I misplaced my first sata adapter, but have just received this adapter.
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On my Iyonix, the sata drive (previously formatted ADFS with USB
adapter) will be found if on its own ide socket (as master), but not as
slave to my usual ide boot drive.
Both drives are Hitachi 2.5"
The new ide/sata adapter can be configured master/slave, probably worth trying a second adapter to see if two adapters would work on the one 40
pin cable.
The drive previously formatted via USB is not getting recognised as
being formatted, but there is a newer format utility released so won't
delve into the reasons.
Discknight fully recognised the hardware but all the files were wrong somehow.
I'm expecting that once reformatted via the interface that it will be
OK but will post again to confirm.
HTH people interested, maybe Stefan, Chris Evans. Druck was selling his Iyonix, but may be able to help as to why usb formatting has not passed
over to the ide/sata if it is still a valid issue.
Ronald May
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Ronald <gettingchoppy@gmail.com> wrote:
On my Iyonix, the sata drive (previously formatted ADFS with USB
adapter) will be found if on its own ide socket (as master), but not as slave to my usual ide boot drive.
Both drives are Hitachi 2.5"
The master-slave relationship needs the drives to be compatible. Sometimes they won't cooperate, for example if the master has firmware much older
than the slave.
The drive previously formatted via USB is not getting recognised as
being formatted, but there is a newer format utility released so won't
delve into the reasons.
Discknight fully recognised the hardware but all the files were wrong somehow.
I'm expecting that once reformatted via the interface that it will be
OK but will post again to confirm.
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Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> wrote:
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Ronald <gettingchoppy@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>On my Iyonix, the sata drive (previously formatted ADFS with USB
adapter) will be found if on its own ide socket (as master), but not as
slave to my usual ide boot drive.
Both drives are Hitachi 2.5"
The master-slave relationship needs the drives to be compatible. Sometimes >> they won't cooperate, for example if the master has firmware much older
than the slave.
Mmmm, the parallel ide hitachi will naturally have older firmware than
the sata hitachi, so the combination may never work, unless there is
firmware updates for old drives possible. Likely would be a Windows
utility for that sort of thing.
With two IDE slots, I have some flexibility, I guess the end game would likely be multiple ide/sata adapters with ssd's and or sata cd/dvd
drives.
I'm currently (very slowly) copying off 16GB data via USB to USB so I
can try reformatting the sata drive.
The slowness highlights why it would be good to use sata as an easy
plugin drive, maybe not as convenient as USB but much better than the 40-44pin adapter and the parallel ide 2.5" connection.
Ronald May
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Ronald <gettingchoppy@gmail.com> wrote: <snip>
The drive previously formatted via USB is not getting recognised as being formatted, but there is a newer format utility released so won't delve
into the reasons. Discknight fully recognised the hardware but all the files were wrong somehow.
I'm expecting that once reformatted via the interface that it will be OK but will post again to confirm.
<snip> OK, the sata drive formatted with (newest) hform of Oct 20 has had a 5GB docs folder written to it and it also mounts with the USB/Sata adapter.
When hform formats through ide it suggests (and I used) 77527 cyls 16Hds
189 sectors/track
When hform formats though scsi(usb) it suggests (and I used last time)
63005 cyls 61 Hds 61 sectors/track
But this USB formatting resulted in 'has disc been formatted' when I tried
to read it with ide/sata adapter, though it did work with USB OK.
Obviously the best way is to always format with ide. But could it be something that needs to be fixed in Hform->Scsi?
In message <e271fcdd58.beeb@-.->The issue is only to do with the hform->scsi option.
Ronald <gettingchoppy@gmail.com> wrote:
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Ronald <gettingchoppy@gmail.com> wrote: <snip>
The drive previously formatted via USB is not getting recognised as being formatted, but there is a newer format utility released so won't delve into the reasons. Discknight fully recognised the hardware but all the files were wrong somehow.
I'm expecting that once reformatted via the interface that it will be OK but will post again to confirm.
<snip> OK, the sata drive formatted with (newest) hform of Oct 20 has had a 5GB docs folder written to it and it also mounts with the USB/Sata adapter.
When hform formats through ide it suggests (and I used) 77527 cyls 16Hds 189 sectors/track
When hform formats though scsi(usb) it suggests (and I used last time) 63005 cyls 61 Hds 61 sectors/track
But this USB formatting resulted in 'has disc been formatted' when I tried to read it with ide/sata adapter, though it did work with USB OK.
Obviously the best way is to always format with ide. But could it be something that needs to be fixed in Hform->Scsi?
I was only half paying attention at the time, but there was something recently about recent versions of HForm using fragment ID sizes that
old versions of RO (e.g. in the Iyonix) can't cope with.
I apologise if this turns out not to be relevant.
David
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Ronald <gettingchoppy@gmail.com> wrote:
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Ronald <gettingchoppy@gmail.com> wrote: <snip>
The drive previously formatted via USB is not getting recognised as being formatted, but there is a newer format utility released so won't delve into the reasons. Discknight fully recognised the hardware but all the files were wrong somehow.
I'm expecting that once reformatted via the interface that it will be OK but will post again to confirm.
<snip> OK, the sata drive formatted with (newest) hform of Oct 20 has had a 5GB docs folder written to it and it also mounts with the USB/Sata adapter.
When hform formats through ide it suggests (and I used) 77527 cyls 16Hds 189 sectors/track
When hform formats though scsi(usb) it suggests (and I used last time) 63005 cyls 61 Hds 61 sectors/track
But this USB formatting resulted in 'has disc been formatted' when I tried to read it with ide/sata adapter, though it did work with USB OK.
Obviously the best way is to always format with ide. But could it be something that needs to be fixed in Hform->Scsi?
I was only half paying attention at the time, but there was something recently about recent versions of HForm using fragment ID sizes that
old versions of RO (e.g. in the Iyonix) can't cope with.
I apologise if this turns out not to be relevant.
In article <ae633ede58.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton <URL:mailto:dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:<snip>
I was only half paying attention at the time, but there was something recently about recent versions of HForm using fragment ID sizes that
old versions of RO (e.g. in the Iyonix) can't cope with.
Druck mentioned it as possible problem, Sprow pointed out the latest copes even with RISC OS 3.1 which we have been able to confirm is o.k.
The thread is here:https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/5/topics/15945
I apologise if this turns out not to be relevant.
IDE to SATA interfaces seem very varied and we've seen them seem to work but then report a drive as unformatted that it had read o.k. before!
Chris Evans
It looks like these IDE/SATA adapter(s?) need their own IDE channel, but
I haven't tried other HDD's, multiple adapters, or other types.
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