• Re: Epic is dropping Win7/8 support

    From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri Mar 22 15:40:09 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 16:14 this Thursday (GMT):

    Or rather, the Epic Game Store app will no longer support those
    operating systems. The 32-bit version of Windows 10 is also getting
    the axe.

    Which - given that Windows 7 is now 15 years old (and 3 years out of
    support from Microsoft - is understandable. As much as I'm a fan of
    those older operating systems (and honestly, wish support for them
    would be longer), I get why companies feel the need to deprecate the
    older OS.

    But - as much as it grinds me gears to do so - I have to give credit
    to Epic for /how/ they are handling this transition. Because while
    they are no longer supporting those operating systems, they are NOT preventing you from running EGS on them. If you have an older version
    of EGS running on Windows7, it will keep running. No, you won't get
    anymore updates, and if there's a bug or security issue, don't expect
    Epic to fix the problem. But if you are just using it to launch games
    on an older computer, it will keep working.

    This is how it should be. It's very different from Valve, which
    actively disables Steam from running on older operating systems, and
    even if you do get the client running, its unlikely you'll be able to
    use it actually launch games.

    Of course, the optimal solution would be just to make the games
    available as self-installing executables, so players wouldn't HAVE to
    use a launcher, even after the reseller stops supporting their OS. Oh,
    if only (GOG) there was some reseller (GOG) who provided so helpful
    (GOG) an option! But alas, there isn't. ;-P

    Still, at least Epic didn't do the most-awful thing and force people
    to abandon their older computers entirely...


    Outright preventing old versions of programs is a big problem in
    computers.. I still miss the old Steam UI.
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  • From Joshua Allen@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 23 11:39:49 2024
    On 3/22/2024 11:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 16:14 this Thursday (GMT):

    Or rather, the Epic Game Store app will no longer support those
    operating systems. The 32-bit version of Windows 10 is also getting
    the axe.

    Which - given that Windows 7 is now 15 years old (and 3 years out of
    support from Microsoft - is understandable. As much as I'm a fan of
    those older operating systems (and honestly, wish support for them
    would be longer), I get why companies feel the need to deprecate the
    older OS.

    But - as much as it grinds me gears to do so - I have to give credit
    to Epic for /how/ they are handling this transition. Because while
    they are no longer supporting those operating systems, they are NOT
    preventing you from running EGS on them. If you have an older version
    of EGS running on Windows7, it will keep running. No, you won't get
    anymore updates, and if there's a bug or security issue, don't expect
    Epic to fix the problem. But if you are just using it to launch games
    on an older computer, it will keep working.

    This is how it should be. It's very different from Valve, which
    actively disables Steam from running on older operating systems, and
    even if you do get the client running, its unlikely you'll be able to
    use it actually launch games.

    Of course, the optimal solution would be just to make the games
    available as self-installing executables, so players wouldn't HAVE to
    use a launcher, even after the reseller stops supporting their OS. Oh,
    if only (GOG) there was some reseller (GOG) who provided so helpful
    (GOG) an option! But alas, there isn't. ;-P

    Still, at least Epic didn't do the most-awful thing and force people
    to abandon their older computers entirely...


    Outright preventing old versions of programs is a big problem in
    computers.. I still miss the old Steam UI.
    i know
    trying to install half life 2 and the old discs with steam on em make em difficult if not impossible to get day 1 what it was like for life

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  • From Ross Ridge@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Sat Mar 23 20:50:15 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    This is how it should be. It's very different from Valve, which
    actively disables Steam from running on older operating systems, and
    even if you do get the client running, its unlikely you'll be able to
    use it actually launch games.

    Just checked and Steam still works on Windows 7. I was able to update
    and launch a couple of games without issue. So while I'm guessing some
    day in the future it'll stop working when Steam makes some incompatible protocol or API change, for now you can still play Steam games on
    Windows 7.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sun Mar 24 13:24:42 2024
    On 3/24/2024 10:45 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 20:50:15 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
    (Ross Ridge) wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    This is how it should be. It's very different from Valve, which
    actively disables Steam from running on older operating systems, and
    even if you do get the client running, its unlikely you'll be able to
    use it actually launch games.

    Just checked and Steam still works on Windows 7. I was able to update
    and launch a couple of games without issue. So while I'm guessing some
    day in the future it'll stop working when Steam makes some incompatible
    protocol or API change, for now you can still play Steam games on
    Windows 7.

    It'll probably be when they update Steam's internal HTML renderer,
    which uses Chrome to a later version. Modern Chrome is Win10 and later

    Then you'll get stuck in the 'Steam must update to run' and 'This
    update doesn't support your OS' loop.

    Fortunately, the Win7>Win10 transition was a lot less rocky than the
    previous WinXP->Win7 change-over, so you'll likely have a lot fewer
    games that will only run on the older OS. And Linux/Wine/Proton is increasingly a viable alternative.

    Still, it would have been nice if Valve had provided a not-officially-supported alternative for older PCs/operating systems
    to install and run games released before the cut-off date.

    (I mean, I get why they don't, but a lot of older PCs are more than
    capable of running these older games just fine, and it seems like a
    lot of hardware is going to just get wastefully junked because of
    business - and not technical - reasons)

    And this would be different than computers have been handled for the
    last 50+ years ... how exactly?

    ;)

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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