• "Wheel of Time's" Ttriumphant (?) Return

    From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 6 17:16:50 2022
    A lot of people didn't even know that they had made a video-game based
    on Robert Jordan's "Wheel of Time" novels. Although it received
    generally favorable reviews on its release - almost a quarter of a
    century ago, in the far-away year of 1999 - it wasn't a game that had
    much longevity. Despite having a solid single-player campaign and some
    unique twists to its multiplayer gameplay, it pretty much disappeared
    from gamers' radar after only a few months. I only remember it because
    it had a few memorable levels and an excellent soundtrack which I
    ripped to MP3 and have been listening to ever since.

    But it was also one of those games I /knew/ would never make a
    comeback; it was too niche, too forgotten, and too saddled with a
    third-party licenses to make its resurgence worth the effort of a
    resurgence (as is common with licensed titles). It was a game, I was
    sure, would only be remembered by the scant few who still owned their
    original CD-ROMs.

    Well, I thought that right up until the day I learned they were making
    a TV show based on the "Wheel of Time" franchise, at which point I
    realized it was only a matter of time before the rights-holders
    dredged this old game out of the shadows of history in order to make a
    quick buck. And lo and behold, that day has come, because "Wheel of
    Time" is now available on GOG.*

    Although I'm quite happy to see it made available, I am not rushing
    out to buy the game again. At $10USD, it's just not worth the price - especially since, as I've said, I already own and have played the
    game. If I do buy it, it'll be largely for the convenience of owning a
    digital, downloadable version of the game, and that luxury is only
    worth a dollar or three to me (your price point may differ).

    But neither can I recommend the game to others. It was an innovative
    title in some ways, and - as an early licensee of the Unreal engine -
    stood out from its peers with its large and colorful levels - but from
    a modern perspective, it's not all that much fun. The controls are
    clunky, the combat mechanics are inaccurate, and its visuals haven't
    aged gracefully. It has a moment or two of spectacle (I personally
    remember traversing the haunted city of "Shadar Logoth" quite fondly,
    even if its map was infuriatingly mazelike) but on the whole it lacks
    so many of the quality-of-life conveniences that make modern gaming so enjoyable and effortless. "Wheel of Time" does have some nifty ideas -
    it has a fairly wide array of weapons, and there's a bit in the middle
    part of the game where you set up traps and soldiers in an early
    attempt at tower warfare - but on the whole the lack of polish is
    problematic. There is, after all, a reason this game was largely
    ignored by most gamers, and it's not because of any grand Anti-Robert
    Jordan conspiracy. The game was average at best, even when it was new.
    23 years later, its innovations are all old-hate leaving its flaws all
    the more prominent.

    The music remains excellent, though.

    Still, if you have fond memories of the game (or want a look at an
    early 3D FPS, or just love the license) and never got a chance to play
    it back in '99, the game is now available again. I'm just happy that -
    whether its worth playing or not - it's no longer abandoned as too
    many games of that era are. Whether you're interested in the game or
    not, be glad you have that opportunity, even if you don't chose to
    take advantage of it.






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    * https://www.gog.com/en/game/the_wheel_of_time

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Thu Apr 7 08:45:23 2022
    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 17:16:50 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Still, if you have fond memories of the game (or want a look at an
    early 3D FPS, or just love the license) and never got a chance to play
    it back in '99, the game is now available again. I'm just happy that - >whether its worth playing or not - it's no longer abandoned as too
    many games of that era are. Whether you're interested in the game or
    not, be glad you have that opportunity, even if you don't chose to
    take advantage of it.

    I never bothered with the game because I did not like the books. I
    read all of them and wish I hadn't.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Mike S. on Thu Apr 7 07:00:31 2022
    On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 5:45:25 AM UTC-7, Mike S. wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 17:16:50 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
    <spallsh...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Still, if you have fond memories of the game (or want a look at an
    early 3D FPS, or just love the license) and never got a chance to play
    it back in '99, the game is now available again. I'm just happy that - >whether its worth playing or not - it's no longer abandoned as too
    many games of that era are. Whether you're interested in the game or
    not, be glad you have that opportunity, even if you don't chose to
    take advantage of it.
    I never bothered with the game because I did not like the books. I
    read all of them and wish I hadn't.

    I don't think I ever read them, nor played the game. I'm curious now
    as I watched the show on Prime and rather enjoyed it.

    - Justisaur

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to justisaur@gmail.com on Thu Apr 7 11:45:16 2022
    On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 07:00:31 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
    <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 5:45:25 AM UTC-7, Mike S. wrote:
    On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 17:16:50 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
    <spallsh...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Still, if you have fond memories of the game (or want a look at an
    early 3D FPS, or just love the license) and never got a chance to play
    it back in '99, the game is now available again. I'm just happy that -
    whether its worth playing or not - it's no longer abandoned as too
    many games of that era are. Whether you're interested in the game or
    not, be glad you have that opportunity, even if you don't chose to
    take advantage of it.
    I never bothered with the game because I did not like the books. I
    read all of them and wish I hadn't.

    I don't think I ever read them, nor played the game. I'm curious now
    as I watched the show on Prime and rather enjoyed it.

    The books are an incredibly mixed bag, not just between volumes but
    within the individual titles themselves. There are some parts that are
    riveting - a fascinating blend of imaginative world-building and
    interesting characters - and other areas that are duller than
    dishwater, pointlessly (and slowly) retreading the same ground. The
    series has about a trilogy's worth of material stretched out into
    fourteen books.

    I struggled through the first... ten (however many Jordan actually
    wrote) and never bothered to finish the series after that. Despite
    some moments of brilliance, it is absolutely not worth the effort to
    read.

    The game is similar, even if it lacks the stultifying pace of the
    literature. There are moments when you might marvel at what the
    developers created, but equally there are points of dreary boredom as
    you clumsily fight your way against the same boring enemies in
    virtually identical labyrinths.

    It's a game that reflects its the time when it was released: that
    transitional era between Doom and Half-Life clones, and between the
    colorful sprites of 2.5D shooters and the angular clunkiness of early
    3D. Historically interesting and not without merit of its own, but not
    really worth playing for its own sake.

    (Standard disclaimers apply)

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Thu Apr 7 11:59:57 2022
    On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 11:45:16 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    The books are an incredibly mixed bag, not just between volumes but
    within the individual titles themselves. There are some parts that are >riveting - a fascinating blend of imaginative world-building and
    interesting characters - and other areas that are duller than
    dishwater, pointlessly (and slowly) retreading the same ground. The
    series has about a trilogy's worth of material stretched out into
    fourteen books.

    Every single comment you made in this one paragraph about the books is
    spot on. If someone in the future asked me what I thought of this book
    series, it would be easiest for me to just copy and paste what you
    posted here.

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  • From Ross Ridge@21:1/5 to Mike_S@nowhere.com on Sat Apr 9 03:08:47 2022
    Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
    I never bothered with the game because I did not like the books. I
    read all of them and wish I hadn't.

    Wheel of Time is one of those series I decided not to read until it was finished and then never did. It sounds like I should keep it that way.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to Ross Ridge on Sat Apr 9 11:46:18 2022
    On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 03:08:47 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
    (Ross Ridge) wrote:

    Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
    I never bothered with the game because I did not like the books. I
    read all of them and wish I hadn't.

    Wheel of Time is one of those series I decided not to read until it was >finished and then never did. It sounds like I should keep it that way.

    I can't argue with that conclusion, as much as I'd like to. There are
    some really fun ideas in the series; I liked its magic system, I liked
    the setting, I liked the idea of ta'veren (and how Mat abused his
    status as a plot-central character to his own benefit)... there's some
    really neat stuff in the books. But, oh, how so much of the books just
    drag on endless over inconsequential, repetitious or meandering prose.

    I do sort of lament never finishing the series (I gave up after
    book... ten? eleven?) but at this point I've forgotten so many details
    that I'd have to restart the series to benefit from the last few books
    (which were completed by another author after Robert Jordan died), and
    I've neither the time nor tolerance to do that.

    If you're now thinking, 'well, maybe I'll just play the video game to
    get an idea of what the books were about," be aware the books share
    the setting but not the plot, and in fact take place several centuries
    earlier than the novel. It captures the feel of the books fairly well,
    and there are a number of locations shared between the two, but the
    characters and story are completely different. And, as mentioned, the
    game has problems of its own.


    We should all be glad that there's nothing on Usenet as pointlessly
    long-winded as those novels ;-)

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