Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
Hi,
I use Forte Agent and their newsgroups. But they won't do anything
about all the spam here.
I mostly just watch this one.
Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
If not, what service do you use. I would like to keep useing Agent.
In article <7i88tilc99rsccpc97gdf4p3mnhufaqoe0@4ax.com>, iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com says...
Hi,
I use Forte Agent and their newsgroups. But they won't do anything
about all the spam here.
I mostly just watch this one.
Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
If not, what service do you use. I would like to keep useing Agent.
I'm using AstraWeb (prepaid for something like 10GB many years ago which
is a lot of text newsgroups) and I get the spam.
I've taken to just filtering out everything coming from Google Groups
which does an excellent job of filtering out *all* of the spam, but unfortunately it also filters out the people who are still using Google Groups too.
But Google Groups is going away in a day or two which should see
virtually all of the spam disappear too.
On 2/20/2024 5:10 PM, David Goodwin wrote:
In article <7i88tilc99rsccpc97gdf4p3mnhufaqoe0@4ax.com>,
iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com says...
Hi,
I use Forte Agent and their newsgroups. But they won't do anything
about all the spam here.
I mostly just watch this one.
Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
If not, what service do you use. I would like to keep useing Agent.
I'm using AstraWeb (prepaid for something like 10GB many years ago which
is a lot of text newsgroups) and I get the spam.
I've taken to just filtering out everything coming from Google Groups
which does an excellent job of filtering out *all* of the spam, but
unfortunately it also filters out the people who are still using Google
Groups too.
But Google Groups is going away in a day or two which should see
virtually all of the spam disappear too.
I use Eternal September as my Usenet provider. They do a lot of work to filter out spam.
I use Thunderbird as my Usenet reader. The spam filter/killfile
function on it is easy to use and I have used it copiously.
Between the two I see very, very little spam anymore.
On 2/21/2024 5:13 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 2/20/2024 5:10 PM, David Goodwin wrote:
In article <7i88tilc99rsccpc97gdf4p3mnhufaqoe0@4ax.com>,
iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com says...
Hi,
I use Forte Agent and their newsgroups. But they won't do anything
about all the spam here.
I mostly just watch this one.
Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
If not, what service do you use. I would like to keep useing Agent.
I'm using AstraWeb (prepaid for something like 10GB many years ago which >> is a lot of text newsgroups) and I get the spam.
I've taken to just filtering out everything coming from Google Groups
which does an excellent job of filtering out *all* of the spam, but
unfortunately it also filters out the people who are still using Google
Groups too.
But Google Groups is going away in a day or two which should see
virtually all of the spam disappear too.
I use Eternal September as my Usenet provider. They do a lot of work to filter out spam.
I use Thunderbird as my Usenet reader. The spam filter/killfile
function on it is easy to use and I have used it copiously.
Between the two I see very, very little spam anymore.
I used to use Leafnode connecting to Eternal September to filter out
stuff. It was the easiest way for me to use different newsreaders
without getting spam (well, after filtering out Google Groups, that
really cut down on spam and only affected one or two posters)
On 2/20/2024 5:10 PM, David Goodwin wrote:
In article <7i88tilc99rsccpc97gdf4p3mnhufaqoe0@4ax.com>,
iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com says...
Hi,
I use Forte Agent and their newsgroups. But they won't do anything
about all the spam here.
I mostly just watch this one.
Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
If not, what service do you use. I would like to keep useing Agent.
I'm using AstraWeb (prepaid for something like 10GB many years ago which
is a lot of text newsgroups) and I get the spam.
I've taken to just filtering out everything coming from Google Groups
which does an excellent job of filtering out *all* of the spam, but
unfortunately it also filters out the people who are still using Google
Groups too.
But Google Groups is going away in a day or two which should see
virtually all of the spam disappear too.
I use Eternal September as my Usenet provider. They do a lot of work to filter out spam.
I use Thunderbird as my Usenet reader. The spam filter/killfile
function on it is easy to use and I have used it copiously.
Between the two I see very, very little spam anymore.
On 21/02/2024 04:13, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 2/20/2024 5:10 PM, David Goodwin wrote:
In article <7i88tilc99rsccpc97gdf4p3mnhufaqoe0@4ax.com>,
iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com says...
Hi,
I use Forte Agent and their newsgroups. But they won't do anything
about all the spam here.
I mostly just watch this one.
Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
If not, what service do you use. I would like to keep useing Agent.
I'm using AstraWeb (prepaid for something like 10GB many years ago which >>> is a lot of text newsgroups) and I get the spam.
I've taken to just filtering out everything coming from Google Groups
which does an excellent job of filtering out *all* of the spam, but
unfortunately it also filters out the people who are still using Google
Groups too.
But Google Groups is going away in a day or two which should see
virtually all of the spam disappear too.
I use Eternal September as my Usenet provider. They do a lot of work
to filter out spam.
I use Thunderbird as my Usenet reader. The spam filter/killfile
function on it is easy to use and I have used it copiously.
Between the two I see very, very little spam anymore.
I use ES as well and they seem pretty good on the spam front. It can
play a bit funny with Thunderbird sometimes but I'm not sure where the
real issue lies.
On 21/02/2024 04:13, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 2/20/2024 5:10 PM, David Goodwin wrote:
In article <7i88tilc99rsccpc97gdf4p3mnhufaqoe0@4ax.com>,
iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com says...
Hi,
I use Forte Agent and their newsgroups. But they won't do anything
about all the spam here.
I mostly just watch this one.
Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
If not, what service do you use. I would like to keep useing Agent.
I'm using AstraWeb (prepaid for something like 10GB many years ago which >>> is a lot of text newsgroups) and I get the spam.
I've taken to just filtering out everything coming from Google Groups
which does an excellent job of filtering out *all* of the spam, but
unfortunately it also filters out the people who are still using Google
Groups too.
But Google Groups is going away in a day or two which should see
virtually all of the spam disappear too.
I use Eternal September as my Usenet provider. They do a lot of work
to filter out spam.
I use Thunderbird as my Usenet reader. The spam filter/killfile
function on it is easy to use and I have used it copiously.
Between the two I see very, very little spam anymore.
I use ES as well and they seem pretty good on the spam front. It can
play a bit funny with Thunderbird sometimes but I'm not sure where the
real issue lies.
On 2/22/24 04:03, JAB wrote:
I use ES as well and they seem pretty good on the spam front. It can
play a bit funny with Thunderbird sometimes but I'm not sure where the
real issue lies.
I haven't had a double-post issue in a while.
On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 09:54:13 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On 2/22/2024 7:36 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2/22/24 04:03, JAB wrote:
I use ES as well and they seem pretty good on the spam front. It can
play a bit funny with Thunderbird sometimes but I'm not sure where the >>> real issue lies.
I haven't had a double-post issue in a while.
I had a couple a day or two ago. I think it had one it never sent as
well, but as always i second guess myself on those things and it
could've been me on the missing one (not the double posts though.)
Oddly, I've had the opposite, where I've /missed/ some new posts. I
only see them because I see others replying to the originals. I assume
this is a side-effect of over-eager spam blocking.
The cutoff for Google-groups is 22 Feb 2024 so hopefully we'll see an immediate decrease in spam-posting, and a correlating reduction in the
need for spam blocking. That's assuming the spam was coming from
googlegroups account; I never bothered to look at any that got through
to confirm. Or that the Spammers haven't found any third-party
services that will allow them to continue to push their wares.
Still... I'll sort of miss the necroposting from GoogleGroups users. I
dunno 'bout the rest of you, but I actually sort of got a kick seeing
ancient threads resurrected. My problem with GoogleGroups users wasn't
so much that they didn't have any idea of how Usenet worked, is that
they'd ask a question and then scamper off without waiting for the
response. ;-)
On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 09:54:13 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On 2/22/2024 7:36 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2/22/24 04:03, JAB wrote:
I use ES as well and they seem pretty good on the spam front. It can
play a bit funny with Thunderbird sometimes but I'm not sure where the >>>> real issue lies.
I haven't had a double-post issue in a while.
I had a couple a day or two ago. I think it had one it never sent as
well, but as always i second guess myself on those things and it
could've been me on the missing one (not the double posts though.)
Oddly, I've had the opposite, where I've /missed/ some new posts. I
only see them because I see others replying to the originals. I assume
this is a side-effect of over-eager spam blocking.
The cutoff for Google-groups is 22 Feb 2024 so hopefully we'll see an immediate decrease in spam-posting, and a correlating reduction in the
need for spam blocking. That's assuming the spam was coming from
googlegroups account; I never bothered to look at any that got through
to confirm. Or that the Spammers haven't found any third-party
services that will allow them to continue to push their wares.
Google's reasoning for their cut-off is that Usenet activity has
declined to the point it's no longer worth the effort. I suspect,
however, that it may be more of a legal issue; Google has been
harvesting data from Google Groups for years and feeding it to its LLM software. It's probably in the clear doing this from Google Groups
users - since to post there you had to agree to Google's EULA allowing
them to use your data however they like - but Usenet posters who
DIDN'T use GoogleGroups could potentially take Google to court for
copyright infringement when their discourse is shat out by their AI.
So rather than deal with all that hassle, they kicked Usenet out of GoogleGroups and limited the LLM to just using 'legitimate' Google
user data.
Still... I'll sort of miss the necroposting from GoogleGroups users. I
dunno 'bout the rest of you, but I actually sort of got a kick seeing
ancient threads resurrected. My problem with GoogleGroups users wasn't
so much that they didn't have any idea of how Usenet worked, is that
they'd ask a question and then scamper off without waiting for the
response. ;-)
On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 09:54:13 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On 2/22/2024 7:36 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2/22/24 04:03, JAB wrote:
I use ES as well and they seem pretty good on the spam front. It can
play a bit funny with Thunderbird sometimes but I'm not sure where the >>>> real issue lies.
I haven't had a double-post issue in a while.
I had a couple a day or two ago. I think it had one it never sent as
well, but as always i second guess myself on those things and it
could've been me on the missing one (not the double posts though.)
Oddly, I've had the opposite, where I've /missed/ some new posts. I
only see them because I see others replying to the originals. I assume
this is a side-effect of over-eager spam blocking.
The cutoff for Google-groups is 22 Feb 2024 so hopefully we'll see an immediate decrease in spam-posting, and a correlating reduction in the
need for spam blocking. That's assuming the spam was coming from
googlegroups account; I never bothered to look at any that got through
to confirm. Or that the Spammers haven't found any third-party
services that will allow them to continue to push their wares.
Google's reasoning for their cut-off is that Usenet activity has
declined to the point it's no longer worth the effort. I suspect,
however, that it may be more of a legal issue; Google has been
harvesting data from Google Groups for years and feeding it to its LLM software. It's probably in the clear doing this from Google Groups
users - since to post there you had to agree to Google's EULA allowing
them to use your data however they like - but Usenet posters who
DIDN'T use GoogleGroups could potentially take Google to court for
copyright infringement when their discourse is shat out by their AI.
So rather than deal with all that hassle, they kicked Usenet out of GoogleGroups and limited the LLM to just using 'legitimate' Google
user data.
Still... I'll sort of miss the necroposting from GoogleGroups users. I
dunno 'bout the rest of you, but I actually sort of got a kick seeing
ancient threads resurrected. My problem with GoogleGroups users wasn't
so much that they didn't have any idea of how Usenet worked, is that
they'd ask a question and then scamper off without waiting for the
response. ;-)
On 22/02/2024 19:09, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 09:54:13 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On 2/22/2024 7:36 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2/22/24 04:03, JAB wrote:
I use ES as well and they seem pretty good on the spam front. It can >>>>> play a bit funny with Thunderbird sometimes but I'm not sure where the >>>>> real issue lies.
I haven't had a double-post issue in a while.
I had a couple a day or two ago. I think it had one it never sent as
well, but as always i second guess myself on those things and it
could've been me on the missing one (not the double posts though.)
Oddly, I've had the opposite, where I've /missed/ some new posts. I
only see them because I see others replying to the originals. I assume
this is a side-effect of over-eager spam blocking.
The cutoff for Google-groups is 22 Feb 2024 so hopefully we'll see an
immediate decrease in spam-posting, and a correlating reduction in the
need for spam blocking. That's assuming the spam was coming from
googlegroups account; I never bothered to look at any that got through
to confirm. Or that the Spammers haven't found any third-party
services that will allow them to continue to push their wares.
Google's reasoning for their cut-off is that Usenet activity has
declined to the point it's no longer worth the effort. I suspect,
however, that it may be more of a legal issue; Google has been
harvesting data from Google Groups for years and feeding it to its LLM
software. It's probably in the clear doing this from Google Groups
users - since to post there you had to agree to Google's EULA allowing
them to use your data however they like - but Usenet posters who
DIDN'T use GoogleGroups could potentially take Google to court for
copyright infringement when their discourse is shat out by their AI.
So rather than deal with all that hassle, they kicked Usenet out of
GoogleGroups and limited the LLM to just using 'legitimate' Google
user data.
Still... I'll sort of miss the necroposting from GoogleGroups users. I
dunno 'bout the rest of you, but I actually sort of got a kick seeing
ancient threads resurrected. My problem with GoogleGroups users wasn't
so much that they didn't have any idea of how Usenet worked, is that
they'd ask a question and then scamper off without waiting for the
response. ;-)
Another possibly legal issue is that the EU Digital Services Act (DSA)
is coming into force and Google may just think it's more effort than
it's worth so by shutting Google groups down they can sidestep that.
Over at World of Tanks that seems to be one of the drivers behind the official forums being closed down or as Wargaming like to claim 'transitioning' to Discord. In typical WG fashion though they managed to
make the situation worse by basically claiming that anyone who had valid criticisms like say, Discord doesn't support a forum style, was
basically an old fart that should get with the times.
Over at World of Tanks that seems to be one of the drivers behind the
official forums being closed down or as Wargaming like to claim
'transitioning' to Discord. In typical WG fashion though they managed
to make the situation worse by basically claiming that anyone who had
valid criticisms like say, Discord doesn't support a forum style, was
basically an old fart that should get with the times.
Agreed, dc's attempt at a "forum" is awful.
On 23/02/2024 16:10, candycanearter07 wrote:
Over at World of Tanks that seems to be one of the drivers behind the
official forums being closed down or as Wargaming like to claim
'transitioning' to Discord. In typical WG fashion though they managed
to make the situation worse by basically claiming that anyone who had
valid criticisms like say, Discord doesn't support a forum style, was
basically an old fart that should get with the times.
Agreed, dc's attempt at a "forum" is awful.
It's just not what Discord is designed for so I can't really blame them
for it not supporting a forum format. I do use it for our online RPG
group and for that it's pretty good.
On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 20:55:43 -0700, PW
<iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
Hi,
I use Forte Agent and their newsgroups. But they won't do anything
about all the spam here.
I mostly just watch this one.
Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
If not, what service do you use. I would like to keep useing Agent.
Today I learned that Forte also provides Usenet access. Well, it makes
sense. Although based on the headers, maybe they route through
EasyNews?
(You should be able to to use Forte Agent regardless of your NNTP
provider... unless Forte turned evil and made the software
subscription based too. But I don't see any evidence of that on their >website. Just change the host name in settings to point to the new >news-server. Personally, I like spinning up a new .rc file when I do
that in case of numbering differences, but it may not be necessary).
As for Usenet providers, they're getting thin on the ground... and too
many of them are focused on offering binaries. How well they do with
spam, I don't know; I can't imagine they care very much... especially
the binary-focused ones. From what I can tell, they're mostly
back-ends for NZB search engines so the spam never gets seen
Still, many of the services offer free trials so you could just sign
up and see for yourself. Eweka https://www.eweka.nl/en , TweakNews >https://www.tweaknews.eu/ , Newshost https://www.newshosting.com/ and >Usenet.Farm https://www.newshosting.com/ all let you try for free.
Create an account, configure a free NNTP client with their newsgroup >settings, and refresh daily to see how they compare to one another
regarding spam.
There's also good ol' Eternal September
https://www.eternal-september.org/ which apparently /is/ trying to
fight against the spam (not surprisingly, since its text-oriented) but
given its limited resources its apparently having a bit of an issue
keeping up.
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now
that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 10:49:36 -0500, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now
that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
The spam is gone for me. Hopefully, gone forever.
Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 10:49:36 -0500, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now
that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
The spam is gone for me. Hopefully, gone forever.
Yep. There will still be some spammers, but not from Google Groups. Man, it's too quiet on usenet. [grin]
On 2/29/2024 11:29 AM, Ant wrote:
Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 10:49:36 -0500, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now
that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
The spam is gone for me. Hopefully, gone forever.
Yep. There will still be some spammers, but not from Google Groups. Man, it's too quiet on usenet. [grin]
"Sensors are picking up movement, sir! A LOT of movement!!"
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now
that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in
that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now
that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in
that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around 5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if
it's picking things out still.
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT):
On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now
that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in
that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing
Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around
5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if
it's picking things out still.
I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark
a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it.
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT):
On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now
that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in
that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing
Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around
5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if
it's picking things out still.
I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark
a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it.
On 3/1/2024 11:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT):
On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now
that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in
that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing
Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around >>> 5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if >>> it's picking things out still.
I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark
a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it.
Oh, I'm sure there is still a fair amount of spam. Its just not the torrents of it coming from Google anymore. Also, at least for me, a
fair number of my killfile entries are for various posters.
On 3/1/2024 11:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT):
On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now
that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in
that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing
Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around >>> 5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if >>> it's picking things out still.
I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark
a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it.
Oh, I'm sure there is still a fair amount of spam. Its just not the
torrents of it coming from Google anymore. Also, at least for me, a
fair number of my killfile entries are for various posters.
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:18:46 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On 3/1/2024 12:15 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/1/2024 11:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT):
On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now >>>>>> that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in >>>>>> that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing >>>>> Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around >>>>> 5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if >>>>> it's picking things out still.
I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark >>>> a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it.
Oh, I'm sure there is still a fair amount of spam. Its just not the
torrents of it coming from Google anymore. Also, at least for me, a
fair number of my killfile entries are for various posters.
0 spam since GG stopped allowing posting. I'm sad they stopped
archiving though.
My understanding is that they didn't stop archiving. They just stopped
people from accessing the new stuff.
It is Google, after all. Rampant data-collection is sort of their
'thing'.
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:18:46 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On 3/1/2024 12:15 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/1/2024 11:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT):
On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now >>>>>> that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in >>>>>> that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing >>>>> Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around >>>>> 5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if >>>>> it's picking things out still.
I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark >>>> a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it.
Oh, I'm sure there is still a fair amount of spam. Its just not the
torrents of it coming from Google anymore. Also, at least for me, a
fair number of my killfile entries are for various posters.
0 spam since GG stopped allowing posting. I'm sad they stopped
archiving though.
My understanding is that they didn't stop archiving. They just stopped
people from accessing the new stuff.
It is Google, after all. Rampant data-collection is sort of their
'thing'.
On 3/2/2024 9:10 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:18:46 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>Is it really still archiving if no one can access it?
wrote:
On 3/1/2024 12:15 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/1/2024 11:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT): >>>>>> On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now >>>>>>> that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in >>>>>>> that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing >>>>>> Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around >>>>>> 5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if >>>>>> it's picking things out still.
I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark >>>>> a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it.
Oh, I'm sure there is still a fair amount of spam.? Its just not the
torrents of it coming from Google anymore.? Also, at least for me, a
fair number of my killfile entries are for various posters.
0 spam since GG stopped allowing posting. I'm sad they stopped
archiving though.
My understanding is that they didn't stop archiving. They just stopped
people from accessing the new stuff.
It is Google, after all. Rampant data-collection is sort of their
'thing'.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
On 3/2/2024 9:10 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:18:46 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>Is it really still archiving if no one can access it?
wrote:
On 3/1/2024 12:15 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/1/2024 11:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT): >>>>>>> On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now >>>>>>>> that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in >>>>>>>> that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing >>>>>>> Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around
5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if
it's picking things out still.
I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark >>>>>> a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it.
Oh, I'm sure there is still a fair amount of spam.? Its just not the >>>>> torrents of it coming from Google anymore.? Also, at least for me, a >>>>> fair number of my killfile entries are for various posters.
0 spam since GG stopped allowing posting. I'm sad they stopped
archiving though.
My understanding is that they didn't stop archiving. They just stopped
people from accessing the new stuff.
It is Google, after all. Rampant data-collection is sort of their
'thing'.
Google can access it. Archives don't have to be _publicly_ available
after all.
Of course when it isn't it does seem more like Data-Hoarding, but at
least there's no associated smells and infestations.
From what I understand they did because 99.9+% of Usenet in terms of
data is now encrypted binaries which aren't of any use to them and would balloon up storage for the archive much to the excess of cost/benefit.
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:18:46 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On 3/1/2024 12:15 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/1/2024 11:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT):
On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now >>>>> that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in >>>>> that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing >>>> Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around >>>> 5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if >>>> it's picking things out still.
I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark >>> a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it.
Oh, I'm sure there is still a fair amount of spam. Its just not the
torrents of it coming from Google anymore. Also, at least for me, a
fair number of my killfile entries are for various posters.
0 spam since GG stopped allowing posting. I'm sad they stopped
archiving though.
My understanding is that they didn't stop archiving. They just stopped
people from accessing the new stuff.
It is Google, after all. Rampant data-collection is sort of their
'thing'.
On 02/03/2024 17:40, Justisaur wrote:
From what I understand they did because 99.9+% of Usenet in terms of
data is now encrypted binaries which aren't of any use to them and would balloon up storage for the archive much to the excess of cost/benefit.
Have you got a source for that as I've yet to see any reasons put
forward that can be attributed to Google themselves?
In article <us1ih2$2el3a$1@dont-email.me>, noway@nochance.com says...
On 02/03/2024 17:40, Justisaur wrote:
From what I understand they did because 99.9+% of Usenet in terms of
data is now encrypted binaries which aren't of any use to them and would >>> balloon up storage for the archive much to the excess of cost/benefit.
Have you got a source for that as I've yet to see any reasons put
forward that can be attributed to Google themselves?
According to a giganews employee, a full usenet feed including binaries
is around 250TB a day: https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/184iecj/usenet_peering/
According to this post, text usenet was around 50MB/day in 2021: https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.peering/c/O9oyiqpokq0/m/uG-
cFsRMBAAJ
50MB/day does seem a bit low to me, but even if it was a few orders of magnitue more its still less than 0.001% of the traffic giganews is supposedly seeing.
Another data point, usenetarchives.com has 3.54TB of text usenet. And
this is supposedly the Deja/Google Groups archive as of 2013 - its only 2.62TB: https://archive.org/details/usenethistorical
So pretty safe to say that binaries are *at least* 99.9% of usenet
traffic today.
In article <us1ih2$2el3a$1@dont-email.me>, noway@nochance.com says...
On 02/03/2024 17:40, Justisaur wrote:
From what I understand they did because 99.9+% of Usenet in terms of
data is now encrypted binaries which aren't of any use to them and would >>> balloon up storage for the archive much to the excess of cost/benefit.
Have you got a source for that as I've yet to see any reasons put
forward that can be attributed to Google themselves?
According to a giganews employee, a full usenet feed including binaries
is around 250TB a day: https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/184iecj/usenet_peering/
According to this post, text usenet was around 50MB/day in 2021: https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.peering/c/O9oyiqpokq0/m/uG-
cFsRMBAAJ
50MB/day does seem a bit low to me, but even if it was a few orders of magnitue more its still less than 0.001% of the traffic giganews is supposedly seeing.
Another data point, usenetarchives.com has 3.54TB of text usenet. And
this is supposedly the Deja/Google Groups archive as of 2013 - its only 2.62TB: https://archive.org/details/usenethistorical
So pretty safe to say that binaries are *at least* 99.9% of usenet
traffic today.
On 2024-02-27, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
On 23/02/2024 16:10, candycanearter07 wrote:
Over at World of Tanks that seems to be one of the drivers behind the
official forums being closed down or as Wargaming like to claim
'transitioning' to Discord. In typical WG fashion though they managed
to make the situation worse by basically claiming that anyone who had
valid criticisms like say, Discord doesn't support a forum style, was
basically an old fart that should get with the times.
Agreed, dc's attempt at a "forum" is awful.
It's just not what Discord is designed for so I can't really blame them
for it not supporting a forum format. I do use it for our online RPG
group and for that it's pretty good.
Yes, but the way it's implemented is absolutely terrible, especially
with the new mobile ui. Did you know that if a thread is inactive for
too long, the ONLY way to make it appear in the sidebar again is to send
a message to it? There is no way to make a thread permanent.
On 27/02/2024 14:35, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2024-02-27, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
On 23/02/2024 16:10, candycanearter07 wrote:
Over at World of Tanks that seems to be one of the drivers behind the >>>>> official forums being closed down or as Wargaming like to claim
'transitioning' to Discord. In typical WG fashion though they managed >>>>> to make the situation worse by basically claiming that anyone who had >>>>> valid criticisms like say, Discord doesn't support a forum style, was >>>>> basically an old fart that should get with the times.
Agreed, dc's attempt at a "forum" is awful.
It's just not what Discord is designed for so I can't really blame them
for it not supporting a forum format. I do use it for our online RPG
group and for that it's pretty good.
Yes, but the way it's implemented is absolutely terrible, especially
with the new mobile ui. Did you know that if a thread is inactive for
too long, the ONLY way to make it appear in the sidebar again is to send
a message to it? There is no way to make a thread permanent.
Honestly not something that bothers me as I don't feel that's what
Discord is really there for but instead it's aimed at transient communication.
On 3/2/2024 9:32 PM, Xocyll wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading theGoogle hoarding all that for their own secret purposes smells pretty bad
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
On 3/2/2024 9:10 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:18:46 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>Is it really still archiving if no one can access it?
wrote:
On 3/1/2024 12:15 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/1/2024 11:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT): >>>>>>>> On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now >>>>>>>>> that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in >>>>>>>>> that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing >>>>>>>> Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around
5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if
it's picking things out still.
I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark >>>>>>> a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it.
Oh, I'm sure there is still a fair amount of spam.? Its just not the >>>>>> torrents of it coming from Google anymore.? Also, at least for me, a >>>>>> fair number of my killfile entries are for various posters.
0 spam since GG stopped allowing posting. I'm sad they stopped
archiving though.
My understanding is that they didn't stop archiving. They just stopped >>>> people from accessing the new stuff.
It is Google, after all. Rampant data-collection is sort of their
'thing'.
Google can access it. Archives don't have to be _publicly_ available
after all.
Of course when it isn't it does seem more like Data-Hoarding, but at
least there's no associated smells and infestations.
to me.
On 3/2/2024 9:10 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:18:46 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On 3/1/2024 12:15 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/1/2024 11:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT): >>>>>> On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now >>>>>>> that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in >>>>>>> that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing >>>>>> Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around >>>>>> 5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if >>>>>> it's picking things out still.
I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark >>>>> a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it.
Oh, I'm sure there is still a fair amount of spam. Its just not the
torrents of it coming from Google anymore. Also, at least for me, a
fair number of my killfile entries are for various posters.
0 spam since GG stopped allowing posting. I'm sad they stopped
archiving though.
My understanding is that they didn't stop archiving. They just stopped
people from accessing the new stuff.
It is Google, after all. Rampant data-collection is sort of their
'thing'.
From what I understand they did because 99.9+% of Usenet in terms of
data is now encrypted binaries which aren't of any use to them and would balloon up storage for the archive much to the excess of cost/benefit.
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 17:40 this Saturday (GMT):
On 3/2/2024 9:10 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:18:46 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On 3/1/2024 12:15 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/1/2024 11:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT): >>>>>> On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now >>>>>>> that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in >>>>>>> that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing >>>>>> Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around
5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if
it's picking things out still.
I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark >>>>> a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it.
Oh, I'm sure there is still a fair amount of spam. Its just not the >>>> torrents of it coming from Google anymore. Also, at least for me, a >>>> fair number of my killfile entries are for various posters.
0 spam since GG stopped allowing posting. I'm sad they stopped
archiving though.
My understanding is that they didn't stop archiving. They just stopped
people from accessing the new stuff.
It is Google, after all. Rampant data-collection is sort of their
'thing'.
From what I understand they did because 99.9+% of Usenet in terms of
data is now encrypted binaries which aren't of any use to them and would balloon up storage for the archive much to the excess of cost/benefit.
And they didn't think to just...filter binaries? Or just not
include binary ng's?
In article <us4u40$38c81$1@dont-email.me>, candycanearter07 @candycanearter07.nomail.afraid says...
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 17:40 this Saturday (GMT):
On 3/2/2024 9:10 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:18:46 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On 3/1/2024 12:15 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/1/2024 11:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT):
On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now
that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in >> >>>>>>> that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing >> >>>>>> Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around
5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if
it's picking things out still.
I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark
a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it.
Oh, I'm sure there is still a fair amount of spam. Its just not the >> >>>> torrents of it coming from Google anymore. Also, at least for me, a >> >>>> fair number of my killfile entries are for various posters.
0 spam since GG stopped allowing posting. I'm sad they stopped
archiving though.
My understanding is that they didn't stop archiving. They just stopped
people from accessing the new stuff.
It is Google, after all. Rampant data-collection is sort of their
'thing'.
From what I understand they did because 99.9+% of Usenet in terms of
data is now encrypted binaries which aren't of any use to them and would >> > balloon up storage for the archive much to the excess of cost/benefit.
And they didn't think to just...filter binaries? Or just not
include binary ng's?
Binary newsgroups were never available via google groups and I assume
their peering didn't include them (why waste the storage if they're not
going to make any of the posted stuff available).
So Googles point was probably more that after filtering out binries
there wasn't much left which I guess is true - usenet is certainly a lot quieter than it was when Google acquired DejaNews and setup Google
Groups.
On 3/2/2024 9:32 PM, Xocyll wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading theGoogle hoarding all that for their own secret purposes smells pretty bad
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
On 3/2/2024 9:10 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:18:46 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>Is it really still archiving if no one can access it?
wrote:
On 3/1/2024 12:15 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/1/2024 11:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT): >>>>>>>> On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now >>>>>>>>> that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in >>>>>>>>> that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing >>>>>>>> Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around
5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if
it's picking things out still.
I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark >>>>>>> a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it.
Oh, I'm sure there is still a fair amount of spam.? Its just not the >>>>>> torrents of it coming from Google anymore.? Also, at least for me, a >>>>>> fair number of my killfile entries are for various posters.
0 spam since GG stopped allowing posting. I'm sad they stopped
archiving though.
My understanding is that they didn't stop archiving. They just stopped >>>> people from accessing the new stuff.
It is Google, after all. Rampant data-collection is sort of their
'thing'.
Google can access it. Archives don't have to be _publicly_ available
after all.
Of course when it isn't it does seem more like Data-Hoarding, but at
least there's no associated smells and infestations.
to me.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
On 3/2/2024 9:32 PM, Xocyll wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading theGoogle hoarding all that for their own secret purposes smells pretty bad
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
On 3/2/2024 9:10 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:18:46 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>Is it really still archiving if no one can access it?
wrote:
On 3/1/2024 12:15 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/1/2024 11:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT): >>>>>>>>> On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:Oh, I'm sure there is still a fair amount of spam.? Its just not the >>>>>>> torrents of it coming from Google anymore.? Also, at least for me, a >>>>>>> fair number of my killfile entries are for various posters.
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now
that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed. >>>>>>>>>>
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in >>>>>>>>>> that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing >>>>>>>>> Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around
5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if
it's picking things out still.
I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark
a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it. >>>>>>>
0 spam since GG stopped allowing posting. I'm sad they stopped
archiving though.
My understanding is that they didn't stop archiving. They just stopped >>>>> people from accessing the new stuff.
It is Google, after all. Rampant data-collection is sort of their
'thing'.
Google can access it. Archives don't have to be _publicly_ available
after all.
Of course when it isn't it does seem more like Data-Hoarding, but at
least there's no associated smells and infestations.
to me.
I mean, what could they use it for; raising surly AI's that can't spell?
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
On 3/2/2024 9:32 PM, Xocyll wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading theGoogle hoarding all that for their own secret purposes smells pretty bad
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
On 3/2/2024 9:10 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:18:46 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>Is it really still archiving if no one can access it?
wrote:
On 3/1/2024 12:15 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/1/2024 11:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT): >>>>>>>>> On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:Oh, I'm sure there is still a fair amount of spam.? Its just not the >>>>>>> torrents of it coming from Google anymore.? Also, at least for me, a >>>>>>> fair number of my killfile entries are for various posters.
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now
that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed. >>>>>>>>>>
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in >>>>>>>>>> that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing >>>>>>>>> Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around
5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if
it's picking things out still.
I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark
a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it. >>>>>>>
0 spam since GG stopped allowing posting. I'm sad they stopped
archiving though.
My understanding is that they didn't stop archiving. They just stopped >>>>> people from accessing the new stuff.
It is Google, after all. Rampant data-collection is sort of their
'thing'.
Google can access it. Archives don't have to be _publicly_ available
after all.
Of course when it isn't it does seem more like Data-Hoarding, but at
least there's no associated smells and infestations.
to me.
I mean, what could they use it for; raising surly AI's that can't spell?
Xocyll
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote at 19:57 this Monday (GMT):
In article <us4u40$38c81$1@dont-email.me>, candycanearter07 @candycanearter07.nomail.afraid says...
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 17:40 this Saturday (GMT):
On 3/2/2024 9:10 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:And they didn't think to just...filter binaries? Or just not
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 13:18:46 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On 3/1/2024 12:15 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 3/1/2024 11:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote at 23:36 this Thursday (GMT): >> >>>>>> On 2/29/2024 7:49 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Yeah, there's apparently been a dramatic decline in reported spam now
that Google has shut down public access to its Usenet feed.
Well, I'm sure the spammers will adapt. They're quite roachlike in >> >>>>>>> that way. And if they don't, I won't shed a tear.
I'm not sure what's going on, but when I refresh I'm typically seeing
Thunderbird report around 50 new messages but it goes down to the around
5-15.
I do have some filters from when google was spamming, so I'm not sure if
it's picking things out still.
I think that might just be an issue with TB. I noticed it seems to mark
a ng as having messages, but not having any when you opened it.
Oh, I'm sure there is still a fair amount of spam. Its just not the >> >>>> torrents of it coming from Google anymore. Also, at least for me, a >> >>>> fair number of my killfile entries are for various posters.
0 spam since GG stopped allowing posting. I'm sad they stopped
archiving though.
My understanding is that they didn't stop archiving. They just stopped >> >> people from accessing the new stuff.
It is Google, after all. Rampant data-collection is sort of their
'thing'.
From what I understand they did because 99.9+% of Usenet in terms of
data is now encrypted binaries which aren't of any use to them and would >> > balloon up storage for the archive much to the excess of cost/benefit. >>
include binary ng's?
Binary newsgroups were never available via google groups and I assume
their peering didn't include them (why waste the storage if they're not going to make any of the posted stuff available).
So Googles point was probably more that after filtering out binries
there wasn't much left which I guess is true - usenet is certainly a lot quieter than it was when Google acquired DejaNews and setup Google
Groups.
It might be quieter, but we're still here :D
On 3/5/2024 7:01 AM, Xocyll wrote:[snip]
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
I'm pretty sure we've both heard of worse plans to conquer the world....Google hoarding all that for their own secret purposes smells pretty bad >>> to me.
I mean, what could they use it for; raising surly AI's that can't spell?
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 16:51 this Tuesday (GMT):
On 3/5/2024 7:01 AM, Xocyll wrote:[snip]
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
I'm pretty sure we've both heard of worse plans to conquer the world....Google hoarding all that for their own secret purposes smells pretty bad >>>> to me.
I mean, what could they use it for; raising surly AI's that can't spell? >>>
Worse as in worse planned or more evil?
On 3/5/2024 2:30 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 16:51 this Tuesday (GMT): >>> On 3/5/2024 7:01 AM, Xocyll wrote:
[snip]Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
I'm pretty sure we've both heard of worse plans to conquer the world....Google hoarding all that for their own secret purposes smells pretty bad >>>>> to me.
I mean, what could they use it for; raising surly AI's that can't spell? >>>>
Worse as in worse planned or more evil?
All three. (Worse planned, more evil and more evil worse plans.) ;)
On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 20:55:43 -0700, PW
<iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
Yes I am getting the spam but Agent puts it all together at least so I
can delete it very quickly.
Hi,
I use Forte Agent and their newsgroups. But they won't do anything
about all the spam here.
I mostly just watch this one.
Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
If not, what service do you use. I would like to keep useing Agent.
-pw
On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 20:55:43 -0700, PW
<iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
Hi,
I use Forte Agent and their newsgroups. But they won't do anything
about all the spam here.
I mostly just watch this one.
Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
If not, what service do you use. I would like to keep useing Agent.
-pw
*--
What happened to all the junk? Did my Forte newsgroup service finally
step up to the plate?
How did you get Agent to do that Mike?
-pw
On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 09:19:43 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On 3/20/2024 8:57 AM, PW wrote:
On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 20:55:43 -0700, PW
<iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
Hi,
I use Forte Agent and their newsgroups. But they won't do anything
about all the spam here.
I mostly just watch this one.
Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
If not, what service do you use. I would like to keep useing Agent.
-pw
*--
What happened to all the junk? Did my Forte newsgroup service finally
step up to the plate?
Google shut down posting Feb 26th. Spammers will have to use another
service if they want to flood groups, but as Google isn't archiving and
crawling it anymore as well it's unlikely there would be any point to them.
More to the point, Google let people post for free. Other services
require payment for the privilege. This sort of spamming is a high
volume, low return business. You can make money off of it - millions
of dollars even - but you don't get much per post. And while Usenet
accounts aren't expensive, there are probably such returns from usenet
(due to the low traffic) that even that minimal outlay wasn't worth it
in terms of how much the spammers were likely to get back.
Once Google stopped their free service, the spam stopped as if
somebody had turned a spigot. It was sort of amazing, actually.
Unfortunately, I fear the relief will only be temporary. To paraphrase "Jurassic Park", 'spam finds a way'.
On 3/20/2024 9:30 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 09:19:43 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>There are free Usenet services. Its just that most of them are pretty vigilant about stomping spam.
wrote:
On 3/20/2024 8:57 AM, PW wrote:More to the point, Google let people post for free. Other services
On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 20:55:43 -0700, PW
<iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
Hi,
I use Forte Agent and their newsgroups. But they won't do anything
about all the spam here.
I mostly just watch this one.
Is everyone here still getting all this junk?
If not, what service do you use. I would like to keep useing Agent.
-pw
*--
What happened to all the junk? Did my Forte newsgroup service finally >>>> step up to the plate?
Google shut down posting Feb 26th. Spammers will have to use another
service if they want to flood groups, but as Google isn't archiving and
crawling it anymore as well it's unlikely there would be any point to them. >>
require payment for the privilege. This sort of spamming is a high
volume, low return business. You can make money off of it - millions
of dollars even - but you don't get much per post. And while Usenet
accounts aren't expensive, there are probably such returns from usenet
(due to the low traffic) that even that minimal outlay wasn't worth it
in terms of how much the spammers were likely to get back.
Once Google stopped their free service, the spam stopped as if
somebody had turned a spigot. It was sort of amazing, actually.
Unfortunately, I fear the relief will only be temporary. To paraphrase
"Jurassic Park", 'spam finds a way'.
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