to only use free-to-play for those that include some sort of >micro-transactions* in them. So even something like Crusader Kings II
    where the base game is free but the are a lot of expansions to me it's
    still just free.

    Just to be clear...

    DaggerFall is free.

    Lord of the Rings Online is free to play.

    World of Warcraft lets you play till level 20 but then you must get a
    sub to continue so I would call that free to try.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat May 21 12:33:11 2022
    On Sat, 21 May 2022 08:31:55 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
    On 21/05/2022 01:48, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 11:40:34 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    What is Free To Play, again? Do I have to buy stuff? Is it on-line
    only?

    There is no hard-and-fast definition of "free-to-play".

    I tend to only use free-to-play for those that include some sort of >micro-transactions* in them. So even something like Crusader Kings II
    where the base game is free but the are a lot of expansions to me it's
    still just free.

    With me, it sort of on the number and type of expansions, and how
    complete the base game is without them. "Star Wars: The Old Republic"
    (at least at the time I played it, several years ago) straddled the
    line; you got /a lot/ of core gameplay, and most of it was really well
    done... but if you wanted an extra character, or more room to store
    your loot (things I, as a grumpy old gamer, remember being something
    games used to include gratis), you had to pay extra. There were also a
    lot of extraneous cosmetics and pay-to-win (or at least,
    'pay-to-avoid-grind') microtransactions.

    Or take "Fortnite" (please). Its free-to-play mode is a complete and -
    judging by the number of players - solid experience, but it pushes
    hard on microtransactions for cosmetics, and there's an entire
    secondary gamemode that you need to buy.

    Are these free games? Free-to-play? Free-to-try? Everyone's idea of
    what makes a game 'complete' will differ, of course. So where a game
    falls in each category will be very subjective. And, lacking any
    officially or legally defined term, publishers will take advantage of
    this in their marketing.

    Personally I think the whole idea has been bad for the industry as a
    whole not only because it encourages some dubious tactics from companies
    but also that it's lead to the idea of you play one game and one game
    only or player engagement to give it its nice title.

    *Micro seems to have got very large over the years.

    From what I recall, revenue from so-called microtransactions makes up
    more than half of what big-name publishers collect every year.

    Is it bad for the industry? From the perspective of the gamer, sure.
    Features that used to be core to a game - or even secondary, but fun
    stuff, like 'big head mode' - are being stripped away so they can be
    purchased separately. The mechanics of the game are tweaked to make anti-grinding microtransactions more popular. Story and atmosphere are sacrificed as whole chunks of the game are resold as DLC ("Mass Effect
    3" being the prime example). And there's a constant, unwelcome
    pressure to buy-buy-buy being embedded into the games that fits poorly
    with the experience (not to mention, its also an unhealthy level of commercialism).

    But games are an expensive and risky investment for publishers; you
    can pour hundreds of millions of dollars into one and then - for no
    clear reason - the game will flop (see "Anthem", for example). Microtransactions help alleviate some of that risk; instead of the
    boom-or-bust cycle, they provide a constant trickle of income that
    can, in the long term, more than offset any losses from an
    unpredictibly unpopular game. It also has the added benefit of
    allowing data collection, and 'locking down' fickle customers who
    might otherwise flit away to some other game. So from the perspective
    of the industry, microtransactions are great. Which is, of course, why
    they've come to dominate the market.

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 21 20:52:17 2022
    On Sat, 21 May 2022 09:07:06 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 21 May 2022 08:31:55 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    I tend to only use free-to-play for those that include some sort of >>micro-transactions* in them. So even something like Crusader Kings II
    where the base game is free but the are a lot of expansions to me it's >>still just free.

    Just to be clear...

    DaggerFall is free.

    Lord of the Rings Online is free to play.

    World of Warcraft lets you play till level 20 but then you must get a
    sub to continue so I would call that free to try.

    *--

    I think that clears it up for me Mike.

    Thanks!

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