• Re: Pre-Show Release for RISCOSbits

    From David Higton@21:1/5 to allowed someone to on Wed Oct 27 13:53:57 2021
    In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
    <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

    Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than
    three pounds

    Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

    David

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to David Higton on Wed Oct 27 14:33:33 2021
    In article <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
    <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

    Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than
    three pounds

    Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

    David

    It's a British Computer - perhaps endorsed by a certain Rees-Mog?

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Chris Hughes@21:1/5 to David Higton on Wed Oct 27 15:30:16 2021
    In message <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
    <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

    Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than
    three pounds

    Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

    Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we are going imperial
    again! Now we are not in the EU, we are going back to real
    measurements!!!! :-( God help the poor kids and probably teachers, who do
    not know anything but metric.

    I think it was our Brexit negotiator Lord Frost who say we might go back
    to pounds, shillings and pence again as well in due course - madness,
    total madness. :-(


    --
    Chris Hughes

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  • From Alan Calder BT@21:1/5 to bob@sick-of-spam.invalid on Wed Oct 27 16:07:30 2021
    In article <59820452e0bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <f3e0038259.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>, Chris Hughes
    <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM> David Higton
    <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
    <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

    Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less
    than three pounds

    Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

    Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we are going
    imperial again! Now we are not in the EU, we are going back to real measurements!!!! :-( God help the poor kids and probably teachers, who
    do not know anything but metric.

    I think it was our Brexit negotiator Lord Frost who say we might go
    back to pounds, shillings and pence again as well in due course -
    madness, total madness. :-(


    False nonsense.

    Which bit are you calling 'false nonsense', Bob? The Moggs/Frost daft burblings or the description of said burblings?

    Alan

    --
    Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Wed Oct 27 16:03:35 2021
    In article <59820452e0bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <f3e0038259.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>,
    Chris Hughes <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
    <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

    Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than
    three pounds

    Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

    Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we are going
    imperial again! Now we are not in the EU, we are going back to
    real measurements!!!! :-( God help the poor kids and probably
    teachers, who do not know anything but metric.

    I think it was our Brexit negotiator Lord Frost who say we might go
    back to pounds, shillings and pence again as well in due course -
    madness, total madness. :-(


    False nonsense.

    But we can't go back to "Imperial". That's about the Empire & slavery, etc.
    It was suggested that even Imperial College might have to change its name. Metric College doesn't have quite the same gravitas

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Chris Hughes on Wed Oct 27 15:35:07 2021
    In article <f3e0038259.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>,
    Chris Hughes <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
    <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

    Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than
    three pounds

    Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

    Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we are going
    imperial again! Now we are not in the EU, we are going back to
    real measurements!!!! :-( God help the poor kids and probably
    teachers, who do not know anything but metric.

    I think it was our Brexit negotiator Lord Frost who say we might go
    back to pounds, shillings and pence again as well in due course -
    madness, total madness. :-(


    False nonsense.


    Bob.

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  • From Nick Roberts@21:1/5 to Chris Hughes on Wed Oct 27 17:09:04 2021
    In message <f3e0038259.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>
    Chris Hughes <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

    In message <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
    <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

    Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than
    three pounds

    Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

    Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we are going
    imperial again! Now we are not in the EU, we are going back to real measurements!!!! :-( God help the poor kids and probably teachers,
    who do not know anything but metric.

    And god help all the scientists and engineers who would need to operate
    using SI in their professional life and Imperial at all other times.


    I think it was our Brexit negotiator Lord Frost who say we might go
    back to pounds, shillings and pence again as well in due course -
    madness, total madness. :-(

    I regret the loss of the light-year-acre. It's quite a convenient
    metric for measuring the volume of planets (from recollection, most
    planets end up in the 0.1-20 lya range).

    --
    Nick Roberts tigger @ orpheusinternet.co.uk

    Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which
    can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Alan Calder BT on Wed Oct 27 17:36:15 2021
    In article <59820749cdalancalder.8@btinternet.com>,
    Alan Calder BT <alancalder.8@btinternet.com> wrote:
    In article <59820452e0bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <f3e0038259.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>, Chris Hughes
    <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM> David Higton
    <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
    <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

    Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less
    than three pounds

    Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

    Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we are going
    imperial again! Now we are not in the EU, we are going back to
    real measurements!!!! :-( God help the poor kids and probably
    teachers, who do not know anything but metric.

    I think it was our Brexit negotiator Lord Frost who say we
    might go back to pounds, shillings and pence again as well in
    due course - madness, total madness. :-(


    False nonsense.

    Which bit are you calling 'false nonsense', Bob? The Moggs/Frost
    daft burblings or the description of said burblings?

    There is no serious suggestion that we abandon metric in favour of a
    previous measurement structure. However, if a business thinks that
    their customers would like to purchase by the yard, pint, ounce or
    whatever there is no intention or need to prevent them doing so.

    Bob.

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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to charles on Wed Oct 27 19:40:19 2021
    In article <5981feaf9bcharles@candehope.me.uk>,
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
    In article <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
    <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

    Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than three pounds

    Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

    David

    It's a British Computer - perhaps endorsed by a certain Rees-Mog?

    I guess the majority of us RO users are entirely familiar with the
    imperial system and many still use it!

    --
    Stuart Winsor

    Tools With A Mission
    sending tools across the world
    http://www.twam.co.uk/

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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Wed Oct 27 19:37:13 2021
    In article <59820f6927bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    There is no serious suggestion that we abandon metric in favour of a
    previous measurement structure. However, if a business thinks that
    their customers would like to purchase by the yard, pint, ounce or
    whatever there is no intention or need to prevent them doing so.

    Well I'm Bloomin glad I can still buy a pint in my local pub!

    I see the chancellor is reducing the duty on good Ale too.

    --
    Stuart Winsor

    Tools With A Mission
    sending tools across the world
    http://www.twam.co.uk/

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  • From druck@21:1/5 to charles on Wed Oct 27 21:09:39 2021
    On 27/10/2021 14:33, charles wrote:
    In article <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
    <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

    Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than
    three pounds

    Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

    It's a British Computer - perhaps endorsed by a certain Rees-Mog?

    If it's good enough for the minister for the Victorian era, it's good
    enough for me.

    ---druck

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to Stuart on Wed Oct 27 20:33:23 2021
    In message <59821ac594Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
    Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <5981feaf9bcharles@candehope.me.uk>,
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
    In article <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
    <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

    Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less than three pounds

    Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

    David

    It's a British Computer - perhaps endorsed by a certain Rees-Mog?

    I guess the majority of us RO users are entirely familiar with the imperial system and many still use it!

    Hmm. I abandoned the Imperial system somewhere around 1975, IIRC.

    Years earlier, I had grown up with Imperial, then learned the CGS and
    MKS systems (as they were called at the time) at school. It was
    abundantly clear by them that metric (in whichever set of units) was
    easier and clearer, so, as an adult, I made the switch completely.

    David

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to dave@davehigton.me.uk on Wed Oct 27 20:53:43 2021
    In article <4ca11f8259.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <59821ac594Spambin@argonet.co.uk> Stuart
    <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <5981feaf9bcharles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
    <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
    In article <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton
    <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
    <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

    Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less
    than three pounds

    Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

    David

    It's a British Computer - perhaps endorsed by a certain Rees-Mog?

    I guess the majority of us RO users are entirely familiar with the
    imperial system and many still use it!

    Hmm. I abandoned the Imperial system somewhere around 1975, IIRC.

    Years earlier, I had grown up with Imperial, then learned the CGS and MKS systems (as they were called at the time) at school. It was abundantly
    clear by them that metric (in whichever set of units) was easier and
    clearer, so, as an adult, I made the switch completely.

    It's interesting to consider that electrical measurements have always been
    made using a metric system.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From John@21:1/5 to charles@candehope.me.uk on Wed Oct 27 21:27:02 2021
    In article <5982217cffcharles@candehope.me.uk>, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    It's interesting to consider that electrical measurements
    have always been made using a metric system.

    Not quite, Charles. That's only true in recent times. I
    used to have a copy of the Admiralty Handbook of Wireless
    Telegraphy and I recall that capacitance was measured in
    jars.

    My school physics text books used to measure magnetic
    phenomena using gilberts, örsteds and lines.

    John

    --
    John
    newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk
    j dot mccartney atte blueyonder dot co dot uk

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  • From Russell Hafter News@21:1/5 to Nick Roberts on Wed Oct 27 21:21:51 2021
    In article <c1ec0c8259.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
    Nick Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we
    are going imperial again! Now we are not in the EU, we
    are going back to real measurements!!!! :-( God help
    the poor kids and probably teachers, who do not know
    anything but metric.

    And god help all the scientists and engineers who would
    need to operate using SI in their professional life and
    Imperial at all other times.

    Back in the early 1990s when I was still teaching, a 12 year
    old girl asked how to change the margins on a document. I
    talked her through the process and she asked why the default
    setting was 2.54cm. I explained that 2.54cm = 1 inch. Her
    response: "What is an inch?" I suspect that I found an old
    ruler...

    My niece is an architect, first degree at Sheffield, but
    then decided to do a masters at Syracuse NY (copying her
    mother).
    She got the shock of her life when she discovered that she
    was supposed to work in 1/32 of an inch, rather than mm.

    Even in the mid-1970s, chemists in the USA used all metric.
    Problems only arose when buying bulk liquids - no one could
    supply a litre of anything, because no one made bottles that
    size. Chemical catalogues sold in 946ml bottles + 1 US
    quart.

    --
    Russell
    Russell Hafter
    E-mail to russell at russellhafter dot me dot uk
    Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103> Friendly web hosting <https://www.xencentrichosting.uk/billing/aff.php?aff=7>

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  • From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to Russell Hafter News on Wed Oct 27 22:51:53 2021
    In article <5982241134see.sig@russellhafter.me.invalid>,
    Russell Hafter News <see.sig@russellhafter.me.invalid> wrote:
    In article <c1ec0c8259.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
    Nick Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we
    are going imperial again! Now we are not in the EU, we
    are going back to real measurements!!!! :-( God help
    the poor kids and probably teachers, who do not know
    anything but metric.

    And god help all the scientists and engineers who would
    need to operate using SI in their professional life and
    Imperial at all other times.

    Back in the early 1990s when I was still teaching, a 12 year
    old girl asked how to change the margins on a document. I
    talked her through the process and she asked why the default
    setting was 2.54cm. I explained that 2.54cm = 1 inch. Her
    response: "What is an inch?" I suspect that I found an old
    ruler...

    Is called doudecimal when based on 12? 12 was useful in times gone past
    as it was easily divisible by 2,3,4 & 6.

    There are still those about who refer to the metric system as Napoleon's Revenge although it was devised before he came on the scene.

    --
    Chris Newman

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  • From Adrian Crafer@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Wed Oct 27 22:33:47 2021
    In message <59820f6927bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <59820749cdalancalder.8@btinternet.com>,
    Alan Calder BT <alancalder.8@btinternet.com> wrote:
    In article <59820452e0bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
    <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <f3e0038259.chris@mytarbis.plus.com>, Chris Hughes
    <lists@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM> David Higton
    <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
    <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

    Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly less
    than three pounds

    Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

    Have you not heard mate, metric is on its way out, we are going
    imperial again! Now we are not in the EU, we are going back to
    real measurements!!!! :-( God help the poor kids and probably
    teachers, who do not know anything but metric.

    I think it was our Brexit negotiator Lord Frost who say we
    might go back to pounds, shillings and pence again as well in
    due course - madness, total madness. :-(


    False nonsense.

    Which bit are you calling 'false nonsense', Bob? The Moggs/Frost
    daft burblings or the description of said burblings?

    There is no serious suggestion that we abandon metric in favour of a
    previous measurement structure. However, if a business thinks that
    their customers would like to purchase by the yard, pint, ounce or
    whatever there is no intention or need to prevent them doing so.

    Bob.

    I manufacture equipment that was originally designed in the 1920s and in
    some cases even earlier. I have to certify to one of my customers that the equipment is made to the originals specifications. This means I use feet
    and inches, Whitworth Bolts and BA bolts, the later ironically were
    devised as metric, but normally always expressed in the nearest imperial
    unit. The customer a big organisation claims it now does everything in
    metric, which it doesn't. The British Standards that apply, have never
    been metricated, and so are considered obsolete for that reason, but still
    have to be used to facilitate replacement equipment working with earlier equipment.

    Adrain

    --


    acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk

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  • From Steve Fryatt@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Wed Oct 27 23:13:03 2021
    On 27 Oct, Bob Latham wrote in message
    <59820f6927bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>:

    In article <59820749cdalancalder.8@btinternet.com>,
    Alan Calder BT <alancalder.8@btinternet.com> wrote:

    Which bit are you calling 'false nonsense', Bob? The Moggs/Frost daft burblings or the description of said burblings?

    There is no serious suggestion that we abandon metric in favour of a
    previous measurement structure.

    That depends on what you mean by "serious". It was included in Ian Duncan Smith's "Brexit Opportunities" policy paper from the Cabinet Office. Then again, maybe you mean that IDS isn't a serious politician?

    Though if policy paper on "Brexit Opportunities" is having to include
    unserious suggestions in order to pad itself out to just four A4 pages, then that in itself is also quite telling...

    However, if a business thinks that their customers would like to purchase
    by the yard, pint, ounce or whatever there is no intention or need to
    prevent them doing so.

    And as there never has been any such restriction[1] outside of the fevered imaginations of the Brexiteers, it's just another "Blue Passport" issue[2].

    1. The sale must be in metric, but there's nothing to stop items being
    measured or packaged in imperial quantities in parallel. A wander down the dairy isle of your local supermarket would show you this very quickly, as
    the milk cartons in my fridge appear to contain 1.136 litres for some unfathomable reason. I also buy plywood in sheets measuring 1220 x 2440 mm, because apparently that has got some deeper meaning.

    2. Something that could have been fixed perfectly will whilst still in the
    EU.

    --
    Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

    http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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  • From Dave@21:1/5 to Steve Fryatt on Thu Oct 28 07:41:55 2021
    In article <mpro.r1nppk02dwov602ie.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
    Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
    [Snippy]
    I also buy plywood in sheets measuring 1220 x 2440 mm,
    because apparently that has got some deeper meaning.

    Most, (Though not all) of my working life was in Building Construction and Maintenance, and the above noted was often a discussion point between us
    oldies and the younger workers.

    It's a perception thing, a minds eye thing... And it's kind of palpable.

    An 8' x 4' sheet of board has a visiospatial reality in my mind, and even though I know intellectually 2440mm x 1220mm is the same measurement, it doesn't have a visiospatial reality registered.

    Similarly a 4" x 2" (Sawn or prepared) timber has a visiospatial reality
    in my mind, but a 100 x 50mm does not.

    Again, a 10' length of 4 x 2 has a reality, but a 3.050 Metre length does
    not.

    Obviously from the time of metrication until I retired I used metric measurements, but the core perceptions of dimensions in my head were and
    still are in imperial.

    That all might appear a bit strange, it even looks strange to me when
    written down, but from past discussions it did appear to be the case
    generally in construction.

    Old plumbers still referring to pipe sizes as three quarter inch copper
    pipe, and bags of cement were 1 Cwt not 50.8 Kg.

    Dave


    Chuckle... Even to this day, when reading a building plan it's hard to visualise the room size Dims without doing an imperial conversion... :-)

    D.

    --

    Dave Triffid

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  • From druck@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Thu Oct 28 09:13:22 2021
    On 27/10/2021 22:51, Chris Newman wrote:
    There are still those about who refer to the metric system as Napoleon's Revenge although it was devised before he came on the scene.

    That and driving on the wrong side of the road.

    Luckily the sensible parts of the world still pass sword arm to sword arm.

    ---druck

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Steve Fryatt on Thu Oct 28 09:09:47 2021
    In article <mpro.r1nppk02dwov602ie.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
    Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

    However, if a business thinks that their customers would like to
    purchase by the yard, pint, ounce or whatever there is no
    intention or need to prevent them doing so.

    2. Something that could have been fixed perfectly will whilst still
    in the EU.

    But it hasn't been much of an issue for decades and I don't recall it
    even being mentioned during 2016.

    Anyway no serious changes happening. In all but exceptional cases
    like mentioned in this thread, if you like metric use metric, no
    issue.

    Why do people get off on desperately looking for absurd problems that
    don't exist. If Brexit is so awful, surely there are enough real
    problems.

    Bob.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to druck on Thu Oct 28 09:41:18 2021
    In article <sldm32$eqt$2@dont-email.me>,
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

    still pass sword arm to sword arm.

    LOL. Never thought of it like that before. :-)


    Bob.

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  • From John Williams (News)@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Thu Oct 28 10:22:47 2021
    In article <598267c427bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    still pass sword arm to sword arm.

    LOL. Never thought of it like that before. :-)

    Much better would be hand-shaking-arm to hand-shaking-arm, no weapons
    involved!

    Typical Rees-Mogg outdated attitudes.

    Oh, it was DeeJay! Ah well...

    John

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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk on Thu Oct 28 13:35:25 2021
    In article <59826b9060UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
    John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
    still pass sword arm to sword arm.

    LOL. Never thought of it like that before. :-)

    Much better would be hand-shaking-arm to hand-shaking-arm, no weapons involved!

    Surely these days it is Elbow nudging to Elbow nudging ? :)

    Anyway the sword-arm version is generally considered to be the origin of driving on the left.

    --
    Stuart Winsor

    Tools With A Mission
    sending tools across the world
    http://www.twam.co.uk/

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  • From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to Stuart on Thu Oct 28 13:39:50 2021
    In article <59827d333bSpambin@argonet.co.uk>,
    Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <59826b9060UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
    John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
    still pass sword arm to sword arm.

    LOL. Never thought of it like that before. :-)

    Much better would be hand-shaking-arm to hand-shaking-arm, no weapons involved!

    Surely these days it is Elbow nudging to Elbow nudging ? :)

    Anyway the sword-arm version is generally considered to be the origin of driving on the left.

    Ah! Perhaps it's different for cross-bows & guns. Technology moves on ;-)

    --
    Chris Newman

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  • From Dave Plowman (News)@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Thu Oct 28 15:51:29 2021
    In article <59820f6927bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    There is no serious suggestion that we abandon metric in favour of a
    previous measurement structure. However, if a business thinks that
    their customers would like to purchase by the yard, pint, ounce or
    whatever there is no intention or need to prevent them doing so.

    Quite. Most businesses will be happy to confuse their customers in any way
    they can to prevent easy comparison on prices. Think energy prices with a
    cost per unit + daily standing charge. And so on.

    --
    *Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.*

    Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
    To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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  • From Dave Plowman (News)@21:1/5 to druck on Thu Oct 28 15:59:03 2021
    In article <sldm32$eqt$2@dont-email.me>,
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
    On 27/10/2021 22:51, Chris Newman wrote:
    There are still those about who refer to the metric system as
    Napoleon's Revenge although it was devised before he came on the scene.

    That and driving on the wrong side of the road.

    Luckily the sensible parts of the world still pass sword arm to sword
    arm.

    But not on London Transport. ;-)

    --
    *Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy.

    Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
    To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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  • From Nick Roberts@21:1/5 to David Higton on Thu Oct 28 17:39:40 2021
    In message <4ca11f8259.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    In message <59821ac594Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
    Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <5981feaf9bcharles@candehope.me.uk>,
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
    In article <c10ffb8159.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <ap.fcda165981.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>
    <info@riscosbits.co.uk> allowed someone to write:

    Measuring 12.1in x 8.2in x 0.5in and weighing significantly
    less than three pounds

    Good grief. Don't you give measurements in the metric system?

    David

    It's a British Computer - perhaps endorsed by a certain Rees-Mog?

    I guess the majority of us RO users are entirely familiar with the
    imperial system and many still use it!

    Hmm. I abandoned the Imperial system somewhere around 1975, IIRC.

    Years earlier, I had grown up with Imperial, then learned the CGS and
    MKS systems (as they were called at the time) at school. It was
    abundantly clear by them that metric (in whichever set of units) was
    easier and clearer, so, as an adult, I made the switch completely.

    One oddity - I have no problem with measuring (route) distances in Km
    rather than miles, but I still think in terms of miles per hour for
    speeds. Despite going decimal, the UK never changed road speed signage
    or speedometers to KPH.

    --
    Nick Roberts tigger @ orpheusinternet.co.uk

    Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which
    can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to Nick Roberts on Thu Oct 28 18:22:12 2021
    In article <be8f938259.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
    Nick Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    Despite going decimal, the UK never changed road speed signage
    or speedometers to KPH.

    And I hope it stays that way!

    --
    Stuart Winsor

    Tools With A Mission
    sending tools across the world
    http://www.twam.co.uk/

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  • From druck@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Thu Oct 28 21:12:23 2021
    On 28/10/2021 13:39, Chris Newman wrote:
    In article <59827d333bSpambin@argonet.co.uk>,
    Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
    Anyway the sword-arm version is generally considered to be the origin of
    driving on the left.

    Ah! Perhaps it's different for cross-bows & guns. Technology moves on ;-)

    You might want to give it a moments thought.

    ---druck

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to Stuart on Thu Oct 28 21:16:22 2021
    In message <59829774e6Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
    Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <be8f938259.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
    Nick Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    Despite going decimal, the UK never changed road speed signage or speedometers to KPH.

    And I hope it stays that way!

    And I'd like it to change to km/kph.

    But I don't expect it to happen in the near future, because of the mass
    stupity that is Brexit.

    David

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to David Higton on Fri Oct 29 08:27:50 2021
    In article <9b66a78259.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <59829774e6Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
    Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <be8f938259.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
    Nick Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    Despite going decimal, the UK never changed road speed signage or speedometers to KPH.

    And I hope it stays that way!

    And I'd like it to change to km/kph.

    But I don't expect it to happen in the near future, because of the
    mass stupity that is Brexit.

    That's me stupid and unrepentant. Thanks for that.

    Bob.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to dave@davenoise.co.uk on Fri Oct 29 08:19:13 2021
    In article <598289a866dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
    Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <59820f6927bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    There is no serious suggestion that we abandon metric in favour
    of a previous measurement structure. However, if a business
    thinks that their customers would like to purchase by the yard,
    pint, ounce or whatever there is no intention or need to prevent
    them doing so.

    Quite. Most businesses will be happy to confuse their customers in
    any way they can to prevent easy comparison on prices. Think energy
    prices with a cost per unit + daily standing charge. And so on.

    Spin. Paint it black at all cost.

    Bob.

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  • From Dave@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Fri Oct 29 08:55:19 2021
    In article <5982e45b32bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <59826b9060UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
    John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

    Typical Rees-Mogg outdated attitudes.

    Well I rather like the man. He has some principles I admire and
    listening to him speak is a pleasure for me. Sorry to be so outdated
    and out of touch but I'm sure I'm not alone.

    Bob.

    Indeed, I agree with the sentiment...

    But unfortunately he has a rather noticeable flaw, he needed to either
    have a vasectomy or purchase more rubber ware in the past... :-/

    Dave

    Part of saving The Naked Ape, and saving the planet, have fewer children.

    D.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk on Fri Oct 29 08:22:09 2021
    In article <59826b9060UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
    John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

    Typical Rees-Mogg outdated attitudes.

    Well I rather like the man. He has some principles I admire and
    listening to him speak is a pleasure for me. Sorry to be so outdated
    and out of touch but I'm sure I'm not alone.


    Bob.

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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Fri Oct 29 09:48:44 2021
    In article <5982e4e021bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <9b66a78259.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <59829774e6Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
    Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <be8f938259.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
    Nick Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    Despite going decimal, the UK never changed road speed signage or speedometers to KPH.

    And I hope it stays that way!

    And I'd like it to change to km/kph.

    But I don't expect it to happen in the near future, because of the
    mass stupity that is Brexit.

    That's me stupid and unrepentant. Thanks for that.

    And you're not alone.

    --
    Stuart Winsor

    Tools With A Mission
    sending tools across the world
    http://www.twam.co.uk/

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  • From Tim Hill@21:1/5 to dave@davenoise.co.uk on Fri Oct 29 13:59:02 2021
    In article <59828a59b7dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <sldm32$eqt$2@dont-email.me>, druck <news@druck.org.uk>
    wrote:
    On 27/10/2021 22:51, Chris Newman wrote:
    There are still those about who refer to the metric system as
    Napoleon's Revenge although it was devised before he came on the
    scene.

    That and driving on the wrong side of the road.

    Luckily the sensible parts of the world still pass sword arm to sword
    arm.

    But not on London Transport. ;-)

    You keep right on TFL escalators and stairs so that 90% of the population
    can hold the handrail with their dominant hand.

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  • From Alan Calder BT@21:1/5 to Russell Hafter News on Sat Oct 30 12:11:45 2021
    In article <59837a07afsee.sig@russellhafter.me.invalid>,
    Russell Hafter News <see.sig@russellhafter.me.invalid> wrote:
    In article <59829774e6Spambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
    <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

    In article
    <be8f938259.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>, Nick
    Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    Despite going decimal, the UK never changed road speed
    signage or speedometers to KPH.

    Every car I have had since 1979 at least has had an anologue
    speedometer in both miles and km per hour. An essential
    piece of equipment for those of us who drive in other
    countries.

    Must be much harder for those from elsewhere whose
    speedometers are in km/hr only.

    And I hope it stays that way!

    Why? What is the advantage to using units of measurement
    that 90% of the world do not understand?

    Intriguingly, given the recent Brexiteer trumpetings about trade deals with
    New Zealand and Australia (deals only marginally worse than those done with
    the EU), both these nations use solely metric road measurements and
    displays. Motor vehicles sold new in Australia must have K/ph speedometer markings - not sure of the situation in NZ but I imagine its the same.
    Both countries continue driving on the left though that can be a bit of a variable matter in outback areas in Australia, New Zealanders tend to be
    better behaved in my experience.

    Alan

    --
    Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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  • From Russell Hafter News@21:1/5 to Spambin@argonet.co.uk on Sat Oct 30 11:37:00 2021
    In article <59829774e6Spambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
    <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

    In article
    <be8f938259.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>, Nick
    Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    Despite going decimal, the UK never changed road speed
    signage or speedometers to KPH.

    Every car I have had since 1979 at least has had an anologue
    speedometer in both miles and km per hour. An essential
    piece of equipment for those of us who drive in other
    countries.

    Must be much harder for those from elsewhere whose
    speedometers are in km/hr only.

    And I hope it stays that way!

    Why? What is the advantage to using units of measurement
    that 90% of the world do not understand?

    --
    Russell
    Russell Hafter
    E-mail to russell at russellhafter dot me dot uk
    Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103> Friendly web hosting <https://www.xencentrichosting.uk/billing/aff.php?aff=7>

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  • From Matthew Phillips@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 30 16:06:56 2021
    In message <59830332e4tim@invalid.org.uk>
    on 29 Oct 2021 Tim Hill wrote:

    You keep right on TFL escalators and stairs so that 90% of the population
    can hold the handrail with their dominant hand.

    If the escalator had been invented ten years ago, we'd be keeping left so
    that 90% of the population could hold the handrail while using their phone
    with their dominant hand.

    --
    Matthew Phillips
    Durham

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  • From Dave@21:1/5 to Matthew Phillips on Sat Oct 30 16:51:44 2021
    In article <a1be928359.Matthew@sinenomine.co.uk>,
    Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <59830332e4tim@invalid.org.uk>
    on 29 Oct 2021 Tim Hill wrote:

    You keep right on TFL escalators and stairs so that 90% of the
    population can hold the handrail with their dominant hand.

    If the escalator had been invented ten years ago, we'd be keeping left
    so that 90% of the population could hold the handrail while using their
    phone with their dominant hand.

    Oh, Oh! just luvit, so appropriate, it brought a smile to my face and a
    tear of joy to my eye, and believe it or not, though it's true, my left
    eye.

    Excellent...

    Dave

    --

    Dave Triffid

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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to Matthew Phillips on Sat Oct 30 17:42:21 2021
    In article <a1be928359.Matthew@sinenomine.co.uk>,
    Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <59830332e4tim@invalid.org.uk>
    on 29 Oct 2021 Tim Hill wrote:

    You keep right on TFL escalators and stairs so that 90% of the
    population can hold the handrail with their dominant hand.

    If the escalator had been invented ten years ago, we'd be keeping left
    so that 90% of the population could hold the handrail while using their
    phone with their dominant hand.

    ROTFL

    I nearly fell off my chair.

    --
    Stuart Winsor

    Tools With A Mission
    sending tools across the world
    http://www.twam.co.uk/

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  • From Dave Plowman (News)@21:1/5 to Tim Hill on Sun Oct 31 11:28:24 2021
    In article <59830332e4tim@invalid.org.uk>,
    Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
    In article <59828a59b7dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <sldm32$eqt$2@dont-email.me>, druck <news@druck.org.uk>
    wrote:
    On 27/10/2021 22:51, Chris Newman wrote:
    There are still those about who refer to the metric system as Napoleon's Revenge although it was devised before he came on the
    scene.

    That and driving on the wrong side of the road.

    Luckily the sensible parts of the world still pass sword arm to sword arm.

    But not on London Transport. ;-)

    You keep right on TFL escalators and stairs so that 90% of the population
    can hold the handrail with their dominant hand.

    I've heard this one before. But in your home, most staircases have only a
    rail on one side. Escalators have them both sides. Stairs on stations etc either one way, or a rail in the middle. And how does the city gent
    carrying a briefcase decide? ;-)

    --
    *There's two theories to arguing with a woman. Neither one works *

    Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
    To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to dave@davenoise.co.uk on Sun Oct 31 12:16:17 2021
    In article <59840292b7dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <59830332e4tim@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
    wrote:
    In article <59828a59b7dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <sldm32$eqt$2@dont-email.me>, druck <news@druck.org.uk>
    wrote:
    On 27/10/2021 22:51, Chris Newman wrote:
    There are still those about who refer to the metric system as Napoleon's Revenge although it was devised before he came on the scene.

    That and driving on the wrong side of the road.

    Luckily the sensible parts of the world still pass sword arm to
    sword arm.

    But not on London Transport. ;-)

    You keep right on TFL escalators and stairs so that 90% of the
    population can hold the handrail with their dominant hand.

    I've heard this one before. But in your home, most staircases have only a rail on one side. Escalators have them both sides. Stairs on stations etc either one way, or a rail in the middle. And how does the city gent
    carrying a briefcase decide? ;-)

    you don't need to be a city gent to carry a briefcase. Mine held lunchtime sandwiches and a library book to read on the train.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Russell Hafter News@21:1/5 to Alan Calder BT on Mon Nov 1 12:36:13 2021
    In article <59837d367balancalder.8@btinternet.com>,
    Alan Calder BT <alancalder.8@btinternet.com> wrote:

    Why? What is the advantage to using units of measurement
    that 90% of the world do not understand?

    Intriguingly, given the recent Brexiteer trumpetings about
    trade deals with New Zealand and Australia (deals only
    marginally worse than those done with the EU), both these
    nations use solely metric road measurements and displays.

    Ireland too has km distance signs.

    Last time I drove across the border from Derry to Donegal
    the only clue that I had done so was the numeric increase in
    distances.

    Motor vehicles sold new in Australia must have K/ph
    speedometer markings - not sure of the situation in NZ but
    I imagine its the same. Both countries continue driving on
    the left though that can be a bit of a variable matter in
    outback areas in Australia,

    Same here in parts of Cumbria. As so many of the roads are
    barely wide enough for one car, some of the locals seem to
    think that when they get onto a main road with a white line
    down the middle, they are supposed to straddle that line
    with their car.
    :-)

    --
    Russell
    Russell Hafter
    E-mail to russell at russellhafter dot me dot uk
    Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103> Friendly web hosting <https://www.xencentrichosting.uk/billing/aff.php?aff=7>

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  • From Tim Hill@21:1/5 to charles@candehope.me.uk on Mon Nov 1 12:42:17 2021
    In article <598406f4c7charles@candehope.me.uk>, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
    In article <59840292b7dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <59830332e4tim@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
    <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

    [Snip]

    You keep right on TFL escalators and stairs so that 90% of the
    population can hold the handrail with their dominant hand.

    I've heard this one before. But in your home, most staircases have
    only a rail on one side. Escalators have them both sides. Stairs on stations etc either one way, or a rail in the middle. And how does
    the city gent carrying a briefcase decide? ;-)

    you don't need to be a city gent to carry a briefcase. Mine held
    lunchtime sandwiches and a library book to read on the train.

    There has been a experiment which proved that more passengers can be
    carried if they do away with 'stand on the right' and stop people using
    the left lane as an express lane.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/16/the-tube-at-a-standstill-why-tfl-stopped-people-walking-up-the-escalators

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  • From Tim Hill@21:1/5 to News on Mon Nov 1 12:35:36 2021
    In article <5984871fe6see.sig@russellhafter.me.invalid>, Russell Hafter
    News <see.sig@russellhafter.me.invalid> wrote:

    [Snip]

    Same here in parts of Cumbria. As so many of the roads are barely wide
    enough for one car, some of the locals seem to think that when they get
    onto a main road with a white line down the middle, they are supposed
    to straddle that line with their car.
    :-)

    That's 100% legal so long as the white line isn't solid and you move over
    to pass oncoming traffic on the left. The minor roads with lines here are
    often better navigated on the crown of the road thanks to the crumbling
    of road margins.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to rickman@argonet.co.uk on Sat Nov 13 18:58:50 2021
    In article <f959db8a59.John@rickman.argonet..co.uk>, John Rickman <rickman@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <be8f938259.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk> Nick Roberts
    <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    One oddity - I have no problem with measuring (route) distances in Km rather than miles, but I still think in terms of miles per hour for
    speeds. Despite going decimal, the UK never changed road speed signage
    or speedometers to KPH.

    The only problem with kilometres is the way the word is usually
    pronounced now-a-days. I can understand Americans saying killom-eter,
    but a kilo-metre is not an odometer, a tachometer, speedometer,
    milometer, nor any other instrument for measuring things.

    As an aside the allotment plots in Gaydon village are measured in
    fractions of an acre using rods.

    I went round RAF Gaydon fro scholl in the mid 1950s.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to John Rickman on Sat Nov 13 20:50:35 2021
    In article <5ddae28a59.John@rickman.argonet..co.uk>,
    John Rickman <rickman@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <598addada9charles@candehope.me.uk>
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <f959db8a59.John@rickman.argonet..co.uk>, John Rickman <rickman@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <be8f938259.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk> Nick Roberts
    <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    One oddity - I have no problem with measuring (route) distances in Km
    rather than miles, but I still think in terms of miles per hour for
    speeds. Despite going decimal, the UK never changed road speed signage >>> or speedometers to KPH.

    The only problem with kilometres is the way the word is usually
    pronounced now-a-days. I can understand Americans saying killom-eter,
    but a kilo-metre is not an odometer, a tachometer, speedometer,
    milometer, nor any other instrument for measuring things.

    As an aside the allotment plots in Gaydon village are measured in
    fractions of an acre using rods.

    I went round RAF Gaydon fro scholl in the mid 1950s.

    You may have seen these then
    http://www.gaydon.org.uk/photos/oldpix/raf.jpg

    John
    Not in that quantity, but we went inside one and into a Vulcan flight
    simulator

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to charles on Sun Nov 14 12:08:29 2021
    In article <598ae7e8ebcharles@candehope.me.uk>,
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
    In article <5ddae28a59.John@rickman.argonet..co.uk>,
    John Rickman <rickman@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <598addada9charles@candehope.me.uk>
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <f959db8a59.John@rickman.argonet..co.uk>, John Rickman <rickman@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <be8f938259.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk> Nick Roberts >> <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    One oddity - I have no problem with measuring (route) distances in Km >>> rather than miles, but I still think in terms of miles per hour for
    speeds. Despite going decimal, the UK never changed road speed signage >>> or speedometers to KPH.

    The only problem with kilometres is the way the word is usually
    pronounced now-a-days. I can understand Americans saying killom-eter,
    but a kilo-metre is not an odometer, a tachometer, speedometer,
    milometer, nor any other instrument for measuring things.

    As an aside the allotment plots in Gaydon village are measured in
    fractions of an acre using rods.

    I went round RAF Gaydon fro scholl in the mid 1950s.

    You may have seen these then
    http://www.gaydon.org.uk/photos/oldpix/raf.jpg

    John
    Not in that quantity, but we went inside one and into a Vulcan flight simulator

    I have vague memories of my father (ex RAF) taking me somewhere
    probably Gaydon where we watched a V bomber scramble. As I say vague.
    I would have been very young at the time and I would guess early 60s.
    My memory says all 3 V bombers took part including my then favourite
    the 'Victor' with its ink pen nose.

    Bob.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to bob@sick-of-spam.invalid on Sun Nov 14 13:56:46 2021
    In article <598b3bf17bbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <598ae7e8ebcharles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
    <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
    In article <5ddae28a59.John@rickman.argonet..co.uk>, John Rickman
    <rickman@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <598addada9charles@candehope.me.uk> charles
    <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <f959db8a59.John@rickman.argonet..co.uk>, John Rickman <rickman@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <be8f938259.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk> Nick
    Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

    One oddity - I have no problem with measuring (route) distances
    in Km rather than miles, but I still think in terms of miles per
    hour for speeds. Despite going decimal, the UK never changed road
    speed signage or speedometers to KPH.

    The only problem with kilometres is the way the word is usually
    pronounced now-a-days. I can understand Americans saying
    killom-eter, but a kilo-metre is not an odometer, a tachometer,
    speedometer, milometer, nor any other instrument for measuring
    things.

    As an aside the allotment plots in Gaydon village are measured in
    fractions of an acre using rods.

    I went round RAF Gaydon fro scholl in the mid 1950s.

    You may have seen these then
    http://www.gaydon.org.uk/photos/oldpix/raf.jpg

    John
    Not in that quantity, but we went inside one and into a Vulcan flight simulator

    I have vague memories of my father (ex RAF) taking me somewhere probably Gaydon where we watched a V bomber scramble. As I say vague. I would have been very young at the time and I would guess early 60s. My memory says
    all 3 V bombers took part including my then favourite the 'Victor' with
    its ink pen nose.

    Bob.

    RAF Gaydon was a training base, where pilots (in particular) converted from propellor driven machines to jets, It was not a Bomber base.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sun Nov 14 15:57:23 2021
    In article <598b4ea855bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <598b45db2bcharles@candehope.me.uk>,
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    RAF Gaydon was a training base, where pilots (in particular)
    converted from propellor driven machines to jets, It was not a
    Bomber base.

    So if I didn't see the scramble there, where might I have been?

    most of the operational airfields weer on the eastern side of the country

    It was a day out, so not too far from the midlands I wouldn't have
    thought.

    I think it was battle of Britain day does that make sense?

    Anything might have happened then,

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to charles on Sun Nov 14 15:32:52 2021
    In article <598b45db2bcharles@candehope.me.uk>,
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    RAF Gaydon was a training base, where pilots (in particular)
    converted from propellor driven machines to jets, It was not a
    Bomber base.

    So if I didn't see the scramble there, where might I have been?

    It was a day out, so not too far from the midlands I wouldn't have
    thought.

    I think it was battle of Britain day does that make sense?


    Bob.

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sun Nov 14 17:44:57 2021
    In message <598b4ea855bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <598b45db2bcharles@candehope.me.uk>,
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    RAF Gaydon was a training base, where pilots (in particular) converted
    from propellor driven machines to jets, It was not a Bomber base.

    So if I didn't see the scramble there, where might I have been?

    It was a day out, so not too far from the midlands I wouldn't have thought.

    I think it was battle of Britain day does that make sense?

    Yes. I remember going to several of those in my childhood. I also
    remember Vulcans scrambling - one of the showpieces of each BoB day.

    In my case it was probably RAF Finningley and RAF Scampton.

    Imagine the security implications of thousands of members of the public
    on an operational RAF base today!

    David

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to David Higton on Sun Nov 14 17:59:39 2021
    In article <c4bf5a8b59.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <598b4ea855bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <598b45db2bcharles@candehope.me.uk>,
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    RAF Gaydon was a training base, where pilots (in particular)
    converted from propellor driven machines to jets, It was not a
    Bomber base.

    So if I didn't see the scramble there, where might I have been?

    It was a day out, so not too far from the midlands I wouldn't
    have thought.

    I think it was battle of Britain day does that make sense?

    Yes. I remember going to several of those in my childhood. I also
    remember Vulcans scrambling - one of the showpieces of each BoB day.

    In my case it was probably RAF Finningley and RAF Scampton.

    Imagine the security implications of thousands of members of the
    public on an operational RAF base today!

    Thanks for that.

    It's hard to remember it was so long ago. I remember we had to travel
    further than we usually did each year to see the v bombers scramble.
    I have it in my head that the journey was south from our home in west
    mid.

    I call sitting on my father's shoulders and seeing flares go up I
    think, followed by men running to the Bombers. Later seeing them rush
    by on the runway and then up into the sky. Awesome, tremendous.

    I'm pretty sure the scramble I saw had one of each of the v bombers.

    Bob.

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  • From Nick Roberts@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Tue Nov 16 17:00:36 2021
    In message <598b3bf17bbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    I have vague memories of my father (ex RAF) taking me somewhere
    probably Gaydon where we watched a V bomber scramble. As I say vague.
    I would have been very young at the time and I would guess early 60s.
    My memory says all 3 V bombers took part including my then favourite
    the 'Victor' with its ink pen nose.

    Not quite so long, but still last century, I went to the air show at Farnborough. One of the more impressive demos was a Vulcan doing a low
    level fly by. Anyone who had a active db metre probably had to replace
    it - I'm not sure the're designed to handle that much noise 8-)

    --
    Nick Roberts tigger @ orpheusinternet.co.uk

    Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which
    can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Nick Roberts on Tue Nov 16 17:28:04 2021
    In article <7b5c5e8c59.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
    Nick Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <598b3bf17bbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    I have vague memories of my father (ex RAF) taking me somewhere
    probably Gaydon where we watched a V bomber scramble. As I say vague.
    I would have been very young at the time and I would guess early 60s.
    My memory says all 3 V bombers took part including my then favourite
    the 'Victor' with its ink pen nose.

    Not quite so long, but still last century, I went to the air show at Farnborough. One of the more impressive demos was a Vulcan doing a low
    level fly by. Anyone who had a active db metre probably had to replace
    it - I'm not sure the're designed to handle that much noise 8-)

    The only year I went to the Farnborough Air Show, the RAF aerobatic team
    were flying Lightnings. They took off vertically togther just about level
    with our viewpoint. A bit more noise from 18 (or possibly 24) Avons on
    reheat than from 4 Olympus

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Tim Hill@21:1/5 to tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk on Wed Nov 17 13:39:17 2021
    In article <7b5c5e8c59.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>, Nick Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <598b3bf17bbob@sick-of-spam.invalid> Bob Latham
    <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    I have vague memories of my father (ex RAF) taking me somewhere
    probably Gaydon where we watched a V bomber scramble. As I say vague.
    I would have been very young at the time and I would guess early 60s.
    My memory says all 3 V bombers took part including my then favourite
    the 'Victor' with its ink pen nose.

    Not quite so long, but still last century, I went to the air show at Farnborough. One of the more impressive demos was a Vulcan doing a low
    level fly by. Anyone who had a active db metre probably had to replace
    it - I'm not sure the're designed to handle that much noise 8-)

    There doesn't seem to have been a Vulcan bomber at the 1970s Farnborough
    show I had transferred from Super8 to digital. Chinooks, Harriers, SkyVAN
    and The Red Arrows are there though. https://youtu.be/_Sp-keOM31Q

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Tim Hill on Wed Nov 17 14:49:07 2021
    In article <598ccfc450tim@invalid.org.uk>,
    Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
    In article <7b5c5e8c59.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>, Nick Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <598b3bf17bbob@sick-of-spam.invalid> Bob Latham
    <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    I have vague memories of my father (ex RAF) taking me somewhere
    probably Gaydon where we watched a V bomber scramble. As I say vague.
    I would have been very young at the time and I would guess early 60s.
    My memory says all 3 V bombers took part including my then favourite
    the 'Victor' with its ink pen nose.

    Not quite so long, but still last century, I went to the air show at Farnborough. One of the more impressive demos was a Vulcan doing a low level fly by. Anyone who had a active db metre probably had to replace
    it - I'm not sure the're designed to handle that much noise 8-)

    There doesn't seem to have been a Vulcan bomber at the 1970s Farnborough
    show I had transferred from Super8 to digital. Chinooks, Harriers, SkyVAN
    and The Red Arrows are there though. https://youtu.be/_Sp-keOM31Q

    probaby in 1977, I has a Vulcan pass overhead at a very low altitude. it
    had just banked to avoid hitting a red/white Decca Navigator mast. Scary.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Steve Drain@21:1/5 to charles on Thu Nov 18 11:42:48 2021
    On 17/11/2021 14:49, charles wrote:
    In article <598ccfc450tim@invalid.org.uk>,
    Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
    In article <7b5c5e8c59.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>, Nick Roberts
    <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <598b3bf17bbob@sick-of-spam.invalid> Bob Latham
    <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    I have vague memories of my father (ex RAF) taking me somewhere
    probably Gaydon where we watched a V bomber scramble. As I say vague.
    I would have been very young at the time and I would guess early 60s.
    My memory says all 3 V bombers took part including my then favourite
    the 'Victor' with its ink pen nose.

    Not quite so long, but still last century, I went to the air show at
    Farnborough. One of the more impressive demos was a Vulcan doing a low
    level fly by. Anyone who had a active db metre probably had to replace
    it - I'm not sure the're designed to handle that much noise 8-)

    There doesn't seem to have been a Vulcan bomber at the 1970s Farnborough
    show I had transferred from Super8 to digital. Chinooks, Harriers, SkyVAN
    and The Red Arrows are there though. https://youtu.be/_Sp-keOM31Q

    probaby in 1977, I has a Vulcan pass overhead at a very low altitude. it
    had just banked to avoid hitting a red/white Decca Navigator mast. Scary.

    Just to play one-up, I saw a Vulcan with a Concorde engine strapped to
    its belly at Farnborough in probably 1966. Now that _was_ noisy. ;-)

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 18 12:29:48 2021
    In article <sn5e82$138n$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Steve Drain <steve@kappa.me.uk> wrote:
    On 17/11/2021 14:49, charles wrote:
    In article <598ccfc450tim@invalid.org.uk>, Tim Hill
    <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
    In article <7b5c5e8c59.tigger@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk>, Nick
    Roberts <tigger@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <598b3bf17bbob@sick-of-spam.invalid> Bob Latham
    <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    I have vague memories of my father (ex RAF) taking me somewhere
    probably Gaydon where we watched a V bomber scramble. As I say
    vague. I would have been very young at the time and I would guess
    early 60s. My memory says all 3 V bombers took part including my
    then favourite the 'Victor' with its ink pen nose.

    Not quite so long, but still last century, I went to the air show at
    Farnborough. One of the more impressive demos was a Vulcan doing a
    low level fly by. Anyone who had a active db metre probably had to
    replace it - I'm not sure the're designed to handle that much noise
    8-)

    There doesn't seem to have been a Vulcan bomber at the 1970s
    Farnborough show I had transferred from Super8 to digital. Chinooks,
    Harriers, SkyVAN and The Red Arrows are there though.
    https://youtu.be/_Sp-keOM31Q

    probaby in 1977, I has a Vulcan pass overhead at a very low altitude.
    it had just banked to avoid hitting a red/white Decca Navigator mast. Scary.

    Just to play one-up, I saw a Vulcan with a Concorde engine strapped to
    its belly at Farnborough in probably 1966. Now that _was_ noisy. ;-)

    and, before that, there was the Lancaster with a Vulcan engine underneath.
    Seen from School, There wasa n EE test airfield a short distance away

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From John@21:1/5 to steve@kappa.me.uk on Thu Nov 18 13:39:07 2021
    In article <sn5e82$138n$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Steve Drain
    <steve@kappa.me.uk> wrote:

    Just to play one-up, I saw a Vulcan with a Concorde
    engine strapped to its belly at Farnborough in probably
    1966. Now that _was_ noisy. ;-)

    I saw that one too, but at Filton - not Farnborough. And it
    was 1966 when I was just approaching my twentieth.

    It took off after a ridiculously short run and climbed away
    to a thousand feet or so. At about a mile away it turned
    through 180 and returned in a shallow dive. It couldn't
    have had the throttles wide open on all 5 engines or else
    the wings would have come off! However, when it reached the
    runway, at about 50', it *did* open up the throttles.

    I was stood about 100' from the centre-line and, for just a
    few seconds was in that blissful state when all the senses
    are saturated and consumed by the immense physicality of
    the beast.

    Sex? Ha! Just a pale imitation. ;-))

    John

    --
    John
    newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk
    j dot mccartney atte blueyonder dot co dot uk

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