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    From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 3 12:45:34 2022
    7 days later... more free games from Epic!

    This week:

    Black Widow Recharged https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/p/black-widow-recharged

    and
    Centipede Recharged
    https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/p/centipede-recharged

    and

    Epic Slayer Kit for Dauntless https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/p/dauntless--elite-slayer-kit

    Hmmm. Is my theory about Epic winding down its free games campaign
    bearing fruit? Because these games are a far cry from stuff we were
    getting a year ago. "Black Widow Recharged" is a neon-drenched
    Indie-developed twin-stick shooter that, admittedly, got some positive
    reviews, but it's fairly simplistic and niche. "Centipede Recharged", meanwhile, is - unsurprisingly - a remake of the classic "Centipede"
    arcade game and if you like that sort of thing, great, but it's not
    the sort of game anyone except die-hard arcade fans are rushing out to
    buy. The "Epic Slayer Kit" is a bunch of cosmetics and loot for a
    free-to-play game.

    It's pretty weak sauce all around, and hardly worth the bother of
    visiting the website (or firing up the client) to claim these games.
    But I suspect Epic is well aware of this, and are equally well aware
    that the lure of these free games has more or less gained them all the
    new users is going to get them, so why spend so much on premium
    titles? They're just offering smaller titles to wean gamers off the
    free-game teat so that when they do ultimately kill the campaign,
    people won't complain so loudly.

    Anyway, the games are there for a week if you want them. I dutifully
    grabbed the first two because 'free is free' and I had to visit the
    site for this post anyway (I skipped the last because I don't do
    'free-to-play' and I don't do DLC loot).

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Mar 3 14:30:54 2022
    I took all! Loved Centipede (and Millipede) arcade from the rad 80s. I
    don't remember playing Black Widow though. I love biological bugs! We need
    more ant games (no that AntEater game). :P


    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    7 days later... more free games from Epic!

    This week:

    Black Widow Recharged https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/p/black-widow-recharged

    and
    Centipede Recharged https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/p/centipede-recharged

    and

    Epic Slayer Kit for Dauntless https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/p/dauntless--elite-slayer-kit

    Hmmm. Is my theory about Epic winding down its free games campaign
    bearing fruit? Because these games are a far cry from stuff we were
    getting a year ago. "Black Widow Recharged" is a neon-drenched Indie-developed twin-stick shooter that, admittedly, got some positive reviews, but it's fairly simplistic and niche. "Centipede Recharged", meanwhile, is - unsurprisingly - a remake of the classic "Centipede"
    arcade game and if you like that sort of thing, great, but it's not
    the sort of game anyone except die-hard arcade fans are rushing out to
    buy. The "Epic Slayer Kit" is a bunch of cosmetics and loot for a free-to-play game.

    It's pretty weak sauce all around, and hardly worth the bother of
    visiting the website (or firing up the client) to claim these games.
    But I suspect Epic is well aware of this, and are equally well aware
    that the lure of these free games has more or less gained them all the
    new users is going to get them, so why spend so much on premium
    titles? They're just offering smaller titles to wean gamers off the
    free-game teat so that when they do ultimately kill the campaign,
    people won't complain so loudly.

    Anyway, the games are there for a week if you want them. I dutifully
    grabbed the first two because 'free is free' and I had to visit the
    site for this post anyway (I skipped the last because I don't do 'free-to-play' and I don't do DLC loot).


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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Ant on Thu Mar 3 14:14:10 2022
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:31:00 PM UTC-8, Ant wrote:
    I took all! Loved Centipede (and Millipede) arcade from the rad 80s. I
    don't remember playing Black Widow though. I love biological bugs! We need more ant games (no that AntEater game). :P

    I'm guessing Black Widow is a remake of Tempest based on the video.

    - Justisaur

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Thu Mar 3 16:41:56 2022
    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:31:00 PM UTC-8, Ant wrote:
    I took all! Loved Centipede (and Millipede) arcade from the rad 80s. I don't remember playing Black Widow though. I love biological bugs! We need more ant games (no that AntEater game). :P

    I'm guessing Black Widow is a remake of Tempest based on the video.

    Nope. https://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7139

    I should try it in my MAME.
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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Mar 4 09:01:33 2022
    On 03/03/2022 22:41, Ant wrote:
    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:31:00 PM UTC-8, Ant wrote:
    I took all! Loved Centipede (and Millipede) arcade from the rad 80s. I
    don't remember playing Black Widow though. I love biological bugs! We need >>> more ant games (no that AntEater game). :P

    I'm guessing Black Widow is a remake of Tempest based on the video.

    Nope. https://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7139

    I should try it in my MAME.

    I did see the game page and thought it looks like a remake of Tempest
    but then thought twin stick shooter doesn't sit right. Off to google and
    oh, it is a remake of an arcade game of the same name.

    I'd never even heard of it myself possibly because it didn't come to
    popularity in the UK. Then again even with my large exposure to arcade
    game due to a strange consequence of UK laws there must be many games
    that I'd never heard of.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Mar 4 09:17:20 2022
    On 03/03/2022 17:45, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    Anyway, the games are there for a week if you want them. I dutifully
    grabbed the first two because 'free is free' and I had to visit the
    site for this post anyway (I skipped the last because I don't do 'free-to-play' and I don't do DLC loot).


    Free-to-play is a bit of a minefield because obviously the idea is to
    get you into the game and then get money out of you. The problem is just
    how aggressive the encouragement to spend money is.

    In the UK Dungeon Keeper had to remove the title free-to-play as they
    had gone somewhat overboard on stretching that definition. Yes you could technical play it without ever spending money on it but only as long as
    you were prepared to take up playing the game as a job. I had previously
    tried it and the whole thing grinds to a halt (well actually grinds to a
    grind) within about half-an-hour unless you open your wallet.

    Saying that I get casual game freebies on the iPad and there's lot's out
    there that as long as you can put up with some adverts are perfectly
    playable for a considerable period without spending money. Inevitable
    though, they all get to a point where trying to progress is pretty much impossible without spending money.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Mar 4 08:09:57 2022
    On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:01:36 AM UTC-8, JAB wrote:
    On 03/03/2022 22:41, Ant wrote:
    Justisaur <just...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:31:00 PM UTC-8, Ant wrote:
    I took all! Loved Centipede (and Millipede) arcade from the rad 80s. I >>> don't remember playing Black Widow though. I love biological bugs! We need
    more ant games (no that AntEater game). :P

    I'm guessing Black Widow is a remake of Tempest based on the video.

    Nope. https://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7139

    I should try it in my MAME.
    I did see the game page and thought it looks like a remake of Tempest
    but then thought twin stick shooter doesn't sit right. Off to google and
    oh, it is a remake of an arcade game of the same name.

    I'd never even heard of it myself possibly because it didn't come to popularity in the UK. Then again even with my large exposure to arcade
    game due to a strange consequence of UK laws there must be many games
    that I'd never heard of.

    I also have never seen that, in US and played in arcades a lot.

    - Justisaur

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Mar 4 12:28:57 2022
    On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 09:17:20 +0000, JAB <noway@co.uk> wrote:

    On 03/03/2022 17:45, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    Anyway, the games are there for a week if you want them. I dutifully
    grabbed the first two because 'free is free' and I had to visit the
    site for this post anyway (I skipped the last because I don't do
    'free-to-play' and I don't do DLC loot).


    Free-to-play is a bit of a minefield because obviously the idea is to
    get you into the game and then get money out of you. The problem is just
    how aggressive the encouragement to spend money is.

    In the UK Dungeon Keeper had to remove the title free-to-play as they
    had gone somewhat overboard on stretching that definition. Yes you could >technical play it without ever spending money on it but only as long as
    you were prepared to take up playing the game as a job. I had previously >tried it and the whole thing grinds to a halt (well actually grinds to a >grind) within about half-an-hour unless you open your wallet.

    Saying that I get casual game freebies on the iPad and there's lot's out >there that as long as you can put up with some adverts are perfectly
    playable for a considerable period without spending money. Inevitable
    though, they all get to a point where trying to progress is pretty much >impossible without spending money.


    I tend differentiate 'free-to-play' from free- (or
    advertising-supported) games. FTP, at least in my mind, tend to
    support themselves with sales of loot and DLC and 'anti-grind'
    features, and usually push them quite heavily. For instance, any game
    that artificially limits your playtime per day unless you buy extra
    tokens, or a game that restricts commonly used - and needed - features
    (like an inventory with more than three slots) unless you pay up.

    Free games are game experiences that are complete, but you don't pay
    for them, at least monetarily (they often supplement their income
    through invisible data collection). Advertising supported games are self-defined. I've less issue with these because they tend to be
    giving you the full game up front.

    Not all free-to-play games are necessarily bad - for instance, I had a relatively good experience with "Star Wars: The Old Republic" MMORPG,
    despite not paying a cent and there being obvious (and sometimes
    obnoxious) pushes towards getting me to pay for extras like extra
    character slots. But on the whole, I've found too many free-to-play
    games succomb to the lure of 'easy money' and strip down their games
    to experiences that aren't fun to play by themselves and are too
    demanding in how they present their 'optional' extra features. Thus,
    as a rule I just avoid the class as a whole.

    YMMV.

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Mar 4 22:00:41 2022
    On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 09:01:33 +0000, JAB <noway@co.uk> wrote:

    On 03/03/2022 22:41, Ant wrote:
    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:31:00 PM UTC-8, Ant wrote:
    I took all! Loved Centipede (and Millipede) arcade from the rad 80s. I >>>> don't remember playing Black Widow though. I love biological bugs! We need >>>> more ant games (no that AntEater game). :P

    I'm guessing Black Widow is a remake of Tempest based on the video.

    Nope. https://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7139

    I should try it in my MAME.

    I did see the game page and thought it looks like a remake of Tempest
    but then thought twin stick shooter doesn't sit right. Off to google and
    oh, it is a remake of an arcade game of the same name.

    I'd never even heard of it myself possibly because it didn't come to >popularity in the UK. Then again even with my large exposure to arcade
    game due to a strange consequence of UK laws there must be many games
    that I'd never heard of.
    *---

    Me neither. I absolutely loved Tempest.

    Steam has an updated, crazy version of it that was expensive for what
    it is the last time I looked at it. And I played a browser based
    version a while back that was just like the real thing.

    -pw

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Sat Mar 5 16:54:27 2022
    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:01:36 AM UTC-8, JAB wrote:
    On 03/03/2022 22:41, Ant wrote:
    Justisaur <just...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:31:00 PM UTC-8, Ant wrote:
    I took all! Loved Centipede (and Millipede) arcade from the rad 80s. I >>> don't remember playing Black Widow though. I love biological bugs! We need
    more ant games (no that AntEater game). :P

    I'm guessing Black Widow is a remake of Tempest based on the video.

    Nope. https://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7139

    I should try it in my MAME.
    I did see the game page and thought it looks like a remake of Tempest
    but then thought twin stick shooter doesn't sit right. Off to google and oh, it is a remake of an arcade game of the same name.

    I'd never even heard of it myself possibly because it didn't come to popularity in the UK. Then again even with my large exposure to arcade
    game due to a strange consequence of UK laws there must be many games
    that I'd never heard of.

    I also have never seen that, in US and played in arcades a lot.

    I have never seen it too as an arcader. It must be rare. :(
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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sun Mar 6 11:34:33 2022
    On 04/03/2022 17:28, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 09:17:20 +0000, JAB <noway@co.uk> wrote:

    On 03/03/2022 17:45, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    Anyway, the games are there for a week if you want them. I dutifully
    grabbed the first two because 'free is free' and I had to visit the
    site for this post anyway (I skipped the last because I don't do
    'free-to-play' and I don't do DLC loot).


    Free-to-play is a bit of a minefield because obviously the idea is to
    get you into the game and then get money out of you. The problem is just
    how aggressive the encouragement to spend money is.

    In the UK Dungeon Keeper had to remove the title free-to-play as they
    had gone somewhat overboard on stretching that definition. Yes you could
    technical play it without ever spending money on it but only as long as
    you were prepared to take up playing the game as a job. I had previously
    tried it and the whole thing grinds to a halt (well actually grinds to a
    grind) within about half-an-hour unless you open your wallet.

    Saying that I get casual game freebies on the iPad and there's lot's out
    there that as long as you can put up with some adverts are perfectly
    playable for a considerable period without spending money. Inevitable
    though, they all get to a point where trying to progress is pretty much
    impossible without spending money.


    I tend differentiate 'free-to-play' from free- (or
    advertising-supported) games. FTP, at least in my mind, tend to
    support themselves with sales of loot and DLC and 'anti-grind'
    features, and usually push them quite heavily. For instance, any game
    that artificially limits your playtime per day unless you buy extra
    tokens, or a game that restricts commonly used - and needed - features
    (like an inventory with more than three slots) unless you pay up.

    Free games are game experiences that are complete, but you don't pay
    for them, at least monetarily (they often supplement their income
    through invisible data collection). Advertising supported games are self-defined. I've less issue with these because they tend to be
    giving you the full game up front.

    Not all free-to-play games are necessarily bad - for instance, I had a relatively good experience with "Star Wars: The Old Republic" MMORPG,
    despite not paying a cent and there being obvious (and sometimes
    obnoxious) pushes towards getting me to pay for extras like extra
    character slots. But on the whole, I've found too many free-to-play
    games succomb to the lure of 'easy money' and strip down their games
    to experiences that aren't fun to play by themselves and are too
    demanding in how they present their 'optional' extra features. Thus,
    as a rule I just avoid the class as a whole.

    YMMV.


    In my experience with the iPad, ad-supported and in-game items to avoid
    the grind go hand-in-hand. Saying that I'm not going to quibble over the definitions although I believe there is an internet law that makes it
    mandatory to do so!

    For the general point of free-to-play games I don't have an intrinsic
    issue with them but instead the issue is how the monetisation tends to
    be implemented. As you say it's getting the balance right between
    encouraging players to spend money and what you get out of the game
    experience and not all games seem to get this right.

    Possibly the biggest problem I have, and this is more directed at games
    as a service, is when they are structured to play on certain
    physiological traits that players have. So FOMO probably comes top of
    that list with things such events with rewards, battlepasses and
    lootboxes etc.

    To make it worse I do feel this leaks out to the games industry as a
    whole because other companies want a slice of what can be a very
    lucrative pie and there is a tendency to try and maximise 'player
    engagement' which in this case means getting someone to not only play
    just a single game but even play it when they aren't finding it that
    enjoyable.

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to Ant on Sun Mar 6 23:18:51 2022
    ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) writes:

    I have never seen it too as an arcader. It must be rare. :(

    The weird bit is, that Arcade Museum link posted earlier classifies
    Black Widow as very common. But that means now, not back in 1982.

    Anyways, I took the Black Widow freebie, same as Centipede:
    Recharged. Centipede I've actually played in an Arcade back when
    although it wasn't a favorite. I fully intend to give both of them a try
    too.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Anssi Saari on Sun Mar 6 18:23:17 2022
    Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> wrote:
    ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) writes:

    I have never seen it too as an arcader. It must be rare. :(

    The weird bit is, that Arcade Museum link posted earlier classifies
    Black Widow as very common. But that means now, not back in 1982.

    See, that's weird. I don't remember that game during those days. :(
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