* Nvidia (GeForce, etc)
They've got a near monopoly on the industry for a reason.
They're fast, capable and nearly everything supports them.
Today, kids, let's figure out this: which GPU manufacturer's chipset
are YOU rockin' in your rigs?
* Nvidia (GeForce, etc)
They've got a near monopoly on the industry for a reason.
They're fast, capable and nearly everything supports them.
* Intel (HD, ARC, etc.)
The cheap version, sometimes okay, often crappy, but
often built into the motherboard so you don't really
have a choice except to use it
* Headless
Video cards are for time-wasting gamers. Your computers
are busy doing Important Stuff (tm). Sure, we'll just pretend
you're reading this post on teletype.
* Other
Whether it's old-tech (3DFX forever!), a small
manufacturer that provides that one feature you MUST
have, or some no-name company nobody has ever heard of,
you follow your own path
(Still, while I'm not sure I'd really want to return to the days when
we had dozens of vendors pushing their own proprietary solutions, I'm
not thrilled that the market has contracted to what is essentially
three corporations dominating sales.)
Hey kids! What time is it? It's Howdy-Dood^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h time for
another Completely Random and Pointless Poll! Because if it's not
COMPLETELY random and pointless, it's not total CRAP!
---------------------------------------
Today, kids, let's figure out this: which GPU manufacturer's chipset
are YOU rockin' in your rigs?
* Nvidia (GeForce, etc)
They've got a near monopoly on the industry for a reason.
They're fast, capable and nearly everything supports them.
* AMD (Radeon, etc)
The scrappy underdog, as good (and often better) than
Nvidia, and usually cheaper too. Just don't mention
the drivers.
* Intel (HD, ARC, etc.)
The cheap version, sometimes okay, often crappy, but
often built into the motherboard so you don't really
have a choice except to use it
* Apple (M1/M2/M3)
What are these 'video games' of what you speak?
* Other
Whether it's old-tech (3DFX forever!), a small
manufacturer that provides that one feature you MUST
have, or some no-name company nobody has ever heard of,
you follow your own path
* Headless
Video cards are for time-wasting gamers. Your computers
are busy doing Important Stuff (tm). Sure, we'll just pretend
you're reading this post on teletype.
* Weird tech
Whether its some sort of neuralink or directly sensing
magnetic patterns emitted by the CPU, you've avoided
needing a video card entirely
---------------------------------------
Me, I'm on Team Nvidia. I'd /love/ to be more of a Radeon person, but
I've never really had a great experience with them. At best, the cards
worked as expected, but they've never impressed me. So I pay the
premium - and what a huge premium it too often is - for the solution
that 'just works'.
(Still, while I'm not sure I'd really want to return to the days when
we had dozens of vendors pushing their own proprietary solutions, I'm
not thrilled that the market has contracted to what is essentially
three corporations dominating sales.)
Nvidia - for all its sometimes skeeviness - has produced products that
have routinely satisfied my needs without any major hassles. They,
arguably, may not be the most powerful cards (certainly they don't
seem to offer the best 'bang for the buck') but their cards still are
quite capable and I don't have to worry as much about hardware or
software incompatibilities. I wish I could say the same for Intel
(which fails on performance) or AMD (which fails on ease-of-use).
My heart, though, will always remain with my 3DFX cards. Even though
my Win95 (Voodoo 1) and Win98 (Voodoo 3) computers aren't my daily
drivers, I still love booting into them just so I can run stuff on
native 3DFX hardware. Nvidia might trounce them in performance and
features, but never character and nostalgia. ;-)
How 'bout you... what graphics processor are you running? Our CRAP
poll needs the data!
Hey kids! What time is it? It's Howdy-Dood^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h time for
another Completely Random and Pointless Poll! Because if it's not
COMPLETELY random and pointless, it's not total CRAP!
---------------------------------------
Today, kids, let's figure out this: which GPU manufacturer's chipset
are YOU rockin' in your rigs?
* Nvidia (GeForce, etc)
* Apple (M1/M2/M3)
* Other
* Headless
* Weird tech
Me, I'm on Team Nvidia. I'd /love/ to be more of a Radeon person, but
I've never really had a great experience with them. At best, the cards
worked as expected, but they've never impressed me. So I pay the
premium - and what a huge premium it too often is - for the solution
that 'just works'.
My heart, though, will always remain with my 3DFX cards. Even though
my Win95 (Voodoo 1) and Win98 (Voodoo 3) computers aren't my daily
drivers, I still love booting into them just so I can run stuff on
native 3DFX hardware. Nvidia might trounce them in performance and
features, but never character and nostalgia. ;-)
On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 20:40:25 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
* Nvidia (GeForce, etc)
They've got a near monopoly on the industry for a reason.
They're fast, capable and nearly everything supports them.
^ This
For the simple reason that everyone caters to Nvidia. Found that out ages ago. If something in a game is messed up and it needs to be patched, it's
a patch for AMD. Mind you, there's no problem with the Radeon line or its drivers, it's just the *game developers* who program for Nvidia first.
Now if only I could use a FreeSync monitor with it. I have a Gsync
monitor, but Gsync is not great (flicker), costs more due to proprietary tech, and far fewer monitor models support it. I'd like standaradized VRR please.
My go to third-party manufacturer is MSI. I tried a Zotac, and they
didn't care that the fans sounded like I lived next to an airport. It
also whistled. I recorded it and sent it to support and their answer was, "Nope, sounds completely normal."
MSI? Same size fans. Same *number* of fans. They have to be maxed out and spin at 3000rpm to make the noise the Zotac card was making at 2000rpm.
And the Zotac fans *always* ran at 2000. The MSI fans run at about 1600.
I used to be a die-hard EVGA customer, but then they died hard on Nvidia.
My last card made by them is a 1080GTX. Anyone know why they left?
Hey kids! What time is it? It's Howdy-Dood^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h time for
another Completely Random and Pointless Poll! Because if it's not
COMPLETELY random and pointless, it's not total CRAP!
---------------------------------------
Today, kids, let's figure out this: which GPU manufacturer's chipset
are YOU rockin' in your rigs?
* Nvidia (GeForce, etc)
They've got a near monopoly on the industry for a reason.
They're fast, capable and nearly everything supports them.
* AMD (Radeon, etc)
The scrappy underdog, as good (and often better) than
Nvidia, and usually cheaper too. Just don't mention
the drivers.
* Intel (HD, ARC, etc.)
The cheap version, sometimes okay, often crappy, but
often built into the motherboard so you don't really
have a choice except to use it
* Apple (M1/M2/M3)
What are these 'video games' of what you speak?
* Other
Whether it's old-tech (3DFX forever!), a small
manufacturer that provides that one feature you MUST
have, or some no-name company nobody has ever heard of,
you follow your own path
* Headless
Video cards are for time-wasting gamers. Your computers
are busy doing Important Stuff (tm). Sure, we'll just pretend
you're reading this post on teletype.
* Weird tech
Whether its some sort of neuralink or directly sensing
magnetic patterns emitted by the CPU, you've avoided
needing a video card entirely
---------------------------------------
Me, I'm on Team Nvidia. I'd /love/ to be more of a Radeon person, but
I've never really had a great experience with them. At best, the cards
worked as expected, but they've never impressed me. So I pay the
premium - and what a huge premium it too often is - for the solution
that 'just works'.
(Still, while I'm not sure I'd really want to return to the days when
we had dozens of vendors pushing their own proprietary solutions, I'm
not thrilled that the market has contracted to what is essentially
three corporations dominating sales.)
Nvidia - for all its sometimes skeeviness - has produced products that
have routinely satisfied my needs without any major hassles. They,
arguably, may not be the most powerful cards (certainly they don't
seem to offer the best 'bang for the buck') but their cards still are
quite capable and I don't have to worry as much about hardware or
software incompatibilities. I wish I could say the same for Intel
(which fails on performance) or AMD (which fails on ease-of-use).
My heart, though, will always remain with my 3DFX cards. Even though
my Win95 (Voodoo 1) and Win98 (Voodoo 3) computers aren't my daily
drivers, I still love booting into them just so I can run stuff on
native 3DFX hardware. Nvidia might trounce them in performance and
features, but never character and nostalgia. ;-)
How 'bout you... what graphics processor are you running? Our CRAP
poll needs the data!
Today, kids, let's figure out this: which GPU manufacturer's chipset
are YOU rockin' in your rigs?
On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 20:40:25 -0500, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
Today, kids, let's figure out this: which GPU manufacturer's chipset
are YOU rockin' in your rigs?
My first 3d accelerator was a RIVA TNT. That is Nvidia isn't it? If it
is, I have been using Nvidia chipsets ever since that card.
Intel. Thinkpad. Need I say more?
On 2/6/2024 8:57 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Intel. Thinkpad. Need I say more?
Not sure you should have even said that much!
On 2/6/24 19:11, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 2/6/2024 8:57 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Intel. Thinkpad. Need I say more?
Not sure you should have even said that much!
Why?
On 2/6/2024 9:15 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2/6/24 19:11, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 2/6/2024 8:57 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Intel. Thinkpad. Need I say more?
Not sure you should have even said that much!
Why?
Because I am a genius gluteus maximus.
On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 17:11:24 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 2/6/2024 8:57 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Intel. Thinkpad. Need I say more?
Not sure you should have even said that much!
Intel's GPUs aren't /that/ bad. They aren't anywhere near as powerful
as its competitors, but when I use them, I'm frequently surprised by
their performance.... considering they are integrated video. No, you
aren't going to be playing the latest "Call of Duty" on them, but I
wouldn't be surprised if the newer cards could handle "Crysis".
Certainly for day-to-day activities, they're quite credible.
Frankly, it's amazing how much processing power we have at our
fingertips. That we can now look down on modern integrated graphics
chipsets speaks as to how spoiled we've become by how powerful PCs
have become. Ten or fifteen years ago, these GPUs would have ruled the
roost.
(And that's not a complaint against people who besmirch integrated
graphics; sure, given the choice I'd much rather a discrete card
myself. It's more of an observation about the technology itself).
Similarly, Apples M1/2/3 Silicon lines are really good too. They are
not - despite some misleading benchmark results - really the
equivalent of 3080 GeForce GPUs as has been claimed - but it's still a
lot of raw processing power in a tiny package.
Looking back at the original CRAP Poll, I realize that I forgot to add
ARM's offerings to the listing... and AMD's APU (integrated CPU/GPU)
probably deserved a mention too (especially since that is what powers
Valve's Steam Deck)
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 07:54:00 -0800, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 2/6/2024 9:15 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2/6/24 19:11, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 2/6/2024 8:57 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Intel. Thinkpad. Need I say more?
Not sure you should have even said that much!
Why?
Because I am a genius gluteus maximus.
A canny fanny, eh?
Sure it was Nvidia. I had a TNT2 Ultra, after, I think, a Voodoo 2 which
was paired with something else for 2D, no idea what. It's too bad I'm
pretty vague on how my GPU history went, I have some idea on how my CPU >history went at least.
How 'bout you... what graphics processor are you running? Our CRAP
poll needs the data!
When DLSS appeared, the writing was on the wall however, and when a 4090FE >magically appeared at my local bestbuy, I slapped down the CC and haven't >regretted it one bit -- the quietest and coolest-running card I've ever had. >Unless the unlikely opportunity arises to both acquire a 5090 (or whatever) >in the fall and recoup most of my 4090 investment, I'll be using this same >same hardware for years to come.
* AMD (Radeon, etc)
The scrappy underdog, as good (and often better) than
Nvidia, and usually cheaper too. Just don't mention
the drivers.
* Intel (HD, ARC, etc.)
The cheap version, sometimes okay, often crappy, but
often built into the motherboard so you don't really
have a choice except to use it
Even the loudest cards of today are quiet compared to the cacophony we
used to endure. I dread turning on my old XP computer because of the
noise. You literally have to raise your voice to be heard above it.
And that was considered relatively quiet for its day.
We are absolutely spoiled by modern PCs, where some of the loudest
computers of 2024 would probably have won an award in 2004 for being
so quiet. ;-)
I'm /fairly/ sure my first card was a Thunderboard, an 8-bit clone of
the original Sound Blaster created by Media Vision. It actually was
quite an acceptable board, and its output was transformative. Gone
were the screeching beeps and blats of the 1-bit PC speaker; now there
was actual MUSIC and digital speech!
I didn't stay with the Thunderboard for long, though; it was maybe
only six months before I upgraded to a SoundBlaster Pro, and then
began my long journey exploring audio hardware. My current PC still
rocks a discrete soundcard rather than relying entirely on onboard
audio, even though I realize that the stuff integrated onto the
mainboard is more than good enough for my needs. I think that has a
lot to do with how impressive that original Thunderboard was, and an >unconscious desire to relive that amazing experience so long ago...
Hey kids! What time is it? It's Howdy-Dood^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h time for
another Completely Random and Pointless Poll! Because if it's not
COMPLETELY random and pointless, it's not total CRAP!
---------------------------------------
Today, kids, let's figure out this: which GPU manufacturer's chipset
are YOU rockin' in your rigs?
* Nvidia (GeForce, etc)
They've got a near monopoly on the industry for a reason.
They're fast, capable and nearly everything supports them.
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
Hey kids! What time is it? It's Howdy-Dood^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h time for
another Completely Random and Pointless Poll! Because if it's not
COMPLETELY random and pointless, it's not total CRAP!
---------------------------------------
Today, kids, let's figure out this: which GPU manufacturer's chipset
are YOU rockin' in your rigs?
* Nvidia (GeForce, etc)
They've got a near monopoly on the industry for a reason.
They're fast, capable and nearly everything supports them.
I've been saying for years the nVidia's slogan should have been "It just fucking works!" since they generally run any game without any fuss,
unlike ATi/AMD with their drivers from hell.
I didn't update my video drivers for _7_ years.
Everything I installed, just fucking worked.
No special drivers needed, no it's crap until an emergency update is
released (remember RAGE for AMD users?) everything just worked.
Was it super duper ultra optimized for that specific game?
No, but I don't do that, cause optimizing for one usually means
something else suffers and I switch between games all the time,
especially between new and old ones.
nVidia, it just fucking works!
On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 23:47:17 +0200, Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> wrote:
Sure it was Nvidia. I had a TNT2 Ultra, after, I think, a Voodoo 2 which >>was paired with something else for 2D, no idea what. It's too bad I'm >>pretty vague on how my GPU history went, I have some idea on how my CPU >>history went at least.
I have a better idea how my sound card history went. My first card was
a Game Blaster but I wished it was a Roland MT-32!
Even the loudest cards of today are quiet compared to the cacophony we
used to endure. I dread turning on my old XP computer because of the
noise. You literally have to raise your voice to be heard above it.
And that was considered relatively quiet for its day.
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
Hey kids! What time is it? It's Howdy-Dood^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h time for
another Completely Random and Pointless Poll! Because if it's not
COMPLETELY random and pointless, it's not total CRAP!
---------------------------------------
Today, kids, let's figure out this: which GPU manufacturer's chipset
are YOU rockin' in your rigs?
* Nvidia (GeForce, etc)
They've got a near monopoly on the industry for a reason.
They're fast, capable and nearly everything supports them.
I've been saying for years the nVidia's slogan should have been "It just fucking works!" since they generally run any game without any fuss,
unlike ATi/AMD with their drivers from hell.
I didn't update my video drivers for _7_ years.
Everything I installed, just fucking worked.
No special drivers needed, no it's crap until an emergency update is
released (remember RAGE for AMD users?) everything just worked.
Was it super duper ultra optimized for that specific game?
No, but I don't do that, cause optimizing for one usually means
something else suffers and I switch between games all the time,
especially between new and old ones.
nVidia, it just fucking works!
Xocyll
nVidia, it just fucking works!
Xocyll
-except on Linux.
On 2/9/24 11:39, Xocyll wrote:
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
Hey kids! What time is it? It's Howdy-Dood^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h time for
another Completely Random and Pointless Poll! Because if it's not
COMPLETELY random and pointless, it's not total CRAP!
---------------------------------------
Today, kids, let's figure out this: which GPU manufacturer's chipset
are YOU rockin' in your rigs?
* Nvidia (GeForce, etc)
They've got a near monopoly on the industry for a reason.
They're fast, capable and nearly everything supports them.
I've been saying for years the nVidia's slogan should have been "It just
fucking works!" since they generally run any game without any fuss,
unlike ATi/AMD with their drivers from hell.
I didn't update my video drivers for _7_ years.
Everything I installed, just fucking worked.
No special drivers needed, no it's crap until an emergency update is
released (remember RAGE for AMD users?) everything just worked.
Was it super duper ultra optimized for that specific game?
No, but I don't do that, cause optimizing for one usually means
something else suffers and I switch between games all the time,
especially between new and old ones.
nVidia, it just fucking works!
Xocyll
-except on Linux.
On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 09:45:33 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net>
wrote:
On 2/9/24 11:39, Xocyll wrote:
nVidia, it just fucking works!
-except on Linux.
I admit it; I LOL'd.
Still, I've not had particularly bad luck with Nvidia on Linux. Sure,
it's harder to install, since most distributions don't install
proprietery drivers by default. And maybe the performance is worse
(I've never really noticed the difference, but on the PCs I've tried
it, I don't think I'd notice. Slow hardware is slow no matter the OS.
;-)
But - once I got everything installed - the nVidia hardware worked
just as well as the Intel (and rare ATI) chipsets.
On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 09:45:33 -0600, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2/9/24 11:39, Xocyll wrote:
Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
Hey kids! What time is it? It's Howdy-Dood^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h time for
another Completely Random and Pointless Poll! Because if it's not
COMPLETELY random and pointless, it's not total CRAP!
---------------------------------------
Today, kids, let's figure out this: which GPU manufacturer's chipset
are YOU rockin' in your rigs?
* Nvidia (GeForce, etc)
They've got a near monopoly on the industry for a reason.
They're fast, capable and nearly everything supports them.
I've been saying for years the nVidia's slogan should have been "It just >>> fucking works!" since they generally run any game without any fuss,
unlike ATi/AMD with their drivers from hell.
I didn't update my video drivers for _7_ years.
Everything I installed, just fucking worked.
No special drivers needed, no it's crap until an emergency update is
released (remember RAGE for AMD users?) everything just worked.
Was it super duper ultra optimized for that specific game?
No, but I don't do that, cause optimizing for one usually means
something else suffers and I switch between games all the time,
especially between new and old ones.
nVidia, it just fucking works!
Xocyll
-except on Linux.
Nvidia works on Linux. It just doesn't work with the philosophy of Linux.
So distros make it hard to set up because of their ideological dislike of binary blobs.
They should go the Firefox route with Widevine. Make it an opt-out part
of a default install if Nvidia is detected. "This isn't free, but you may need it." I think Ubuntu used to do that.
I don't know about the state of other distros, but the blob works.
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