• Re: TIL: Derek Smart is into Web3

    From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to kyonshi on Tue Jan 9 08:17:36 2024
    On 1/9/24 02:47, kyonshi wrote:
    On 1/9/2024 2:19 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    Unless you're an old-school gamer - or an old-school Usenetter - the
    name 'Derek Smart' probably doesn't mean anything to you. And why
    would it? He hasn't been relevant since the late 90s (and arguably was
    more 'loud' than 'relevant' even back then). But if you were on Usenet
    - and specifically on the comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.* hierarchy - his name
    was a thing of terror. Struggling to release a working version of his
    "Battlecruiser 3000" game, he was... well, I'll be polite and just say
    he was extremely /defensive/ of his extremely flawed project. His
    diatribes were legendary and he would so often aggressively insert
    himself into conversations that it became a running joke amongst
    Usenetters not to mention his name lest he be appear, as if a demon
    summoned from the pit by the incantation of his true name.

    But as Usenet dwindled in popularity - and his games failed to garner
    any real success - he fell out of the limelight. He occasionally makes
    a reappearance elsewhere on the Internet (most famously,
    self-inserting himself into an argument about the success of "Star
    Citizen", proving even a stopped clock can be right twice a day) but
    nowadays, almost nobody remembers him.

    So it probably means nothing to most people here for me to mention
    that Derek Smart has invested in Web3 (aka, blockchain-powered) games,
    going so far as to create his own web-company (WideSpan Ventures). But
    it gave me a chuckle because, for those who remember him, the only
    possible reaction is, "Of course he did." He's a quintessential
    tech-bro and the only reason I didn't suspect it is because I thought
    he was dead (honestly, I think I was more surprised to learn he was
    still alive than that he was involved in crypto. Web3 is where a lot
    of old-school designers go to fail these days, it seems).

    And who knows; maybe mention of his name here will summon the beast
    back so we all can re-experience the horror of his writing style once
    again. ;-)





    Can we not call it Web3? It's what they want to call it, but frankly i
    don't see any impact it the whole crypto-whatever-shenanigans had that
    make it necessary to tag it like that. As far as I've noticed the only
    thing cryptocurrency did was make it easier for people to buy drugs and ransom companies. I still am waiting for someone to come up with a use
    for blockchain technology that could not be done with less effort and
    energy wasted by leaving it out.

    I remember Battlecruiser 3000, mostly I remember it because I never
    managed to get it running on multiple computers. It sounded like it
    would be my jam, but somehow it just wouldn't start, no matter how much
    I tried. It certainly would have been nice to see what the whole fuzz
    was about.

    I wonder if anyone made a fixed patch of the game.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From Ross Ridge@21:1/5 to gmkeros@gmail.com on Tue Jan 9 18:48:55 2024
    kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    Can we not call it Web3? It's what they want to call it, but frankly i
    don't see any impact it the whole crypto-whatever-shenanigans had that
    make it necessary to tag it like that.

    It's a perfect name for it. The whole Web 2.0 thing was a meaningless
    hyped up joke, so I'm fine Web 3.0 being a meaningless hyped up scam.

    --
    l/ // Ross Ridge -- The Great HTMU
    [oo][oo] rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
    -()-/()/ http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca:11068/
    db //

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to kyonshi on Tue Jan 9 13:03:21 2024
    On 1/9/2024 12:47 AM, kyonshi wrote:
    On 1/9/2024 2:19 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

    So it probably means nothing to most people here for me to mention
    that Derek Smart has invested in Web3 (aka, blockchain-powered) games,
    going so far as to create his own web-company (WideSpan Ventures). But
    it gave me a chuckle because, for those who remember him, the only
    possible reaction is, "Of course he did." He's a quintessential
    tech-bro and the only reason I didn't suspect it is because I thought
    he was dead (honestly, I think I was more surprised to learn he was
    still alive than that he was involved in crypto. Web3 is where a lot
    of old-school designers go to fail these days, it seems)

    Can we not call it Web3? It's what they want to call it, but frankly i
    don't see any impact it the whole crypto-whatever-shenanigans had that
    make it necessary to tag it like that. As far as I've noticed the only
    thing cryptocurrency did was make it easier for people to buy drugs and ransom companies. I still am waiting for someone to come up with a use
    for blockchain technology that could not be done with less effort and
    energy wasted by leaving it out.

    Supposedly big on the backend for tracking banking/financial
    transactions. Not something most would be aware of.

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 10 11:23:44 2024
    Derek Smart was sort of a "mad" man, he pursuit a dream he could not
    fullfill as a single person, but frankly spoken he also was not a team
    player either. Of course he failed back then his idea was a projekt
    impossible to do by a single person by that time and state of affairs
    but still he did!

    He did not fail in bringing out the game, he failed into bringing out a
    good bugfree game and thats because he was working alone on it, his
    great thing was that he could bring out the game at all!

    As for Crypto bros, yes all those legends who have failed in their Derek
    Smart like dreams seem to flock into. The classical example is Garriott,
    who has failed for years to bring out the next big mmrpg, while the
    first mmrpg he is constantly claiming to be his biggest success, was not
    even his design back then, he just had a good hand in choosing a
    designer who actually had mmprg experience first hand!

    Now that his biggest dream seems to be to go from millionaire to become
    richer than his wife he jumps on everything which seems to be tons of
    cash in promise!

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 10 11:28:18 2024
    Am 09.01.24 um 22:03 schrieb Justisaur:
    Supposedly big on the backend for tracking banking/financial
    transactions.  Not something most would be aware of.
    not really, more like wanna be, SWIFT is the global transaction
    protocol/system to handle it within banks, it will be hard for the
    crypto bros to exchange that system which has literally been in place
    for decades!

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to kyonshi on Wed Jan 10 09:09:19 2024
    On 1/10/2024 12:52 AM, kyonshi wrote:
    On 1/9/2024 10:03 PM, Justisaur wrote:


    Supposedly big on the backend for tracking banking/financial
    transactions.  Not something most would be aware of.


    I am working for a bank and was recently listening to a presentation of
    one of these ideas. They were very careful not to mention blockchain and crypto at all, until one of them mentioned the blockchain by mistake.
    The temperature in the meeting noticeably dropped after that.

    And the question was raised how this was any better than the systems
    already in place, and I at least found the answers rather unconvincing.

    Not that I listened to it anymore after it turned out it was some crypto stuff.

    *Sigh* figures, that came from a trusted source. I can't trust them
    now, another one falls to the blockchain hype. :(

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Wed Jan 10 08:50:38 2024
    On 1/10/2024 2:23 AM, Werner P. wrote:
    Derek Smart was sort of a "mad" man, he pursuit a dream he could not
    fullfill as a single person, but frankly spoken he also was not a team
    player either.

    Derek Smart literally could not be polite to another person to save his
    life.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Rin Stowleigh@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Wed Jan 10 18:43:37 2024
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:50:38 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 1/10/2024 2:23 AM, Werner P. wrote:
    Derek Smart was sort of a "mad" man, he pursuit a dream he could not
    fullfill as a single person, but frankly spoken he also was not a team
    player either.

    Derek Smart literally could not be polite to another person to save his
    life.

    There are tales told by some that say he's a nice guy in person
    professionally and treats people well...

    https://www.polygon.com/2012/11/14/3553620/the-redemption-of-derek-smart

    ... but even if that's the case, he has probably committed enough
    douchbaggery online to qualify as a RL douche.

    I really didn't get caught up in reading all of those flamewars, but I
    seem to recall he was claiming to have a Ph.D. but wouldn't say from
    what school? lol

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Rin Stowleigh on Thu Jan 11 06:56:53 2024
    On 1/10/2024 3:43 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:

    I
    seem to recall he was claiming to have a Ph.D. but wouldn't say from
    what school? lol

    A PHD from the school of hard knocks. That stands for Piled Higher and
    Deeper if anyone's unfamiliar.

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  • From Rin Stowleigh@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 11 19:15:58 2024
    On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 06:56:53 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On 1/10/2024 3:43 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:

    I
    seem to recall he was claiming to have a Ph.D. but wouldn't say from
    what school? lol

    A PHD from the school of hard knocks. That stands for Piled Higher and >Deeper if anyone's unfamiliar.

    Most of the people I know personally who have a doctoral degree from a legitimate accredited school (very few actually, I can count on one
    hand the number of people I'm talking about), I can literally just
    Google their name and find their dissertation or at least an excerpt
    from it online.

    In all the flame wars I remember glossing over, I don't think anyone
    ever even asked him the topic of his dissertation, or some proof it
    existed.

    Besides, anyone who hasn't written a 300+ page novel-sized
    dissertation and can provide proof of it, if not the entire thing,
    cannot be considered a legit PhD.

    If he ever did do this at all, I can only imagine the plagarism
    involved.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Rin Stowleigh on Fri Jan 12 06:55:01 2024
    On 1/11/2024 4:15 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 06:56:53 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On 1/10/2024 3:43 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:

    I
    seem to recall he was claiming to have a Ph.D. but wouldn't say from
    what school? lol

    A PHD from the school of hard knocks. That stands for Piled Higher and
    Deeper if anyone's unfamiliar.

    Most of the people I know personally who have a doctoral degree from a legitimate accredited school (very few actually, I can count on one
    hand the number of people I'm talking about), I can literally just
    Google their name and find their dissertation or at least an excerpt
    from it online.

    In all the flame wars I remember glossing over, I don't think anyone
    ever even asked him the topic of his dissertation, or some proof it
    existed.

    Besides, anyone who hasn't written a 300+ page novel-sized
    dissertation and can provide proof of it, if not the entire thing,
    cannot be considered a legit PhD.

    If he ever did do this at all, I can only imagine the plagarism
    involved.

    He was just ahead of his time, practicing to be an AI.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Fri Jan 12 08:18:01 2024
    On 1/12/2024 6:55 AM, Justisaur wrote:
    On 1/11/2024 4:15 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 06:56:53 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On 1/10/2024 3:43 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:

    I
    seem to recall he was claiming to have a Ph.D. but wouldn't say from
    what school?  lol

    A PHD from the school of hard knocks.  That stands for Piled Higher and >>> Deeper if anyone's unfamiliar.

    Most of the people I know personally who have a doctoral degree from a
    legitimate accredited school (very few actually, I can count on one
    hand the number of people I'm talking about), I can literally just
    Google their name and find their dissertation or at least an excerpt
    from it online.

    In all the flame wars I remember glossing over, I don't think anyone
    ever even asked him the topic of his dissertation, or some proof it
    existed.

    Besides, anyone who hasn't written a 300+ page novel-sized
    dissertation and can provide proof of it, if not the entire thing,
    cannot be considered a legit PhD.

    If he ever did do this at all, I can only imagine the plagarism
    involved.

    He was just ahead of his time, practicing to be an AI.

    Can you prove he _isn't_ an early AI?

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Rin Stowleigh@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Fri Jan 12 11:21:59 2024
    On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 08:18:01 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 1/12/2024 6:55 AM, Justisaur wrote:
    On 1/11/2024 4:15 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 06:56:53 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On 1/10/2024 3:43 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:

    I
    seem to recall he was claiming to have a Ph.D. but wouldn't say from >>>>> what school?  lol

    A PHD from the school of hard knocks.  That stands for Piled Higher and >>>> Deeper if anyone's unfamiliar.

    Most of the people I know personally who have a doctoral degree from a
    legitimate accredited school (very few actually, I can count on one
    hand the number of people I'm talking about), I can literally just
    Google their name and find their dissertation or at least an excerpt
    from it online.

    In all the flame wars I remember glossing over, I don't think anyone
    ever even asked him the topic of his dissertation, or some proof it
    existed.

    Besides, anyone who hasn't written a 300+ page novel-sized
    dissertation and can provide proof of it, if not the entire thing,
    cannot be considered a legit PhD.

    If he ever did do this at all, I can only imagine the plagarism
    involved.

    He was just ahead of his time, practicing to be an AI.

    Can you prove he _isn't_ an early AI?

    I can confirm that all of his intelligence was artificial.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Sun Jan 14 11:47:12 2024
    On 10/01/2024 16:50, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 1/10/2024 2:23 AM, Werner P. wrote:
    Derek Smart was sort of a "mad" man, he pursuit a dream he could not
    fullfill as a single person, but frankly spoken he also was not a team
    player either.

    Derek Smart literally could not be polite to another person to save his
    life.


    The internet brings out the worst in some people. So I've been a member
    of several different model kit forums and it's almost mandatory to have
    at least one arsehole with zero social skills*. Oh you're wondering how
    to make bullet and shell damage on an armoured vehicle. Now I could tell
    you the the techniques I use or instead basically have a go at you as
    you;re the problem with modellers today in that you don't go back to
    reference material and learn for yourself what to do.

    I met the guy in real-life and heard a few other stories about him. By
    all accounts he was an all round arsehole and didn't restrict himself to online.

    *That's the reason that the group I'm now in is very much you can't join
    unless you get a recommendation from an existing member.

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 15 14:22:15 2024
    Am 15.01.24 um 14:16 schrieb Werner P.:
    Am 12.01.24 um 17:18 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:
    Can you prove he _isn't_ an early AI?
    Yes... he failed the turing test!

    btw speaking of early usenet dev trolls, can anyone remember the
    australian propper guy doing his own rpg, who sometimes fell into a
    racistic rant and basically was on a private vendetta against the sir
    tech owners...
    He or is son brought out the game it is available, i bought it for the
    fun hours he gave me "unwillingly but he did"
    Have yet to try it, it is a pretty long game.
    Cleve Blakemore I think was his name and Grimoire the name of the game.

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 15 14:16:18 2024
    Am 12.01.24 um 17:18 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:
    Can you prove he _isn't_ an early AI?
    Yes... he failed the turing test!

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Mon Jan 15 07:26:10 2024
    On 1/15/2024 5:16 AM, Werner P. wrote:
    Am 12.01.24 um 17:18 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:
    Can you prove he _isn't_ an early AI?
    Yes... he failed the turing test!

    That sounds more like proof that he _is_ an early AI.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 17 16:37:30 2024
    Am 15.01.24 um 16:26 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:
    On 1/15/2024 5:16 AM, Werner P. wrote:
    Am 12.01.24 um 17:18 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:
    Can you prove he _isn't_ an early AI?
    Yes... he failed the turing test!

    That sounds more like proof that he _is_ an early AI.

    No early AI could convince anyone that there is something unreal
    behind those posts than he ever could!

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