• Free Game: Borderlands 3

    From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 19 13:41:51 2022
    Thursdays. I never could get the hang of Thursdays.

    But at least we get a free game today. This week:

    Borderlands 3
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/borderlands-3

    The Borderlands franchise has been pretty hit or miss for me. Its
    humor is not quite to my taste, and its emphasis on the quantity of
    its weapons over their quality is turn-off. But its got reasonably
    good production values, and the gunplay is fairly satisfying. It's not
    a game I'd rush out to buy, but if its free, it's worth grabbing it.
    If you like looter-shooters, you'll enjoy this a lot; if you're not
    into the genre, you still may find some enjoyment just for the
    shooting and imaginative setting. It's not going to make any converts,
    but there are worse games out there.

    You got a week to grab it free, before they have the gall to make you
    pay money for the privilege, so don't waste any time.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu May 19 13:05:07 2022
    Dang. I just saw your post after posting about it. Haha.


    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    Thursdays. I never could get the hang of Thursdays.

    But at least we get a free game today. This week:

    Borderlands 3
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/borderlands-3

    The Borderlands franchise has been pretty hit or miss for me. Its
    humor is not quite to my taste, and its emphasis on the quantity of
    its weapons over their quality is turn-off. But its got reasonably
    good production values, and the gunplay is fairly satisfying. It's not
    a game I'd rush out to buy, but if its free, it's worth grabbing it.
    If you like looter-shooters, you'll enjoy this a lot; if you're not
    into the genre, you still may find some enjoyment just for the
    shooting and imaginative setting. It's not going to make any converts,
    but there are worse games out there.

    You got a week to grab it free, before they have the gall to make you
    pay money for the privilege, so don't waste any time.

    --
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu May 19 18:02:34 2022
    They should had released the first two since I have never played them
    before. :P


    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    Thursdays. I never could get the hang of Thursdays.

    But at least we get a free game today. This week:

    Borderlands 3
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/borderlands-3

    The Borderlands franchise has been pretty hit or miss for me. Its
    humor is not quite to my taste, and its emphasis on the quantity of
    its weapons over their quality is turn-off. But its got reasonably
    good production values, and the gunplay is fairly satisfying. It's not
    a game I'd rush out to buy, but if its free, it's worth grabbing it.
    If you like looter-shooters, you'll enjoy this a lot; if you're not
    into the genre, you still may find some enjoyment just for the
    shooting and imaginative setting. It's not going to make any converts,
    but there are worse games out there.

    You got a week to grab it free, before they have the gall to make you
    pay money for the privilege, so don't waste any time.

    --
    Quiet cooler week so far, but will today be slammy? Celtics have better get burned by Miami Heat!
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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Ross Ridge on Thu May 19 18:59:48 2022
    On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 6:26:30 PM UTC-7, Ross Ridge wrote:
    Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    They should had released the first two since I have never played them >before. :P
    They actually have given away Borderlands 2 and Borderlands: The
    Pre-Sequel before, but not the original Borderlands game which doesn't
    even appear to be for sale on their store. The story isn't very deep
    in these games, so you're not going to miss anything by playing them
    out of order, although I think most people here prefer the first game
    over the others.

    I might have liked 2 better? I didn't really like B1 much until I got the DLCs. I think for someone new to the franchise I'd send them at the one
    set on a moon. I think that's the Pre-Sequel? The mechanics of the game
    are the best of them, I was just a bit bored of yet another Borderlands at
    the time.

    The one thing I did prefer about B1 is that all the latter ones make you farm
    a lot more.

    - Justisaur

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  • From Ross Ridge@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri May 20 01:26:27 2022
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    They should had released the first two since I have never played them
    before. :P

    They actually have given away Borderlands 2 and Borderlands: The
    Pre-Sequel before, but not the original Borderlands game which doesn't
    even appear to be for sale on their store. The story isn't very deep
    in these games, so you're not going to miss anything by playing them
    out of order, although I think most people here prefer the first game
    over the others.

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Thu May 19 20:42:10 2022
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 13:41:51 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Thursdays. I never could get the hang of Thursdays.

    But at least we get a free game today. This week:

    Borderlands 3
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/borderlands-3

    The Borderlands franchise has been pretty hit or miss for me. Its
    humor is not quite to my taste, and its emphasis on the quantity of
    its weapons over their quality is turn-off. But its got reasonably
    good production values, and the gunplay is fairly satisfying. It's not
    a game I'd rush out to buy, but if its free, it's worth grabbing it.
    If you like looter-shooters, you'll enjoy this a lot; if you're not
    into the genre, you still may find some enjoyment just for the
    shooting and imaginative setting. It's not going to make any converts,
    but there are worse games out there.

    You got a week to grab it free, before they have the gall to make you
    pay money for the privilege, so don't waste any time.

    *--

    I like Borderlands 2 until I got sick of the long way between
    checkpoints and rinse and repeat.

    Didn't like the reviews of this one but I grabbed and even installed
    it! It's free!

    -pw

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to Ross Ridge on Fri May 20 08:44:34 2022
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 01:26:27 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
    (Ross Ridge) wrote:

    They actually have given away Borderlands 2 and Borderlands: The
    Pre-Sequel before, but not the original Borderlands game which doesn't
    even appear to be for sale on their store. The story isn't very deep
    in these games, so you're not going to miss anything by playing them
    out of order, although I think most people here prefer the first game
    over the others.

    I loved the original Borderlands. I played the sequel for a time with
    a friend and I liked how certain things in the sequel worked better.

    For instance, in the original, when you earn the in-game achievements
    (called Challenges I think) you get experience points as a reward.
    But if you do all the side content, you are going to max out your
    character level anyway by end-game.

    In Borderlands 2, when you earn in-game achievements, you earn points
    that you spend on upgrading your character statistics. The best part
    is, these points you earn are applied to all characters on your
    account.

    The two problems I remember being brought up about Borderlands 2 is..

    1. The story sucked. Well, no problem for me, I don't care about that.

    2. Crappy loot table requiring you to grind too much for gear. This
    does suck if it is true. And I believe it is true because I read this
    not only here on Usenet, but on forums elsewhere.

    In short, I think the first two Borderlands are both worth playing if
    you want a first person shooter with Diablo style loot. I also agree,
    that you can easily play them out of order.

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Fri May 20 08:49:43 2022
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 20:42:10 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    I like Borderlands 2 until I got sick of the long way between
    checkpoints and rinse and repeat.

    This was never an issue in the first game for me and I hope it does
    not become an issue for me in the second game.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Fri May 20 12:37:19 2022
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 20:42:10 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 13:41:51 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson ><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    But at least we get a free game today. This week:
    Borderlands 3
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/borderlands-3

    I like Borderlands 2 until I got sick of the long way between
    checkpoints and rinse and repeat.

    I never really cared for the franchise at all. Looter-shooters are too repetitive for my liking, and the 'excitement' of getting a gun that
    does 5% more damage than the one I'm already holding totally escapes
    me. I've played them, but a lot of the experience is "I've started the
    thing, and I'll be damned if I don't get to the end" determination
    rather than "wheee, this is great!" joy.

    Having said that, there was a DLC - I think for the second game? -
    that half-transformed the game into a whimsical D&D session, which was
    just off-beat enough and just different enough that it made the game
    somewhat enjoyable. It didn't justify the price of the whole package
    and I wouldn't recommend anyone buy the game just for that DLC, but it
    was a bright spot in an otherwise dreary slog.


    Didn't like the reviews of this one but I grabbed and even installed
    it! It's free!

    That's the spirit!

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Fri May 20 14:07:46 2022
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:37:19 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    I never really cared for the franchise at all. Looter-shooters are too >repetitive for my liking, and the 'excitement' of getting a gun that
    does 5% more damage than the one I'm already holding totally escapes
    me. I've played them, but a lot of the experience is "I've started the
    thing, and I'll be damned if I don't get to the end" determination
    rather than "wheee, this is great!" joy.

    If you have any real world friends who play video games, try
    Borderlands with them. I have played it both solo and with friends and
    while I obviously like this game more then you did solo, I still had a
    better time playing it multiplayer. Loot type games (Borderlands,
    Diablo, etc..) are always more fun with friends.

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sat May 21 00:57:13 2022
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> writes:

    I never really cared for the franchise at all. Looter-shooters are too repetitive for my liking, and the 'excitement' of getting a gun that
    does 5% more damage than the one I'm already holding totally escapes
    me. I've played them, but a lot of the experience is "I've started the
    thing, and I'll be damned if I don't get to the end" determination
    rather than "wheee, this is great!" joy.

    For me it's not about the loot that much, there's also character
    development. Of course, that too is about 5% damage increments but you
    do get up to a minor god's level of mayhem. This wasn't so good in the
    original (took too long to develop the character) but BL2 and BL3 have
    some pretty tasty setups achievable without ridiculous amount of
    grinding for loot.

    Having said that, there was a DLC - I think for the second game? -
    that half-transformed the game into a whimsical D&D session, which was
    just off-beat enough and just different enough that it made the game
    somewhat enjoyable. It didn't justify the price of the whole package
    and I wouldn't recommend anyone buy the game just for that DLC, but it
    was a bright spot in an otherwise dreary slog.

    Gearbox turned that DLC into a standalone, "Tiny Tina's Assault on
    Dragon Keep". I think it was a giveaway at some point on some condition,
    like maybe owning BL3? Really marketing for their almost but not quite Borderlands game, Tiny Tina's Wonderlands.

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to Mike S. on Sat May 21 00:45:46 2022
    Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> writes:

    I like Borderlands 2 until I got sick of the long way between
    checkpoints and rinse and repeat.

    This was never an issue in the first game for me and I hope it does
    not become an issue for me in the second game.

    As I recall, the main BL2 plot missions are quite long and PW got stuck
    in the first one. I think I guessed then they're about an hour and a
    half of play time long and there's no resuming those missions if you
    quit the game. I remember someone else said no to my guesstimate so
    YMMV.

    By playtime I think I've played BL2 the most, BL3 second most maybe, or
    could be BL1 too. The pre-sequel I liked the least.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 20 20:58:36 2022
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 14:07:46 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 20 May 2022 12:37:19 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson ><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    I never really cared for the franchise at all. Looter-shooters are too >>repetitive for my liking, and the 'excitement' of getting a gun that
    does 5% more damage than the one I'm already holding totally escapes
    me. I've played them, but a lot of the experience is "I've started the >>thing, and I'll be damned if I don't get to the end" determination
    rather than "wheee, this is great!" joy.

    If you have any real world friends who play video games, try
    Borderlands with them. I have played it both solo and with friends and
    while I obviously like this game more then you did solo, I still had a
    better time playing it multiplayer. Loot type games (Borderlands,
    Diablo, etc..) are always more fun with friends.

    Of my real world chums, only one of them is a PC gamer (when the
    others play games its on consoles, and even then not too often). He
    absolutely detested "Borderlands". I don't think I'd get very far
    suggesting a multiplayer match with him if I suggested that game ;-)

    But then, I don't think it would really change my opinion of the game
    either. I'm not a tremendous fan of multiplayer to begin with;
    there's too much focus on the mechanics and not enough on the game's
    atmosphere and story. I can often tolerate the mode - even eke out
    some enjoyment - but its always an inferior experience over the
    singleplayer. And that's assuming I enjoy the base game to begin with;
    with Borderlands, I'd already be disappointed; playing it in
    'less-fun' multiplayer mode wouldn't improve things.

    Some people play games for the 'gaming' aspect of the thing; the
    challenge, the competitiveness, the thrill of mastering the mechanics
    of how it all works. Story and atmosphere are just the spice that make
    things more interesting. Other people - myself - feel the opposite.
    Neither side has it wrong, and so long as they keep making games for
    both camps, I'm not gonna complain... well, not too much ;-)

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Sat May 21 08:55:13 2022
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 20:58:36 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Of my real world chums, only one of them is a PC gamer (when the
    others play games its on consoles, and even then not too often). He >absolutely detested "Borderlands". I don't think I'd get very far
    suggesting a multiplayer match with him if I suggested that game ;-)

    Heh ok. I never would have purchased this game as first person
    shooters are definitely not my thing. I also am not really a fan of
    the setting either as I prefer fantasy. I only bought this game
    because two friends were buying it and I did not want to be left out
    of playing it with them. I was just really surprised of how much I
    ended up liking it. Enough to play it myself solo when they had their
    fill of it.

    It makes me wonder what other games I would enjoy.

    Some people play games for the 'gaming' aspect of the thing; the
    challenge, the competitiveness, the thrill of mastering the mechanics
    of how it all works. Story and atmosphere are just the spice that make
    things more interesting. Other people - myself - feel the opposite.
    Neither side has it wrong, and so long as they keep making games for
    both camps, I'm not gonna complain... well, not too much ;-)

    Yeah, story and atmosphere is very secondary to me. How a game works
    and how it plays is what I really care about.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Mike S. on Sun May 22 11:29:07 2022
    On 21/05/2022 13:55, Mike S. wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 20:58:36 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Of my real world chums, only one of them is a PC gamer (when the
    others play games its on consoles, and even then not too often). He
    absolutely detested "Borderlands". I don't think I'd get very far
    suggesting a multiplayer match with him if I suggested that game ;-)

    Heh ok. I never would have purchased this game as first person
    shooters are definitely not my thing. I also am not really a fan of
    the setting either as I prefer fantasy. I only bought this game
    because two friends were buying it and I did not want to be left out
    of playing it with them. I was just really surprised of how much I
    ended up liking it. Enough to play it myself solo when they had their
    fill of it.

    It makes me wonder what other games I would enjoy.


    I've had a few of them - BL:1, Torchlight II and Titan Quest spring to
    mind. I did play, and enjoy, them for many hours but I can't say I
    thought they were good games (yes, I realise that sounds a bit strange)
    but instead there were a nice change of pace from the type of games I
    normally play.

    Some people play games for the 'gaming' aspect of the thing; the
    challenge, the competitiveness, the thrill of mastering the mechanics
    of how it all works. Story and atmosphere are just the spice that make
    things more interesting. Other people - myself - feel the opposite.
    Neither side has it wrong, and so long as they keep making games for
    both camps, I'm not gonna complain... well, not too much ;-)

    Yeah, story and atmosphere is very secondary to me. How a game works
    and how it plays is what I really care about.

    I'm certainly with Spalls in the story and atmosphere are the most
    important thing to me. It's one of the issues I have with some CRPG's. I
    play them mainly for the story but they can also a heavy focus on the mechanical side. Divinity:Original Sin is a good example of that. I'm
    fine with the idea that combat should be a bit of a challenge but I'm
    not interested in having to work out what makes a good character build.

    As you say though, horses for courses and all that.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun May 22 12:37:20 2022
    On Sun, 22 May 2022 11:29:07 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
    On 21/05/2022 13:55, Mike S. wrote:
    On Fri, 20 May 2022 20:58:36 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
    <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Of my real world chums, only one of them is a PC gamer (when the
    others play games its on consoles, and even then not too often). He
    absolutely detested "Borderlands". I don't think I'd get very far
    suggesting a multiplayer match with him if I suggested that game ;-)

    Heh ok. I never would have purchased this game as first person
    shooters are definitely not my thing. I also am not really a fan of
    the setting either as I prefer fantasy. I only bought this game
    because two friends were buying it and I did not want to be left out
    of playing it with them. I was just really surprised of how much I
    ended up liking it. Enough to play it myself solo when they had their
    fill of it.

    It makes me wonder what other games I would enjoy.

    I've had a few of them - BL:1, Torchlight II and Titan Quest spring to
    mind. I did play, and enjoy, them for many hours but I can't say I
    thought they were good games (yes, I realise that sounds a bit strange)
    but instead there were a nice change of pace from the type of games I >normally play.

    Some people play games for the 'gaming' aspect of the thing; the
    challenge, the competitiveness, the thrill of mastering the mechanics
    of how it all works. Story and atmosphere are just the spice that make
    things more interesting. Other people - myself - feel the opposite.
    Neither side has it wrong, and so long as they keep making games for
    both camps, I'm not gonna complain... well, not too much ;-)

    Yeah, story and atmosphere is very secondary to me. How a game works
    and how it plays is what I really care about.

    I'm certainly with Spalls in the story and atmosphere are the most
    important thing to me. It's one of the issues I have with some CRPG's. I
    play them mainly for the story but they can also a heavy focus on the >mechanical side. Divinity:Original Sin is a good example of that. I'm
    fine with the idea that combat should be a bit of a challenge but I'm
    not interested in having to work out what makes a good character build.

    As you say though, horses for courses and all that.

    Yeah, neither interests are mutually exclusive. I'm not opposed to a
    challenge in a game, but the idea of having to figure out an optimal
    min/max strategy for a game strikes me as tedious to the extreme; it's
    like financial accounting, but with more explosions. ;-)

    It's why I sometimes prefer corridor-shooters to open world games, and
    games with a single character and fixed weapon set to a game where you
    can mix-n-match character skills and gear in near-infinite
    combinations; the limited options lets me better focus on the stuff I
    /do/ appreciate: the world-building, the visuals, the characters and
    story... all that 'fluff'.

    Of course, a good story will have some sense of progression, a feeling
    of growth and empowerment, and challenging gameplay enhances that...
    but at the same time, too much focus on the mechanics bogs down the
    pacing. (On the other hand, the lack of challenge is equally
    distressing, as is all too obvious in far too many 'walking sims').
    It's a delicate balancing act and while few (no?) games manage it
    perfectly, most are close enough to be enjoyable. "Borderlands" just
    happens to tip a bit too much on the mechanical side for my liking.

    But if others like it, that's great. Their 'side' can keep developing
    new and interesting ways of challenging the player, and my 'side' can
    steal the best of their ideas to enhance the narratives of 'our' games
    ('They' can borrow some of 'our' ideas with regards on presentation).
    It's win-win, as far as I'm concerned ;-)

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Mon May 23 09:44:54 2022
    On 22/05/2022 17:37, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    Of course, a good story will have some sense of progression, a feeling
    of growth and empowerment, and challenging gameplay enhances that...
    but at the same time, too much focus on the mechanics bogs down the
    pacing. (On the other hand, the lack of challenge is equally
    distressing, as is all too obvious in far too many 'walking sims').
    It's a delicate balancing act and while few (no?) games manage it
    perfectly, most are close enough to be enjoyable. "Borderlands" just
    happens to tip a bit too much on the mechanical side for my liking.


    I'm a big fan of walking sims if they're done right and for me that
    means the story has to engage me and I have investment in the outcome
    for my character. Two of my favourites in the genre are What Became of
    Edith Finch and Firewatch. Firewatch managed to pull of that rather rare
    thing of making me interested in the dialogue with the woman over the
    radio. The other small, but I thought nice touch, was making the map a
    physical one which you held in front of you and then used your compass
    to navigate. That means you don't have a this is how you get to location
    X mechanic that pulls you out of the immersion.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon May 23 13:01:06 2022
    On Mon, 23 May 2022 09:44:54 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 22/05/2022 17:37, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    Of course, a good story will have some sense of progression, a feeling
    of growth and empowerment, and challenging gameplay enhances that...
    but at the same time, too much focus on the mechanics bogs down the
    pacing. (On the other hand, the lack of challenge is equally
    distressing, as is all too obvious in far too many 'walking sims').
    It's a delicate balancing act and while few (no?) games manage it
    perfectly, most are close enough to be enjoyable. "Borderlands" just
    happens to tip a bit too much on the mechanical side for my liking.


    I'm a big fan of walking sims if they're done right and for me that
    means the story has to engage me and I have investment in the outcome
    for my character. Two of my favourites in the genre are What Became of
    Edith Finch and Firewatch. Firewatch managed to pull of that rather rare >thing of making me interested in the dialogue with the woman over the
    radio. The other small, but I thought nice touch, was making the map a >physical one which you held in front of you and then used your compass
    to navigate. That means you don't have a this is how you get to location
    X mechanic that pulls you out of the immersion.

    "Firewatch" is one of the rare walking sims I think really works,
    largely because it has an interesting narrative and characters to
    drive the story onward. The excellent dialogue system also invests a
    certain - and very necessary - pacing to the story, which is an
    absolutely vital (and too often forgotten by many game designers) part
    of the experience.

    My only complaints with the game are that it too often made you feel
    that you could 'game' your way to a 'best' ending, which distracts
    from the overall narrative. Then again, I'm not sure how I'd design a
    game that didn't have that problem, and - at least in "Firewatch's"
    instance - this is some way played into the overall message of the
    game of accepting what life throws at you and not escaping into the
    fantasy of reaching a problem-free life. Also, the extremely low-key
    start to the game does it absolutley no favors; I bet that most of the
    players who abandoned the game did it long before they actually
    reached the watch tower.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Mike S. on Tue May 24 13:25:01 2022
    On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 5:49:46 AM UTC-7, Mike S. wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 20:42:10 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusing...@notinuse.com> wrote:

    I like Borderlands 2 until I got sick of the long way between
    checkpoints and rinse and repeat.
    This was never an issue in the first game for me and I hope it does
    not become an issue for me in the second game.

    It was so bad in BL2 I fired up cheat engine and changed the chance
    of the different tiers of weapons dropping so I didn't have to spend
    months grinding for a particular weapon.

    They backed off that in the Prequell and BL3 fortunately.

    - Justisaur

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Tue May 24 13:29:03 2022
    On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 9:37:36 AM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 20:42:10 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusing...@notinuse.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 13:41:51 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
    <spallsh...@gmail.com> wrote:

    But at least we get a free game today. This week:
    Borderlands 3
    https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/borderlands-3
    I like Borderlands 2 until I got sick of the long way between
    checkpoints and rinse and repeat.
    I never really cared for the franchise at all. Looter-shooters are too repetitive for my liking, and the 'excitement' of getting a gun that
    does 5% more damage than the one I'm already holding totally escapes
    me. I've played them, but a lot of the experience is "I've started the
    thing, and I'll be damned if I don't get to the end" determination
    rather than "wheee, this is great!" joy.

    Having said that, there was a DLC - I think for the second game? -
    that half-transformed the game into a whimsical D&D session, which was
    just off-beat enough and just different enough that it made the game
    somewhat enjoyable. It didn't justify the price of the whole package
    and I wouldn't recommend anyone buy the game just for that DLC, but it
    was a bright spot in an otherwise dreary slog.

    Tiny Tina's Assault on on Dragon Keep. That was pretty good.

    Personally I preferred Mr. Torgue's Campaign of Carnage because of EXPLOOOOOOOSIONS!

    - Justisaur

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Wed May 25 11:11:57 2022
    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> writes:

    Personally I preferred Mr. Torgue's Campaign of Carnage because of EXPLOOOOOOOSIONS!

    The Torque DLC also kinda brought back legendaries in vending machines
    but since you needed Torque money for those Torque vendors and there
    wasn't much of that around, it didn't really work.

    I can't remember much more about the Torque DLC though. None of the BL2
    DLCs seem to have left much of a mark in my memory except the Tiny Tina
    one. Well, there was the hunting DLC but I remember that only because it
    had some of the super annoying enemies that level up. Although the only
    time I tried that was during some loot event and my character was really
    too low level to get anywhere and then the enemies leveling up made it
    nearly impossible. In contrast the Tiny Tina DLC had one such mid boss
    and you could just avoid the fight as I recall.

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to justisaur@gmail.com on Wed May 25 08:41:11 2022
    On Tue, 24 May 2022 13:25:01 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
    <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

    It was so bad in BL2 I fired up cheat engine and changed the chance
    of the different tiers of weapons dropping so I didn't have to spend
    months grinding for a particular weapon.

    They backed off that in the Prequell and BL3 fortunately.

    - Justisaur

    I was replying to PW who was complaining about the checkpoint save
    system, not the loot table.

    However, I just did a quick google, and there does seem to be mods
    for better loot drop chances. I will look into them more closely when
    I get around to playing Borderlands 2.

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