• NFTs created by 15 year old who cried after his character nerfed in wow

    From Justisaur@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 17 07:27:10 2022
    https://www.polygon.com/22709126/ethereum-creator-world-of-warcraft-nerf-nft-vitalik-buterin

    So you don't have to read the stupid page, the relevant quotes:

    “I happily played World of Warcraft during 2007-2010, but one day Blizzard removed the damage component from my beloved warlock’s Siphon Life spell...I cried myself to sleep, and on that day I realized what horrors centralized services can bring.”

    (I am a) “intellectual hipster meta-contrarian,” (my occupation) “it’s complicated”

    I have no idea how NFTs would prevent this by the way.

    Also for us D&D aficionados, the NFT (Non Fungible Trident):

    https://external-preview.redd.it/hrgSP1rL2COo31tVU1CNZSIZKdKdJZfbQUfAydO91d0.jpg?auto=webp&s=bbc281a631fc2c6055b94704695d7cb2af700139

    - Justisaur

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 17 19:21:40 2022
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 07:27:10 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
    <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

    Before I go on, I just want it noted that for once I didn't start an
    NFT thread. I mean, I may be continuing it, but I didn't /start/ it
    this time ;-)

    https://www.polygon.com/22709126/ethereum-creator-world-of-warcraft-nerf-nft-vitalik-buterin
    So you don't have to read the stupid page, the relevant quotes:

    I happily played World of Warcraft during 2007-2010, but one
    day Blizzard removed the damage component from my beloved
    warlocks Siphon Life spell... I cried myself to sleep, and on that
    day I realized what horrors centralized services can bring."

    I have no idea how NFTs would prevent this by the way.

    They can't... but then I don't think that was his intent. It was just
    a motivator: "Something I didn't like happened because it was
    centralized, ergo centralized services are evil, ergo I should create
    something non-centralized." Or something along those lines. I suspect.

    What is particularly amusing is that Ethereum and the like are
    becoming increasingly non-centralized, even if not in their core
    technology, but rather through the use of exchanges. Nominally, if
    everyone ran their own exchanges this wouldn't be a problem, but
    almost nobody wants to do that - and in the case of people using
    mobile devices to access their wallets, they CAN'T do that - so
    instead they go through a centralized exchange.

    Exchanges run the servers that directly interface with the ethereum
    nodes and then pass the info back to the clients. But if these
    exchanges - for one reason or another - decide not to display parts of
    the blockchain - they more or less cease to exist. Oh sure, those
    tokens are still out there on the blockchain and if you access the
    nodes directly you can see them... but unless you get anyone else to
    use your server rather than a validated exchange, good luck doing
    anything with them beyond looking at them.

    (I'm not sure if this has ever happened with actual coins... but some
    NFTs have been removed from exchanges, leaving them orphaned)

    Not to mention that blockchain validity is determined by the majority,
    so if 51% of the blockchain says a token belongs to user X, it belongs
    to user X (either that or the blockchain can split). There are
    suggestions that the Chinese government is - or was - hoarding tokens
    just to gain this sort of dominance over the blockchain.

    And even beyond that, there's the 'real' financial institutions that
    still maintain a good deal of control. Because, after all, bitcoins
    and ethereum and NFTs themselves are valueless, being nothing more
    than a string of electrical impulses, and unless you can tie them to
    something of real-world value, you can't DO anything with them. And increasingly, that 'tying to something of value' is coming under the
    control of banks and governments. It isn't a watertight grip (yet) but
    it is already under enough scrutiny to make its founding 'ideals' of
    an unregulated currency nonsense, at least for the majority of users
    who might want to use it for something other than buying other
    crypto-coins or NFTs.

    Long story short: his attempt to disprove the value of centralized
    services by creating Ethereum only resulted in creating a
    resource-hungry technology behind which new and old power blocks still
    control things. But, of course, ultimately that's the unspoken goal of
    modern crypto-currencies. For all their bemoaning about fiat
    currencies and centralized banking systems and how they want to bring
    freedom to the masses, ultimately its really about their not being the
    ones at top. Crypto is merely a method by which they hope to become
    the top-dogs, the guys with the power and the cash, even if it means dismantling any and all financial and legal protections and cheating
    the less fortunate to get there.

    Also for us D&D aficionados, the NFT (Non Fungible Trident): >https://external-preview.redd.it/hrgSP1rL2COo31tVU1CNZSIZKdKdJZfbQUfAydO91d0.jpg?auto=webp&s=bbc281a631fc2c6055b94704695d7cb2af700139

    Needs the following information added:
    Purchase value: 100,000 gp
    Resell value: 30cp

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Tue May 17 17:40:00 2022
    On 5/17/2022 4:21 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 07:27:10 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
    <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

    Before I go on, I just want it noted that for once I didn't start an
    NFT thread. I mean, I may be continuing it, but I didn't /start/ it
    this time ;-)

    You started the whole discussion of NFTs so all NFT threads are your
    fault and you will be blamed accordingly.

    :P


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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Wed May 18 09:13:49 2022
    On 17/05/2022 15:27, Justisaur wrote:
    https://www.polygon.com/22709126/ethereum-creator-world-of-warcraft-nerf-nft-vitalik-buterin

    So you don't have to read the stupid page, the relevant quotes:

    “I happily played World of Warcraft during 2007-2010, but one day Blizzard removed the damage component from my beloved warlock’s Siphon Life spell...I cried myself to sleep, and on that day I realized what horrors centralized services can bring.”

    (I am a) “intellectual hipster meta-contrarian,” (my occupation) “it’s complicated”

    I have no idea how NFTs would prevent this by the way.

    Also for us D&D aficionados, the NFT (Non Fungible Trident):

    https://external-preview.redd.it/hrgSP1rL2COo31tVU1CNZSIZKdKdJZfbQUfAydO91d0.jpg?auto=webp&s=bbc281a631fc2c6055b94704695d7cb2af700139


    The one I found amusing was recently a company took a bunch of abandonware/freeware games and packaged them up as NFT's. Now as
    expected some companies pointed out they were the ones who owned those
    games so they had no right to do this. The net result, the game part was removed and anyone who bought one of these NFT's was left with just a
    receipt.

    But, but ... it's just that you're to stupid to understand why NFT's are
    a great idea!

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Wed May 18 13:52:39 2022
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 17:40:00 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 5/17/2022 4:21 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    Before I go on, I just want it noted that for once I didn't start an
    NFT thread. I mean, I may be continuing it, but I didn't /start/ it
    this time ;-)

    You started the whole discussion of NFTs so all NFT threads are your
    fault and you will be blamed accordingly.

    Fair enough.

    But I at least want credit for trying to LIMIT how often I bring up
    NFTs. You can give me that much, cantcha? ;-)

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed May 18 14:11:27 2022
    On Wed, 18 May 2022 09:13:49 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 15:27, Justisaur wrote:

    But, but ... it's just that you're to stupid to understand why NFT's are
    a great idea!

    That, and

    "Don't you wanna be rich?"

    and

    "It's going to transform the industry/world"

    are the usual responses from crypto-fanatics if their beliefs are ever challenged. In truth, they usually have a better understanding of the /technical/ aspects of crypto/blockchain than I do, but are painfully
    naive on the implications of its usage, which betrays them when they
    try to defend its transformative powers (re: response 3). And their
    focus on wealth-accumulation as the end-all is just sad, and only
    exposes how desperate -whether for financial security or just
    attention and power - they really are.

    I wish I could be less critical of them, because in some ways their
    heart is in the right place. There is a problem with how much control
    - of the Internet, of our property and finances - we've ceded to a
    government and industry, and their desire to correct this is
    admirable. But their methodology is flawed, and its been used only to wastefully bilk the unsuspecting and allow an unscrupulous few to
    amass riches and power for their own use.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Wed May 18 13:47:19 2022
    On 5/18/2022 10:52 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 17:40:00 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 5/17/2022 4:21 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    Before I go on, I just want it noted that for once I didn't start an
    NFT thread. I mean, I may be continuing it, but I didn't /start/ it
    this time ;-)

    You started the whole discussion of NFTs so all NFT threads are your
    fault and you will be blamed accordingly.

    Fair enough.

    But I at least want credit for trying to LIMIT how often I bring up
    NFTs. You can give me that much, cantcha? ;-)

    Could? Sure. Will? Naaaah. :P

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Wed May 18 13:46:36 2022
    On 5/18/2022 11:11 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Wed, 18 May 2022 09:13:49 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
    On 17/05/2022 15:27, Justisaur wrote:

    But, but ... it's just that you're to stupid to understand why NFT's are
    a great idea!

    That, and

    "Don't you wanna be rich?"

    and

    "It's going to transform the industry/world"

    are the usual responses from crypto-fanatics if their beliefs are ever challenged. In truth, they usually have a better understanding of the /technical/ aspects of crypto/blockchain than I do, but are painfully
    naive on the implications of its usage, which betrays them when they
    try to defend its transformative powers (re: response 3). And their
    focus on wealth-accumulation as the end-all is just sad, and only
    exposes how desperate -whether for financial security or just
    attention and power - they really are.

    I wish I could be less critical of them, because in some ways their
    heart is in the right place. There is a problem with how much control
    - of the Internet, of our property and finances - we've ceded to a
    government and industry, and their desire to correct this is
    admirable. But their methodology is flawed, and its been used only to wastefully bilk the unsuspecting and allow an unscrupulous few to
    amass riches and power for their own use.

    https://leasticoulddo.com/comic/20220518

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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